The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Wormkit Modules => Topic started by: Albus on September 20, 2021, 01:34 PM
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The idea is a wish I've seen in many other players. Being able to play at your favorite resolution, and at the same time zoom in (or change resolution) when you need it during the game (see better some pixels etc.), would be awesome.
I use the windows magnifying glass (windows key + R), but the problem is that the windows magnifying glass (image below) doesn't work across all the corners of the game screen.
(https://i.imgur.com/jKLXzjn.png)
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StepS made a module for worms 2 and wwp called ReSolution
it lets you zoom just like that, but according to the worms.2d page W:A's chat window was causing issues with its function and so is not supported, im not sure how easy a fix it would be but its definately been tried before.
edit: link
https://worms2d.info/ReSolution
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StepS made a module for worms 2 and wwp called ReSolution
it lets you zoom just like that, but according to the worms.2d page W:A's chat window was causing issues with its function and so is not supported, im not sure how easy a fix it would be but its definately been tried before.
edit: link
https://worms2d.info/ReSolution
Very interesting information. Since it's open source, maybe someone who understands the subject can use some information and do something similar in WA!? I don't understand these things so I may be talking nonsense (since it's two different games with different codes). I'm just guessing.
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Imagine zooming in and out in real time with mouse scroll and hold Home to restore default zoom.
One can only dream! :D
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afaik there was a mention that WA renders things differently unlike W2 and WWP, which is why ReSolution is not a thing in WA
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I'd consider zooming into a worm or view any bigger (expanding the screen to see pixels) more than the green biggest original resolution to be considered cheating. If the scrolling of res is pre-set to the resolutions in the worm options then I think this wouldn't be so bad.
But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.
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But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.
The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.
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But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.
The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.
It shouldn't even get to that, it should be banned from league schemes because of the advantage it can give a player to win a game verse those not used it. If both players agree it still shouldn't be allowed because its like allow both players to cheat. That shouldn't make it legal.
All these modules you are advocating for are to help you win games outside of the defined official programming of the game. Therefore it's a cheat.
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But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.
The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.
It shouldn't even get to that, it should be banned from league schemes because of the advantage it can give a player to win a game verse those not used it. If both players agree it still shouldn't be allowed because its like allow both players to cheat. That shouldn't make it legal.
All these modules you are advocating for are to help you win games outside of the defined official programming of the game. Therefore it's a cheat.
You are you are treating me as a cheater. Cheater is the one who breaks the rules of the game, right? Please tell me which TUS rule I am breaking so you can call me a cheater.
Everyone has the right to suggest game modules and changes to the game. If you think I'm suggesting this because it's going to increase my chances of winning, that's a pretty frivolous conclusion of yours about me. I
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But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.
The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.
It shouldn't even get to that, it should be banned from league schemes because of the advantage it can give a player to win a game verse those not used it. If both players agree it still shouldn't be allowed because its like allow both players to cheat. That shouldn't make it legal.
All these modules you are advocating for are to help you win games outside of the defined official programming of the game. Therefore it's a cheat.
Pretty much this, but with a certain twist I want to mention. I whole heartedly advocate what Albus is saying because I find this very useful - as well as a mean to better understand certain techniques - however... There's a fair chunk of skill in official games involving mine hats and such, and a module would be detrimental in that regard since you're overwhelmingly simplifying the mechanic, that's undeniable. I'm 120% ok with it being implemented for funners and I actually encourage it just like Albus suggested (i.e. with a module akin to /arrows which notifies the players of it being used) BUT not on clanners, cups, leagues, etc. And at this point, we should address the pink elephant in the room. Windows' Magnifying Glass exists and it has been confirmed to be used by professionals too (i.e. Albus and Dario for example, although I bet none of them constantly rely upon it) - and that means that a way to achieve that, already exists to begin with. So it's not a matter of cheating or not anymore. You may disagree with the thing being officialized and popularized, but you can't stop the idea behind it, which is already "implemented" anyway, albeit in a primitive yet 90% of times effective way. So, ironically, not making this module would greatly benefit those who use the Magnifying Glass at the expense of those who don't know about it, yet, making it public would be a fair ground to everyone but at the cost of noobifying the game. Again, funners-wise that's a non-issue, however, it shouldn't even exist in official games... It's a complex topic and no matter how the devs will move about this - even if they choose to not choose - they're still making a bad decision if one thinks about it thoroughly and analytically.
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The definition of cheating does not solely apply to "rules".
Other definitions of the word cheat include 'to defraud, swindle, to act dishonorably and also deceive', which means to hide your true intentions, to pretend you are playing on an even playing field when in fact you have hidden advantages.
So yes Albus, you have literally been cheating whether TUS allow it or not because you deceived your opponents, that is the literal definition of the word "cheat".
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Other definitions of the word cheat include "to defraud, swindle, and deceive", which means to hide your true intentions, to pretend you are playing on an even playing field when in fact you have hidden advantages.
Okay, you can agree or disagree with me with the module's suggestion and find it offers an unfair advantage (I disagree). But I am not a cheater. If you guys think I'm cheating, I won't play leagues anymore, just funners.
PS: if there was a rule expressly forbidding it I wouldn't use it.
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Albus, YOU ARE LITERALLY CHEATING BY THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.
Jesus christ man... It isn't even up for debate, that's what the word means and you have literally done those actions by hiding your advantage from other players! You can not argue this!
We believe you believe it was not malicious and that you were doing something you thought was allowed, though it is literally cheating, nobody is saying you are evil or anything, just own up to the fact you were cheating, and maybe think about your future actions when using modules like this against people who play without that stuff.
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Albus, YOU ARE LITERALLY CHEATING BY THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.
Jesus christ man... It isn't even up for debate, that's what the word means and you have literally done those actions by hiding your advantage from other players! You can not argue this!
We believe you believe it was not malicious and that you were doing something you thought was allowed, though it is literally cheating, nobody is saying you are evil or anything, just own up to the fact you were cheating, and maybe think about your future actions when using modules like this against people who play without that stuff.
I'll wait for Monkey Island's decision.
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What about all the times Windows' Magnifying Glass has been used in competitive, official games? Or the team order of the opponent was extracted from a previous replay? Or when a ruler has been used for the shotgun and other throws? Or pen and paper has been used to keep track of what the enemy has used? One may argue a few of those aren't exactly cheating per se, but at the end of the day, none of us are innocent. There's no need to escalate this, nor for finger pointing, especially since this has nothing to do with the OP.
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What about all the times Windows' Magnifying Glass has been used in competitive, official games? Or the team order of the opponent was extracted from a previous replay? Or when a ruler has been used for the shotgun and other throws? Or pen and paper has been used to keep track of what the enemy has used? One may argue a few of those aren't exactly cheating per se, but at the end of the day, none of us are innocent. There's no need to escalate this, nor for finger pointing, especially since this has nothing to do with the OP.
Who discovered this feature (Magnifying Glass) and told me about it was Dario. If he uses it in competitive games, I don't know. Unlike others, I don't accuse without proof.
I used wkWormOrder and said publicly because I don't think it's cheat and there was no rule prohibiting the use. If someone thinks I broke a rule, I might have broken it, but it wasn't intentional. If I wanted to cheat, why would I say I was using it? Does not make sense.
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What about all the times Windows' Magnifying Glass has been used in competitive, official games? Or the team order of the opponent was extracted from a previous replay? Or when a ruler has been used for the shotgun and other throws? Or pen and paper has been used to keep track of what the enemy has used? One may argue a few of those aren't exactly cheating per se, but at the end of the day, none of us are innocent. There's no need to escalate this, nor for finger pointing, especially since this has nothing to do with the OP.
Who discovered this feature (Magnifying Glass) and told me about it was Dario. If he uses it in competitive games, I don't know. Unlike others, I don't accuse without proof.
I used wkWormOrder and said publicly because I don't think it's a cheater and there was no rule prohibiting the use. If someone thinks I broke a rule, I might have broken it, but it wasn't intentional. If I wanted to cheat, why would I say I was using it? Does not make sense.
Yeah that was just an example, far be it from me to denounce Dario, of all people, on this. I thought he was clear in saying that sometimes he uses it, but maybe I'm misremembering the competitive side of it. It's not like he needs it anyway, so... Anyway, my point stated two posts ago subsists. It's a complex matter, to put it shortly. But more specifically, what you did with wkWormOrder was more of a fault from the dev side since that was easily fixable by displaying a message when one is using it. Although, I didn't read all the thread. Did you use it for your team only? If that's so, that's absolutely not cheating. Did you use it for the enemy team too? That's debatable. If the enemy was using the same team as replays circulating on TUS, in my book that's not cheating either since it was a public information anyway. But if he made a new team exactly to avoid being busted from the very beginning, and you used that tool? Yeah, that's cheating. But who am I to really say for sure.
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Did you use it for your team only? If that's so, that's absolutely not cheating. Did you use it for the enemy team too? That's debatable. If the enemy was using the same team as replays circulating on TUS, in my book that's not cheating either since it was a public information anyway. But if he made a new team exactly to avoid being busted from the very beginning, and you used that tool? Yeah, that's cheating. But who am I to really say for sure.
Yes, just for my team. Once I had this module, I deleted my old team (which I already had memorized).
I couldn't see the enemy sequence. When this function is activated, a message appears in the chat telling that the player see your team order.
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Did you use it for your team only? If that's so, that's absolutely not cheating. Did you use it for the enemy team too? That's debatable. If the enemy was using the same team as replays circulating on TUS, in my book that's not cheating either since it was a public information anyway. But if he made a new team exactly to avoid being busted from the very beginning, and you used that tool? Yeah, that's cheating. But who am I to really say for sure.
Yes, just for my team. Once I had this module, I deleted my old team (which I already had memorized).
I couldn't see the enemy sequence. When this function is activated, a message appears in the chat telling that the player see your team order.
Then what's the point of all the drama? The information was available to you from the get-go, you simply didn't use a piece of paper like most people do and used a module for it. Be it a physical notebook, the Windows notebook, a wormkit module, a third party software or a phone application, it's always the same thing. It's an information you have the right and moral duty to access at any time - if that's made simpler or not, it's besides the question.
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I'm just surprised how Dario didn't know the module allowed me to see my own team's sequence without issuing a warning. After so much debate about the module and its tools, he didn't knew it until after the game.
By the way, there are people who think the module doesn't make much of a difference.
(https://i.imgur.com/5N6UVN7.png)
http://www.normalnonoobs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1748&view=unread#unread
Kayz, for example, doesn't care that the module lets me see his team sequence. I imagine that he would not worry with the fact that my team's order appears to me.
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I will just assume that Chicken23 don't know that the module display a global message when you set to display opponent's worms order cause all of that made me dumb to read.
And about knowing your own team worm orders and randomizing/creating new teams that's beyond individual right, can't believe it's being argued. :D :D
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I will just assume that Chicken23 don't know that the module display a global message when you set to display opponent's worms order cause all of that made me dumb to read.
And about knowing your own team worm orders and randomizing/creating new teams that's beyond individual right, can't believe it's being argued. :D :D
Maybe it's because Dario knew my old team memorized or had the order saved somewhere (I don't know, it's a guess) and maybe he felt wronged when I created a new team and I didn't have to go to the "tedious work" of memorizing the new order.
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I posted in the wrong topic lol sorry about that. :D
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So it's been a couple years since this topic started, what's the current state of zooming in W:A? Because at 2560x1440, this gets a little unwieldy to play.
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Like, in the end all I really want is for everything to be bigger on screen. Even a toggleable 2X-Scale feature would make this more usable on modern displays.
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set game resolution to 720p and scretch it back to 1440p
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/activating-stretch-in-windowed-mode-on-3-8-32814/msg276031/#msg276031