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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: Dub-c on July 06, 2011, 05:59 PM
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There are no rules about avoiding, but you seem to have a strong stance on it.
If you'd like to voice your opinion or get everyone else's, I encourage you to write up a rule about avoiding and how to enforce it.
A new thread about it might be more appropriate since this thread might want to continue to talk about the clanner point system.
Avoiding: Any player or clan who is looking for a tus game and is not willing to play another person or clan is avoiding and will be penalized.
Examples of avoiding:
Player A asks for a clanner or tus and player B says yes, but, player A will not play them
Player A asks for a clanner or tus and player B asks another person in private for a tus or clanner instead of excepting the game being offered.
Player A only asks for tus games in private to certain people and does not ask "tus anyone?" in AG
Options for penalties:
I would like to see the person or clan who is at fault of avoiding lose the max points that could have been loss if they accepted the game.
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so if u ask tus and I say "sorry no time", then I should get penalized?
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In a first glance I say its impossible to implement-determine when avoiding actually takes place :S
Imagine good (in players) clans seeing a weaker clan asking for clanner and then they say "no". Bigger clans can do that to make weaker clans' scores less and remain easily first. Its like Capitalism for tus-ing :P
PS: and say someone avoids, who will be witnesses? will the other clan start asking random ppl on TUS to confirm someone "avoided" or we gonna take their word for it :P. No way to implement man
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so if u ask tus and I say "sorry no time", then I should get penalized?
Ofcourse not, I thought avoiding was pretty obvious and self explanatory but I guess I will have to elaborate.
Feel free to help out or elaborate.
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In a first glance I say its impossible to implement-determine when avoiding actually takes place :S
Imagine good (in players) clans seeing a weaker clan asking for clanner and then they say "no". Bigger clans can do that to make weaker clans' scores less and remain easily first. Its like Capitalism for tus-ing :P
PS: and say someone avoids, who will be witnesses? will the other clan start asking random ppl on TUS to confirm someone "avoided" or we gonna take their word for it :P. No way to implement man
Screenshots, chat logs, etc etc
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In a first glance I say its impossible to implement-determine when avoiding actually takes place :S
Imagine good (in players) clans seeing a weaker clan asking for clanner and then they say "no". Bigger clans can do that to make weaker clans' scores less and remain easily first. Its like Capitalism for tus-ing :P
PS: and say someone avoids, who will be witnesses? will the other clan start asking random ppl on TUS to confirm someone "avoided" or we gonna take their word for it :P. No way to implement man
Screenshots, chat logs, etc etc
well I understand competitive clans would like that but I can see other ppl finding it too "serious" if you know what I mean. Its worms man :P we have enough rules as it is, this is like trying to put the game into a straight-jacket "YOU WILL PLAY NOW CAUSE YOU SAID IT" kinda thing :P
gl though, I'm just saying an opinion :)
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that means u can't play TUS just with friends? is obligation to play against everyone even if that player u don't like?
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In a first glance I say its impossible to implement-determine when avoiding actually takes place :S
Imagine good (in players) clans seeing a weaker clan asking for clanner and then they say "no". Bigger clans can do that to make weaker clans' scores less and remain easily first. Its like Capitalism for tus-ing :P
PS: and say someone avoids, who will be witnesses? will the other clan start asking random ppl on TUS to confirm someone "avoided" or we gonna take their word for it :P. No way to implement man
Screenshots, chat logs, etc etc
well I understand competitive clans would like that but I can see other ppl finding it too "serious" if you know what I mean. Its worms man :P we have enough rules as it is, this is like trying to put the game into a straight-jacket "YOU WILL PLAY NOW CAUSE YOU SAID IT" kinda thing :P
gl though, I'm just saying an opinion :)
You have your right to that opinion and there is nothing wrong with what you are saying. I don't believe this is a huge issue, but, there is no rules on it and I believe there should be rules in place.
As for too many rules and people thinking a penalty for avoiding is too "serious", they are playing in a competitive league and no one is forcing them to play in the league or even playing a tus game if they don't want to. If I ask someone to tus and they say they don't feel like it, they are not avoiding. Now if they wait until I found a tus and hosted then they themselves asked if anyone wanted to tus they would be avoiding.
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You just can't fit everything between rules!
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If I ask someone to tus and they say they don't feel like it, they are not avoiding. Now if they wait until I found a tus and hosted then they themselves asked if anyone wanted to tus they would be avoiding.
Agreed. But there's no way you can prove that someone does it.
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that means u can't play TUS just with friends? is obligation to play against everyone even if that player u don't like?
That is exactly what it means in my opinion. Its a league and if you are going to play in a league you have to be willing to play anyone in the league.
Should FC Barcelona be able to play in their soccer league and pick and choose who they play?
Not saying you can not play your friends, just can't avoid playing other people and only play your friends. You can always play a funner with your friends if you don't want to play in the league.
If you feel so strongly that you don't like someone and don't want to play them and you are accused of avoiding them, then I think your reasoning could be taken into account in the complaint.
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If I ask someone to tus and they say they don't feel like it, they are not avoiding. Now if they wait until I found a tus and hosted then they themselves asked if anyone wanted to tus they would be avoiding.
Agreed. But there's no way you can prove that someone does it.
You can keep snooper active if you believe someone is doing this. Of course people are going to come back after being inactive in AG and ask for a tus after another person has asked for a tus but it would have to be an ongoing theme of someone not playing better people and waiting for them to find a game before asking "tus anyone" or asking people in private.
Again I don't think this is a huge problem in the league, Franz just asked me to post a rule and get opinions since I am against people avoiding other people.
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All should be in a good balance. It dont makes sense when someone plays 50 tel-games in a season but 10 times against the same player. Barcelona dont play against Getafe 10 times in a season too (in dub-c words).
So, if I ask for tel, and someone agree but I already played against him many games, I can say "no", in my opinion this aint avoiding.
And this: Nice wheat snp has a ignore-option. So I'm using this and ignore all spammers and bad behaviour people. Some tus-members are involved too. If such a person is calling my request with a "yes", I coulnt read it. There is no rule that I cant ignore people in #ag.
In the end: Keep a good balance in a season and you dont have to feel urself bad. And to avoid some **** isnt a crime too. Imo. :)
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Let's do nothing, is good as it is right now, when someone avoids, they just lose their reputation and nobody wants to play with them after, that's a good penalty actually lol.
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lol amigo that is fcking crazy
I have some personal rules that is most important than TUS: Example:
NO PLAY WITH BAD PERSONS.
If i ask in AG tel ne1, and Doubletime answer me, i decline.
Each person must to set what ppl He want to play.
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lol amigo that is fcking crazy
I have some personal rules that is most important than TUS: Example:
NO PLAY WITH BAD PERSONS.
If i ask in AG tel ne1, and Doubletime answer me, i decline.
Each person must to set what ppl He want to play.
you are totally right. ;p
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lol amigo that is fcking crazy
I have some personal rules that is most important than TUS: Example:
NO PLAY WITH BAD PERSONS.
If i ask in AG tel ne1, and Doubletime answer me, i decline.
Each person must to set what ppl He want to play.
Absolutely, I will not play doubletime either. If he made a complaint against me I would just explain to the mods that all he does is insult me during games so I don't play him. The mod will obviously agree I'm not avoiding him. Ignorant and insulting people obviously lose the right to complain about people not playing them. They brought that on themselves.
Although if I could just pick to play only the people I choose and only choose to play people who I can easily beat is this right? Should this be allowed? Not everyone cares about their "reputation" enough to follow rules and be proper.
SPW is also right. This rule is mostly common sense and would only come into fruition during extreme circumstances.
For 99% of people on tus this changes nothing.
However for that 1% and in extreme circumstances there is no rule and there needs to be one in my opinion.
The mods are not stupid and can take everything into consideration.
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amigo, this is as "invade privacity".
In Worms Armageddon We cant considerate "reputation" as requiriment.
Ppl come here to invent some rules no sense because probably You got a problem with this.
Play who wants against who this person wants.
Where is freedom? Noone must to be forced to play.
Absolutelly no sense, but is not personal, amigo, You know that i like You :-*
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Ok, I completely get what you are saying. This rule will not effect you, however, if someone only plays people he is guaranteed to beat and finishes every season in first, do you think this should be allowed. What if 10 or 20 people started doing this? Do you not think that perhaps this might be a good idea to have a rule in place just in case this happens?
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Ok, I completely get what you are saying. This rule will not effect you, however, if someone only plays people he is guaranteed to beat and finishes every season in first, do you think this should be allowed. What if 10 or 20 people started doing this? Do you not think that perhaps this might be a good idea to have a rule in place just in case this happens?
I guess this someone would have major problems in playoffs
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Ok, I completely get what you are saying. This rule will not effect you, however, if someone only plays people he is guaranteed to beat and finishes every season in first, do you think this should be allowed. What if 10 or 20 people started doing this? Do you not think that perhaps this might be a good idea to have a rule in place just in case this happens?
I guess this someone would have major problems in playoffs
yep, Husk said it, someone might reach PO more easily but they'll never have respect as players and I guess thats what's important in good players, being so "professional" in your attitude to others and to the game that you will receive respect, (talking about RL karma :)
In the same way that no one really cares how many medals LordHound has (had to use one example), everyone in rr acknowledges him as a formidable player, which is the most important, not some .img medals on your profile :P
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Mreh I'm done
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Dese, you're never going to get your smites with posts like those ;D
For the record, dub: I'm fine with you not playing against doubletime, but that's avoiding, pure and simple.
As I posted in the other thread, I personally don't feel for rules about avoiding and your doubletime example shows exactly why.
If we were to implement the rules, we'd have to duck points from you if dt asked you to play and you go on playing someone else afterwards. I'm sure that's not what you're trying to achieve here.
The only way to make any sort of real difference with a no avoiding rule is to go through each case and find out the reason for avoiding; not liking the guy or being afraid to lose? And to be blunt: I have better things to do than figure out people's motivation for not playing certain people :) And most of the times, you can't find out anyway. A noob basher will just claim he doesn't like random and therefore doesn't want to play him. There are no lie detectors on TUS (new feature for 2.0, MI? :)).
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A noob basher will just claim he doesn't like random and therefore doesn't want to play him. There are no lie detectors on TUS (new feature for 2.0, MI? :)).
Hahaha so we will be having an analyzer and a lie detector, awesome :D
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A noob basher will just claim he doesn't like random and therefore doesn't want to play him. There are no lie detectors on TUS (new feature for 2.0, MI? :)).
Hahaha so we will be having an analyzer and a lie detector, awesome :D
That would be something, huh :D didnt mean to shoot you down Dub, suggestions means ppl are thinking ways to improve and refine TUS and thats always welcome :)
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I'm just glad that everyone approves of noob bashing and avoiding. That should definitely be allowed in tus and noway should we ever try to make a rule to try to make sure that it does not happen. :o
Funny, when Random made the thread about the guy that was only playing easy games and challenged him to play 10 games everyone was all over that other guys ass for being an avoider and a noob basher.
Not that you are not entitled to you opinion Des but I don't think this thread was really made for you. You've played a grand total of 3 seasons of tus and 4 clan games. Don't see why you feel so strongly that this rule should not be implemented.
I really don't think noob bashing and avoiding is a big problem on tus, however, if it did become a big problem there should be rules in place to stop it and also discourage it.
Hopefully some people who have been a little more active in leagues throughout the years will give some opinions and suggestions.
Unless you are a noob basher this rule should not have any effect on you.
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We're not saying people should avoid. We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
We don't approve of noob bashing, but the only way we can avoid that is by denying them the possibility of getting in the playoffs. The league system takes care of that, since they'll need to play an inhuman amount of games to qualify.
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I totally agree with Dub-C here, damn Dub, your mind gets better and better everyday cuz you quit drinking ! +1 !
Now, I agree with this because of my mindset and standards for playing Leagues, this League system in any other sport would be a joke, no offence, it's fun and good for this but professionally it sucks, no wonder there is such a gap in amount of games played/streaks/points/etc, and alot of people (including myself for doing BnG only) have statistics that are bullshit compared to their true abilities, I only done BnG cuz well, nowhere else to do it with all these players...
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We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
Why not lol?
If you don't approve of noob bashing then whats the big problem?
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We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
Why not lol?
If you don't approve of noob bashing then whats the big problem?
Isn't noob bashing solved already? I actually don't know how the point system works, but I know that you earn less points for beating players who are weaker than you. Plus there is a restriction of how much games you can play against a person per season.
All this avoiding-or-not doesn't make much sense, unless you reach the PO's. And in the PO's you can't avoid to play your games.
What's the point?
Play cups, if you want professional results. That's how it works in professional sports too, doesn't it?
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Men You are forgetting two essential rules about TUS:
1. If You avoid, You dont get points.
2. If You play against ppl that You have sure to win, ok, You ll get points and You ll improve ur rank. But... the system points tus dont allow advantages in this case. Because the noob gamer ll get a lot of points and when He play against noobs again, He ll get only few points.
Example:
PLAYER A Won NOOB -> 40 - 50 points (depends of the noob's rank)
PLAYER A Won OTHER NOOB -> 30 - 40 points
PLAYER A Won MORE ONE NOOB -> 20 - 30 points
PLAYER A Won ME -> 7 - 20 points (hheuahehueahaea)
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nothing worse than noob bashers and avoiders, death to them both!
Dont see how you can enforce this rule officially though seeing as everyone is free to play who they like when they choose. We can all spot the noob bashers and avoiders though, dont do it if you want a good reputation.
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Nice try to repeat me, Prof, but you missed the point at a point. :)
If you are a noob basher and avoid someone, the point is that you don't lose points. ;)
Long live the points! lol
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but the biggest objetive is not lose points.
The biggest objetive in TUS is get points. For You get points You need to play. For You get a lot lot lot lot lot lot hot lot of points You need to play against the pros like You Prankster.
The secret is that: Play against pros, They ll give You much more points than of noobs.
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Not that you are not entitled to you opinion Des but I don't think this thread was really made for you. You've played a grand total of 3 seasons of tus and 4 clan games. Don't see why you feel so strongly that this rule should not be implemented.
Hopefully some people who have been a little more active in leagues throughout the years will give some opinions and suggestions.
Unless you are a noob basher this rule should not have any effect on you.
well, I'm gonna start as soon as i get back from my summer working in Sept cause Challenges are not enough for me any more :-*
I only played those seasons when I was a noobie as well haha
The fact that we're not so sure about having a strict rule about this doesnt mean we approve of noob bashing though, thats the exact opposite.
Prankster has a point, is there (realistically) a chance for someone to play 2-3 schemes he's good at or only with 30 players he can beat and make it to PO? (I'm asking , I dont claim to know)
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We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
Why not lol?
because *literally repeats his first post on the second page of this thread*.
link (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/avoiding-rule/msg75653/#msg75653).
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We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
Why not lol?
because *literally repeats his first post on the second page of this thread*.
link (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/avoiding-rule/msg75653/#msg75653).
Your sarcasm isn't appreciated. I think its easily enforced. Its was inforced on W2 and there was only one mod there.
I've wasted to much time on this thread already I'm done with it.
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how about a "search for an opponent" button for tus classic, tel, trl and freeleague seperate buttons and when u click one of them u would be randomly paired with someone who else aswell has the button active? maybe this would prevent avoidings a bit? this is just a rough idea, maybe this could lead to something?
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We're saying we can't enforce rules against avoiding.
Why not lol?
because *literally repeats his first post on the second page of this thread*.
link (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/avoiding-rule/msg75653/#msg75653).
Your sarcasm isn't appreciated. I think its easily enforced. Its was inforced on W2 and there was only one mod there.
I've wasted to much time on this thread already I'm done with it.
My example of you having to lose points because you refuse to play doubletime was not sarcasm. I assumed you didn't read my post, because my post clearly answered the question you asked before you asked it.
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how about a "search for an opponent" button for tus classic, tel, trl and freeleague seperate buttons and when u click one of them u would be randomly paired with someone who else aswell has the button active? maybe this would prevent avoidings a bit? this is just a rough idea, maybe this could lead to something?
Didn't TPL have something like this? Gigaliga also had it.. It's a nice feature to have imo. :)
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Yea, right. It was always a secret against who you have to play next.
ESL had it too, btw (Quick-Challenge).
Just do it with two options. Searching for any opponent or for some1 in your range of points.
That would be really nice! :)
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how about a "search for an opponent" button for tus classic, tel, trl and freeleague seperate buttons and when u click one of them u would be randomly paired with someone who else aswell has the button active? maybe this would prevent avoidings a bit? this is just a rough idea, maybe this could lead to something?
Didn't TPL have something like this? Gigaliga also had it.. It's a nice feature to have imo. :)
hmmm i think TPL had something like this putinho.
i think this could work something like:
you want to play tus then you go at tus site and somehow u press or put ur name in some place to say u r looking for a tus league game, so if theres someone already in this the system would pair and tell you to play this person.
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how about a "search for an opponent" button for tus classic, tel, trl and freeleague seperate buttons and when u click one of them u would be randomly paired with someone who else aswell has the button active? maybe this would prevent avoidings a bit? this is just a rough idea, maybe this could lead to something?
Didn't TPL have something like this? Gigaliga also had it.. It's a nice feature to have imo. :)
oh =P didn't know that, because I was in the army while TPL was up and running and giga I never played =D good to hear its been done before so maybe it could be a rational feature
Yea, right. It was always a secret against who you have to play next.
ESL had it too, btw (Quick-Challenge).
Just do it with two options. Searching for any opponent or for some1 in your range of points.
That would be really nice! :)
yea that would be cool
edit: oh and there would be log of players paired recently, so everyone could see if someone tries to avoid even with this system in place lol, also if 2 players would fail to play their games, the system would require an explanation (as a topic in complaints forum)
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2nd part of Husks post above is an interesting idea. Ambitious, but interesting :)
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I take the time to write up an idea for a rule, which makes nothing but sense and try to explain why it would be a good idea and I get smited. I'm done posting on tus.
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Don't give in to the trolls. ;)
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but the biggest objetive is not lose points.
Is it? I thought the biggest objective was to win the PO.
And why do people keep saying if we wanna play our friends and avoid people we don't like we can cuz we enjoy funners with friends, fair enough, I agree, but, why don't you just play non-league games then?
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All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
Lets drinking some chocolate and be happy :-*
but the biggest objetive is not lose points.
Is it? I thought the biggest objective was to win the PO.
And why do people keep saying if we wanna play our friends and avoid people we don't like we can cuz we enjoy funners with friends, fair enough, I agree, but, why don't you just play non-league games then?
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hm im still sceptic about a rule like this but stuff like this: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/game-108664-fake-free-win/msg117495/?topicseen#new
shows theres a need for it. people should be forced to play when they already agreed playing someone.
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A solution could be limiting games against a player to like 4-5, so you need to face lots of players to reach 80 games and playoffs. Or you could just use an alias nick to ask tus and then show your real nick when they accept, lol. Same thing couldn't be done with clanners, cause there are just 4-5 active clans playing tus.
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A solution could be limiting games against a player to like 4-5, so you need to face lots of players to reach 80 games and playoffs. Or you could just use an alias nick to ask tus and then show your real nick when they accept, lol. Same thing couldn't be done with clanners, cause there are just 4-5 active clans playing tus.
unfortunately that doesn't work anymore (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/game-108664-fake-free-win/)
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All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
Lets drinking some chocolate and be happy :-*
phanton and respect made the PO a couple of times noobashing like if there was not a tomorrow lol
so , theres no way we can leave this kind of guys alone
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All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
Lets drinking some chocolate and be happy :-*
phanton and respect made the PO a couple of times noobashing like if there was not a tomorrow lol
so , theres no way we can leave this kind of guys alone
what u say about me?
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i always looking tus in ag . I agree thats really noobasher use priv easy opponent. I see much game where some players play vs new register player. There were cases of incitement to signing up and playing league.
and the next time you say something about me, think about
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All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
Lets drinking some chocolate and be happy :-*
phanton and respect made the PO a couple of times noobashing like if there was not a tomorrow lol
so , theres no way we can leave this kind of guys alone
what u say about me?
what u read
anyway im not saying u keep doing it, but u did it , u even were first for a long time in standing in a season
and the next time you say something about me, think about
think about what , is that some kind of threat? xDD!
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It sounded weird. though an allusion to me. I do not like when someone breaks my opinions, not much like it is. Indeed, such practices are really embarrassing, I agree with this but offended, insulted me your word, "not leave people like respect".
and why you think that my presence in the OP was noobska. I think for that? think I'm worse than you? can not understand?
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sorry but couldnt understand what u said at all
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sorry but couldnt understand what u said at all
ok, thats eng translator xd
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All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
Lets drinking some chocolate and be happy :-*
phanton and respect made the PO a couple of times noobashing like if there was not a tomorrow lol
so , theres no way we can leave this kind of guys alone
guaton go get some sleep, you're drunk
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/356p2.png)
Nuff said. :D
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hahahahahhah!!! i know who ill vote best all arounder next awards ;D
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/356p2.png)
Nuff said. :D
lol xd
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ROFL darkz hahaha! who played those games?? too lazy to search on phone
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hmm dunno i never play with this guy
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shoulda known it was phantom haha