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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: melbo on August 09, 2015, 12:57 PM
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I know it might be a discussion forced and very critical, but I feel the need to talk about it in a site where there are many players of worms and this seems like the right place.
Also this year I played the worm olympics and although I am a player of medium \ low level I noticed, first of all, the decline that these Olympics have taken over the years, as the number of players, but this is justifiable.
Rather, the moderation of worms olympics allows too many noob schemes hosted and played by some players, and he doesn't attach much importance to the most important schemes that made the history of this game: schemes that have more quality.
This is not right for me and I complain of poor moderation of these Olympics: little reciprocity, many individualism.
I'm glad to know what you think, thank you; (and sorry for possible grammatic errors.
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Moderators have nothing to do with it, its the new generation of wormers hosting all these new schemes, although after checking if what you are saying is true, theres a good variance of old and new schemes to be played plus worm olympics was allways more of a place for shenanigans and testing ground for new things that are unlikely to be hosted anywhere else.
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Olympics are moderated and supported on voluntary basis, therefore you should also point the finger at yourself. You should have done something more concrete, like hosting some tournaments and helping with the moderating part of it.
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I totally agree with you Melbo, that's why I decided to host a couple BnG Tournaments, but in my tournament a few players complained the rules were too difficult to understand and they thought the rules made playing generally too difficult which actually made me laugh a bit, I specifically hosted this Tournament in a way that noobs would suffer and highly skilled players could enjoy a competitive enviroment, also the a2b rules imo have been the most successful and popular rule set for BnG in the past 10 years, a2b has even influenced how people play other League BnG today, including introducing shotgun, I will help noobs to understand and get better but I won't feel sorry for their lack of skills/ambition to learn.
I also had Zwitter try to tell me how I should run my Tournament lol, telling me I should use Randombot(Umm, hell no lol) and that it's possible for me to cheat if I don't use Randombot, I have used the same format for pairing/proceeding players in Tournaments as I have done since like 2000 and i've never had complaints about the way I do it, it's a completely fair and unbiased system, and this all comes down to personal belief but i've played this game since June 1999, I have no reason to cheat I don't care about winning, I am actually well known for giving free wins if I don't enjoy the game because for me fun ALWAYS comes 1st.
Another thing people were complaining about was "why is there no lucky loser?". Well, to answer that simply - IT'S A COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENT, YOU F**KING LOST!!!, GO INTO THE CORNER OF YOUR ROOM AND CRY THEN GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!! But yeah, I don't believe in Lucky Loser, that only belongs to something like Comet Dodgin.
And I agree there are too many modern luck schemes and unpopular schemes, this isn't Worm Olympics it feels like Worm Special Olympics...
Worm Olympics is a great idea, it's just a shame it's a total noobfest these days, I did enjoy the BnG Tournament though, apart from a few people wanting things to be easier/luckier it was all good :)
Even in a time of supposedly "low activity" which is something I don't believe, the activity on WA is the same as it's been for past 5-6 years, just people less and less interested in Classic schemes and Leagues, if you do things that people are interested in and enjoy you will get more activity, TRL had the most active Season since 2012 at the same time with WO active and Summer holidays with many players gone, that's a great achievement imo :)
The next time there is Worm Olympics I will try and help make it more successful, having the right Tournaments at the right time helps this, i'll post more later gtg dinner at parents now.
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Olympics are moderated and supported on voluntary basis, therefore you should also point the finger at yourself. You should have done something more concrete, like hosting some tournaments and helping with the moderating part of it.
ano you're right, but I play a little worm olympics because I haven't much time to play such long tournaments. I'm doing everything possibile just
participating in games when I can.
This doesn't mean that I cannot make a complaint as they can do so many others.
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Moderators have nothing to do with it, its the new generation of wormers hosting all these new schemes, although after checking if what you are saying is true, theres a good variance of old and new schemes to be played plus worm olympics was allways more of a place for shenanigans and testing ground for new things that are unlikely to be hosted anywhere else.
I agree that the moderators have nothing to do with it. It 'a generalized reflection
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so you complain just to complain... like all italians like to do.
do something more concrete instead of crying.
like helping to plan next winter olympics etc... I can't stand people who cry just to cry. do something
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offtopic: ds is something amazing. while activity gets lower in general a new scheme got really popular and has a dedicated active playerbase maintaining own ladders and events on a constant basis. it shows this game still catches people if you come up with something innovative in a passionate fashion.
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All right everyone! Let's kill WO!!! Brb getting bombs! xD
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so you complain just to complain... like all italians like to do.
do something more concrete instead of crying.
like helping to plan next winter olympics etc... I can't stand people who cry just to cry. do something
I remind you that you are too Italian and you don't look much Italian from what you say. I'll try to do something concrete for what I can as you make yourself that you complain of my complaints.
I also am active on tus and worms olympics and partecipating is just something.
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I agree, WO became inactive and uncompetetive. This year UC is #1 but it doesn't feel like a real achievement at all. Because I know only reason why we are #1 is other clans either dropped their activity or simply didn't participate WO while we kept our activity. For example at 2013 (http://2013.wormolympics.com/standings/clans), fighting to be #5 on standings was more fun than current year.
As ANO suggested, we shouldn't let it be like this on next winter olympics. When time comes, we should plan for tournaments and stuff.
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I totally agree with you Melbo, that's why I decided to host a couple BnG Tournaments, but in my tournament a few players complained the rules were too difficult to understand and they thought the rules made playing generally too difficult which actually made me laugh a bit, I specifically hosted this Tournament in a way that noobs would suffer and highly skilled players could enjoy a competitive enviroment, also the a2b rules imo have been the most successful and popular rule set for BnG in the past 10 years, a2b has even influenced how people play other League BnG today, including introducing shotgun, I will help noobs to understand and get better but I won't feel sorry for their lack of skills/ambition to learn.
I also had Zwitter try to tell me how I should run my Tournament lol, telling me I should use Randombot(Umm, hell no lol) and that it's possible for me to cheat if I don't use Randombot, I have used the same format for pairing/proceeding players in Tournaments as I have done since like 2000 and i've never had complaints about the way I do it, it's a completely fair and unbiased system, and this all comes down to personal belief but i've played this game since June 1999, I have no reason to cheat I don't care about winning, I am actually well known for giving free wins if I don't enjoy the game because for me fun ALWAYS comes 1st.
Another thing people were complaining about was "why is there no lucky loser?". Well, to answer that simply - IT'S A COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENT, YOU F**KING LOST!!!, GO INTO THE CORNER OF YOUR ROOM AND CRY THEN GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!! But yeah, I don't believe in Lucky Loser, that only belongs to something like Comet Dodgin.
And I agree there are too many modern luck schemes and unpopular schemes, this isn't Worm Olympics it feels like Worm Special Olympics...
Worm Olympics is a great idea, it's just a shame it's a total noobfest these days, I did enjoy the BnG Tournament though, apart from a few people wanting things to be easier/luckier it was all good :)
Even in a time of supposedly "low activity" which is something I don't believe, the activity on WA is the same as it's been for past 5-6 years, just people less and less interested in Classic schemes and Leagues, if you do things that people are interested in and enjoy you will get more activity, TRL had the most active Season since 2012 at the same time with WO active and Summer holidays with many players gone, that's a great achievement imo :)
The next time there is Worm Olympics I will try and help make it more successful, having the right Tournaments at the right time helps this, i'll post more later gtg dinner at parents now.
The fun in a game is the main thing for me and I insist much on this, apart from else.
In moments of leisure I like playing worms and it seems more than fair.
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your comments are just about yourself, except for the first one. Propose something for next olympics instead of loosing time and frignare.
write some ideas, some plans... your negativism doesn't mean anything to this community, keep it back.
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but I play a little worm olympics because I haven't much time to play such long tournaments. I'm doing everything possible just
participating in games when I can.
Funnily enough, even though TUS cups are "long" and WO tourneys are "short", the time commitment in any given day is the inverse. With TUS cups, you can play one game per week if you like, but in the WO, you have to be there for hours, with only short breaks permitted (over 15 mins afk and you're kicked out, no?). And often the WO forces you to play at a bad time, i.e. too late when you're tired or too early when you aren't fully ready.
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However, I'm going to propose a new plan to involve more players and give more meaning to the wo competition for next winter worm olympics.
I wish that many (people) participate in this project especially thanks to your advices and participation, thanks.
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Maybe the W:A community as a whole is losing players. In that case, we should make W:A more popular in various ways.
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Your main complaint appear to be 'this is too different from classic leagues'.
I believe that was the point of WO, as lacoste put it.
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your comments are just about yourself, except for the first one. Propose something for next olympics instead of loosing time and frignare.
write some ideas, some plans... your negativism doesn't mean anything to this community, keep it back.
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Zitto e torna a giocare favaaa
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deh oh dehhhh boja
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Your main complaint appear to be 'this is too different from classic leagues'.
I believe that was the point of WO, as lacoste put it.
Yes, but that is a minor thing.
I'm going to ask to moderation of worms olympics for the next Olympics the position to introduce in addition to the usual tournaments ,tournament also from longer distance (1-2 days maximum).
Even in the real Olympic games, competitions aren't "sharp" , we have the first stage heats etc.
I suggest this because, in the end, the skill is not rewarded, but because one has to lose 24 hours on 24 playing these tournaments,consequently now who cannot afford to stay 4 hours without interruption to the computer could play.
If they want to hear me I'll glad, but basically I don't see what they would cost: in any case it will be the mod's game that decides how much to stretch its game.
Would you agree (the most important of all)?
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The only tournament we should concentrate on are Russian Roulette and Comet Dodging. Thats some fair stuff.
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The only tournament we should concentrate on are Russian Roulette and Comet Dodging. Thats some fair stuff.
What would be your definition for fair stuff? :o
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Well I personally wont ever practise for any tournament. But then its impossible to win against people who train every day for their shit scheme. So we have to think hard about what WO means!
Is it for everyone? For people who want fun? Thats a clear no!
Is it for the 5-10 pros who want their medals? It sure is. In Russian and Comet everyone can enjoy and have fun and win. We need more like that but in all fairness some pro tournaments as well no prob.
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MaxScheme for TRL!
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MaxScheme for TRL!
sure :P
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MaxScheme is not a bad example people can win there without practising for decades :) I mean we did but thats another topic.
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Well I personally wont ever practise for any tournament. But then its impossible to win against people who train every day for their shit scheme. So we have to think hard about what WO means!
Is it for everyone? For people who want fun? Thats a clear no!
Is it for the 5-10 pros who want their medals? It sure is. In Russian and Comet everyone can enjoy and have fun and win. We need more like that but in all fairness some pro tournaments as well no prob.
This idea is having some sense indeed.
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Well I personally wont ever practise for any tournament. But then its impossible to win against people who train every day for their shit scheme. So we have to think hard about what WO means!
Is it for everyone? For people who want fun? Thats a clear no!
Is it for the 5-10 pros who want their medals? It sure is. In Russian and Comet everyone can enjoy and have fun and win. We need more like that but in all fairness some pro tournaments as well no prob.
those pros, if they respect the rules and are strong, they have the right to win every time they deserve. Otherwise it wo becomes the tournament of "casuistry"
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Yeah well then its only a discussion what WO means and what its for. Sure if its a 1 month nonstop pro shit then fine. Useless dogshit for most ^^
Or should it be both? If you want more people to join the cause it has to be both.
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That explains some of your posts, Komo ;D
Your main criticism appears to be on the way the final standings are calculated then, melbo. That's a fair point to criticise. Problem is - how would you solve it?
One idea would be to let the person with the best average result win. Then skill would be rewarded, as you put it. But what if I join a CDRW tourney (because let's face it, with my current skill level, that's probably the only tourney I could win now other than maybe bungee if I warmed up) and win that tourney and then not play another tournament.
Now, my average result is winning a tournament, which is better than anyone else, because everybody also played other tournaments. Doesn't seem like this would solve the problem and I can see the complaints coming already from people who play a lot, win a lot, but can't beat that one guy who only won one tourney and played only one.
Another suggestion would be to only count medals towards the score. I can tell you that medals already determine most of the score people currently have, so you'll have the same problem as with the current system.
Another possibility would be to just play the tournaments you like and not even look at the score. That's what most people do anyway. WO was never meant to be a hardcore league (in fact, back when FFie and I were still involved we always did our best to annoy people who tried anything to get more points, like aliasing, fixing pairings and such by giving them penalties at the end), but if people care about getting most points (with fair play), why deny them that?