The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Worms: Armageddon => Promotion Project => Topic started by: TOMT on April 28, 2015, 07:38 PM
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Seriously, what does it take?
Me personally would dig deep into my pocket, and I know others would too. For starters I would pay 1000$. Then I would keep contributing less for maintenance.
Every wormer I have talked to would participate with money. Some have greater economic strength than others and would contribute more.
Of course this would be physically possible, the interest for something like this is great, the money is already on the table, Wormnet is full of capable programmers.
Would Team17 agree to something like this? What does it take? Ideas?
Wouldn't this be fun:
W:A Buttons to click:
[Join funner game room]
[Join league game room]
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This would be an epic opportunity not just to integrate league systems in WA, but a more modern take on the UI. This would help beginners and players in general to look up details on popular schemes in the game itself. As well as new user friendly tools, and features that could benefit everyone.
A complete graphics overhaul and update on current terrains, sprites, and texture would be a juicy feast without sacrificing the core gameplay itself.
I am no programmer but a casual player of the community who would not mind offering a penny or two.
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I think it'd be better to start implementing Worms: Ultimate ideas in a new, fresh game that'd be able to compete in today's gaming world.
I have not so great knowledge about programming (well, maybe I'm wrong, see the Dunning–Kruger effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) xD), but W:A really inspires me, and this gives me great motivation towards learning. W:A will be never forgotten if we keep the torch burning :)
And yeah, it takes time, though, as always and anything. I have ambitious and interesting ideas that are hard to implement :)
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T17 agreement is required. Even if w:a's source code could be available, i dont think players/programmers around AG will be able to rewrite/add a new feature like this one. TOMT, are you thinking about to donate money to T17 or just other programmers in order to implement the feature we talking about?
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Not necessary Team17 but freelancers/none with the required skills that could take on this task for Team17 due to the possible high demand of the WA community.
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I am in! As a programmer ;) But the first step should be that Deadcode and Cybershadow would tell us how the developing of the new update is going on. You start to plan something and maybe 2 days later we will get a new game already :D
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Don't throw any money at T17, they basically abandoned this game. The only people who deserve any money regarding W:A development are CyberShadow and DeadCode. That being said, I don't know how much time they currently have at hand. They're on IRC fairly frequently, you should try talking to them.
#worms @ GameSurge
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I think there are some serious problems regarding developing this game.
First:
The big elephant in the room. Many of W:A players, deep inside think that this game belongs to history and it can't compete with today's inductry anymore. They look at this game as a nostalgia, like a NES game and that's it. To compete in today's industry, you need at least a better looking game. 256-color palette won't cut it.
Second:
I think this game has gone into a non-creative lazy mod. My wife's dad calls it mind masturbation. It's an state of mind where you are full of great ideas, you get excited with endless possibilities (you get a mind-orgasm). After that you are really not in the mood to DO any of those. It was just your imagination, no real life motivation. That's where 4.0 stands.
Third:
Team17, W:A developers, TUS and people who can change it are NOT united.
Team17's position on this game is obvious. It is an abandoned game, hence its developers are not important enough. W:A developers doesn't like that attitude. They are also not in need of the "community money". You go one level lower and there is TUS. TUS is an individual project grown with the help of the community. To many W:A elders, after 6 years of serving the community, it is still an impolite kid sticking out his tongue at them.
An example is, TUS hosts over 10,000 BIT maps. It would a nice addition to Hosting Buddy. People could load BIT maps by giving TUS Map ID. This idea has been rejected. (not going into details)
In brief, each party does improvements as they see fit for themselves in their own time-table.
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Mr MonkeyIsland.
You are right when it comes to the age of this game, the nostalgia that linger on with WA players.
You are right when it comes to ''just talk''. People tend to talk and get nothing done.
So tell me Mister MonkeyIsland. Who are not united? Who will not fund this project? Who will not take the necessary steps to make ''just talk'' a reality? Who is to say that the age of this game poses an issue?
These issues that have been presented and perhaps more to come, are bricks of walls and can be easily be taken down and reassembled to a new and better end result.
With the right commitment to something one loves, big things can come out of it. I see a lot of players both old school and new school who would appreciate change.
You say that this game is old and abandoned. That may seem so yes, but yet this game is on sale on Steam. A lot of new people and coming people have come from Steam. I do not see issue in updating the game for marketing purpose because it is still on sale.
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Totally agree with MI.
I'd add that any amount of money wouldn't be enough for the work needed. At least not to Occidental standard. If you want something big, you are speaking of several month of coding for several people. Therefore, any amount will be like peanut compared to your real life work and it won't motivate anyone and make things harder to manage actually.
The only sustainable solution in my opinion, would be to make WA open source and community managed (like most of big github projects). However, I doubt T17 would agree and it could expose security breach which could ultimately kill the game.
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TUS hosts over 10,000 BIT maps. It would a nice addition to Hosting Buddy. People could load BIT maps by giving TUS Map ID. This idea has been rejected. (not going into details)
Could you elaborate on that please? Why wouldn't whoever is in charge of HostingBuddy allow people to use TuS maps? Wouldn't that improve the service? Or is it because it wasn't their idea, or because they are not in control of the source they won't do it?
you are speaking of several month of coding for several people.
I think you are exaggerating here, several months for several people? Sure, if they only spend 30-60 minutes a day...
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I think you are exaggerating here, several months for several people? Sure, if they only spend 30-60 minutes a day...
When you have a job/wife/kid spending 60 minutes a day is a lot in my world.
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There are other paths to take and one of them are not necessary via TuS.
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I think you are exaggerating here, several months for several people? Sure, if they only spend 30-60 minutes a day...
When you have a job/wife/kid spending 60 minutes a day is a lot in my world.
Hence why they would be getting paid a proper wage, it would be an official job.
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If this was to be done as simple as possible, let's say only make a ranking system for just one scheme at first, and only maintain this for two months, what would be the necessary steps? How many programmers, how many working hours, etc.?
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You should take this matter step by step.
First of all, only two guys besides T17 have the source code of this game and it's highly unlikely that T17 is going to:
a) give the code to more people or
b) make W:A open source.
Now that we know that, what are the options? ... And what if they are too busy to do it? ... Exactly.
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Or, how much would it cost, if even possible, to buy WA from T17? Imagine that, we all having shares in WA :D But seriously, you think they would ever sell the rights to WA?
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Make !League bot, like the RandomBot that was used during WO. I can't think of other alternatives... But the interface of !thing is rather dull, so TuS is far more user-friendly ;D
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To compete in today's industry, you need at least a better looking game. 256-color palette won't cut it.
Age of Empires 2 (a 256-colour game released in 1999) strongly disagrees with you (http://www.aoczone.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=104408).
It's also joining esports soon.
All of this is without any support from the original developers, and patches with hundreds of fixes and features without any source code.
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Lets make a meeting Deadcode, Cybershadow , MI and Komo ofc lol, ill pay for this project and make it reality :D :D :D
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Are we talking Implementing a league & a ranking system? Because I would love to see more than that without sounding so demanding. Exceeding the 256 color palette and adding HD graphics without sacrificing the gameplay is something that would be nice. Of course nothing too fancy that will require a lot of extra work.
I know a lot of wormers that are good with music, so adding new soundtracks is something I could contribute too. But there are people who will come out and say ''I play my own music'' Sure that works but for newcomers and for those who do not tune on their own music would appreciate it.
Though there are people who will oppose to change because people in general don't appreciate change due to nostalgia. So when it comes to graphics update, maybe there should be a feature where you can switch it on and off.
I am willing too throw in a couple of bucks to make things happen yeah.
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The League/Funner thing would probably end up putting my "Ultra League" thing into the funners area, since that's what it basically is as of currently (Glorified Funners). I don't care, however; I'd just use the funners until they would add Ultra league to the list (they might or they might not, however.)
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Or, how much would it cost, if even possible, to buy WA from T17? Imagine that, we all having shares in WA :D But seriously, you think they would ever sell the rights to WA?
they never would have sold the shares of this game. though they and do not care about this game.if it goes beyond the call I'll be ready to help financially. and I wanted to see public responses and information on the next game update.
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My wife's dad calls it mind masturbation.
Brb brain wank