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Other Things => Off Topic => Topic started by: NAiL on June 24, 2011, 08:53 AM
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I should have made this post ages ago but didnt have the motivation. I speak to people almost on a daily basis about these things as I use one and people are curious as to what I am smoking.
I'll try and keep this short and to the point. Do you smoke? Do you want to quit smoking or at least transfer to a FAR, FAR, FAR healthier way of getting your nicotine? The e cig is a god send, it really is a miracle invention and if you are a smoker it will probably be one of the best decisions of your life, this is no overstatement.
What are e cigs? Electric cigarettes are an alternative way of getting your nicotine in a remarkably similar way to traditional cigs. The difference is that e cigs heat up various flavoured "juices" with nicotine in them. Nothing burns, so there is no smoke. This means there is no tar and no carcinogens. This means you do not endanger your health. There are a huge variety of flavours you can buy, from tobacco flavours to coffee, ice cream, chocolate and fruit flavours (im puffing on a beautiful vanilla as I type). The number of different flavours is in the thousands and is ever increasing, thus there is always something new to try and the experience never gets dull. The liquids can be bought in a variety of nicotine strengths to suit your needs, they go right down to 0mg.
But what is this "e cig" like to smoke? It is beautiful to smoke. You get the same raspy harshness and hit at the back of the throat as you do with regular cigarettes, in fact the nicotine hit is even more apparent with the e cig. Its also all that more satisfying exhaling a huge cloud of white "smoke" with the knowledge that it isnt smoke and it isnt full of things that are going to harm you and those around you. The sensation of using an e cig is better than that of a traditional cigarette. Health benefits aside, the e cig is far more enjoyable to smoke and the experience is so much smoother. Even if normal cigs were harmless, I would still choose the e cig as it is so much more pleasant to use.
This is a truly life enhancing product and as an ex smoker I can honestly describe the device as a miracle in literal terms. If you are a smoker and want to stop then this is what you need. Even if you dont want to stop smoking, making the transition from traditional cigarettes to electric ones will probably be the most important decision of your life. Remember it isnt only your own life you play with by smoking, you also put the lives of everyone who cares about you in jeopardy. This thing is BETTER than smoking, you get all the enjoyment of puffing out clouds of smoke and getting your nicotine hit WITHOUT all the bad stuff!
Pros
- Cheaper (Initial investment is substantial, from there on look forward to having a fatter wallet)
- Tastier
- More fun
- Fingers dont stink
- Breath doesnt stink (hey ladies)!
- Room doesnt stink
- Clothes dont stink
- Teeth are not stained
- Breathe better
- Taste Better
- Become stronger
- Fitness level rises
- More energy
- Better skin
- Tar leaves the lungs
- Feel better
- No risk of giving yourself cancer
- No risk of giving those around you cancer
- You dont wake up in the morning with a bucket load of phlegm to cough out in the shower
- Can be used anywhere
- Good talking point
Cons
- The initial investment is quite expensive (although 50 quid for a life saving device doesnt seem that unreasonable to be honest)
- Changing batteries (every morning I replace it with one that has been on charge, you get 2 with the starter kit)
- Gets boring explaining to people what you are smoking
- Honestly cannot think of any more cons
I should talk about my personal experience with the e cig now.
A few months ago DubC told me that he had quit smoking by using them. After a LOT of research I bought one. I havent smoked a normal cig since the day I bought it and I dont want to either! How great is that? HOW FKN GREAT IS THAT?!! Btw thanks again Dub, it is no overstatement to say that you could have very well saved my life!
The best one on the market right now is the Joye Ego. The starter kit costs around £40. Go for this one, no point in buying a cheap one as they are prone to breaking and are not as efficient as this one.
I should say that nobody can conclusively say that these things are 100% safe as the device is relatively new and no long term studies have been carried out (they are in process now). However nothing bad has been found and what we can conclusively say is that these things are a FAR healthier (and more enjoyable) alternative way of getting your nicotine. Nicotine alone is a stimulant, relatively harmless. Its not the nicotine that f***s you up, its all the crap in the smoke and tar that gives you cancer. There is no tar in e cigs because there is no smoke, only vapour, delicious vapour!
I cant really say any more without waffling, I will say this though. If you are a smoker and have read this thread, then you would be MAD to not look into these things. Buy one, if it doesnt work for you I will personally refund you! I can say that because I KNOW that it WILL work for you and you wont look back. It will be one of the best decisions of your life!
Links
- www.vaportalk.com Check these forums out. There is a ton of information on there from people far more clued up than myself.
- www.libertyflights.co.uk This is where I bought my Joye Ego. Its the real deal and it came the very next day. Ive ordered many times from this company to stock up on supplies and almost every order has come the next day. There is also a .com version of this site for people in the USA. There are many other suppliers around the world, check out the vapor talk forums for recommended suppliers.
Right so now its all on you! If you have any questions then ask away and ill do my best to answer! I cannot stress how important this decision will be. I am not talking to you as a wormer right now. Forget this is a post on a worms forum, forget about NAiL, I am talking to you as a person. This will be the the best purchase of your life, do some research for yourself and buy one now! You won't regret it, that I can PROMISE you.
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aw man, recently they made some investigations and found out that e-cig is actually dangerous, at least as dangerous as normal cigarets.. with cancer risks and stuff :(
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I don't smoke but I still want one.
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I don't smoke but I still want one.
I don't smoke and don't wanna xD
Just alco :D
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aw man, recently they made some investigations and found out that e-cig is actually dangerous, at least as dangerous as normal cigarets.. with cancer risks and stuff :(
Watch the last video bro, what you heard is a lie. The fda in America want these things banned, thats a whole other topic I wont go into now. Watch that video for an overview of the fda "investigation" and see what a load of bullshit is is!
As I said we cannot conclusively say that they are 100% safe right now as no long term investigations have yet been carried out. What we can conclusively say, is that there has not been one single death attributed solely to the use of an e cig, ever. We can also conclusively say that there is no tar in an e cig and compared to a normal cigarette the health benefits are unmeasurable.
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if i want to smoke a cigarette without damaging my health, i just suck my trigger finger and it works too !
Pros
- Costs nothing...yea it's for f@#!ing free !
- Tastier (if you have washed your fingers)
- More fun (if you are a girl, little kid or just gay !)
- Nothing stinks ! i repeat nothing stinks !!!
- Teeth are not stained
- Breathe better
- Taste Better (same point as ''Tastier'' above)
- Become stronger - Fitness level rises - More energy - Feel better (if you suck hard and good)
- Better skin
- Tar leaves the lungs
- No risk of giving yourself cancer or those around you
- You dont wake up in the morning with a bucket load of phlegm to cough out in the shower
- Can be used anywhere and everywhere
- Good talking point (in the kindergarten)
Cons
- Gets boring explaining to people what you are smoking
- Honestly cannot think of any more cons except this one... D'x (http://www.arcent.army.mil/media/974434/blue_finger.jpg)
lol sry NAiL just a joke :)
seriously, if this works i have to try that too ! 8)
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But there is not the "addict component" (do we call that "nicotine" in English ?) in the fingers.
(PS: I don't smoke, and I can live without that. But my father does :-X, and he doesn't want to smoke with the electric cigarette - but we have one. Many money lost...)
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Yes. If you want to stop smoking altogether which is probably the best thing to do then dont buy one. I do not consider myself a smoker seeing as I no longer inhale smoke. I do however consider myself to be addicted to nicotine and still feel the need to satisfy my cravings!
I tried to convert my dad to the e cig too. He wasnt having any of it, too old and stubborn lol.
Also I should add some more about my personal experience with the e cig.
Ive had it for about four months now, my health has already improved vastly.
I no longer have a tongue coated in a lair of slime.
My teeth are getting whiter each day.
My breathing is better, I can exercise harder for longer.
My skin has got better, smoking was starting to give me dark patches under my eyes, they are no longer there.
I sleep better.
I taste food better.
I dont cough up a load of snotty green phlegm every 5 minutes, the list goes on...
Am I, and thousands of other e cig converts making all this up? Of course we aren't.
Do your own research and you'll find thousands of people giving the same testimonial as I have. Also look into the fda "investigation", it is bullshit man!
As Ive already said, compared to a normal cigarette there is no comparison.
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I know someone who was smoking 4 cigs/day, and I suggested to try to smoke only 3 a day. He did it. So I suggested 2...
Going very slow like that is a good way to stop.
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mmm, thats nice bro.
4 a day isnt really that much. That point is also kinda irrelevant to this thread. Of course, going cold turkey and stopping with nicotine altogether is obviously the best thing to do. However many people simply cant, or dont want to do this. They enjoy the act of smoking, which is understandable as its a fun thing to do (for many people). This device is the perfect compromise for health conscious smokers (normal people).
+dogbro, these vids shed more light on the false FDA claims:
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...and this was a couple of months ago, the FDA finally gave in and agree to approve and regulate the product:
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aw man, recently they made some investigations and found out that e-cig is actually dangerous, at least as dangerous as normal cigarets.. with cancer risks and stuff :(
Watch the last video bro, what you heard is a lie. The fda in America want these things banned, thats a whole other topic I wont go into now. Watch that video for an overview of the fda "investigation" and see what a load of bullshit is is!
As I said we cannot conclusively say that they are 100% safe right now as no long term investigations have yet been carried out. What we can conclusively say, is that there has not been one single death attributed solely to the use of an e cig, ever. We can also conclusively say that there is no tar in an e cig and compared to a normal cigarette the health benefits are unmeasurable.
Ah yes man you are probably right !!! We can't not trust this f@#!ing World Health Organization anymore.. since they are corrupted and tobacco industry is so huge.. and lobbies got big power :O
anyway.. im smoking so much since im in Kiev.. and even worst when I go to party.. vodka makes me want to smoke more and more XD
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this would really helped me when i stopped to smoke but sadly it wasnt avaible 6 years ago. Anyway e-cig seems a really good way to stop smoking, always wanted to tried it for the fun but now i stopped i dont really want to addicted again to the nicotine héhé. So all the e-cig are with nicotine or is it possible to get one without it.
and indeed 4/cig a day isnt that much, some1 smoking less than 5 cig a day isnt really a smoker and can stop easily
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and indeed 4/cig a day isnt that much, some1 smoking less than 5 cig a day isnt really a smoker and can stop easily
if you smoke your 4 cigs a day, because you are bored or you want to be cool, maybe then it is easy to stop.
but if you smoke 4 cigs to your daily coffee, worms game, tv show, after the sex or cause you are nervous or whatever...
then it isn't so easy anymore.
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yea for sure, we can associate smoking with certain activities or pleasures, but when you smoke 20 cigs a day its squarely a way of life
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sometimes i smoke so much a day but not often and that's why i need these electric cigs >:(:D
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Eletric cigarettes sux for me. Classic cigarette rulez (:
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but if you smoke 4 cigs to your daily coffee, worms game, tv show, after the sex or cause you are nervous or whatever...
then it isn't so easy anymore.
ahaha looks like me >:(
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Eletric cigarettes sux for me. Classic cigarette rulez (:
After I take the time to highlight this very important information for smokers, thats what you choose to say?
That weed f@#!ed your brain hard boy, -1 for you
+ Enjoy degenerating your health when there is a perfectly viable alternative out there that you would enjoy more than traditional cigs, save money on, and improve your health.
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Eletric cigarettes sux for me. Classic cigarette rulez (:
After I take the time to highlight this very important information for smokers, thats what you choose to say?
That weed f@#!ed your brain hard boy, -1 for you
+ Enjoy degenerating your health when there is a perfectly viable alternative out there that you would enjoy more than traditional cigs, save money on, and improve your health.
>>>Thx. I love degenerate my health. I drunk more alcohol smoke cigarettes and weed, no sport etc.f@#! that. Enjoy
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all e-cig are full of nicotine or there is some without ?
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Throsti if you're being sarcastic thats dumb, if you're being serious thats dumber.
If bad news hits you, you'll remember this thread ;)
Rash, the cigarette is re-usable, its the juice you buy for it that contains the nicotine. They are available from very strong right down to a 0 nicotine content.
You said you'd given up smoking though and thats great, I would ignore this thread completely 8 )
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Throsti if you're being sarcastic thats dumb, if you're being serious thats dumber.
If bad news hits you, you'll remember this thread ;)
Rash, the cigarette is re-usable, its the juice you buy for it that contains the nicotine. They are available from very strong right down to a 0 nicotine content.
You said you'd given up smoking though and thats great, I would ignore this thread completely 8 )
>>>I was serious dude. Health?? I don`t care. Phew
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if there is a way to smoke without getting all the shit of the classic cigs and without getting addicted to nicotine i want it héhé.
Even if i stopped 6 years ago i still want sometimes to f@#!ing smoke !
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rash, try fumo de rolo ( google it ).
here is an exeple of a woman who smokes since a kid and still alive. xD
(http://www.rebelo.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080407-2159-zabdalocar2.jpg)
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rofl thx to ur pic i dont want anymore to smoke !!
u forgot to mention that this woman is only 30 years old :D
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nah man shes 137 believe
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After I take the time to highlight this very important information for smokers, thats what you choose to say?
That weed f@#!ed your brain hard boy, -1 for you
+ Enjoy degenerating your health when there is a perfectly viable alternative out there that you would enjoy more than traditional cigs, save money on, and improve your health.
You are out of place Nail, it's good and everything you are showing this to people to try and help them, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choose what they would prefer, and when you are saying "that you would enjoy more" just isn't true, I recently quit smoking, it was easy for me, luckily, for others it's not so easy, I had a shot of M3ntals e-cig thing, and while it does have a sort of nice taste, it doesn't have that "hit" that real cigarettes give.
Without a doubt your option is "healthier", but then again, "healthier" doesn't always mean more enjoyable, please remember some people don't care if they die from smoking, if someone choses to say "e-cigs" suck and they prefer real cigs, don't try and act better than them, if he wants to say that, fair enough, he didn't insult you or direct his comment towards you, he was just stating his opinion and you openly mock him for it, sorry, but that's pretty arrogant.
-1 for you for disrespecting others opinions. (i'll plus 1 you again though lol, cuz I love the way you put your 1st post together xD)
Also i'd like to add to Nails list of pros:
For UK and other countries with a public smoking ban, there is no law against using the e-cig indoors, so you can smoke it freely in a pub without harming others, you might get a few funny looks, but that wouldn't stop me if I was into this e-cig lol.
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After I take the time to highlight this very important information for smokers, thats what you choose to say?
That weed f@#!ed your brain hard boy, -1 for you
+ Enjoy degenerating your health when there is a perfectly viable alternative out there that you would enjoy more than traditional cigs, save money on, and improve your health.
You are out of place Nail, it's good and everything you are showing this to people to try and help them, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choose what they would prefer, and when you are saying "that you would enjoy more" just isn't true, I recently quit smoking, it was easy for me, luckily, for others it's not so easy, I had a shot of M3ntals e-cig thing, and while it does have a sort of nice taste, it doesn't have that "hit" that real cigarettes give.
Without a doubt your option is "healthier", but then again, "healthier" doesn't always mean more enjoyable, please remember some people don't care if they die from smoking, if someone choses to say "e-cigs" suck and they prefer real cigs, don't try and act better than them, if he wants to say that, fair enough, he didn't insult you or direct his comment towards you, he was just stating his opinion and you openly mock him for it, sorry, but that's pretty arrogant.
-1 for you for disrespecting others opinions. (i'll plus 1 you again though lol, cuz I love the way you put your 1st post together xD)
Also i'd like to add to Nails list of pros:
For UK and other countries with a public smoking ban, there is no law against using the e-cig indoors, so you can smoke it freely in a pub without harming others, you might get a few funny looks, but that wouldn't stop me if I was into this e-cig lol.
>>> +1 for you Komo. You`re right (:
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Thanks :)
I wonder if the UK Government will try and intriduce an E-Cig ban across the UK lol.
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I'm still undecided - got a shit one made of cheap chinese plastic and it didnt do anything for me, but seeing the benefits i'm gonna try again with a decent one.
Hopefully you have saved my life NAiL :P
edit: I'm reading on that liberty site some thing about having spare atomisers to hand - what is that about? How long does one last because they're another tenner each. I dunno if they're saying get spares just to get you to buy em or if they burn out regularly or what?
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I should have made this post ages ago but didnt have the motivation. I speak to people almost on a daily basis about these things as I use one and people are curious as to what I am smoking.
I'll try and keep this short and to the point. Do you smoke? Do you want to quit smoking or at least transfer to a FAR, FAR, FAR healthier way of getting your nicotine? The e cig is a god send, it really is a miracle invention and if you are a smoker it will probably be one of the best decisions of your life, this is no overstatement.
What are e cigs? Electric cigarettes are an alternative way of getting your nicotine in a remarkably similar way to traditional cigs. The difference is that e cigs heat up various flavoured "juices" with nicotine in them. Nothing burns, so there is no smoke. This means there is no tar and no carcinogens. This means you do not endanger your health. There are a huge variety of flavours you can buy, from tobacco flavours to coffee, ice cream, chocolate and fruit flavours (im puffing on a beautiful vanilla as I type). The number of different flavours is in the thousands and is ever increasing, thus there is always something new to try and the experience never gets dull. The liquids can be bought in a variety of nicotine strengths to suit your needs, they go right down to 0mg.
But what is this "e cig" like to smoke? It is beautiful to smoke. You get the same raspy harshness and hit at the back of the throat as you do with regular cigarettes, in fact the nicotine hit is even more apparent with the e cig. Its also all that more satisfying exhaling a huge cloud of white "smoke" with the knowledge that it isnt smoke and it isnt full of things that are going to harm you and those around you. The sensation of using an e cig is better than that of a traditional cigarette. Health benefits aside, the e cig is far more enjoyable to smoke and the experience is so much smoother. Even if normal cigs were harmless, I would still choose the e cig as it is so much more pleasant to use.
This is a truly life enhancing product and as an ex smoker I can honestly describe the device as a miracle in literal terms. If you are a smoker and want to stop then this is what you need. Even if you dont want to stop smoking, making the transition from traditional cigarettes to electric ones will probably be the most important decision of your life. Remember it isnt only your own life you play with by smoking, you also put the lives of everyone who cares about you in jeopardy. This thing is BETTER than smoking, you get all the enjoyment of puffing out clouds of smoke and getting your nicotine hit WITHOUT all the bad stuff!
Pros
- Cheaper (Initial investment is substantial, from there on look forward to having a fatter wallet)
- Tastier
- More fun
- Fingers dont stink
- Breath doesnt stink (hey ladies)!
- Room doesnt stink
- Clothes dont stink
- Teeth are not stained
- Breathe better
- Taste Better
- Become stronger
- Fitness level rises
- More energy
- Better skin
- Tar leaves the lungs
- Feel better
- No risk of giving yourself cancer
- No risk of giving those around you cancer
- You dont wake up in the morning with a bucket load of phlegm to cough out in the shower
- Can be used anywhere
- Good talking point
Cons
- The initial investment is quite expensive (although 50 quid for a life saving device doesnt seem that unreasonable to be honest)
- Changing batteries (every morning I replace it with one that has been on charge, you get 2 with the starter kit)
- Gets boring explaining to people what you are smoking
- Honestly cannot think of any more cons
I should talk about my personal experience with the e cig now.
A few months ago DubC told me that he had quit smoking by using them. After a LOT of research I bought one. I havent smoked a normal cig since the day I bought it and I dont want to either! How great is that? HOW FKN GREAT IS THAT?!! Btw thanks again Dub, it is no overstatement to say that you could have very well saved my life!
The best one on the market right now is the Joye Ego. The starter kit costs around £40. Go for this one, no point in buying a cheap one as they are prone to breaking and are not as efficient as this one.
I should say that nobody can conclusively say that these things are 100% safe as the device is relatively new and no long term studies have been carried out (they are in process now). However nothing bad has been found and what we can conclusively say is that these things are a FAR healthier (and more enjoyable) alternative way of getting your nicotine. Nicotine alone is a stimulant, relatively harmless. Its not the nicotine that f***s you up, its all the crap in the smoke and tar that gives you cancer. There is no tar in e cigs because there is no smoke, only vapour, delicious vapour!
I cant really say any more without waffling, I will say this though. If you are a smoker and have read this thread, then you would be MAD to not look into these things. Buy one, if it doesnt work for you I will personally refund you! I can say that because I KNOW that it WILL work for you and you wont look back. It will be one of the best decisions of your life!
Links
- www.vaportalk.com Check these forums out. There is a ton of information on there from people far more clued up than myself.
- www.libertyflights.co.uk This is where I bought my Joye Ego. Its the real deal and it came the very next day. Ive ordered many times from this company to stock up on supplies and almost every order has come the next day. There is also a .com version of this site for people in the USA. There are many other suppliers around the world, check out the vapor talk forums for recommended suppliers.
Right so now its all on you! If you have any questions then ask away and ill do my best to answer! I cannot stress how important this decision will be. I am not talking to you as a wormer right now. Forget this is a post on a worms forum, forget about NAiL, I am talking to you as a person. This will be the the best purchase of your life, do some research for yourself and buy one now! You won't regret it, that I can PROMISE you.
You're welcome. Glad I helped you out.
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I'm still undecided - got a shit one made of cheap chinese plastic and it didnt do anything for me, but seeing the benefits i'm gonna try again with a decent one.
Hopefully you have saved my life NAiL :P
edit: I'm reading on that liberty site some thing about having spare atomisers to hand - what is that about? How long does one last because they're another tenner each. I dunno if they're saying get spares just to get you to buy em or if they burn out regularly or what?
There is a night and day difference between a shitty e-cig and a good one. Get the joy ego! Get a spare lr (low res) atomizer.
Vaportalk.com
Just read and learn man.
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Yea mate looks good - I've been reading some things on vaportalk tho, is there any reason you chose the Joye Ego over the Riva 510? As far as I can tell they are basically the same device but the Riva is 30% cheaper and actually has better battery life.
NAiL you said you did a lot of research is there a reason you chose the ego over the riva?
Also the Riva comes with blank carts. I could honestly do with this now I am f@#!ed walking up stairs or walking anywhere from shit lungs.
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aye madogg
Its quite confusing because I think there are only one or two companies that sell these things but they are branded under different names. The Joy ego is considered to be slightly better quality than the Riva 510. The battery is more rubbery and feels more tactile. Its worth the few extra pounds seeing as this should hopefully be a long term investment! There are also modifications you can buy for the ego like a tank system and a bigger battery.
You are out of place Nail, it's good and everything you are showing this to people to try and help them, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choose what they would prefer, and when you are saying "that you would enjoy more" just isn't true, I recently quit smoking, it was easy for me, luckily, for others it's not so easy, I had a shot of M3ntals e-cig thing, and while it does have a sort of nice taste, it doesn't have that "hit" that real cigarettes give.
Without a doubt your option is "healthier", but then again, "healthier" doesn't always mean more enjoyable, please remember some people don't care if they die from smoking, if someone choses to say "e-cigs" suck and they prefer real cigs, don't try and act better than them, if he wants to say that, fair enough, he didn't insult you or direct his comment towards you, he was just stating his opinion and you openly mock him for it, sorry, but that's pretty arrogant.
-1 for you for disrespecting others opinions.
I dont have a problem with people having an opinion. The thing is, "e cigs sux, real cigs rule" doesnt add anything to this conversation. Throsti didnt explain why he felt the way he did and when you can see ive put some time and thought into the first post, with information that could potentially be life enhancing, its just rude to write a dumb statement like that. Its also isnt true, a device that has enabled thousands of people to stop inhaling smoke obviously doesnt suck...
It is true that for some people this simply wont work. There is no way for an e cig to truly replicate the sensation of burning tobacco (yet), or the ritual of rolling your own cigarette. Even though you can read many times about people who used to be cigarette connoisseurs. People who loved every aspect of smoking although had given up completely because they find the concept of vaping to be even more enjoyable than traditional smoking. They find the broad range of flavours and the ability to mix your own liquids appealing, no doubt they also appreciate the fact that in this hobby there is far less chance of dying or risking ruining loved ones lives. I understand that regardless of all that there will still be many people that prefer the sensation of traditional smoking so much that the e cig will not work for them. If that is the case I can understand.
However for the people that this device does and could work for, it really is a life changing invention. Im sure any e cig user will tell you the same because many thousands of people have not touched a real cigarette since buying one and that is undoubtedly a very good thing.
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Yeah Nail I understand but cmon lol, next time let's try asking for them to elaborate xD
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Gimme a e-joint please ! :P
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One last thing, where have you been getting your e-liquid from NAiL and anything you recommend?
I would like to try some of the liberty flights but they're more or less all out of stock and not replying to any emails. I don't think i'm particularly worried about having a cigarette/tobacco flavour maybe more cherry/cola/bubblegum something nice anyway heh.
I was hoping to get a few 5ml's to try em out, was thinking about getting the wicked eliquids tester pack but they aint got such a good range of flavours no more.
I picked up the shit vaporiser again I got from dealextreme.com (so much chinese tatt for next to nothing, its hilarious) and have been direct dripping, basically gone around a day without a proper cig so far but the menthol liquid is not that nice, think i'm gonna start the process of coughing up the nasty stuff soon too.
Definitely looking to get an ego or riva 510 in the future.
edit: ps, I found the discount code 'september10' for 15% off on liberty-flights - getting a riva 510 now
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Get the ego!!
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yeh dog get the ego! Its widely considered the best on the market, worth the few extra pounds!
So far ive only bought liquids from Liberty Flights, ive tried quite a few though and would recommend these:
Fruits/Others (ive tried almost all of them)
- Lemon (citrusy and refreshing)
- Red Energy (just like red bull)
- Vanilla (lovely)
- Cappuccino (best coffee flavour)
- Green Tea (refreshing and authentic)
- Coconut (delicious bounty flavour)
- Chocolate Cream (best chocolate flavour)
- Kiwi (tangy)
Tobaccos (not tried as many as the fruits, but found these to be delicious)
- French Pipe (defo favourite tobacco flavour so far)
- Winston (nice)
- RY4 (pleasant)
I dont know how much you know about PG and VG liquids, but there is a very noticeable difference between them. VG liquids tend to produce a thicker vapour than PG liquids however the flavour is lessened. I would recommend you buy PG liquids first and then on your next order get a few VGs so you can see the difference. If you start to mix your own liquids (which is much cheaper) then you will learn about using a mix of PG and VG for the best of both worlds. I havent started mixing my own yet but I've found that on their own I prefer PG liquids. What you can do is buy a 5ml bottle of a flavour in PG and another in VG, then mix them together to get a fuller vape! Another thing is the nicotine content. The higher the nicotine content the more it overrides the flavour. I buy 8 and 14mg bottles, serves me just fine.
I spend around £20 on liquids every 2 to 3 weeks. Considering a pouch of tobacco would cost me £4 and I would buy 3 in a week you can see already that its cheaper. There is always a 15% code available for LF, make sure you use it every time! Keep an eye out for the 0mg bottles as you can try out a flavour for about a quid, bargain!
Glad to see you're already looking into this mate! Even if this thread converts only one person, thats mission accomplished. For those of you neglecting this information or not looking into it, do it now. Once you have this thing you'll wish you did it sooner!
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I'm not just looking into it mate, i'm back on the chinese vape I got for a few quid, this is my 3rd day of not smoking, I honestly never believed i'd ever make it this far - used to think I was f@#!ed for life. I had given up on the e-cig because I wasnt getting nothin using carts but your post made me pick it up again and do some research so have been direct dripping and so far so good. Still thinking about smoking a proper cig a lot, I might eventually have one or two here and there but I havnt caved yet, usually just have a good few vapes on 18mg liquid and that tends to do the trick. I have noticed I have to vape for some time to completely kill the craving, longer than i'd smoke a cig at least but for the most part its been working an absolute charm.
Hopefully tomorrow my order from liberty flights arrives, I was like a kid on christmas thinking it might come this morning hah. I ended up going for the Riva 510 (dont hate lol), from what i've read i'm certain its still a very good product, some people prefer the Riva button to the Ego since the Ego can get stuck. I'll let ya know how it goes but I saved myself a tenner and got some e-liquids that sound nice, and a mix of VG and PG, cherry, cola, grape, spearmint and the mild 7's tobacco flavour. I was absolutely gutted the cherry cola was out of stock on LF that sounds right up my alley lol - no offence, but your selection is the exact opposite of what i'd consider - tea, coconut, chocolate f@#!ing rank lol.
So yea i'm gonna stop thinking about cigs now, this is makin me want a proper one pretty bad but im just gettin on with it and vaping like mad. As far as the past 3 days have gone I havent been constantly thinking about cigs like I have in the past when i've tried to give up, gives you a almost genuine smoking experience, throat hit, smoke rings the lot. I always thought a big part of smoking for me was the act of smoking, the smoke and the inhaling hot burning smoke (and looking cool as f@#!, i'll have to give that up too) as much as the nicotine and other stuff so for me so far this is delivering pretty well and i'm sure when my Riva arrives i'll be completely sold.
I'll let ya know on here how I get on with my Riva, hopefully go the distance this time. Picked up a LR atomiser and gonna be removing the wicks and maybe the bridge on one of the regular atomisers as this apparently improves performance when dripping.
Oh one last thing, used to have my morning cig and be straight on the shitter - mild inconvenience, they say it's a diuretic or whatever - even worse when coupled with a cup of tea. Had none of these issues with the e-cig ;D
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These are just patches for the real problem. Same goes for champex, nicotine patches and all of it.
If you want to quit, f@#!ing quit.
I'll keep smoking till I want to quit.
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No, this is a real alternative. Please don't miss inform people with your ignorance. K thnx
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A forum is about discussion and opinions.
You're being the narrow minded f@#!wit.
I don't give two shits about Karma.
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You know i've seen though man.
In the last 2 weeks, like 10 people at my work have e-cigs already, and they all smoke while working indoors, that's amazing man, can smoke while working inside a building and theres no smell or anything.
I have gave up smoking completely, been off cigs for, what, 2 months or more now, and I feel great, no desire to smoke whatsoever, well, if I drink I have to smoke, I can't drink and not smoke, so I quit drinking also, haven't had a drink for almost 2 months now too, I tried to have a vodka last weekend but I still wanted a cig, so I only had 2 vodkas and stopped lol.
I wish e-cig was around for the last 5 years while I smoked, i'd be luvin it being able to do some work, take a quick puff, get back to work, without having to walk upstairs get my cigs out my lockers, put my jumper/coat on, go all the way back downstairs and out the front, round the side to the designated smoking-area, and all the way back in, that saves 5 minutes of your break already lol...
You can smoke on the bus, you can smoke even on planes supposedly, dunno if that's true though, you can definately use this thing more or less anywhere you want, at anytime you want, that's one of the cons of smoking real cigs, at work, you can only smoke on your break, in designated areas, with e-cig, anytime you want, anywhere you want, it can't get better than that imo...
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@ madogg: nice mate, enjoy your riva when it comes!
@ komo: yeh you can use them "anywhere", which is a good thing. I dont use it indoors or in public places often because I dont want weird looks and have to explain what it is im smoking. It does look like you're smoking and its better to respect people who dont want to be around "smoke" (even though it isnt smoke). I have used it in more lively indoor places like clubs and pubs, its a fun novelty and a good talking point! When im out I actually smoke my e cig less then I did normal cigs, which is good!
@ breeze: Ignorant, unjustified opinion. If you're gonna make brazen statements like that at least support your opinion with evidence and reason. Sure, giving up completely is obviously the best thing to do although as Im sure you're already aware, this is far more easily said than done. Many people try to give up by either going cold turkey or with patches and find that they simply cant do it (Ive tried and failed to give up smoking many times). E cigs have enabled thousands of people to quit normal cigs with ease (with EASE). There are also many people who still want to enjoy the sensation of smoking yet dont want to endanger their health of the health of others. E cigs allow people to do this (good thing ye).
Bottom line is this. Giving up smoking is a very hard thing to do for most people. E cigs not only make the process of giving up traditional smoke easy, they also make it extremely enjoyable. You already have 3 people in this thread talking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE about how well these things WORK and how they have improved their quality of life. Its no overstatement to say that the e cig is one of the most useful inventions of the 21st century and there is no doubt whatsoever that it DOES and COULD help many thousands of people to give up a filthy habit.
Pretty stupid comment breeze. You should note this information is for people who WANT to quit smoking or transfer to a healthier alternative. If YOU dont want to quit right now, good on you, greetz son, nice work pal, clap clap, clever doggy. This information is intended to help those that DO want to quit and have struggled with other ways of quitting, you get that yeh? Understood?
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Its no overstatement to say that the e cig is one of the most useful inventions of the 21st century
Hmm, I can't agree with that until we see what long-term effects this product has, remember, even cigarettes can take a whole lifetime to deliver the fatal blow, I think if with e-cigs it has long/lifetime side effects it's another useless invention, but so far, you could be right, if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years (in terms of health & safety, reducing death by tobacco etc).
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... if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years...
Easy there, komo, lol.
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... if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years...
Easy there, komo, lol.
I am being serious mate, how many people smoke? How many people die from smoking? Saving literally an uncountable number of lives from here on...
How can that not be a great invention? Then again, depends on personal opinions...
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komo m8: Why do you always have to find something to disagree on even though you generally agree with the crux of what im saying? Its kinda annoying because you can see I know what im talking about here. I wouldnt write anything I havent already justified or could easily justify in another post (like im doing now). You just wrote a few paragraphs on how great the e cig is as it allows people to smoke indoors and in public places without leaving any odour. The fact that the e cig allows smokers the freedom to get their nicotine anywhere they please without having to stand out in the freezing cold or pouring rain, that fact ALONE makes it an incredibly useful invention.
I agree with you, until longterm studies have been carried out (the e cig has only been around for the last 10 years) we cannot say that they are 100% safe. What we can look at are the tens of thousands of testimonies from ex smokers who look and feel a whole world better than they did before since giving up traditional cigarettes. Technology and human knowledge is far superior to what it was when cigarettes first came around, we generally already know what the long term effects of inhaling a substance will be. Have any ill effects of using E cigs been found in the 10 years of their existance? No, they havent. A 7 month study was carried out in New Zealand to investigate the effects of the inhalation of both propylene and vegetable glycol. Where any ill effects found? No.
Can we conclusively say that the device is 100% safe? No, not yet. Can we conclusively say that the device has been approved by the food and drug administration for human use? Yes. Can we conclusively say that e cigs are a safer, healthier alternative to traditional cigarettes? Yes we can. Can we conclusively say that a device that is UNDOUBTEDLY safer than traditional cigarettes, and a device that has enabled thousands of people to give up traditional cigarettes is one of the most useful inventions of the 21st century? Yes, we can, whole heartedly.
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What you trippin about nail, why does everyone here always say I disagree with everything I don't lol, I just try to see things from every perspective I can before making my choice, all I said was I can't agree on that until I have proof about long-term effects, I ain't threatening you or anything lol chill mate :)
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Mate I am chilled and grateful for your post because it allowed me to further talk about the benefits of e cigs.
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You confuse me... I mean you pull me up on the greatest invention point, then rok pulls you up on it and you defend my original point! No worries man its all good debate.
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Absolutely, i've also read somewhere that the propylene glycol has been used in asthma inhalers for over 50 years with no ill effects and to continue smoking real cigarettes because of the very low possibility of some minor risk is ridiculous given the damage inhaling tobacco smoke does, the way I see is it is you may as well give it a go.
I always weighed up my want to continue to smoke with potential long term risks + short term issues and smoking won every single time. Now here is a way to continue smoking yet remove the risks almost completely.
Basically I completely agree with what NAiL said, this is my 4th day so far, had one real cigarette that I didnt even need. It seems to me to be not a complete replacement so far but i'm hoping when I get a decent e-cig with some nice flavours that will all change. It is absolutely the easiest, more enjoyable few days i've ever had without smoking, it has literally felt like nothing and required no will power on my part.
Also given the nature of cigarette addiction it could well be that only in 20 years when you have throat cancer that you actually want to quit enough to do it. The delayed risk that smoking poses is what is dangerous since it's difficult to internalise and assess risks that aren't immediate. Nicotine messes with your brain chemistry so that the majority of the enjoyment comes from the fact you're satisfying the need for nicotine more than any inherent enjoyment from the process of smoking.
I hope it sounds like one day I would eventually like to be free of nicotine addiction because I would - the entire thing is particularly stupid because the entire enjoyment comes from satisfying some feeling or need that you wouldn't even have if you weren't addicted. It's like having a constant headache and 'enjoying' paracetamol tablets. Nicotine isn't harmful in itself, the risks come from the tar and the thousands of other chemicals in smoke, so why bother smoking when there's a 99.9999% alternative.
It just absolutely defies any reasonable explanation why anyone would not even give this a go before signing it off as bullshit, I haven't tried patches yet so I can't vouch for how effective that is but patches are expensive as f@#! and this way you retain all the habits and get a nicotine fix that is comparable and more or less identical to regular cigarettes. I do think perhaps smokers do get some enjoyment that non-smokers would otherwise miss out on, wanting a cig isn't particularly comparable to having a headache, there is no great pain involved in wanting one and its nice to finally satisfy that feeling.
I would also like to add that i'm not past the finish post yet if there even is one, its only been a few days but since these are usually the hardest i'm pretty confident its doing its magic. I have also read that nicotine isn't the only addictive substance in tobacco smoke so this may be the reason why I still have some minor residual want for a real cig, but given its not particularly an issue for me and given a few more days hopefully this will disappear too.
@komo, the long term risks aren't known, but it's pretty accepted nicotine on its own isn't harmful and so far PG doesn't seem to be either - I don't know what choice you're talking about (whether it's the invention of the past 1000 years?) but given the harm reduction this 100% provides it's an no brainer for me. Also see the stuff above re: the enjoyment more or less only being from satisfaction of a nicotine craving - this is what I tired to explain to you before when you were giving up in less elegant terms, and if you're still adamant you weren't addicted then maybe an e-cig with 0mg nictoine could do the same thing for you. Well done tho mate you gave up pretty easily from what I could tell.
f@#! that was a long post.
edit: make that 2 in 4 days, still not bad. Royal Mail has let me down today no post >:(
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Nice testimony mate! As you said it only gets easier as time goes on, and it really isnt that much effort anyway! I personally preferred the e cig to traditional ones from the moment I tired it, so it was an enjoyable transition, no stress whatsoever. I hope your package comes soon!
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You know it makes sense! No effort in the slightest, only cigs i've smoked have been cause i'm a bit sick of the menthol flavour, bad vaporiser or the battery has run out.
I can't recommend it enough and this is coming from someone who has smoked for 8+ years and never thought I would get ever find a replacement for it.
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f@#!, just a quick update, the Riva 510 is absolutely amazing, tons of vapour compared to my other one, it literally makes all the difference. Don't have to redrip every few mins either and all the flavours taste absolutely lush.
I would make the comparison with smoking a hookah pipe, tons of vapor (like smoke from a hookah), and depending on what liquid you got the fruity flavour too. Its exactly like smoking a hench water pipe more than regular cigs imo, much more enjoyable.
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glad i found this, might seriously look into it. ony problem eing 50 quid is a lot to outlaywhen im unemployed and only get dole :( but.... thinking it could be seriously worthwhile
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If you use the code ECR69 you can get 15% off so the Riva 510 lite bundle for £26, liquids are a few quid each. Looking around 35 with shipping and a few liquids which should last you a while.
I've already coughed up a ton of shit and teeth look whiter already, should save money eventually but outlay is a bit of a bitch and probably won't break even for a few weeks yet. If you're a heavy smoker should break even quicker, tax on uk cigs is a f@#!ing scam lol.
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Just got one and quit fags. Although not sure about smoking this e-cig in public yet. Don't see why not though.
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haha nice man, which did you get?
Mine broke some months ago and I couldnt be bothered to order new parts again, so ive been back on the herb.
I will order a new one and quit again, the only reason I went back to fags was because my e cig started playing up, when it works I dont want any tobacco at all. The transition from smoking to vaping is beautiful, going from vaping back to smoking is revolting and you really notice just how disgusting cigarettes are then you get used to them again.
You can buy ones that look just like a normal fag at a glance, better for smoking in public. I used to enjoy telling everyone about this life saving device when I first got it, it was always a point of conversation when around new people but eventually it became tiresome repeating myself over and over. People always wanted to try it too.. mainly the non smokers! Its no big deal though, and it actually encourages you to smoke less in public due to the hassle, which is good.
You "can" smoke them anywhere, apparently... but thats still pretty obnoxious. Sometimes I would have a cheeky puff on the bus or train, then slowly let out the smoke trying to be discreet, people didnt know what to make of it rofl.... funny.
I would recommend a new brand of e cig called 20motives, not so great if you want to make your own juices n stuff like that, but it feels so nice to hold and the flavour it comes in tastes great, ima buy some of them!
Good luck m8, hopefully you also lose the nicotine addiction in time. man its all a waste of time, wish id never started smoking!
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Not making a fuss about it, but I just recently read in the newspaper that e-cig can "explode" in the mouth. Just google it, plenty of results.
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women are experienced with those kinds of things
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Not making a fuss about it, but I just recently read in the newspaper that e-cig can "explode" in the mouth. Just google it, plenty of results.
I just read that, lmfao, lucky bastard, he'll get some nice comp for that, lucky f@#! haha.
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Depends how much damage it did to his mouth I guess :D
I don't know what kind it is. I got this whole pack for a good price. 2 batteries, 2 atomisers, usb charger, some liquid to put in it. Pretty good.
I haven't smoked a fag since and I can't wait to try one again and realise how revolting they are.
I hope that the long term effects are found to be as safe as some are making out.
With regards to smoking it in public, I'm still not sure. If more people did it then I would but I would feel a little uncomfortable smoking this weird contraption when no one else is. With a drink at a bar I might have to succumb to the odd analogue but I'm hoping I can get a grip and stay off them completely.
But no fags in 48 hours is great.
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But no fags in 48 hours is great.
Wait till you've went about 4 days without cigs, then you eat your favourite foods, it's awesome :)
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i noticied something bad at quit smoking, when something smells bad u rly notice it much stronger than b4 xDD f@#!ing dirty pussy hauhua jk
but ye komo is right.