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Worms: Armageddon => Promotion Project => Topic started by: Fabrousse on April 07, 2013, 01:16 AM
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Hi,
I used to play wa long long time ago.
Im a pro poker player now.
Holdem is a f@#!ing game with two cards and variance.
It works only because of $$$
Find a way to introduce money in da game.
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I agree with you but the only problem is how :).
Btw, been ages nice to see you !
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yo fab
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mouarf!
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hey conar. You play holdem live or online or both?
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Rofl MouarF indeed !!!!!! Where's Spin?!?
Was nice to play you last year Fab, if it really was you lol :)
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Poker only works because of the money? Well, I'll be damned.
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lol fabrousse, de retour?
des news de theclash??
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I thought about the money on worms the other day and come up to the thought, how good the game would be.
Imagine you'll win season #32. What you get for winning? Picture of cup on your profile nobody looking, and umm respect? hardly, nowadays nobody know who wins tus classic seasons anyway. Try to figure out yourself 3 last winners of classic season without "uhm let me check playoffs", in fact not everyone on this site actually know how to open page with playoffs. So yea imagine if people would get money for winning classic PO. How active the league would be, how many newcomers would stuck to the league, how high would be level on playoffs, how epic dramaaaaasd would be on PO.
2nd thing is what would money do with clans. Basically clan receive money and they gotta devide it between each other thereby clans would aim to have as less players as possible -> alot of new clans being active on clanners.
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Lol Impo good point when you said "Try to figure out yourself 3 last winners of classic season".
I do actually follow the PO's etc but I can't remember the winners I jus forgot haha... My guess would be, ArtiC, barman, crash...
I'm gonna go and check now lol.
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When I see all things you already done here for the game.
I think it would be pretty easy for you to organize a real money league.
Not sure If it would be legal.
But you know, with site like neteller, moneybooker (skrill) or paypal.
Money transfer are simple over the web...
We use it a lot in poker for stacking, swapping etc...
Just do 3 differents leagues:
-Low stake : buy in 11$ (10$ for pricepool, 1$ for TUS) Top 3 in the money
-middle stake : buy in 55$ (50$ for pricepool, 5$ for TUS) Top 3 in the money
-high stake : buy in 110$ (100$ for pricepool, 10$ for TUS) Top 3 in the money
If you want to win some money you have to risk some money.
Pas de news de theclash snoopdog :)
Not news from spin.. You komodo right?
Salut chaussette, I play online poker the most and a few live events.
Yo avirex :)
Zippeufou, tdc ain't dead!
Cool to see the community still there.
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It won't work, Fabrousse. Poker players are adults, not all worms players are 18+ (what I mean is that a lot of them are young). Stakes that you mentioned have not possibile existance at all since kids don't earn money nor the most of the students. The only possible buy in I see here is the lowest one but still, it would gather only a handful of best players in the league because let's face it, a newbie is a newbie and doesn't have a chance to be in top3. Period. Nobody will put their money knowing it's a money loss as other players are much much better. And about that handful of people left that maybe would try it? There is so little of them that it's not worth running a league with cash prize. All we can do is hosting tournaments/cups with $ to win and it's already functioning from time to time.
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mdr
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As said before, in my opinion the solution is sponsorship but who the hell would invest money in wa ? :(
Ouep, teubber et moi on tiens comme on peut en vie TdC. je suis heureux de voir que tu as un job qui potentiellement peut te rendre riche :p
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fab, people are still playing your roper maps, they are among the most popular on wormnet still.
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How active the league would be, how many newcomers would stuck to the league, how high would be level on playoffs
...how many mighty psychos like you... :D :D :D
Dulek, i agree.
It won't help get new players anyway. I'm sorry so much... IMHO, poker is stuped game, a bit psychology, a bit math, so for me that's much easier like game.
i dont wanna compare pocker and wa. But if i have choise where i can win some money... in WA or in pocker. My choise is pocker, coz it would be faster and easier than WA. So, money cant help with newcomers here.
We must focus on developing league generally, i dont think that it's all works perfectly and it's ready for real prices. Also, tournaments\cup with $$$ looks more interesting.
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if you think "pocker" is stupid then you just dont know poker deep enough
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fab, people are still playing your roper maps, they are among the most popular on wormnet still.
Im so proud of it!
I saw some of my maps with colors and shit.
Thats too good.
Community build this game thats awsome!
You still a shark at roping walrus?
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Maybe you should try money league with a game where skill is as import as luck.
Shopper? lol
Well fish play poker because they think they can win some time (luck yes)
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if you think "pocker" is stupid then you just dont know poker deep enough
I prefer to be silent if i dont know some thing. This note doesnt need comment, coz it's my opinion. But if u replied coz i made typo in "poker" - thanks.
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if you think "pocker" is stupid then you just dont know poker deep enough
Good chess players change to poker because it's much easier to win money with poker than it is with chess. If a good poker player were to change to chess, he would be butchered.
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But how do you imagine it works? Both players put money in and the winner takes all? It can't work, there will be even more avoiders and no new players.
Or if you find sponsor who gives money for tourneys and cups.
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But how do you imagine it works? Both players put money in and the winner takes all?
you can do this without tus at all. The idea is winning money by winning PO where you cant avoid etc
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You seem to have missed his actual question, Impo: where's the money coming from? Sponsor? Buying yourself in the game?
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Maybe cup 10€ buy in ? i like gambling :)
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Personally I left my work (IT developper) to only play poker.
Its not just gamble!
http://fr.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/mrGR33N13 (http://fr.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/mrGR33N13)
Poker is around 40% skill, 30% "luck", and for some guy : between 10 and 20% discipline (bankroll management) & mental (tilt handling etc...).
If you have an edge on your opponent (skill, mental, management) you can only win in long term (many hands).
For poker it works, because fishes (noob) play just because they belive on the 30% of luck and are gamblers.
Whatever, if you want this to work for worms, I think the money can come only from players.
There is a bit of luck in worms (where the cr8 fall and other thing I think..)
You already play for virtual medail and to get respect from others.
Im sure you could play for money also.
The problem for worms is that its mostly a skill game. So the begginer won't bet against you all.
You have to find a way...
A system where beginner could play some beginner maybe.
Im sure there is something todo.
Maybe leagues
Maybe big tournaments (I heard about a worms tournament in paris with money)
Maybe heads up (one vs one)
Maybe challenge (Be the first to to something)
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With my poker player community we do much "Side bet", and Im the first who asked players to play worms against me lol.
http://fr.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=138349 (http://fr.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=138349)
Everything is about money.
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You seem to have missed his actual question, Impo: where's the money coming from? Sponsor? Buying yourself in the game?
there is 3 ways to realize this:
1. player gotta pay 2.99$ (for example ;D ) to play on a single season, Im sure there will be at least 40 players who interest in this, winner gets 100$ and 20$ for runner-up
2. find sponsor, Im sure there is people with money on world interest in this, the problem is that we cant find them and thats hard for them to find us
3. put some advertisment on tus and pay this money to the winner. Math time now
usual advertisment works like that:
clicking at the ad: 0.05$
cost per 1000 views 0.01$
classic season goes 2 month ( we can raise it to 3 or 4 month so the money prize will be higher too)
I dont saw statistics but Im sure tus site have many visitors. Even if ad would show only for guests there would be at least 50$ each 2 months
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Don't wanna ruin the party here but it ain't gonna work at all, in terms of general league competitiveness.
You've said it yourself: The problem for worms is that its mostly a skill game. So the begginer won't bet against you all.
You have to find a way...
Furthermore this community is always trying to minimise the luck factor. A way to make your money thing work would be increasing the luck factor for every league scheme, which is merely contradictory according to competitive spirit.
Not to mention those who are underaged, they'd end up excluded of the league... plus not even half of the community would approve this.
By the way, cool to see you here Fabrousse. Used to play your roper maps a lot.
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2. find sponsor, Im sure there is people with money on world interest in this, the problem is that we cant find them and thats hard for them to find us
Hmm.. it would be some super star... who have much money...
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i621/1304/5d/865bf33ac64a.jpg)
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Time to bring weapon and health crates back to Elite
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Comet dodging in league games.
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Personally I left my work (IT developper) to only play poker.
Its not just gamble!
http://fr.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/mrGR33N13 (http://fr.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/mrGR33N13)
Poker is around 40% skill, 30% "luck", and for some guy : between 10 and 20% discipline (bankroll management) & mental (tilt handling etc...).
If you have an edge on your opponent (skill, mental, management) you can only win in long term (many hands).
For poker it works, because fishes (noob) play just because they belive on the 30% of luck and are gamblers.
Whatever, if you want this to work for worms, I think the money can come only from players.
There is a bit of luck in worms (where the cr8 fall and other thing I think..)
You already play for virtual medail and to get respect from others.
Im sure you could play for money also.
The problem for worms is that its mostly a skill game. So the begginer won't bet against you all.
You have to find a way...
A system where beginner could play some beginner maybe.
Im sure there is something todo.
Maybe leagues
Maybe big tournaments (I heard about a worms tournament in paris with money)
Maybe heads up (one vs one)
Maybe challenge (Be the first to to something)
...
With my poker player community we do much "Side bet", and Im the first who asked players to play worms against me lol.
http://fr.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=138349 (http://fr.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=138349)
Everything is about money.
Nice graph. Do you play cash games as well?
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mdr
This.
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Wish the US wasn't so freaked out about poker, I'd play like before Black Friday
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Not my scope dub ^^
Im a cash game player the most.
I take the first scope I found on sharkscope to explain poker isnt just gambling game.
Personnaly I would maybe play worms again if money is included same for fifa etc...
Im a gambler :) And Im not alone.
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Not my scope dub ^^
Im a cash game player the most.
I take the first scope I found on sharkscope to explain poker isnt just gambling game.
Personnaly I would maybe play worms again if money is included same for fifa etc...
Im a gambler :) And Im not alone.
Roper4rollz?
Don't try to explain poker to anyone who doesn't play poker. You can not win.
Glad to hear you are not a tourney player :) What level are you currently playing and what stakes? bb/100?
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You still a shark at roping walrus?
haha like the one time on the wlcl boards when i was talking lots of shit about beating you at roper and you proceeded to beat my monkey ass 3 times in a row? a shark i am then, indeed.
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Hey Fab, yes, I am Komodo, shame you haven't heard from Spin :(
(For those who don't know, TheClash - SpinwinG) <--- Is that right the way I wrote SpinwinG looks weird now but sure that's how it was...
Kinda off topic here but I just randomly found £5 in an old receipt lying under my desk hahahaha niiiice :D
Edit: Hmmm, was it - xSpinwinGx or something?
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:D
@Walrus : We were children :)
@komodus : Last time I saw the clash it was on msn years ago he was playing starcraft or something...
Roper4rollz?
Don't try to explain poker to anyone who doesn't play poker. You can not win.
Glad to hear you are not a tourney player :) What level are you currently playing and what stakes? bb/100?
Roper4rollz lol! No!!! Hu4Rollz would be better for me I guess...
I play hu nl100 and I bumhunt a bit nl200
This last 6 months I played 210K hands with a 5.26bb/100
(http://ronaldinho.guaucho.free.fr/bbLifetimebaba.jpg)
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There is nothing to do, WA community is very small, money will somehow kill the fun of the game, implementing such a thing is a big pain regarding legal stuff.
In europe you will need a license which is expensive, and hard to get. I don't know about other countries, but some may just not allow gambling.
Also, you will need to manage anti-fraud, anti-cheat, disputes, money chargeback, money transfert, devises convert, etc. It needs staff, skills, development.
This game is not ready (and probably will never be) to manage money stuff. In some schemes like TTRR, the game does not and cannot know who is the real winner of the game.
So, you could try to implement such a thing but it would be a very long job, and it would fail for sure with no result !
Good luck :)
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@Walrus : We were children :)
@komodus : Last time I saw the clash it was on msn years ago he was playing starcraft or something...
yeah we really were. i remember it seemed like a really long time ago when i said "10 years ago," now were are coming up on 15 years ago when i first started playing this game. i was 13 when wlcl was up ;D.
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Hey Fab, yes, I am Komodo, shame you haven't heard from Spin :(
(For those who don't know, TheClash - SpinwinG) <--- Is that right the way I wrote SpinwinG looks weird now but sure that's how it was...
Kinda off topic here but I just randomly found £5 in an old receipt lying under my desk hahahaha niiiice :D
Edit: Hmmm, was it - xSpinwinGx or something?
spoke to clash about 9 months ago on msn think he said he was in to poker but now ive lost my password for msn and forgot my security question :(