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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: Husk on February 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
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would it be good that u and ur opponent could each ban 1 scheme before picking schemes to play? this way there wont be all those topics asking hyst to be removed from classic
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i guess make deals b4 the games start is always the best way to play a tus single.
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would it be good that u and ur opponent could each ban 1 scheme before picking schemes to play? this way there wont be all those topics asking hyst to be removed from classic
That would be against any sense of an overall league, which the classic league is. The discussion about hysteria schemes are almost as old as the scheme itself, there were numerous thread about it in the past, it always turned out that there as many people for keeping the scheme as there are against it.
And personally i think there's nothing worse than people asking for "TUS any1, all schemes except hyst?", or "TUS hyst any1?". Really lame. I want to pick what i want to pick, and not the schemes my opponent is good at.
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I hate t17
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would it be good that u and ur opponent could each ban 1 scheme before picking schemes to play? this way there wont be all those topics asking hyst to be removed from classic
That would be against any sense of an overall league, which the classic league is. The discussion about hysteria schemes are almost as old as the scheme itself, there were numerous thread about it in the past, it always turned out that there as many people for keeping the scheme as there are against it.
And personally i think there's nothing worse than people asking for "TUS any1, all schemes except hyst?", or "TUS hyst any1?". Really lame. I want to pick what i want to pick, and not the schemes my opponent is good at.
they would be asking "tus any?" in ag...
then one of u guys host, and u ban 1 scheme, he/she bans 1 scheme... u pick 1 scheme, he/she picks 1 scheme... simple =)
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But why play classic league then when i can't pick every scheme. :( Banning one each will already be 2 schemes out of 8 excluded.
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if u r a 1-tricky-pony and all ur rating comes from rr for example, then people can shut u down by banning ur favourite scheme
or... if u feel like ur opponent is a noob and wants to try a lucky win in hysteria, u can ban hysteria and secure ur win over the lesser skilled player
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I have been meaning to post this exact same idea...
I'm sick of people picking hyst.. Its almost all anyone picks vs me.. its going to drive me away from tus singles very quickly, hyst is responsible for 80% of my losses..
Chakk, you make a great point, and if you think about it, its in favor of this new rule.. As you said, this is an overallleague.. So if anyone bans a scheme from me, i have 4 or 5 others im happy to pick.
Here's the thing chakk, if your a guy who enjoys all schemes you do not have to eliminate one, if you and i play, and i eliminate hyst, your not forced to cancel one out.. You just say all else is fine, and pick your scheme...
So, in some cases there will be 7 schemes to choose from, some cases 6... But what's the problem? Only 5 are played in playoffs, remember?
This really would be a great rule...you may even see more activity by it.. From news that refuse to play tus because they don't want to rr, or from old schools who can't stand hyst..
I think this rule can bring plenty of Good, i don't see anything bad..
I just know tus will lose me very soon if something is not done about hyst
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Well avi, I agree it's a good idea, but the general activity of WA/TuS isn't enough.
For example, I am strongest at BnG/Hysteria/Roper, and not so strong at the other 5, I never practise them, I only play them when it's 2v2 clanner.
There are many many players like me who are good in 2/3 schemes, and not the rest.
People can only play this game in the spare time they have from School/College/Uni/Work/Women/etc...
I think it's very unfair to allow this option based on some people have more time available to practise all the schemes than others.
Even if you said "Yeah well it's their responsibility to make sure they have time to practise all schemes", I still think it's unfair, in some countries it's harder to make good money for a living and so they may have to work longer hours, or their parents are rich and they don't really have to work, or they don't care about school and spend time on WA instead of doing homework.
I think it's safe to say making a living/working towards a stable future deserves a higher priority than playing a game.
Also, why should someone be able to ban a scheme and perhaps even force them to choose a scheme where they can't even win as much points?
Think about it, for example in TuS singles it's me vs barman, I am the only person he can win good points in BnG, so to improve his overall rating he could pick this as also he's one of the few people capable of beating me, but ooooooh, wait, what's this, FU BARMAN, I BAN BNG MWUahuAHUa ! Now as he has WAY more points than me for other schemes, I just need to win 1 scheme to come out on top here...
It's a kind-hearted idea, but I don't think it's suitable for TuS.
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heres comes komo, jumping in a topic just for the sake of a debate..
talking about nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic, and taking any chance he can to talk about how amazing he is in bng!!
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avi, I make a good point lol.
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wouldnt be easier to just LEARN how to play hyst instead?
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no, everyone for example would play only tus hysteria and get in PO without have playng other schemes.
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nah, it's bad idea, I wouldn't pick my favourite scheme then, or my oppoents would block scheme which gives me most points. You wouldn't see players like chelsea playing ttrr anymore xD
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no, everyone for example would play only tus hysteria and get in PO without have playng other schemes.
Well, this is why we should have a balanced percentage, a limit of schemes played.
I've suggested it before, for example a player can only pick a scheme up to 25% of their picks, once they reach 25% they can no longer pick this until they pick few other schemes. Doesn't have to be 25% though.
And anyway, if someone gets in PO this way, they won't win lol, and I honestly think the MODs should be clever enough to punish players who do this, because it's obvious when someone is doing it.
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why? if someone is good in one scheme and he really likes it, it gives him fun it's ok. Why should it be forbridden?
And who talks it? Komo? Guy whoes only pick is bng?
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Only pick is BnG? What world are you living in LOL, most of my games for Q are other picks.
Guess you numpties should do your research before failing all the time :)
And before when I played Singles, I made PO but I checked the box so I didn't take part in them, because imo I didn't deserve it, because I only wanted to play BnG competitively and there was nowhere else for me to do this lol.
But either way is fine with me, I don't care if people abuse schemes like this cuz they will get owned in PO anyway and it doesn't affect me lol.
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Who cares about clanners?
Your only pick was bng, you even spammed AG in looking for tus bng.
Check your stats.
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Who cares about clanners?
Your only pick was bng, you even spammed AG in looking for tus bng.
Check your stats.
Did you not read what I just said? I didn't participate in PO... I played just BnG because that's all I wanted, other people clearly avoid, and I always put my best effort into other players pick.
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if you gained PO you should participate in them, you didn't steal these points but fairly won ;)
I know there are players like chelsea who look for tus only by pm spamming newbies, but you can't change this, they will never win PO anyway.
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Maciej, it would be completely lame if I done that, it's an Overall League and I only wanted to parcipate in the BnG Standings, in fact, the only reason I started playing TuS League was to see how fast I could get to #1 for BnG, which was under 48 or 72 hours I think lol, maybe it was 4 days? Who cares anyway lol.
Because I had so many points some people would try to pick BnG against me because in 2 games total they would lose less than 10 points if they lose, so 60-70% of all my games are BnG.
So if there was a guy who played all schemes evenly, and would make PO if I don't participate, then I won't particpate, it's only fair I reckon.
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for me it's not problem which way you get PO, as long as it's fair way, and your was. But if you feel this like that.
what about 'overall player' whoes opponents are mostly guess guys? That's still fair way, but real lame...
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What's with this new trend of brainstorming?
Don't think there's much to change tbh.
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o cool, more opportunity for komo to tell us how great he is in bng
please komo tell us more!
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LOL I knew you'd bite avi !
I remembered you said something about me always talking about BnG so thought i'd put that in there especially for you babe !
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i guess make deals b4 the games start is always the best way to play a tus single.
True words.
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The idea of banning 1 scheme isn't good. It just helps noobish avoiders who try to get more points without being an allrounder. Pointwhores are lame and the avoiders car isn't big enough for so many haters who lost the fun already and mainly play for points and not for fun.
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And real pro people would pick the schemes where the opponent is high ranked anyway, because it is a much more interesting game and they would get much more points for the victory.
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So my idea is, just don't play vs lamers who try bad noobbashing or practise all schemes ;)
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For clanners I can say that the clanner points should be calculated via the people who play and not via the clanrank in a scheme. I remember the avoiding where noobs in bad clans weren't allowed to play because it would cost too much - for that wanna be pro clans ...
and that's sad.
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I think the people should be intelligent enough to arrange games where everybody can have fun!
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You could even ask for special tus games, like sx mario who keeps asking for tus bng.
Then you get that games which you want and all is good.
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would it be good that u and ur opponent could each ban 1 scheme before picking schemes to play? this way there wont be all those topics asking hyst to be removed from classic
what happened if ur oponent wants 3 rrtt for example and u agreed too? D:
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they wouldn't ban rr then =D if they both wanted to play it
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yeah komo, im sure....
dennis, i agree about the clanners... i dont know if its possible to code that, im sure there is a way.. but it would make sense to have points calculated by the team your playing... a clan should not win as much points vs me and nino and a ttrr, as they should win vs sirj and statik.
thats been an issue i been thinking about for a while...
after all, there is an option to analyze with specific players of a clan, but the points stay the same no matter what... this should be fixed...
ok komo, now come here and disagree, and tell us how good you are
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Dude, I am right, you are wrong, I am just awesome, ken...
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yeah komo, im sure....
dennis, i agree about the clanners... i dont know if its possible to code that, im sure there is a way.. but it would make sense to have points calculated by the team your playing... a clan should not win as much points vs me and nino and a ttrr, as they should win vs sirj and statik.
thats been an issue i been thinking about for a while...
after all, there is an option to analyze with specific players of a clan, but the points stay the same no matter what... this should be fixed...
ok komo, now come here and disagree, and tell us how good you are
whats the point having clans then avi? its a f@#!ing teamgame, imagine the bulls would gain double points everytime rose is injured ;D
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Wait I never even read all avi's post until peja quoted it, it's a great idea, I am sure I mentioned it over a year ago.
When cFc were losing mega points for BnGs when I wasn't around before madog joined, that's when I suggested it, but I even think avi was one of the guys telling me to shutup moaning about BnG lol...
But yeah, you can pick specific players in the analyzer but it doesn't even work, it's a really good idea with one setback.
Players like Anubis/Mablak, are obviously very good at this game, but they don't play singles so they don't have a rating, I think that is when I mentioned get the analyzer focused on the players clanner records/statistics and not their singles.
So basically let's say an oldschool player wants to come back, let's say shadymilkman for example I know he would shake of the rust in no time, so I am guessing he hasn't played any clanners so he would start with default rating mixed with whatever his partner has, then that is when his rating changes, even when you change clans it would still focus on YOU'RE ratings for 2v2 clanners for each scheme.
Edit: The players would have individual ratings, but it wouldn't be the same as the clans rating.
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peja, you will still lose points as a clan... no doubt
but you should not lose as many points...
do you think its fair that if clan beats me and nino in a ttrr, they get mega points for their clan?? i dont think so...
do you think its fair if you beat komo and anubis in bng (even though it will still be hard) that you get the same amount of points as if you beat komo and barman (almost impossible) ((because komo is so good in bng, he got 1st place in bng singles in less then 4 hours))
i dunno, just a suggestion ;D
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To ask if Peja thinks is probably a rhetorical question and offtopic which doesn't belong here (Sorry, I wanna have some fun too in this maybe becoming drama topic) (http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9643/fieslachen7fd.gif)
Of course it's very good to make things more fair.
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stop to write new posts in so short time, I need to watch this topic like 10x during half an hour
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peja, you will still lose points as a clan... no doubt
but you should not lose as many points...
do you think its fair that if clan beats me and nino in a ttrr, they get mega points for their clan?? i dont think so...
do you think its fair if you beat komo and anubis in bng (even though it will still be hard) that you get the same amount of points as if you beat komo and barman (almost impossible) ((because komo is so good in bng, he got 1st place in bng singles in less then 4 hours))
i dunno, just a suggestion ;D
indeed they deserve avi for a simple reason. stats dont show the best 2 players, they show the average of your team. i could also ask why your clan deserves this mega rating when your lineup is unbalanced.
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(http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/failure_cat5.gif)
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peja, you will still lose points as a clan... no doubt
but you should not lose as many points...
do you think its fair that if clan beats me and nino in a ttrr, they get mega points for their clan?? i dont think so...
do you think its fair if you beat komo and anubis in bng (even though it will still be hard) that you get the same amount of points as if you beat komo and barman (almost impossible) ((because komo is so good in bng, he got 1st place in bng singles in less then 4 hours))
i dunno, just a suggestion ;D
indeed they deserve avi for a simple reason. stats dont show the best 2 players, they show the average of your team. i could also ask why your clan deserves this mega rating when your lineup is unbalanced.
Peja, that's wrong. It could only show the average of your team if every member had the same quantity of games. But actually pros are pros because they mainly play more often. It is pejathetic if not everybody of a clan is allowed to play because the opponents get in the worst case for a "freewin" the same points as if they would play vs the pros who mainly play.