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One-Boards => Schemes => Topic started by: Kaleu on October 15, 2014, 12:59 AM
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Hey TUS users! Could any of you share your methods or tricks which youve heard that may help to upgrade the consistency in TTRR? - Yeah, I fall too often in RRs can't become a top RRer even playing for six years, any tips? :'(
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Well, when I used to practice on a regular basis, I just picked a random mappack and tried to just finish the maps, without attempting to go fast, but only finish them, this 30 minutes/1 hour a day. After some minutes I noticed that I fell less than I used to, less obvious mistakes and of course, my times were improving after some time. There might be more efficient and simpler ways to get a good consistency in RR (challenges, I guess), but that method worked for me. ;)
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That tip should help since I speed up too much in most turns I think, thanks! 8)
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Id say Practice and stay warm. Im not consistant at all because I dont stay warm but know I can rope if i practice because I have beat or equalled some good times by good player on some days.
roping safe will never get a good time you must take atleast some risk.
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know I can rope if i practice because I have beat or equalled some good times by good player on some days.
...Probably the same days where good players were sucking hard for many other reasons auhauh
ttrr roping is not something like "that day I got 10 sec less than my usual time".
No improvements of 1-2 secs is something you get easily from a day to another in ttrr and this is how I f@#! your own theory.
But also: ttrr is "today I suck, but yesterday.... Oh man, auhahauh, if you only were with me in that map..."
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One thing that helps for a consistent league style; always try to do the same moves for the same obstacles. For most climbs that aren't super-skinny, don't try to mix it up with extensions, just go for a regular climb each time (or maybe an elevator if there's a lot of room). Or when transitioning from one alley to another; pretty much always bounce off the side wall to get a good boost. Of course you have to improvise sometimes, but the more you can stick to the same moves, the better. It's just less to think about, and helps muscle memory.
There's also a certain mentality you need to adopt; you need to make not falling your number one priority, and continually adjust your speed to satisfy that priority. You just need to be really aware of what is and isn't risky for you; you should adjust your speed so that you're really confident (like over 95%) that you won't fall with each move you make.
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Mablak you confuse me. I dunno if its just our timezones but I dont see you online very much at all but then when I do your rope is pretty dam good and consistant and seems as though you play everyday. I know you got all these years and years of experience under your belt but so do I... and I suck even more if i dont even play for 1 day.
Do you still play regularly or play offline ?
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Do you still play regularly or play offline ?
Hey pizza, I actually haven't played at all for most of the past year. Before that, I was playing regularly enough to at least stay in roping shape, though not a ton. I haven't taken as many breaks as most people, and it's possible I've put in more total hours into the game than anyone, might be why my form doesn't rust over completely. I also started at age 13 or 14; the brain might be better at internalizing things learned at a younger age. I'd like to play again, but carpal tunnel is a prob for me >_o.
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hopefully carpal tunnel not from worming ;o
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One of the most important things also, get a keyboard that suits your style, I can still rope good, but I will never EVER be as good as I was before I broke my favourite keyboard, we were made for each other lol.
Some peoples fingers are more twitchy than others, meaning they could require a more sensitive keyboard, some people prefer heavy typewriter style keys, personally I prefer keys that bounce back up the fastest, quite springy...
Although personally I think it's lame/borderline cheating, it's not against any rules to mod your keyboard to ridiculous lengths, ask Mablak or Anubis, they know how to do it quite reliably and quite impressively.
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Thank you all, great tips :)
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yes 100% agree with Komito, I feel like a fool, years ago I roped with laptop kb ,nice and flat but I killed the keys on it, Then for years used a cheap Logitech k120 until it broke and continued to use it while it was half broken for long time.
But this is why I feel silly after so many years I reached the max speed out of the k120 and realised it was all in my timing. But now about a week or 2 ago I finally got new keyboard "Logitech k270" and instanly my style has changed and I can tap sooo much quicker and dont have to worry about the timing of the keyboard hardly at all.
So if going from one keyboard to another can effect rope this much I believe there is a keyboard out there that is perfect for worms..... and i think mablak sirJ and anubis have it :)
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No, you don't get the point...
You can adapt your kb to your needs... you just need to know how and what are your needs, that is what make the difference between you and Anubis or Mablak. If you give them a bad kb, they will know how to adapt it in order to be decent with that, not perfect as with their favorite kb, but super decent. And dreaming the perfect kb, that everyone "had", is just a way to have our personal utopia which can move things inside ourselves.
It's the same with other things... give a shitty guitar to a professionist, he will change pieces here and there, he will adjust it to his needs.. and voilà, he will get that f@#!ing sound.. because he has that f@#!ing sound in his f@#!ing mind...
the problem is when you don't have consistent knowledge in your mind.
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ANO, he does get the point, clearly lol, but what you said is still true.
Some people, like myself, don't like to MOD keyboards, saying that, I have NEVER ever been a fan of modding any type of hardware, when all my friends at school had chipped playstations, I didn't chip mine because I just didn't like the thought of it...
I understand I could be losing out on something cool because of my choice, but whatever, that makes me me :D
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Kaleu,
For league TTRR, it doesn't matter how well you win, how good your time, you just want to win, and consistency is key for that.
Hints:
1. Practice non linear / semi-linear maps.
I learned on these maps - FFIE / Stratovarious / Herm / Krutgumman.
These maps help you see weaknesses fast.
You get good on the above maps, the linear (Nail, NinjaCamel, AZ01, etc.) maps become very easy.
2. Race your opponent, not yourself.
Know how good your opponent is.
Just beat them - don't try for your best run - that is for challenges / funners.
So easy to try a 45 on an AZ map and lose all your turns - your opponent might get a 55 and win - oops!
3. When you know your weaknesses, go back to basics or learn other styles to make it easier.
Can't climb? Extend - when you are on the rope, you can't fall. So many people "power climb" and fall - only do this when you are confident or RR'ing a good player.
Can't scroll? Don't bounce off the back wall, it generates speed and so many people fly their worm into the roof or slip and hit the floor - again only needed against a good player.
Practice the faster routines offline or in funners then slowly build them into your league games.
4. Avoid swooshes - if the wind if facing your worm, you slide down the wall and into the water.
As an alternative, you can extend down small drops and use the momentum to hit the back wall if you can control it.
For larger drops, just drop yourself, rather that swoosh over an arch.
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Great post Ryan, thanks for taking your time to write such big post to help me, I'll follow your tips. ;)
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you dont like me do you ANO ? :P you missed what I was saying, I had an old kb for years and learnt to rope as good as a could with it, and now I have a new one and everything is much more simple and can do anything on this KB that would be pretty much impossible on the old kb.
So I was saying Ive wasted years of practice on a bad kb which I could have picked up in a few weeks on this one.
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No, I like you... I admit I didn't read until the end your post, it was something I wanted to say in any case and which is true. Everyone should adapt their kb if they know how to do. And no one should consider this cheating.
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I tryed for so long to learn wizard and warlock but could only do it if I had enough speed and right momentum. This new kb does them 1st go every time feels great.
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Everyone should adapt their kb if they know how to do. And no one should consider this cheating.
I do kind of consider it borderline cheating though, it's a ridiculous advantage, the reason why is because not everyone is comfortable with ruining their warranty on a hardware product, let alone simply ruining the product...
If it was something everyone could do very easily, without such a risk, and if it all went wrong to easily revert back to original status, i'd be happy with it.
It shouldn't be allowed imo because less than 2% of players are technically skilled enough to actually do it without damaging their product etc...
Even though that's my opinion, overall I don't care though cuz I don't even like Classic League haha.
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Everyone should adapt their kb if they know how to do. And no one should consider this cheating.
I do kind of consider it borderline cheating though, it's a ridiculous advantage, the reason why is because not everyone is comfortable with ruining their warranty on a hardware product, let alone simply ruining the product...
If it was something everyone could do very easily, without such a risk, and if it all went wrong to easily revert back to original status, i'd be happy with it.
It shouldn't be allowed imo because less than 2% of players are technically skilled enough to actually do it without damaging their product etc...
Even though that's my opinion, overall I don't care though cuz I don't even like Classic League haha.
let's make things ilegal based on their accesibility
great argumentation Komodo!
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Everything has to be adapted to our needs in life... Your car, your clothes, your electric sockets.. etc.. When it comes to races and competition I think that it is even more obvious. Human beings are unique while Keyboards are not, but you can change them to adapt to your uniqueness.
If you are not able to do that or you don't want to risk to lose your warranty... well, I don't find this a valid argumentation for ones who want to be at top level.
And if a guy can adapt a 10 dollars kb to be efficient and kick asses around, all I can say it's:
"Good job man, you have just proved why you are the best".
And to all the rest of wormers who always claim about not having the best kb to be at the top you can imagine what I could say.
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Considering Classic League now gives out money as a prize, I think it's a perfectly fine opinion/arguement.
Shouldn't even have to modify hardware to be the best, it's pretty silly...
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ANO`s tips for Consistency in Life.
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To kind elaborate on what I said about not being able to modify hardware...
If you are playing for fun, fine, do whatever you want, but when you are competing on a competitive level, especially when there is money involved, there should be a standard players should be forced to use, I know it can't ever be implemented in Worms Armageddon, simply because we cannot possibly monitor everyone who competes, but my personal belief is that you shouldn't be allowed to mod your equipment when others can't.
Some players are too young to even know how to do that stuff, it's dangerous to them, or their parents would discipline them, what's your excuse for them??
Personally, if I was hosting a cash prize event, I would ban players like Mablak, Anubis, etc because I know they MOD their equipment.
And that would be unfair, because others could be guilty too, so i'd probably end up not even doing it lol
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Is why everyone should play a larger variety of schemes and show more skill alll across the board. There are many players who stick to their normal comfort zones and decide thats all they want from worms. Some players just rope and others only certain schemes such as being pro at roper but not being able to wxw or like and alot of others only play intermediate.
People forget that worms is fully customizable game and majority of schemes where just made up by other wormers. I didnt event Hys,wxw,ttrr,roper,t17 ect ect but I ended up playing them most because of everyone else was.
My favourite way to play worms is 1v1v1v1v1v1 in a battle race or the average classic league schemes but with differant weapons and powers ect.
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No way Komo.
1: some kids have rich and dumb parents who can afford for 200 dollars keyboards and it's not a problem to give this amount to their kids for a damned keyboard; while some kids have not this kind of parents and they just have a 10 dollars kb. They compete in the same league.. Now, I don't even think I need to ask you if that is fair or not.
2: In races people customize motorbikes, bikes, car etc... And in a worms league where not everyone can afford top mechanical kbs, I don't see the problem in adding some piece of papers or remove couple of components to your kb.. because this is what is Modding in worms...
I am scared you believe that the kb makes the player when it's the player who changes the kb and makes a kb work. If you love roping and spend hours and days in learning and practicing, you absolutely need to adapt that kb to your fingers, style etc... Especially if you have a cheap one.
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ANO, I became one of the best ropers in warmers of all time, and I never once had to MOD a keyboard.
As far as I am concerned, I was genuine, players like Mablak & Anubis aren't genuine, I will never be able to trust them.
Yes, some kids parents can afford hundreds of dollars, SOME, my parents would never buy me stuff like this and I live in a place much better off than many countries around the world.
The point I was making wasn't just about being able to afford it, it's a moral principle too.
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I hope your parents don't buy stuff to you anymore at your age! :D
You were not a best ttrr guy, this topic is about ttrr.
Maybe your background is much different from mine and you can't understand... For me customize things is a routine and I am quite shocked it isn't for you.
As morale principle you are even more wrong:
How can you be honest with you thinking that 2 guys one with a 10USD Kb and one with a 200USD one are playing in the same league and the poor guy can't feel comfortable in playing his favorite scheme with that shit!?
Moral??? Go to guys who do races and tell them to not modify their bikes, to buy the one that they can afford from a shop and to compete with the others.
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Nah theres no point we're totally not on the same page lol.
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feet on ground, philosophers
you guys are gamers, I assume, since you participate in an online league for a game.
If you gonna game you gotta game. You buy a gaming keyboard. The differences betwen Anubis with a good keyboard and a modded keyboard are minimal, I'll go as far as to say they're irrelevant in league games.
Now, we should not aim to accomodate for people using laptops or other shitty forms of gaming, like shit keyboards or crappy small monitors.
They wanna game they gotta game. And if they want to win the cash prize or become competitive, there are some things you gotta invest in. Either extra money to get a decent keyboard, or extra time to get as good. It's not a big deal.
Komodo's lack of perspective is not new, but it's hitting a new bar in this thread really. Morality? Living in a place better off than many countries in the world? You kids spend, or used to spend 8 hours in front of the computer playing worms. A good roping keyboard costs 20€. Don't give me shit about morality when you can clearly afford an internet connection. It's retarded. As retarded as implying Mablak beats everyone because he puts a piece of paper under his spacebar... There's probably a keyboard out there, in a shop, out of a box, that Mablak would find not comparable, but maybe equally as good or even better than his modded stuff. It's a minimal stupid little thing and everytime I read you talk about it makes me think you genuinely think you believe they're that good because of that...
Ladies and gentlemen, the moral notcher.
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ANO, I became one of the best ropers in warmers of all time, and I never once had to MOD a keyboard.
As far as I am concerned, I was genuine, players like Mablak & Anubis aren't genuine, I will never be able to trust them.
Yes, some kids parents can afford hundreds of dollars, SOME, my parents would never buy me stuff like this and I live in a place much better off than many countries around the world.
The point I was making wasn't just about being able to afford it, it's a moral principle too.
Oh come on Dave, now you don't trust me? I've always been up front about putting paper underneath my spacebar, and encouraging others to do it as well:
It's not rocket science, it's very easy to do, and there have never been any rules about key sensitivity. If we think it's fine for someone to have a perfectly sensitive keyboard, then it makes no sense to say a paper-modded key that achieves the same effect is somehow different or not 'genuine'.
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Mab, I trust you as a person lol, I just mean, if he does that, what else is he capable of?? Kai is even worse lol
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I saw a kid, after having seen this video who killed a friend at school...
Before they were saying that HeavyMetal leads kids to commit murders... now it's modding keyboards...