interesting
Cup #800 wooo ! :D
Everyone is getting employed. :o
Cool!
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on October 08, 2015, 07:47 AM
Everyone is getting employed. :o
Cool!
Just putting tus prize money to good use ;D
Good luck :)
I think the scheme is flawed though. With so many handguns/bats/crap weaps in it's hardly possible to do any serious harm before SD. And with the low TUS scores on SD weaps.. it's likely you end up with many drawn games. :-[
I can see this only working with more time on the clock tbh.
THATS TRUE !
Add maybe 1 homing to each.
Quote from: HHC on October 08, 2015, 11:34 AM
With so many handguns/bats/crap weaps in it's hardly possible to do any serious harm before SD. And with the low TUS scores on SD weaps.. it's likely you end up with many drawn games. :-[
I can see this only working with more time on the clock tbh.
That's what I said about Chicken23's scheme
Quote from: Senator on February 16, 2015, 01:45 PM
I guess there is a reason for the current crate probabilities. In your scheme probability for powerful non-SD weapons is lower so it's more difficult to kill the opponent with non-SD weapons. That means games will be more often SD weapon battles than before, or?
Wasn't water rise also slower when all weapons had the same probability? You had then more time to kill the opponent with non-SD weapons than in TUS scheme.
I think the greater number of shitty weapons doesn't affect that much after all. But we'll see about that :P
How many early kills do u see with the TUS "boom boom" scheme anyway? A worm gets attacked once by a big bomb and then it's moved to a cover. No TUS game ends before SD and usually u have at least 3 worms left heading to SD.
I came only for the money bitches :P
I don't come for the little carrot, I come for the big ones 8)
He said then joined :D
You missed the point :)
By big carrots I mean big cocks.
I already received an award for this one, but once in a while you gotta slap it around in people's faces.
the TUS scheme is perfect nothing wrong... But for $30 ill play this one naked !
One more and we're set!
We're set then! :D :D
Not yet! :P
1 kamikaze would be a needed addition to the scheme.
Yeah. kami would be good !
Sticked to 16 players. Those who were excluded haven't played T17 in tus/trl or had the lowest rating.
GL HF
Group stage deadline is Sunday 2015-10-25 (2 weeks).
Group 4: host, sponsor, mafioso :D
This is unfair, I was looking forward to participate.
i'm famous
Quote from: Senator on October 08, 2015, 01:12 PM
Quote from: HHC on October 08, 2015, 11:34 AM
With so many handguns/bats/crap weaps in it's hardly possible to do any serious harm before SD. And with the low TUS scores on SD weaps.. it's likely you end up with many drawn games. :-[
I can see this only working with more time on the clock tbh.
That's what I said about Chicken23's scheme
Quote from: Senator on February 16, 2015, 01:45 PM
I guess there is a reason for the current crate probabilities. In your scheme probability for powerful non-SD weapons is lower so it's more difficult to kill the opponent with non-SD weapons. That means games will be more often SD weapon battles than before, or?
Wasn't water rise also slower when all weapons had the same probability? You had then more time to kill the opponent with non-SD weapons than in TUS scheme.
I think the greater number of shitty weapons doesn't affect that much after all. But we'll see about that :P
How many early kills do u see with the TUS "boom boom" scheme anyway? A worm gets attacked once by a big bomb and then it's moved to a cover. No TUS game ends before SD and usually u have at least 3 worms left heading to SD.
I disagree and believe the scheme to be the best edit so far after the global acceptance that old t17 channel and FB schemes (of all equal chances with couple of edits) creates too many sd weapons.
This goes back to original t17 schemes but with some slight changes to the sd weapons. You still get plenty of powerful weapons to make damage to a worm for more than 60+, but you also have to learn to deal with the cr8 of getting the shitty weapons.
tus t17 is the worst t17 scheme in the history of wa.
So in other words, I am not deemed worthy to participate in this cup because I have no official rating? Because I when I first signed up for this cup I failed to see a minimum requirement to partake. Besides I was way before 16 too.
I'm just a player of this community along with those who got removed, that only wanted to play. Where is the equality in all of this, Senator? Why couldn't the rest play? Because we lacked points and status?
The groups that are paired are obviously paired by clans and it feels very bias.
Quote from: Kradie on October 11, 2015, 08:06 PM
So in other words, I am not deemed worthy to participate in this cup because I have no official rating? Because I when I first signed up for this cup I failed to see a minimum requirement to partake. Besides I was way before 16 too.
I'm just a player of this community along with those who got removed, that only wanted to play. Where is the equality in all of this, Senator? Why couldn't the rest play? Because we lacked points and status?
The groups that are paired are obviously paired by clans and it feels very bias.
I wanted 4 players groups (16 players) and we got 19 players so I had to cut off some players. This is "experimental cup" so I wanted players who have a lot of experience of T17 to participate, that's why it was appropriate to choose players based on T17 experience/rating. This is just one cup among others.. you have chance to participate in many upcoming cups :)
If the groups were paired by clans, then Sbaffo, Free and Chelsea should be in the same group, right? Afaik I clicked pair by totally random :-X
Quote from: Senator on October 11, 2015, 08:52 PM
Quote from: Kradie on October 11, 2015, 08:06 PM
So in other words, I am not deemed worthy to participate in this cup because I have no official rating? Because I when I first signed up for this cup I failed to see a minimum requirement to partake. Besides I was way before 16 too.
I'm just a player of this community along with those who got removed, that only wanted to play. Where is the equality in all of this, Senator? Why couldn't the rest play? Because we lacked points and status?
The groups that are paired are obviously paired by clans and it feels very bias.
I wanted 4 players groups (16 players) and we got 19 players so I had to cut off some players. This is "experimental cup" so I wanted players who have a lot of experience of T17 to participate, that's why it was appropriate to choose players based on T17 experience/rating. This is just one cup among others.. you have chance to participate in many upcoming cups :)
If the groups were paired by clans, then Sbaffo, Free and Chelsea should be in the same group, right? Afaik I clicked pair by totally random :-X
So I am not ''experienced'' because I am not ranked on tus? While I don't have my ranks documented here, I am experienced with Team17, and that is why I decided to sign up for this cup.
You say that this is ''Experimental cup'' and only ''experienced'' players may partake, why would a price be involved in an experiment? Besides, look how you promote your cup ''T17 cup with a new scheme and $30 prize''
You could have left your desired cup details in the cup. Instead of leading people on.
Or have it closed and then browse for players with ''Experience'' and invite them.
Senator, you could just have set the cup to auto-close at 16... It is not fair to pick and choose who plays in a public cup.
Really lame, dude.
Hey everyone in My group.. I can only play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
Please send me a time thats good for you within these hours and I will be there...
Does it mean i am experienced? Huehuehue
@Kradie
I had no idea how experienced u are. Tus stats are pretty much the only source out there and u hadn't any stats. That indicates u haven't played the tus scheme version much.
A prize is involved because obviously not many would be interested in pure scheme testing. At the same time I wanted a high level competition, which wouldn't be possible without a prize.
I thought about closed signups and at first I had "players will be chosen based on T17 ratings" written in the cup details. But then I realized we might not get enough players that way :-[
@spleen17
Imo it's totally fine to have signups open for some days and then choose players based on objective measures (rating/played games). It would be stupid to just give the spots to those who surf on TUS sites several times per day. This arrangement indeed was fair because it gave everyone a chance, not just for the most active members. I could have selected players by random instead but obviously I didn't want to exclude the best t17 players.
del
Quote from: Senator on October 12, 2015, 07:55 AM
Imo it's totally fine to have signups open for some days and then choose players based on objective measures (rating/played games). It would be stupid to just give the spots to those who surf on TUS sites several times per day. This arrangement indeed was fair because it gave everyone a chance, not just for the most active members. I could have selected players by random instead but obviously I didn't want to exclude the best t17 players.
You didn;t have to exclude anyone, you could have just waited for 1 more and started with 20. You would still have got the feedback you wanted on the scheme.
It just seems like elitism. You are one of those who is always moaning about the drop in activity... how do you expect new players to start playing if they just get discarded from cups and such? It's a shame to see imo.
Quote from: spleen17 on October 12, 2015, 10:32 AM
You didn;t have to exclude anyone, you could have just waited for 1 more and started with 20. You would still have got the feedback you wanted on the scheme.
It just seems like elitism. You are one of those who is always moaning about the drop in activity... how do you expect new players to start playing if they just get discarded from cups and such? It's a shame to see imo.
With 4 players groups the cup runs more smoothly (u need to arrange games only with 3 players instead of 4). I even asked HHC's opinion on this before I decided to stick to the original plan of 16 players.
Senator: [October 10, 2015, 11:31 AM]
hhc, 16 or 20 players for t17 cup ??
Senator: [October 10, 2015, 11:31 AM]
5 players groups too big?
Those players got discarded only because we had extra players and I was worried that we would have problems finishing the cup with 5 players groups.
There are 15 other cups atm besides all the leagues. That's a lot from which to choose.
Quote from: Senator on October 12, 2015, 07:55 AM
@Kradie
I had no idea how experienced u are. Tus stats are pretty much the only source out there and u hadn't any stats. That indicates u haven't played the tus scheme version much.
A prize is involved because obviously not many would be interested in pure scheme testing. At the same time I wanted a high level competition, which wouldn't be possible without a prize.
I thought about closed signups and at first I had "players will be chosen based on T17 ratings" written in the cup details. But then I realized we might not get enough players that way :-[
@spleen17
Imo it's totally fine to have signups open for some days and then choose players based on objective measures (rating/played games). It would be stupid to just give the spots to those who surf on TUS sites several times per day. This arrangement indeed was fair because it gave everyone a chance, not just for the most active members. I could have selected players by random instead but obviously I didn't want to exclude the best t17 players.
So it's just better to exclude people who haven't got a rating on tus and who might not have played that particular version of the same? This is something that you should have mentioned, You could have taken the liberty to send a private message to those who are in the danger zone and ask about their commitment instead of striking them out.
Listen to what you said here
QuoteThis is "experimental cup" so I wanted players who have a lot of experience of T17 to participate, that's why it was appropriate to choose players based on T17 experience/rating.
and now this
QuoteA prize is involved because obviously not many would be interested in pure scheme testing. At the same time I wanted a high level competition, which wouldn't be possible without a prize.
First this was an experimental cup, then later on in this thread you revealed it's a high level competition, which again you failed to leave in the cup details.
Senator, we had plenty of players, we were close to 20, we only lacked 1 more player. Instead you favored the aristocracy aka the elitists. You rather deal with what you know instead of the unknown with no tittles.
This whole cup is unfair and Senator swings back and fort of what he wants and what he doesn't. Because of this, no one was really given a chance. I find this situation distasteful.
Hmm? I don't see how my expectations for this cup are in conflict in any way. As mentioned, I wanted
1. get feedback on this scheme version compared to TUS scheme
2. have a high level t17 cup
In both cases experienced t17 players are desired, and in both cases a prize is useful.
Not all players in this cup are experienced t17 players. I could reselect 12 players based on ratings, then select the rest 4 randomly out of the remaining 7 players (using RandomBot in WN) and replace players depending on the result. How does that sound to u?
While I appreciate your approach for solution it wouldn't justify anything. It would only remove players that wanted to partake in an open cup.
Your thuughts & desires came more apparent as the thread expanded, which again wasn't included in the limited requirements to join this specific cup.
You could reconcile and have this cup open again and let those who were wrongly tossed away get a new chance to come back.
IF you really wanted a cup for the high and mighty, you could have arranged it differently.
KungPow
HHC
Free
I'm available on Friday/Saturday (flexible). tell me what time you want in these days and I'll arrange it.
I also prefer if u could send me a PM so I don't miss your message
Sorry but I don't want 5 players groups so case closed then.. Chelsea and Lukz also played one game already so can't make changes anymore.
Senator, you should be wise to take this advice: If you want to play with your friends, make it private, and don't differentiate people by their rank, it's wrong.
What a group I have gotten!
Csongi, Berria, WhiteRabbit:
Is Next Sunday 17 GMT fine?
We are moving to 5 players groups after all. Apologies for the bad cup info and welcome back Kradie + the others :-[
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be there !
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be there !
Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..
GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper) ;)
Quote from: Senator on October 23, 2015, 08:38 AM
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be there !
Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..
GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper) ;)
hahhahaha xD I saw him online 3 times -> last week, thursday and friday he didn't anser me and yesterday he didn't wnana play coz he was drunk... ::)
Quote from: Chelsea on October 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
hahhahaha xD I saw him online 3 times -> last week, thursday and friday he didn't anser me and yesterday he didn't wnana play coz he was drunk... ::)
Ok but he is waiting that u tell him date & time (within given hours), then he will show up in AG :P
Quote from: Senator on October 23, 2015, 08:38 AM
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be there !
Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..
GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper) ;)
I already did with Berria and I'm going to play the entire Sunday too.
still waiting my group mates show their faces :)
Group 2 and 4 proceeded. I give an extra week for Group 1 and 3 because pizzasheet and GreatProfe tried to arrange their games.
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weekdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
i will be online all week 07:00-12:00 GMT pm the PIZZASNo0P
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 26, 2015, 08:36 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weekdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
i will be online all week 07:00-12:00 GMT pm the PIZZASNo0P
At morning im at studies... But i will try to be online at wednesday or friday morning. + Im out weekend.
Quote from: Chelsea on October 26, 2015, 09:43 AM
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 26, 2015, 08:36 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weekdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
i will be online all week 07:00-12:00 GMT pm the PIZZASNo0P
At morning im at studies... But i will try to be online at wednesday or friday morning. + Im out weekend.
what about now ? we are both online ...
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 26, 2015, 09:55 AM
Quote from: Chelsea on October 26, 2015, 09:43 AM
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 26, 2015, 08:36 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weekdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
i will be online all week 07:00-12:00 GMT pm the PIZZASNo0P
At morning im at studies... But i will try to be online at wednesday or friday morning. + Im out weekend.
what about now ? we are both online ...
Im at phone at studies xD
Quote from: pizzasheet on October 26, 2015, 08:36 AM
I can play CUP games 07:00-12:00 GMT weekdays & 00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends...
i will be online all week 07:00-12:00 GMT pm the PIZZASNo0P
i can just in weekends with that hours xd
saturday at 2gmt?
Profe Sunday what hour???
Greatprofe .........
Its another week that is hard to catch you.
You dont even checking this thread as i see.... Secoundly .........You seriously thing that its a good idea to join a TUS WA Cup when you are able to play only in Sundays ?????
Berria, what's the problem playin only on the Sundays?
It worked fine last Sunday and would work better if You and WhiteRabbit appear.
TUS forums became a lot of "challenge the person above you" and bullshit so It's hard to find something useful among many trash. Good times when eS clan was spotted in the threads.
I will be able to play 14 GMT. Be there this time.
You didnt get me.
The problem is that for example i can play whole week but i cant play in this sunday...
Srsly u cant play in any other day?
If You ask me, I could give a try.
Actually I couldnt, but if you cant play on Sundays, I may try in a time before class or in the lunchtime at work, idk, tell me what time would fit well for you and lets see.
I've lost for WhiteRabbit, so I have no more chances to get a KO place.
GJ and GL all.
About the scheme, I already told to Chicken and I'll say one more time: balanced is the only thing this scheme it's not :D
TUS scheme, with all its problems, it's still much better than this.
Nice try anyway, Tom!
Quote from: GreatProfe on November 01, 2015, 06:20 PM
I've lost for WhiteRabbit, so I have no more chances to get a KO place.
GJ and GL all.
About the scheme, I already told to Chicken and I'll say one more time: balanced is the only thing this scheme it's not :D
TUS scheme, with all its problems, it's still much better than this.
Nice try anyway, Tom!
Hopefully u and Hussar play the last game because it's decisive between Hussar and Csongi.
"Balanced" stands for equal crate probabilities (except for a few weaps), not for equal weapons for both players :P And this cup scheme is not exactly Tom's scheme but very close to it.
Mind tell why u feel the tus scheme is better? Because both get only good weaps so less luck? This comes to dealing with poor weaps (either use the "poor" weaps better or use girders instead).
GretProfe....... i work from 7 gmt till 15 gmt.. so just choose time.
What will gonna happen to Group 1?
Quote from: Hussar on November 01, 2015, 08:40 PM
GretProfe....... i work from 7 gmt till 15 gmt.. so just choose time.
Berria, I'll be online startin from 20 GMT, see you there!
Quote from: Senator on November 01, 2015, 06:56 PM
Hopefully u and Hussar play the last game because it's decisive between Hussar and Csongi.
"Balanced" stands for equal crate probabilities (except for a few weaps), not for equal weapons for both players :P And this cup scheme is not exactly Tom's scheme but very close to it.
Mind tell why u feel the tus scheme is better? Because both get only good weaps so less luck? This comes to dealing with poor weaps (either use the "poor" weaps better or use girders instead).
You quoted well when said "TUS scheme is better because both good weaps". That's what I felt comparated to your scheme. Imo, there's no problem if scheme gives you and opponent a HHG. Shall win the one who use the HHG "better".
Your scheme gives mortars, mole bomb, bat... in the same probabilty of dyna, granny, etc. Those weapons cant be in the same group of the main weapons. You're adding luck in the game when player A collect flame (120 damage) and player B collect mole (15 damage) and well, that's not the point what you're targetting, isnt it?
TUS scheme offers few ratio (0,6%) for awful weapons and this is correct. Obviouslly the scheme has problems but it seems like the best one so far.
In what day profe? i cant play in tuesday coz EAC. You said hour but not a day.
sorry, I was meaning today (holyday in Brazil), I'm in ag, call me there when you get ready
Quote from: GreatProfe on November 02, 2015, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Hussar on November 01, 2015, 08:40 PM
GretProfe....... i work from 7 gmt till 15 gmt.. so just choose time.
Berria, I'll be online startin from 20 GMT, see you there!
Quote from: Senator on November 01, 2015, 06:56 PM
Hopefully u and Hussar play the last game because it's decisive between Hussar and Csongi.
"Balanced" stands for equal crate probabilities (except for a few weaps), not for equal weapons for both players :P And this cup scheme is not exactly Tom's scheme but very close to it.
Mind tell why u feel the tus scheme is better? Because both get only good weaps so less luck? This comes to dealing with poor weaps (either use the "poor" weaps better or use girders instead).
You quoted well when said "TUS scheme is better because both good weaps". That's what I felt comparated to your scheme. Imo, there's no problem if scheme gives you and opponent a HHG. Shall win the one who use the HHG "better".
Your scheme gives mortars, mole bomb, bat... in the same probabilty of dyna, granny, etc. Those weapons cant be in the same group of the main weapons. You're adding luck in the game when player A collect flame (120 damage) and player B collect mole (15 damage) and well, that's not the point what you're targetting, isnt it?
TUS scheme offers few ratio (0,6%) for awful weapons and this is correct. Obviouslly the scheme has problems but it seems like the best one so far.
I totally disagree. Your points are the exact problem with TUS scheme. It just becomes blast wars, you may as well play full wormage lol.
This scheme gives equal chances so you learn to play well with bad weapons. Its possible to over 80 damage with a mortor and plop worms with bat. Molebomb is great in sd when it can dig through griders and cause enough damage to finish off a low powered worm once its health has gone down after the nuke.
This schemes bring T17 back to its originals of learning to play aggressive or defensive based on the luck of the cr8s and generates better skilled T17 players as you have to learn all the weapons and not just rely on powerful weapons and lightside aggressive games.
Sometimes i wish Uber was still active to back me up as he was a very well respect t17er who had the same philosophsy as me in this scheme!
I understand your viewpoint but times change and T17 as I have played since 5 years ago is all about having a good usage of weapons you collect, have territorial domain and kill your opponent faster as possible because when SD comes, water gives a new game perspective.
The experimental scheme, for me, is boring and luck-based. Mortar and mole arent good weapons for a battle at all. They should be banned of the scheme, also suicide bomb and the revolver too. That's my viewpoint. Anyway, I'm always open for changes that increase motion and fun for the game :)
Ok time to start KO stage. We had ties in groups 1 and 3 so head to head results decided. Mega'Adnan advanced because he beat doza and Csongi advanced because he beat both Hussar and GreatProfe.
Quarterfinals deadline: Sunday 2015-11-15
Quote from: GreatProfe on November 02, 2015, 08:19 PM
The experimental scheme, for me, is boring and luck-based. Mortar and mole arent good weapons for a battle at all. They should be banned of the scheme, also suicide bomb and the revolver too. That's my viewpoint.
But this is not Shopper where u need to attack each turn. If u get some moles while the opponent gets holys, it doesn't decide the game. You just need to play differently. For me those crap weapons add variation and make the game more interesting because u can't play each time the same way. Btw, suicide bomb is a "super weapon" and its crate probability cannot be changed :P
WhiteRqbbit, when can u play? This Sunday 19 gmt?
Quote[12.11.2015 15:33:51] dt-Chelsea> yooo
[12.11.2015 16:14:21] dt-Chelsea> u here ?
[12.11.2015 16:14:34] to #AnythingGoes: csongi-> playing cs
[12.11.2015 16:14:46] dt-Chelsea> we have to play t17 cup final  :P
[12.11.2015 16:14:58] to #AnythingGoes: csongi-> maybe later, g2g soon
:(
wtf is the purpose of that post? ..
Can you play tomorow 15:30 gmt or later?
I cant xD
nvm
My PayPal -> mariusz.chelsea@gmail.com
"The legendary lucker" won the cup.. something must be wrong in the scheme ;D
Congrats! The prize money will be transferred asap. And ty everyone for participating. Feel free to criticize the scheme!
;D
Congrats chelsea.
Good cup, moar please.
Quote from: Chelsea on November 13, 2015, 08:42 PM
My pay-pal -> mariusz.chelsea@gmail.com
;D nice one
thx HHC & Senator :)
I get all money :)
1 more time THX :)
44 wins + 3 draws (did everyone upload draw replays?) + 1 win with wrong scheme
Two of the 3 draws happened because of mistakes (drowned all the worms with nuclear, didn't open in 3vs1 situation when there was plenty of sd remaining and no sd weaps).
One 'real' draw in 47 games is not much :P Smallish sample size tho.
And finally I won cup as UNBEATABLE :D
Quote from: Chelsea on November 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
And finally I won cup as UNBEATABLE :D
Please make the unbeatable burger and fries for me yo MC Smelly sea. ::)
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on November 16, 2015, 04:14 PM
Quote from: Chelsea on November 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
And finally I won cup as UNBEATABLE :D
Please make the unbeatable burger and fries for me yo MC Smelly sea. ::)
jealous noob
C'mon MC Smelty sea. It's just $30 you showing me. :P
Go make more MC Sandwitches to earn more. ::)
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on November 16, 2015, 05:07 PM
C'mon MC Smelty sea. It's just $30 you showing me. :P
Go make more MC Sandwitches to earn more. ::)
suck my dick