The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Worms: Armageddon => Promotion Project => Topic started by: avirex on April 15, 2013, 10:03 PM
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in order to stream, we always need a guy streaming to be online, and in the game...
i was thinking today, and wondering if it was possible for someone to make a bot... it would work similar to hostingbuddy, maybe when your in the host all ready, the host types !streambot or something, and then it auto joins, and starts to stream games....
now there would obviously only be one (or maybe more if it worked, and was popular) so we could ask that its only used on clannes, or important singles matches, and when there is playoff games that are coming up, and scheduled, maybe the maker/host of the bot can make the bot password protected for certain hours of the PO date, and give it to the upcoming players...
im not sure if this is even a possibility, but it would be neat to have this... and i figure it could be done, we have so many others bots in AG, even one who hosts when commanded to, so why not one who streams games???
is this an option? would anyone know how to go about doing this???
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It is possible avirex and actually not that complicated I believe if you use something as twitch. Then come the question of which game should be in streaming. I don't think "random" games are any interesting and play in favor of the game advertisement. Moreover, it requires a server that can capture the game which mean use of graphic and cpu. So you need to find someone willing to lend this. Anyways, this is a good idea and I'm sure we should listen to what cybershadow and DC think about it.
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that's where the maturity of the community will be appreciated... don't use the bot just to stream some silly bungee race or something... save it for clan Games, and more importantly play off matches..
ziop, can you make a bot like this?
then we need to find someone willing to constantly run the bit, twitch, and whatever else needed, ae?
anyone have a spare pc that's always running, and good connection?
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Well, streaming itself ain't a problem. Other people even already did the script (https://gist.github.com/brodul/3178130). I'm not familiar with bot programming. I know hostingbuddy is using D programming (http://dlang.org/index.html) and you can join the group to see the source code (http://sourceforge.net/projects/wahostbot/). I believe this could be set up quite quickly by someone mastering D programming or who was involved with hostingbuddy.
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good idea but if u gonna have to type /streambot .. i belive new comers or annoing guys would just use it all the time. some extra point like a mod on tus have to confirm that stream as well.
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good idea !
(http://img.sadistic.pl/pics/acd15a4cd4ac.gif)
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In 4.0 supposedly you can join games in progress to watch
don't take my word for it though
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this would be great but alot of the time clanners take forever, if this can be done quickly then i think its great, but i kinda see this making clan games take even longer
and i agree with smok, i see people abusing this but there has to b a way to solve that... maybe something linked to tus similar to the way the analyzer works, then you could use what gets typed there to advertise its streaming, just something simple like CF vs dt BnG
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This would be exactly what we would need.
If theres a possibility to put a password then it wouldn't be on wrong hands.
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I don't think we should link it to tus website. WN and TuS are two different things. WN will live when tus will die.
My main concern is finding someone willing to lend a sever that powerful because don't forget that it uses so much bandwidth ressources also !
My best bet is getting cybershadow give his opinion on this because he's most likely the one who would be the more efficient in coding it.
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[...]some silly bungee race or something[...]
Snob :P Are you intending the stream for everybody - including people who don't know WA - or do you think this stream is only for guys who already know all about WA?
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Imo we should primarily have a stream for our personal benefit. Especially PO where some people want to watch it live and not wait for the replays. I mean, let's be realistic the chances of W:A lifting off to gain more popularity are slim and no streaming bot will change that so it should be aimed to an audience that exists, us!
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I mean, let's be realistic the chances of W:A lifting off to gain more popularity are slim
Someone hasn't been paying attention to steam :P
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I mean, let's be realistic the chances of W:A lifting off to gain more popularity are slim
Someone hasn't been paying attention to steam :P
Its a shame though that team17's profiteering has resulted in many like worms games, instead of one consolidated 2d worms community. This diversification of like titles only widens the divide of the worms games. I do applaud worms revolution, but WWP, W2:A (X360 & PS3), and W:Reloaded were obvious money grabs. Despite worms revolutions shortfalls, it represents the first true gameplay innovations and basic game engine update since 1997. It is crazy that team17 up to that point had recycled the worms 2 formula for so long.
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I mean, let's be realistic the chances of W:A lifting off to gain more popularity are slim
Someone hasn't been paying attention to steam :P
Actually I posted the the thread about it. ;D What I mean is, that it is so unlikely that W:A reaches the popularity it needs to be what this project is aiming for. Hence I suggest something that benefits the current playerbase rather than potential players.
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I do applaud worms revolution, but WWP, W2:A (X360 & PS3), and W:Reloaded were obvious money grabs.
I disagree, WWP for me is the 2nd best in the series, when WWP 1st came out, it was WAY better than WA imo, but when the updates with colour maps/replays/being able to minimise etc came out, WA became best again.
I so wish they had done all these updates to WWP and not WA, but what can you do lol...
Revolution on the other hand is a pile of utter shite...
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I do applaud worms revolution, but WWP, W2:A (X360 & PS3), and W:Reloaded were obvious money grabs.
I disagree, WWP for me is the 2nd best in the series, when WWP 1st came out, it was WAY better than WA imo, but when the updates with colour maps/replays/being able to minimise etc came out, WA became best again.
I so wish they had done all these updates to WWP and not WA, but what can you do lol...
Revolution on the other hand is a pile of utter shite...
I'm pretty sure replay files were first implemented with deadcodes patch of wa, but i might be wrong. and color map importing, wormpot + minimization aren't worth paying full retail price. WWP was one of the biggest money grabs out of any game i can remember.
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I'm pretty sure replay files were first implemented with deadcodes patch of wa, but i might be wrong.
That's what I just said lol...
and color map importing, wormpot + minimization aren't worth paying full retail price. WWP was one of the biggest money grabs out of any game i can remember.
Well, I think it was worth it, definitely not a money grab in my eyes.
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I'm pretty sure replay files were first implemented with deadcodes patch of wa, but i might be wrong.
That's what I just said lol...
and color map importing, wormpot + minimization aren't worth paying full retail price. WWP was one of the biggest money grabs out of any game i can remember.
Well, I think it was worth it, definitely not a money grab in my eyes.
how is charging full prize for something that is a 8€ DLC at most not a money grab?
Team17 admitted it was a money grab, they intended it to be a f@#!ing addon but tada, dreamcast release of the game and they jumped on the boat and said, let's port it to PC.
that's how retarded they were
and now they're worse
they're basically an indie iOS game developer with ego
if they do something good for this game it will be by mistake, and if they make any more with WA, it will also be by mistake. They are unable to see potential nor to exploit it, their idea of exploiting potential was making the jump to 3d, and now where has that seen them? Almost rotting where they belong, abandonware hell.
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For me at least, WWP was WAY better than WA, when it 1st came out, that makes it worth it in my opinion.
I only picked WA over WWP because WA had all the support and updates by DeadCode/CyberShadow.
If you wanna talk about money grabbing, try some shit like Call of Duty, releasing basically the same shit every year...
The point I am trying to make really is, when they released WWP, it was an improvement, it was better, but then everything went downhill after that, they took everything out of the game that the actual hardcore addicts loved bit by bit.
I am not stating ANY of this as a fact, it's merely my opinion, when did Team17 admit such thing ropa, evidence please or I shrug it off as nonsense.
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For me at least, WWP was WAY better than WA, when it 1st came out, that makes it worth it in my opinion.
I only picked WA over WWP because WA had all the support and updates by DeadCode/CyberShadow.
If you wanna talk about money grabbing, try some shit like Call of Duty, releasing basically the same shit every year...
The point I am trying to make really is, when they released WWP, it was an improvement, it was better, but then everything went downhill after that, they took everything out of the game that the actual hardcore addicts loved bit by bit.
I am not stating ANY of this as a fact, it's merely my opinion, when did Team17 admit such thing ropa, evidence please or I shrug it off as nonsense.
Your arguments are so flawed I'm not going to stop and teach you how to properly look at the world.
Call of duty makes a new game from scratch every year with production values better than most movies out of hollywood, including but not limited to a full cast of actors and full body motion of the whole game.
I don't care if WWP was a better game when it was released, that's not what I'm arguing, it was a money grab, the game was intended as an add on but team17 saw a chance to milk the cow with the dreamcast launch opportunity. My rage comes from the fact they tried really hard to try to convince the communtiy WWP was a game coded from scratch, something new and exciting; most likely used one team to port WA to dreamcast, the trainees to add some features that DC and CS could add in a heartbeat assuming employment and a half arsed art team to change the frontend and add hats. And when the hoards of noobs complained "NOT A SINGLE NEW WEAPON?" they tried to sell they made this all from scratch and somehow the sprites and the engine turned out to be the same (except for roping, they messed up there hehehe).
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ropa how can you teach anybody anything when you can't even read lol?
Didn't you read the part where I said, "I am not stating ANY of this as a fact, it's merely my opinion"?
ropa - learn to read
Are you reading this part? What is 2+2?
Are you still reading, or have you drifted off again into a world of your own again?
CoD makes a new game "from scratch" my ass, you have no evidence of this.
And as usual, when asked to prove things you said, you fail, again, I ask, either show me evidence of "Team17 admitting it" or go take more cocaine and be a dumbass the rest of your life.
ropa - this means, HARD evidence, not you typing a bunch of bullshit.
If you can't provide this I will ignore you and talk to the other people who actually have a f@#!ing brain.
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ropa how can you teach anybody anything when you can't even read lol?
Didn't you read the part where I said, "I am not stating ANY of this as a fact, it's merely my opinion"?
ropa - learn to read
Are you reading this part? What is 2+2?
Are you still reading, or have you drifted off again into a world of your own again?
CoD makes a new game "from scratch" my ass, you have no evidence of this.
And as usual, when asked to prove things you said, you fail, again, I ask, either show me evidence of "Team17 admitting it" or go take more cocaine and be a dumbass the rest of your life.
ropa - this means, HARD evidence, not you typing a bunch of bullshit.
If you can't provide this I will ignore you and talk to the other people who actually have a f@#!ing brain.
I'm not sure how you manage to lace your shoes never mind survive a whole day without a fatal accident
I'm really not sure
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Wally, eager to hear from you mate ;D
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how did this thread get so derailed???
oh, hey komo, whats up dude!
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Hi avi :)
Well, me and Wally were just passing opinions, then ropa comes in thinking he's god lol...
Sorry, people just like arguing with me lol.
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Komo, call of duty black ops 2 cost more than 100 million to develop. Games are big business now, and to make money you have to spend money. Ropa was half right when he was talking about it built from scratch, everything but the engine gets re-done, they have used the same engine for about the last 3 games (mostly because they gear the game toward consoles, and this generation of consoles is about maxed out). They have never recycled a weapon game to game without reworking it. WA ---> WWP used all the same weapons, they were so lazy they couldn't even add one stupid new weapon. Hell, the rubberworm or whatever wormkit (someone correct me) has added more weapons than team17 has since 1998. WWP probably cost nothing, save for the licensing to publish for the dreamcast and one programmer to port the game to PC (I can't imagine they needed more than that). Team17 has missed the boat on really expanding their core franchises (alien breed, worms) and has instead time and time again regurgitated the same formula. It's as if they wish worms to die a slow and painful death while squeezing every last dime out of the franchise. They must keep their costs very low, because they are still in business despite not producing anything critically acclaimed in years. They are going to ride the cold dead corpse of worms until the studio goes under, it seems.
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to be on topic, with the off topic...
w:a is just a dumbed down version of w2, with a more fluffy interface... so what's your points about any other games?...
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So in your humble opinion Komo, what was it that made WWP better than WA at launch?
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Wally/KRD:
http://www.everythingisaremix.info/everything-is-a-remix-part-1/
Nothing today is built from scratch.
Edit: You will need to watch all 4 parts to get the whole picture.
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Komo, call of duty black ops 2 cost more than 100 million to develop.
black ops cost 100 million xDd
shenmue cost 70 million and it was the most expensive game in the world till the moment gta IV out (and now bioshock infinite)
I didnt read whole your post but team17 put alot of effort into wwp, missions, wormpot and all
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Yeah, (probably) nothing is made from scratch today, but there are still differences in originality (and complexity):
(http://www2.mintinbox.net/site/data_base/lego/2000/fauconmillenium/1.jpg)
(http://www.google.hu/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=POOHelwMqyhNvM&tbnid=xmNFhRyLtZ4r8M:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walmart.ca%2Fen%2Fip%2Flego-star-wars-millennium-falcon-7965%2F10137554&ei=Q79uUavVMuzQ4QTVsIHoCA&psig=AFQjCNFoByAeWUFe1nCws_zo0D5z1AlHfQ&ust=1366298819888260)
(http://www.google.hu/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=4c_deKfcinsQEM&tbnid=O9Q0yKVaur8R-M:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brothers-brick.com%2F2007%2F06%2F25%2Fmini-millenium-falcon-by-ototoko%2F&ei=RL9uUYquLqe54ATBhoCACQ&psig=AFQjCNEqMO-vJ8esO2XSEQ31AfnTZPLN4Q&ust=1366298820820075)
(http://www.dadsbigplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/lego-millenium-falcon.jpg)
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I didnt read whole your post but team17 put alot of effort into wwp, missions, wormpot and all
adding a DLC isn't a lot of effort of a games company. What is a lot of effort is trying to sell it as a whole game and have people believe them.
well, in your case, little effort, but that's mostly because you put a lot from your end, or basically nothing.
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Owners of W:A should have gotten WWP for free since it was just a rehash of W:A with some gameplay options added.
It's like this shitty game Orion: Dino Beatdown (now known as Orion: Dino Horde) they added a few maps and 1-2 modes and re-sell it. Except the people that already own Dino Beatdown game get it for free.
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TCB has more missions than WWP and has some challenges that have a lot of originality and metagame than the WWP missions, even though it was just an amateur project. Wormpot doesn't seem like a lot of hard work to implement when you look at the options - most options already existed separately or at least you had the option to them in WA. Seems more like a DLC to me as well.
But why did this degrade into a WWP vs WA thing when it started out with such a nice question?
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Natural progression of discussions when you talk with friends. :)
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ok enough about that...
is there anyone who can make a bot that streams games???
if there anyone who can host it, and has a powerful pc, and server (or whatever is needed)
does anyone know DC or CS, and can present this idea to them??
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I can link Vladimir to this thread, but I don't see how he might be able to host something like this on the same server everything else is already on.
For one thing, that server runs a Linux distribution (as do most servers), meaning an instance of WA just won't run on it natively, you'd require a layer of Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_%28software%29) emulation in between, and that might not be ideal compatibility and performance wise. Secondly, as you all know, streaming at a decent picture quality requires a lot of bandwidth and I'm not sure how much of that can be spared during peak hours. Lastly, and this is my own concern, wouldn't automating the streaming process kind of devalue the effort of doing it right, properly organised and commentated and flashy? I really enjoyed the CWT and weirdjack streams and I think I'd rather wait for the real deal again over doing it with a bot just because.
Not to mention someone would actually have to go and, you know, make the whole thing.
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For Playoffs and Cup Finals etc. a streaming bot would be better than nothing since more (all) can watch it live though. Of course the entertainment value is a lot lower without commentary but still the live environment and chat a stream offers can be more entertaining than watching it after it's done and all alone in your room.
I would watch more matches rather live with chat than afterwards when I know the outcome already.
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it makes 0 sense to make a bot to stream
if you're going to code a bot and have him join games might as well have him work with the replay file (real time uploading and playback using everyone's WA (you can't watch without the game installed)
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ropa, go to AG and play a game... everyone misses you.
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Can we split this topic of the WWP/WA debate please, because I am not finished yet.
Alot of you seem to be saying something along the lines of:
"WWP is basically just WA with a few extra things thrown in"
1st off, so f@#!ing what? Whoop-dee-f@#!ing-doo !
I have bought WA more than 3 times, wait, does this mean because I bought it the 1st time I should get it for free or something? No, it's still a f@#!ing "PRODUCT" and deserves to be treated as such, as far as I am concerned, you all need a slap for being so selfish, you obviously just feel let down the game wasn't "as good as you expected", and guess what, boo f@#!ing hoohoo, that's YOUR problem.
Personally like I said, I loved it, I preferred it over WA, when it 1st came out.
I preferred the roping/warming (which was the only thing I done back then), I absolutely loved the wormpots, these were so much f@#!ing fun for me, those 2 things made WWP absolutely f@#!ing dominate WA in my opinion, plus I preferred the WWP community *at the time* to the "we have huge heads and we own everyone" attitude of what WA had.
I don't give a rats ass if they used the same f@#!ing coding, game machine, or whatever the f@#! it's called, SO MANY GAMES COMPANIES DO THIS, Quake engine ffs !
All asians look the same? All f@#!ing shooters look the same? It's all the same damn thing, but with LITTLE differences, that make ALL the difference...
Bottom line, it's THEIR f@#!ing company, they can do whatever they want with it, you don't need to shop with them.
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I have bought WA more than 3 times, wait, does this mean because I bought it the 1st time I should get it for free or something?
It means that you should have made a back-up copy.
Bottom line, it's THEIR f@#!ing company, they can do whatever they want with it, you don't need to shop with them.
Yeah, they can. But we can also say that it was a cheap money grab, no?
Personally, I liked WWP for aliases without fingerroll, some BnG aliases, fun times. :)
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Anubis, I do have backups, but I prefer originals.
WA+WWP are both ridiculously cheap, even when they 1st came out were very cheap.
It's hardly a money grab lol.
Definitely worth WAY MORE than 80% of the shitty games on PS3/Xbox etc which are like £40-£80 to buy retail price THOSE c@#!S are moneygrabbers, not T17.
T17 may be dumb, but I don't think they are money grabbers...
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I actually found, without much effort reviews of WWP that even underlines that WWP is not a "full" game.
Gamespot:
It's a shame that Titus is forcing Worms fans to pay stand-alone prices for what easily could have been an expansion pack. As it is--those who've never played a Worms game or never got around to picking up Worms Armageddon will thoroughly enjoy Worms World Party. But if you're looking forward to a true sequel, you'll have to keep waiting.
They were cheap? I payed full retail price for it, wth are you talking about. xD The review even says it's a shame that Titus is forcing people to buy stand alone prices (full price, not expansion price).
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Kai, I payed £8.99 for mine.
I've bought expansion packs for BF2 on PC in the past that cost more than this lol...
I don't care what some shit online review says about one of my favourite games of all time, my opinion matters more to me than theirs, people who need reviews like that are LAZY and should really just do their own research and play demos and judge things for themselves, when I read reviews, I basically just look for pictures and explanations of what is actually involved in the game, I always ignore opinions, I like to make my own mind up about these things.
Almost every movie review, game review, just basically, "reviews" in general i've ever read talk shit, I learned to ignore them a long long time ago.
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dude stop "arguing" with Komodo... it always goes the same way, you try to explain to him how T17 mishandled WWP and ultimately gave the finger to the PC community (like always) and when cornered he goes on about how he buys whatever he wants because he's a fan.
He also goes on about reviewers. He's Messi, but he dribbles himself.
It's really stupid and he single heartedly is stopping important discussions from finalizing and dragging people away from threads he posts in.
PD: you learned to avoid reviews long ago? Excuse me no, you didn't learn shit, you just found a bad fix to your lack of source selecting ability.
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I actually found, without much effort reviews of WWP that even underlines that WWP is not a "full" game.
Gamespot:
It's a shame that Titus is forcing Worms fans to pay stand-alone prices for what easily could have been an expansion pack. As it is--those who've never played a Worms game or never got around to picking up Worms Armageddon will thoroughly enjoy Worms World Party. But if you're looking forward to a true sequel, you'll have to keep waiting.
They were cheap? I payed full retail price for it, wth are you talking about. xD The review even says it's a shame that Titus is forcing people to buy stand alone prices (full price, not expansion price).
he paid 10 euros dude! It's not because he lives in Britain (home of the devs) or that he got the game long after release (expect a story shortly on how Komod was on WWP since day one playing offline or using an alias ;)) it's not any of that! It's that he paid 10 euros and therefore WWP was cheap for everyone, his line of thought, learn to follow it.
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Why would you compare WWP's price to something utterly different? Compare it to W:A to get the picture.
In Hungary there's still a 60% difference to WWP's benefit (if you can buy the game at all..).
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WWP was 50$ when it came out. WA was the same, it might have been 40$ or so. WWP was WA DLC, plain and simple, Ropa is right on this one. Than again, DLC was basically nonexistent back then, but they released expansion packs for the first worms for a fraction of the cost of the full retail game, which is what T17 should have done. Whatever the price points are now is irrelevant, what the cost was at release is the only relevancy when talking about whether or not T17 was moneygrabbing or not.
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Well, you got ripped off then Wally lol.
Guffaw @ ropa
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komo, your being foolish...
its clear here more then ever that you hate to admit when your wrong..
you asked for proof about a claim ropa made, anubis gave it to you, and as he said, it did not take much effort to find.... then you went on some other rant in a different direction lol
all anyone is trying to say is that wwp is the same damn thing as w:a, but with some add ons, and a different interface, no one can possibly argue that..... but somehow, you find a way to... go figure....
wwp was a money grab, how can u argue it?? whats wrong with you?? if you did not mind spending the money, because it went to a company who has brought you a lot of fun over the years, then just say that... dont try to argue the main point.. your wrong..
lets get back on topic.
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Excuse me, a review is NOT proof, I don't know if you fully understand the word "proof" but sure as hell it wouldn't stand up in court, I am 100% sure of that.
How the hell can I be wrong with an opinion anyway? It isn't a fact, it's merely an opinion, you have yours, i'll have mine, thanks.
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komo, the fact is WWP is f@#!ing W:A with a different interface, and a couple add-ons
those are the facts... any w:a/wwp player knows it, and no one will deny that but you...
so the fact they charged w:a players full retail price for the add-on was a moneygrab...
so whats your opinion?? that it was a totally different game?? or what?? Im lost... just admit your wrong.
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lets get back on topic.
This thread is now about Komo, there's no getting back on topic, don't U know that by now?!
The other solution (and the only solution) is to split this thread into two topics and continue to discuss what KRD have said.. . (but in that case U need a tus admin that will separate all the Komos bullshit from the actual topic subject, and that's a lot to ask for..)
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It wasn't even me that started this debate ! It's more about ropa/avirex/TheWalrus if anybody, you clown !
As usual, people just can't handle the fact other people have a difference in opinion and get all worked up about it lol.
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komo, the fact is WWP is f@#!ing W:A with a different interface, and a couple add-ons
those are the facts... any w:a/wwp player knows it, and no one will deny that but you...
That does NOT make it a "moneygrab", you guys are VERY VERY close minded, and somewhat brainwashed.
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now your going to argue with ramone on who started this? lol unbelievable
komo is right, everyone else is wrong :D typical
seriously though: as ramone said, it would be great if mods can split this topic...
also would be nice to ban komo from certain forums... he should only be allowed to post in the "off topic" section of the forums ;D
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Not my fault you guys can't control your temper and start exaggerating lol.
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So what would be, in your opinion, a game that's intended as a money grab?
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Hmm, i'll have to think about that Kai, I really don't know off the top of my head, i'll get back to you tomorrow...