The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: avirex on August 06, 2013, 02:06 AM
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impo said if you put a banner on the site for some advertisement you can earn money..
is this true??
i think you should do it Monkey, im sure there is some company willing to pay because this site gets plenty of hits...
also, we can all click on it frequently, to make the company think its actually working ;)
i would not mind having a banner or 2, or even several... pop-ups even!! f@#! it!! the more money the better!!
money will no doubt bring more activity, higher level of play, and even some old schoolers back....
25% can go to the house (tus web-site and staff)
25% to singles
50% to clanners (because it would have to be divided among all members..
or some variation of that... whats everyone think?!!
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I don't mind, I use adblocker anyway. :P
I would rather donate directly to MI, maybe pay a subscription fee for every season in which I played.
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yeah i just come here to make a topic about this.
Even now (when tus site doesnt have alot of visitors etc, still 50 guests at 5 am) with some good gaming advertisment for example we'll earn 4-5$ per day (i dont have access to the tus stats so i really dunno) , and whole classic season takes 2 months => 60 days, so its 5*60=300$ every season, 150$ for clan winner. Isnt 150$ a reason for CF to play another classic season?
and for rich bitches like anubis we can make option, donate some money and you'll get adds removed (for one season xD)
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nobody has any opinion about this???
what about you MonkeyIsland.... are you open to the idea? or not interested.
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yeah thats the first time in life when Im really interest in MI's opinion and waiting for him
And also would be nice if you share some tus stats (unique visitors per day and pages loaded per day)
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MI, it can be good for TUS. With the money you earned from you can advertise TUS to some other gaming sites.
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also, we can all click on it frequently, to make the company think its actually working ;)
i would not mind having a banner or 2, or even several... pop-ups even!! f@#! it!! the more money the better!!
That is a great idea, but I think we should all try to find some companies/sponsors for it.
The most important thing is that what can we offer them (statistical data, visitors per day/week/month, how long will stay their banner, may call one season by sponsors name...), what will be their benefits...
This is only for start, but making some first example of offer should be great if anyone could make it.. just to see it.
Don't forget TAX :)
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yeah thats the first time in life when Im really interest in MI's opinion and waiting for him
Aww I'm feeling so warm and cozy inside :-*
And also would be nice if you share some tus stats (unique visitors per day and pages loaded per day)
According to Google Analytics, TUS has average of 300 unique visitors per day. According to TUS, at least 150 users log in per day.
For the last month we've had 78% returning users and 22% new visitors.
The pageview stats of Google Analytics is much different from TUS stats itself.
Around 10k hits per day (we've had a decrease in the past month to 6k) while TUS's goes over 50k. (TUS is counting search engines too)
Right now: 59 Guests, 15 Users (30 Spiders)
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ok Monkey... thnx for the statistics but also share your opinion.
what do you think about having banners for profit???
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looking at stats I think 500$ per 2 months is easy to get, and once tus become popular again it will be not hard to earn 1000$ per 2 months, we just need to add the adds exactly where they should be and with certain theme about gaming like "buy new razor keyboards" and blabla
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As long as ads don't bother members, I think it's OK.
Google ads in your mind?
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ok, if MonkeyIsland is in favor of this...
and no members have any objections lets get this ball rolling...
Impo you seem to know a lot about this, whats the first step we take... and as you said in more popular months we will earn more money... (during WO, obviously there is less activity)
and once we start putting rewards on singles and clanner seasons, we will get an increase in activity as well, and then maybe we can even advertise the game, and the league more... i know if i win, i would donate my winnings to advertisement...
im excited about this, im surprised free and his cronies are not here... wheres the worms armageddon promotion projects guys??
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we can start to earn money for season #34 from now on
first off MI gotta make account on web money or smth like that to keep all that money. Or maybe something with outisde interface so that would allow us to see how much is the budget of season, that would motivate players alot ;D
Then MI gotta put adds he would like to use on site, the only thing id like to say is that it should have theme which every wormer would like to checkout, something about gaming I guess. And ofc adds should pop-up on every page of the site.
sounds simple on theory but who knows how it will turn out, anyway its worth a shot
alot of work for MI but nobody will worry if he take some money he earned on his site :P
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so what do we have to do?? Email companies and ask if they are willing to pay TUS to put banners on our site??
explain to them what we are, and the hits we get, etc?? what is going rate for something like that?? weekly fee? monthly fee? would we get extra if ppl actually click on the links??
Monkey, do you know how to go about this?
maybe somone can type up exactly what to say to companies, then i will start to email different gaming companies and see if anyone is interested...
who has good spelling grammar to type something up ae??
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the only thing id like to say is that it should have theme which every wormer would like to checkout, something about gaming I guess
or porn, every fos member will click it
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targets:
gaming
automobiles
sneakers/clothing
music
porn
if someone can type up a proposal, i will get to work emailing several companies.
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you guys want to introduce money while we dont even a working infracstructure in this league?
-we still dont have a rule for lagouts in 2 vs 2 games,
we still have a non working information policy:
people put wrong schemes cos somehow they dont read announcements, rules for leagues and schemes are spread all over this homepage in a very confusing way (for example the current linked bng scheme doesnt even include rules>> as a newcomer you are basicly forced to find the old scheme.)
imo we should fix these things first.
on the topic: i kinda dislike the idea people are motivated in their hobby cos they can earn money. but more activity and challenge is always a good thing. having ads would be fine for me, doesnt really bother.
pros:
- will probably increase activity
- motivate players to increase their skillset
contras:
- more drama (money always causes drama xD, exept u do it in a small seperated group like ea)
- many people already stopped playing the league because of a very competitive style of playing.
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maybe we can bough referee on PO now? xD
We dont need to email companies, put advertisment on site isnt that hard
https://www.google.com.ua/?gws_rd=cr#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=137930f2400b298d&q=advertisement+on+my+site&safe=off
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how is there not a rule for lagouts??? and screw the bng scheme ;p
obviously introducing money to the league would be mainly for the pros... i dont think that newbs that dont know what the bng rules are, have a shot to win any money...
but it will give them incentive to learn, and become pro...
but peja, if you think there are problems with-in the site, and think they should be fixed, you should tell monkeyisland how to fix them, rather then just saying they should be fixed.
ontopic: i see your pros.. a con is that there may be more drama, sure people will take it more seriously, but i dont think that its going to be a huge increase in drama... we have fair players, that are always going to play fair.. and we have drama queen, complaint whores.. i wont say any names...
as far as people not playing because ppl take the league to serious, thats not a valid complaint... if they wont wanna take league seriously then they should not be in it to begin with... maybe their views would change if money was introduced tho.
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Peja hit all the nails on the head there.
It's a nice idea, but this League is nowhere near strict enough, or professional enough, to handle such a thing.
And it isn't worth having annoying popups unless we have things running smoothly and efficiently.
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well avi i would be glad if you would check for informations just 1 f@#!ing time before you start talking xD.
well just for you although you could have done it by yourself:
2) Lag-outs
If one player lags out and returns to the given channel, the game should be continued with handicap or restarted.
If a game is lagging, do not quit. Quitting means you surrender. If a game lags out, let it lag out.
If a player lags out and is not seen online 10 minutes later, then the game is taken care of by the following rules:
If it was the first game, then the game should not be reported, rather played at another time.
If it was the second game and the loser of the first game was seemingly losing the second game too, it can be reported. At any other occasion the moderators will decide about the outcome of the game, after it is posted to the forum's League Complaints section.
Moderators will never decide about the outcome of a game considering the skills of the players. Always the state of the game is what the moderators consider.
all these rules work only for singles. we dont have a sepecific rule how to handle lagouts of 1 player in clanners.guess i dont need to remind you on barmans aggressive torchxD
furthermore there are also more questions, like at which point its useless to continue playing when someone keeps dropping.
its annoying but ok having these flaws right now. but if we get seriously paid for winning a league, (doesnt matter if its just about small earnings) we should have clear strict rules.
next point:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/placing-all-league-rules-easy-reachable-on-tus-page-21013/
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Why would I read into something I already know?
Those rules easily translate into 2v2. .. barman should have surr on that torch, we all know his intention was not to resume the game, but the fact of the matter is that he did make an aggressive move... at the time I thought it was bs, but looking back at it with a level head mods most likely made the right choice.
This game has too many variables and unpredictable events to have a written rule fr every single situation. Otherwise we would have a rule book a thousand pages long that no 1 would read...
If you f feel strongly about a certain aspect of the rules that is not perfect, you should write up the rules for it, and ask for it to be looked over and approved by a complaint mod... rather then just pulling a 'ray' and pointing out what wrong with no motivation to fix it
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Google adwords is the way to go :) not very intrusive, won't make the site slower, and they're reliable.
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avirex all i did was making an analyze saying: we are not ready yet. i made suggestions in the past etc and i will keep doing it. but i dont want to go this shit total offtopic so i just said: we have to fix other things first.
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i know what you did peja, i dont agree with you at all... thats all...
but to each their own. as komo says everytime he is wrong "everyone has their own opinion"
;D
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my biggest problem is disconnections, make it so u can reconnect to the game after u dc.
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i agree that not every rule is not crystal clear, and i agree mostly with husk, that disconnects will be painful..
but if we are not ready now, after 12 years of w:a or however long its been, we are never going to be ready..
maybe some rules are not exactly great, and maybe lagouts are an extreme pain in the ass, but like i said.. this game has too many variables to put each situation on paper... thats exactly why we have mods
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ok.. so if some people dont think that the league is ready to introduce money, because some rules are not on point.. i can respect that...
but i think we can still have advertisements, and start to earn money... i mean, why not??
MonkeyIsland can finally start earning money for all his work, and with MI's blessing, we can start putting the money towards other things, that benefit the entire community.
advertising the game to other gaming communities, having smaller tournaments hosted by TUS, with small cash prizes, making donations to Cybershadow, and DeadCode for all their work, maybe having some sort of raffles for nice keyboards, or tournaments for keyboards, or buying w:a for interested newbs (through steam) or we can save the money, and do even bigger things (WormsCon type things)
maybe have a committee that can discuss how the money is split up each season...
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yeah thats nice idea
We can make tourneys and put W:A key on steam as a prize, not only wormers will be interest in such tourneys.
I have another idea. There is alot of guests on site, lets try to pop-up advertisment only for guests first, if it will bring enough money i think we can stuck to this type of advertisment (adds will force guests to register which is another bonus for tus), if we wont earn much with this, then everyone gotta enjoy adds i guess :D
so, MI, do you have any suggestion? When you gonna put the adds? Google adds is fine i think
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maybe having some sort of raffles for nice keyboards, or tournaments for keyboards, or buying w:a for interested newbs (through steam) or we can save the money, and do even bigger things (WormsCon type things)
Those are some great ideas !
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[anything avirex says]
Those are some great ideas !
Holy shit! It's the Apocalypse!
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist :)
Nice ideas, in all, but as far as I've read, MI hasn't even decided on the advertisements yet :) I see you've given it some thought in terms of organisation, as well. Does that mean this committee is in charge of sending gifts/prizes as well?
They tried this a while back with ESL (http://wormtube.worms2d.info/53/esl_shoppa_league_teaser) and Gigaliga, too. Clearly there's an advantage now with WA being on sale on steam, but if your idea of this is to get a bigger audience/playing ground, how do you think that could be made to work?
(Don't take these questions as a "cranky DarkOne disapproves" btw, I'm asking because you have made me curious :))
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There is always something we have to start with, right? Making tourneys and stuff with many prizes and all is no doubt a hard work but we doesnt even talking about this now, its simply about putting adds on site somewhere to see how it will turn out, how much money we can earn etc
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You know how you have those 2 things that flicks through peoples good shots and turns etc, WO and stuff...
Could put some ads that pop up there once in a while, it would look kinda cool actually.
"You know Husk right?.."
"Sponsored by Wonderbra..."
:D
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[anything avirex says]
Those are some great ideas !
Holy shit! It's the Apocalypse!
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist :)
Nice ideas, in all, but as far as I've read, MI hasn't even decided on the advertisements yet :) I see you've given it some thought in terms of organisation, as well. Does that mean this committee is in charge of sending gifts/prizes as well?
They tried this a while back with ESL (http://wormtube.worms2d.info/53/esl_shoppa_league_teaser) and Gigaliga, too. Clearly there's an advantage now with WA being on sale on steam, but if your idea of this is to get a bigger audience/playing ground, how do you think that could be made to work?
(Don't take these questions as a "cranky DarkOne disapproves" btw, I'm asking because you have made me curious :))
bahhaha nice post from start to finish!!
i cant really answer that question right now... like impo said though, it will start with bringing in money, i think MonkeyIsland kind of approved... he just as always wants to see how others feel about this...
as far is if the committee is in charge of sending gifts/prizes... thats also something that can be dealt with at a later date, obviously Monkey is in charge of the first payment, how he decides to split it up after that would be up to him. (how much goes to himself/staff/ and website, and how much goes to the committee to award to the community, and other things)
but yeah, i think "the head of the committee" can take responsibility of the money, create an account for Monkey to put the money in. obviously we want want someone trusted, and just one single person for this roll (assuming Monkey does not want to be bothered with this)
i just wanna get the ball rolling on this... if Monkey Supports it (does not seem like there is anyone totally against the ads) then he should go ahead and put ads on the site, and start collecting (i have no idea how, or what to do with that or i would help)
once money starts coming in, i think there will be more people with interest on where it should go, and some cool ideas to do with it... i think "worms promotion" community would get involved also..
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....
tus ordinary day:
oohh community is diying, no one plays clanners, old schoolers leave us, its so hard to find tus on ag now
the day that could be revolutional on worms armageddon:
oh it will make too much drama we dont really need money, ofc it will bring tus to the new level and all but it also make alot of complaints
the next day:
oohh community is diying, no one plays clanners, old schoolers leave us, its so hard to find tus on ag now *crying* *crying*
fk u guys lol
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impo is right.... everyone is always with the same complaints, and dont get me wrong.. they are mostly valid complaints...
now there is something that no doubt will bring a change for the better, and no one wants to get involved... its really shocking.
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There are several things suggested around to improve the league but only a few people on everytopic get involved and I understand that it does not motive MI.
Here are some suggestions:
1) Ad => prize (this topic)
2) Matchmaking
3) sound on personal/group shoutbox + mumble like voice press to speak
4) Add more scheme to tus classic league and use weight on them based on skills needed.
5) karma change (mix between stackoverflow and game forums)
6) redesign rules display and site layout.
I am not saying I agree to all of them but I am pointing out that several suggestion with some that I believe are good has been posted but the community being older and more "purist" does not really accept any change even if it is for the best (league experiment failure prove it for me).
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There are several things suggested around to improve the league but only a few people on everytopic get involved and I understand that it does not motive MI.
Here are some suggestions:
1) Ad => prize: I'm on it. I'm in Iran and I can't provide Iranian address for things like Google Ad. So I'm looking to find a solution.
2) Matchmaking: I'm on it since the day I posted on that thread.
3) sound on personal/group shoutbox + mumble like voice press to speak: It is actually done and working. But the whole shoutbox is getting rewritten, so you have to wait till the whole thing is done. Not the mumble though.
4) Add more scheme to tus classic league and use weight on them based on skills needed: Nothing on this.
5) karma change (mix between stackoverflow and game forums) Nothing on this.
6) redesign rules display and site layout: This is pending, it was an ongoing process. But people who were involved are taking things slow.
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1) Ad => prize: I'm on it. I'm in Iran and I can't provide Iranian address for things like Google Ad. So I'm looking to find a solution.
2) Matchmaking: I'm on it since the day I posted on that thread.
3) sound on personal/group shoutbox + mumble like voice press to speak: It is actually done and working. But the whole shoutbox is getting rewritten, so you have to wait till the whole thing is done. Not the mumble though.
4) Add more scheme to tus classic league and use weight on them based on skills needed: Nothing on this.
5) karma change (mix between stackoverflow and game forums) Nothing on this.
6) redesign rules display and site layout: This is pending, it was an ongoing process. But people who were involved are taking things slow.
1) Makes sense now, no problem thats not the thing we gotta hurry on anyway
2) I bet with money prizes there will be much easier to find tus on ag. However mix of matchmaking+money prizes seems really awesome
3) i personally dont carea about this
4) i dont think we need more classic league schemes
5) i dont care about karma
6) i could help with some rules, i have big knowlege with game mechanic like drops etc