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Title: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 29, 2016, 04:14 PM
I would like to think that some of you know about rubberworm, and that you are familiar with its capabilities.
For those who don't, you could read and download it here:
http://worms2d.info/RubberWorm

So Masta and I roped around with /ir enabled (Enables Worms 2 Rope). I myself was immediate puzzled ''Why isn't this rope default on WA?'' And if my memory serves me right, I think the rope on WA used to be a lot more lighter and faster.
The overall roping experience felt a whole lot more natural to me. The momentum and speed it builds up from each key strokes and bounce is just amazing. There's no wonder why people used to rope around 12 seconds on ropers.

So my question is, why isn't Worms 2 rope default?
Why was WA rope bugged down? (If it ever was, see above^).
Could it be possible to have Worms 2 rope to be default?

IF you are you unfamiliar with Worms 2 Rope, please try it out and test it for yourself.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: StepS on August 29, 2016, 04:36 PM
Note that the "Improved Rope" option in RubberWorm is not exactly the Worms2 rope. Worms2 rope physics had some fundamental differences, as far as I remember. This is only a rough approximation that doesn't modify the W:A rope itself (it's only the angle and acceleration, which are already tweakable).
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: spleen17 on August 29, 2016, 04:56 PM
I swear I showed you this like a year ago Kradie.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 29, 2016, 06:37 PM
Note that the "Improved Rope" option in RubberWorm is not exactly the Worms2 rope. Worms2 rope physics had some fundamental differences, as far as I remember. This is only a rough approximation that doesn't modify the W:A rope itself (it's only the angle and acceleration, which are already tweakable).

Yeah even if it is a ''wannabe-replica'', the rope felt better compared to the current rope. Therefore I thought it could be better idea to have this Worms 2 clone rope as default WA rope.

 Is that an unreasonable idea to propose?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: TheWalrus on August 29, 2016, 06:48 PM
Is that an unreasonable idea to propose?
Yes. 

Feel free to use your w2 rope in private games, but you are 17 years too late to suggest rope changes in league, a la worms WMD. 

You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Dr Abegod on August 29, 2016, 07:07 PM
After a roper game with Kradie today with this modified rope, I must admit and agree that it's way more fun, smooth and natural. I think a future update should contain an improved rope update.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: AduN on August 29, 2016, 07:08 PM
You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Dr Abegod on August 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
I don't see "league" mentioned anywhere in Kradie's post, this is about changing the game, not a tus rule...
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
Is that an unreasonable idea to propose?
Yes. 

Feel free to use your w2 rope in private games, but you are 17 years too late to suggest rope changes in league, a la worms WMD. 

You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

James,  I'm a casual player of Worms Armageddon, who enjoys good and fun games with friends. I see nothing unreasonable about my desires for making it default. I doubt anyone who is very competitive that plays rope based league games will have an issue with this old school rope if they actually got used to it.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: lalo on August 29, 2016, 07:19 PM
Is that an unreasonable idea to propose?
Yes. 

Feel free to use your w2 rope in private games, but you are 17 years too late to suggest rope changes in league, a la worms WMD. 

You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

James,  I'm a casual player of Worms Armageddon, who enjoys good and fun games with friends. I see nothing unreasonable about my desires for making it default. I doubt anyone who is very competitive that plays rope based league games will have an issue with this old school rope if they actually got used to it.

Used to play w2. Nope thx. This entire topic is so stupid that I feel like a fool replying lol.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 29, 2016, 07:31 PM
Is that an unreasonable idea to propose?
Yes. 

Feel free to use your w2 rope in private games, but you are 17 years too late to suggest rope changes in league, a la worms WMD. 

You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

James,  I'm a casual player of Worms Armageddon, who enjoys good and fun games with friends. I see nothing unreasonable about my desires for making it default. I doubt anyone who is very competitive that plays rope based league games will have an issue with this old school rope if they actually got used to it.

Used to play w2. Nope thx. This entire topic is so stupid that I feel like a fool replying lol.
Worms 2 was a good game, the roping there was nice. I don't think it's stupid, I think healthy. And you are no fool man :)
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kaleu on August 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
Is this a request for WA in general or TUS Rope scheme?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 30, 2016, 12:03 AM
Is this a request for WA in general or TUS Rope scheme?

It's not really a request, it's more of a shout out, to hear what other player think about Worms 2 rope.
But if people are up for some tweaks and changes on WA, then why not.
Some has said that Worms 2 rope is way easier to wield and to use.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Xrayez on August 30, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feels more natural but at the same time you gotta get used to it.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: MeTonaTOR on August 30, 2016, 11:26 AM
You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

Does one should play any league to suggest an improvement for a game?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: AduN on August 30, 2016, 12:08 PM
You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

Does one should play any league to suggest an improvement for a game?

Yes.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on August 30, 2016, 04:17 PM
You don't even play league anyways, don't know why you are interested in the default rope for it.

Does one should play any league to suggest an improvement for a game?

Yes.

So I guess the ''supposedly'' 3.8 or 4.0 update for WA are for all those who plays leagues?  And any Improvement to the game in general does not reflect the ones who doesn't play leagues?? That's doesn't seem so right, WA is a small community, and there's plenty of people who plays for fun. I'm one of those people and I wouldn't mind seeing some changes here and there.

But I would assume this practice applies for other games as well, where league players give suggestion on how to Improve a game and where a non league players gives his/her two cents it quickly becomes irrelevant?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on August 31, 2016, 07:29 PM
Note that the "Improved Rope" option in RubberWorm is not exactly the Worms2 rope. Worms2 rope physics had some fundamental differences, as far as I remember. This is only a rough approximation that doesn't modify the W:A rope itself (it's only the angle and acceleration, which are already tweakable).

How, besides IR and TS? I mainly miss Worms2 for it's precise settings - damage a single mortar piece does in exact health points, not just 5 power level to choose i.e.

If a genie or feary would grant me 3 wishes – one would be having Worms2 source code (and permission to upgrade and distribute) ^^
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Triad on September 01, 2016, 06:29 AM
It would be fun if devs brought original w2 rope on WA and made it activatable with a command like /w2rope on upcoming v3.8, or on rubberworm, so people could use it on funners or host tournaments and cups for it.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on September 01, 2016, 10:43 AM
It would be fun if devs brought original w2 rope on WA and made it activatable with a command like /w2rope on upcoming v3.8, or on rubberworm, so people could use it on funners or host tournaments and cups for it.

The command that simulate Worms 2 rope is already available in rubberworm /ir.

Although, it would be nice to have this command without rubberworm.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Triad on September 01, 2016, 05:40 PM
It would be fun if devs brought original w2 rope on WA and made it activatable with a command like /w2rope on upcoming v3.8, or on rubberworm, so people could use it on funners or host tournaments and cups for it.

The command that simulate Worms 2 rope is already available in rubberworm /ir.

Although, it would be nice to have this command without rubberworm.
Oh, is it a complete replica of  original w2? Or just something closer?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: spleen17 on September 01, 2016, 05:47 PM
It would be fun if devs brought original w2 rope on WA and made it activatable with a command like /w2rope on upcoming v3.8, or on rubberworm, so people could use it on funners or host tournaments and cups for it.

The command that simulate Worms 2 rope is already available in rubberworm /ir.

Although, it would be nice to have this command without rubberworm.
Oh, is it a complete replica of  original w2? Or just something closer?

The latter.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Rabbzz on September 02, 2016, 02:22 AM
Just need someone to get w2 stable for Windows 10 and ill come play it with ya  :D
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: StepS on September 02, 2016, 08:18 AM
Just need someone to get w2 stable for Windows 10 and ill come play it with ya  :D
It's already stable if you install ReSolution with windowed mode support: https://worms2d.info/ReSolution
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 02, 2016, 08:26 AM
Just need someone to get w2 stable for Windows 10 and ill come play it with ya  :D
It's already stable if you install ReSolution with windowed mode support: https://worms2d.info/ReSolution

OpenSource even* - HowMuchAikLikesStepS++;  ;)

*) Well - of cource not Worms2, the WK… W2 would be too good to be true.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: MeTonaTOR on September 02, 2016, 02:23 PM
Just need someone to get w2 stable for Windows 10 and ill come play it with ya  :D

Forget Worms 2 if you have GOG Version and Windows 10... afaik CD Version works
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: AduN on September 02, 2016, 07:42 PM
do a w2 roper tourney!
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Rabbzz on September 02, 2016, 11:04 PM
Just need someone to get w2 stable for Windows 10 and ill come play it with ya  :D
It's already stable if you install ReSolution with windowed mode support: https://worms2d.info/ReSolution
oooo Ill have to find my disk  :D
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 03, 2016, 09:33 AM
Tournament… I'd say let's do 1 Worms2Day each week. WA-Shutdown every wednesday, free W2 copy for everyone who owns WA *just dreaming*

any1 got the latest update for me? worms2d.info links Team17 page - nothing happening when clicking on DL-Patch  ???
Also: any1 tried running Worms2 via wine? Get some uncaught divide-by-0 errors…
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: MeTonaTOR on September 03, 2016, 07:09 PM
Tournament… I'd say let's do 1 Worms2Day each week. WA-Shutdown every wednesday, free W2 copy for everyone who owns WA *just dreaming*

any1 got the latest update for me? worms2d.info links Team17 page - nothing happening when clicking on DL-Patch  ???
Also: any1 tried running Worms2 via wine? Get some uncaught divide-by-0 errors…

Worms 2: ftp://ftp.team17.com/pub/t17/worms2/patches/ pick your version, if unsure, click the Worms2Patch005_En.exe
Worms Armageddon: ftp://ftp.team17.com/pub/t17/patches/pc/WA_update-3.7.2.1_Installer.exe

not sure which one you want
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 03, 2016, 07:27 PM
any1 got the latest update for me? worms2d.info links Team17 page - nothing happening when clicking on DL-Patch  ???
Also: any1 tried running Worms2 via wine? Get some uncaught divide-by-0 errors…

Worms 2: ftp://ftp.team17.com/pub/t17/worms2/patches/ pick your version, if unsure, click the Worms2Patch005_En.exe
Worms Armageddon: ftp://ftp.team17.com/pub/t17/patches/pc/WA_update-3.7.2.1_Installer.exe

not sure which one you want

Worms2 - ty very much
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: blitzed on September 03, 2016, 09:26 PM
does w2 still not work online? I can make a room but no1 come in
if anyone still plays i'd be up for a game
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: AduN on September 04, 2016, 04:37 AM
any1 who could send me in private any
ABSOLUTLY LEGAL WAY TO OBTAIN TEH GAME
plz.



edit: ok i found a copy totally original in my collection, just installed and works fine with the module and patch (thx guys). there is 2 things:

- i dont have any schemes to play and cant find on internet, give a hand pleaseeeeEE.
- i dont know if i can play online, in the frontend appears my private IP (192.168.1.x), there is a way to modify that? or we can play with a vpn service (like hamachi)

edit2: ok, i just found some opt and weaps files (both files is the scheme) in http://worms.sydv.net/worms2/ and some maps.

http://worms.sydv.net/downloads/worms2/reaperznfatsam.zip
http://worms.sydv.net/downloads/worms2/options.zip
http://worms.sydv.net/downloads/worms2/weapons.zip
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: TheWalrus on September 04, 2016, 08:54 AM
worms2 is the same thing as wa pretty much, only unpatched and with less features, dont understand the fascination with it

when wa came out i never looked back, played it once or twice since then, and next to zero players from wa went back to w2, which is no coincidence
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 04, 2016, 09:48 AM
[…] the fascination with it

…is:
a) more precise scheme and waeapon settings
b) faster rope - better feeling for some (even better as /ir)
c) frontend optimized for pc (W:A's is more optimized  for Nintendo64…)
d) ReSolutionWK allows zoooming with mouse - how nice is that?! Why isn't W:A capable of it yet?

apart from that, you are right… patches, updates, active community, etc. is on W:As side… but even here in W:A comunity 5 out of 22 people whant at least the worms2 rope  ;)

btw - we were young and stupid, but when w:a came out, precise weapon and scheme settings were missed so much – we switched back to W2.
I wish everyone would have done that 1999/2000, and W:A would be the dead one, everyone playing Worms2-v8.271-Rubber-PX-Flawless-Deluxe ;)

ps: When I finaly find the way to run W2 via wine - I'll call for Worms2-Wednesday…
…and rest of the week no mocking about how much better a developed version of W2 would be compared to W:A  ;)
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 04, 2016, 10:04 AM
pressed quote instead of modify and didn't notice…  :-X
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on September 04, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mr aik has indeed pointed out the good perks and truth about Worms 2.

However, I have failed to see a concrete post as to WHY the idea of Implementing Worms 2 rope onto Worms Armageddon. People are simply voting shallow without giving a good convoluted statement.

Worms 2 rope on WA would be good idea.

Pros
- Acceleration of Rope.
- Beginners can adapt the rope easier.
- Learning curve is more fun.
- FR, hacks & Scripts may decline due to flexibility and agility of rope.

Cons
Those who are highly skilled and experienced, may not appreciate the easy and accelerated handling of Rope.
New learning curve might throw some people off. These are people who are NOT willing.

Overall, to have Worms 2 rope on WA would be a welcome change, to keep the game fresh and feel new to old and newcomers.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 04, 2016, 08:05 PM
However, I have failed to see a concrete post as to WHY the idea of Implementing Worms 2 rope onto Worms Armageddon. People are simply voting shallow without giving a good convoluted statement.
Worms 2 rope on WA would be good idea.

Well i think /ir is the closest you can get with W:A-physics-modification - guess for 100% same behaviour you'd have to implement whole worms2 physics…
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on September 04, 2016, 08:21 PM
However, I have failed to see a concrete post as to WHY the idea of Implementing Worms 2 rope onto Worms Armageddon. People are simply voting shallow without giving a good convoluted statement.
Worms 2 rope on WA would be good idea.

Well i think /ir is the closest you can get with W:A-physics-modification - guess for 100% same behaviour you'd have to implement whole worms2 physics…

Worrms Armageddon was ''supposed'' to be an add-on for Worms 2, but it got too ambitious. So I'm not entirely sure if the physics on Worms 2 are so different to WA. Except for the roping behavior of course.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Anubis on September 08, 2016, 11:10 AM
W2 rope feel > W:A.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: h3oCharles on September 08, 2016, 02:57 PM
Thing is, this is your personal preference. You may argue or not, but developer-wise, this is impossible due to retro-compatibility.

And for the guys that don't know, u can get W2 on GOG. Have fun there.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 08, 2016, 03:06 PM
Thing is, this is your personal preference. You may argue or not, but developer-wise, this is impossible due to retro-compatibility.

And for the guys that don't know, u can get W2 on GOG. Have fun there.

Well we're just dreaming… and there is /IR.
But I don't think it would be impossible to implement exact W2-compatibility - but work/payoff rate woudn't be very good - therefore unlikely ;)

Also GOG-W2 doesn't have online support… no buy for me (but I own the CD - so no need anyway).
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Kradie on September 08, 2016, 05:05 PM
Thing is, this is your personal preference. You may argue or not, but developer-wise, this is impossible due to retro-compatibility.

And for the guys that don't know, u can get W2 on GOG. Have fun there.

Quote
Worrms Armageddon was ''supposed'' to be an add-on for Worms 2, but it got too ambitious. So I'm not entirely sure if the physics on Worms 2 are so different to WA. Except for the roping behavior of course.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: aik on September 08, 2016, 05:19 PM
(http://k.kai.dj/mix/w2_weapons.png)  :'(

What do you whant to say with the 2 quotes Kradie?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Plutonic on September 08, 2016, 07:43 PM
I see no harm in implemening a rope variation (Worms 2 physics or otherwise), but it would have to be an option, you couldn't just force that on people as the default. Other than it just being a bad idea to do so, it would make versioning a real pain. By that I mean that when ever someone with an older version joined a game, forcing version emulation, the rope physics would change.

That said, I would love to see the W2 weapons bought back. They weren't the greatest weapons, but I never saw any reason to get rid of them...
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Dub-c on September 10, 2016, 03:48 AM
worms2 is the same thing as wa pretty much, only unpatched and with less features, dont understand the fascination with it

when wa came out i never looked back, played it once or twice since then, and next to zero players from wa went back to w2, which is no coincidence

W:A = W2 noob edition. You never played W2. Its not even close.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: TheWalrus on September 10, 2016, 11:59 AM
worms2 is the same thing as wa pretty much, only unpatched and with less features, dont understand the fascination with it

when wa came out i never looked back, played it once or twice since then, and next to zero players from wa went back to w2, which is no coincidence

W:A = W2 noob edition. You never played W2. Its not even close.
I definitely played w2, but i was a little noob bitch, got my ass kicked on roperz ladder and that weird bng ladder too.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: Sensei on September 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
I remember playing W2 as a 6-7 y/o kid.
Was it in that series when worm is about to die he turns green, falls on ground and says smth like "It's not"??  Or it was WWP?
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: XanKriegor on September 10, 2016, 12:39 PM
Yes W2. You could destroy its grave with enough damage)) As well as dud mines.
Title: Re: Worms 2 Rope on WA
Post by: shamrocked on September 13, 2016, 06:54 AM
Ditto.

worms2 is the same thing as wa pretty much, only unpatched and with less features, dont understand the fascination with it

when wa came out i never looked back, played it once or twice since then, and next to zero players from wa went back to w2, which is no coincidence

W:A = W2 noob edition. You never played W2. Its not even close.