Everybody knows riviva is an alias, but not all figured out its Bonus, if you take a look at him closer you will find it obvious
Once I asked MI about banning obvious aliases, and he said me they arent hitting PO's, they dont disturbing the others, so there is no sense to ban them. You can see Riviva in PO's, and fighting with others on every corner of the tus site, I personally opened at least 4 complaints topic about him.
Lets analize a little. First thing if the person is not sure whether its alias or the real player we watching at his skills, our situation is much easier since we have alias and his creator, so we can compare skills between them
bonus league stats (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/bonus/leagues/) / riviva league stats (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Riviva/leagues/)
ok lets check which scheme is best?
In both profiles the best scheme is hysteria[1].
what about 2nd and 3rd schemes?
riviva 2nd is wxw, 3rd is shoppa. now bonus: 2nd is shopper, 3rd is wxw[2]
in 1st seasons bonus was bad in ttrr, but he practised (as proove he made mappack with ~200 ttrr maps, ofc he tested them alot), so bonus collected pts on ttrr only in last season and ttrr is still stay as his worst scheme. if you check all others scheme, they have the same position on both profiles, roper 4th, then there is a small difference, riviva got ttrr 5th, and bonus as 7th. on t17 and elite there is the same amount of pts.
Aliases usually playing their best scheme as worst. For example I always tried to do horrrible runs on ttrr with quilz. But not bonus, his original is absolutely equal to the riviva's, they even have same rank, and same pts in every scheme lmao [3]
Lets check roping. I downloaded and checked replays one by one. No comments, both using fr with equal speed and fast "doubletap" shadows, style of roping is the same as well[4]
What we have for now? On skills it looks like it absolutely the same person, lets analize the way he talks.
riviva is talking good on polish, seems like he is native speaker of polish, just as bonus. On english seems like they both using google translate with some editing. And well, this is his biggest fail. When you compare his posts it becomes obvious he is alias, ok look:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-complaints/(solved)-78447-9841/msg78713/#msg78713
bonus says
Quotepls delete this game because phanton did not win this!
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-complaints/(solved)-fail-reports-18105/msg146553/#msg146553
riviva says
Quotei fail two report pls delete this game:
hahah nice one yeah? If you compare any other posts you can see they are just the same[5]
If its not enough, well lets check out the time they played
We'll start from bonus, bonus started to play tus since season 17, and so he played every season till the #25 without missing any of the season. Then he opened byebye topic, and said his gf dont let him play worms. LMFAO W00T? xDd
https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/bonus/leagues/
Now lets open riviva's profile. Few days later just after Bonus stopped playing and his gf throw pc on window.. Riviva come into community! And started to play, on the season #26, right after the #25, the one where bonus stop.[6]
7 is good number, giving 7 prooves sounds cool
So lets compare the stats
we cant compare seasons which 10 games played, so i will use last season of bonus activity, and 1st riviva's season
Games played Riviva 119 | Bonus 105
Games won Riviva 86 | Bonus 77
Games lost Riviva 33 | Bonus 28
Winning Ratio: Riviva 72.26% | Bonus 73.33%
there is moderators to decide what to do, so Im just saying riviva is alias. Im not saying he must get any kind of punishment. I can make much deeper analize, but I guess thats really enough to point out who is who
We all know riviva is an alias, it's pretty obvious lol, check the game vs TgD, he saying he was in Italy for 2 years but know nothing in Italian, and play worms for long time and don't know a lack of english, it's very obvious omg.
When I started to play worms few years ago, I knew nothing too, and now I can write longer posts without translator, It's not great but it's understandable.
Impo, u should work for CIA
o.O
and indeed Kaleu is right! his english is better than mine but even me can write something without google translator :P
Nice work Impo, but i got phone to bonus.
I talked with him few times, and he said then he's not playin atm no longer.
And personally i hate riviva and i like bonus.
Its not a proof but i think then u are wrong about him and bonus.
Am not sure but Riviva even shows diff style of speach and diff personality.
do you think once you ring him he will tell you about aliasing? ;D
Its obvious you hate riviva and like bonus.
1st of all when you are aliasing you can keep your behaviour as total bullshit, its not your real account and you dont cares about it. Thats why you hate him
2nd is that bonus was your clanmate in eVo, ofc he was good to you. And thats explains why you like him
there is nothing more to say, camper is hater of me, and fanboy of quilz, everything is possible with two accounts xD
Well done impo... but this is the same analysys we have done in our secret FoS forum.. And we have talked many time with MI, until you won't have really things to show up, like IP or shit like this, he won't do anything.
We all know he's probably Bonus...
We have also other 2 things to show up, but not the IP. Ah no, we have an IP, we got last week, we are analyzing it.
offtop# hahauahaua about this signature /\ about cfc :D
maybe u are right, idk, u know more about aliasing then me so ....... :P anyway....
........ Get lost back on ur yacht rviva
Well ANO, sir-j got banned for aliasing without any IP checking or other stuff, simply because one p*cough*cock squeal the truth via pms to mi*cough*
I think they had the IP... but I m not sure... If they had not and MI banned Sir-J instead of Bonus, this is pretty sad.
Those stats are kinda meaningless though, can't establish a real link based on those.
Im sure there are about 34 other people in TUS with roughly the same scheme order and winning %.
And all polish speak polish well and english not so :o
That riviva joins just after bonus leaves is a nice indicator, but not definitive proof. I can't blame MI for not taking action. The proof is not definite and its not 'worth' investiaging because he doesnt use his aliases to manipulate the league. Let's just accept Bonus is gone and Riviva is now here.
And it's pretty funny you're on riviva's case when you're no by-stander in J's case... who you still defend. Nobody gets to alias except the cool guys? ::)
Why would Bonus alias? He was a fun guy, and Riviva is cock (sorry) xD Maybe Bonus used his account, who knows... Btw they made a trick race together: http://wmdb.org/21534
yee, in fact they are both maps builder.. .and the style is similar.
bonus made this map, and just put riviva on authors as well, obviously its the same person
as i already reported for fos guys, there is 1 more evidence about riviva and bonus:
both said they started to play 8 ~ 10 years ago and both said They were in others countries to work. Bonus said He was in French, Riviva said He was in Italy.
Even with that proofs, I still dunno.
I just dont understand wtf someone does alias. Bonus could come back to the TUS np, He was a cool person. Dunno what the reasons to aliasing this way.
Both Bonus and Riviva always correct a typo in the exact same way, with two asterisks :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-101858/
[eS`B-NuS`FaW] pare zawiasow zrobic nie mosisz dopieszczac
[eS`B-NuS`FaW] muszisz**
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-101878/
[eS`B-NuS`FaW] rece umykles? opusciles deske?
[eS`B-NuS`FaW] umules**
[dPxChelsea] hf
[eS`B-NuS`FaW] umyles**
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-111520/
[sW`Riviva] tylko 15 z jedna osoba czay w ogloe?
[sW`Riviva] ogole**
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-135312/
[RwA`riViVa`X2a] royals worms academy
[RwA`Karlos] hf
[RwA`riViVa`X2a] royal**
Quote from: Scorpus on February 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Impo, u should work for CIA
o.O
+1 Sc0rpa hahahahhahah xD
Lol@those fails in aliasing. I remember with quilz I even used special smiles.
Oh well I also used team with text "impo" in flag, but it was just mistakes xDd
This is so obvious its not even funny. For those who don't agree that they are the same person, maybe post some **facts** (two asterisks) that establish that the two are separate. The statistical correlation alone is damning. HHC, im sure you can find 10 people with similar stats on TUS, but......Can you find us 2 statistically similar polish speaking wormers that don't know english that make maps that live in other countries and correct their typos with two asterisks that joined/quit TUS in the same week and have the same speech patterns?
lmfao.
Good investigation, almost like my & sir-j topic, but that one failed xD
So Riviva was IrOn first. Then he got to be KinslayeR. Now he is BoNuS. Maybe he is really Chelsea who's pissed off about calling him avoid machine? hey wait! He is Berria, don't you see? the perfect crime!! He has his phone number and they decided to play a huge prank on TUS! OMG all of them are polish too?! Goose bumps!
OK Let's say you got him this time and he IS BoNuS. According to you and based on TUS stats, he started after BoNuS said goodbye. BoNuS has been inactive since. So it is more than "starting fresh" with new identity rather than aliasing. Aliasing is when a user appear with multiple account at the same time and tries to wreck the system. (e.g. playing clanners)
Maybe BoNuS was unhappy with all his stats/reputation and wanted to start over. We DO allow that you know? There are people who I restrict their previous account and they start a new account completely fresh.
Quote from: Impossible on February 14, 2013, 03:34 PM
Once I asked MI about banning obvious aliases, and he said me they arent hitting PO's, they dont disturbing the others, so there is no sense to ban them. You can see Riviva in PO's, and fighting with others on every corner of the tus site, I personally opened at least 4 complaints topic about him.
Where the need to show me as a bad guy is coming from? I always said that if you show solid proof, we'll take appropriate action. Sir-J happened to be a solid proof.
Also you've aliased and you always proudly mention it. What's the deal you "investigating" on somebody else? So we have BoNuS, starting fresh on TUS with new identity and we have you actually aliasing at the same time, cheating on challenges, getting warned/muted for insulting and trolled several times and I'm the bad-guy/Mr.injustice here?
nice MI! Would you reset my karma then?
Quote from: TheWalrus on February 14, 2013, 09:12 PM
HHC, im sure you can find 10 people with similar stats on TUS, but......Can you find us 2 statistically similar polish speaking wormers that don't know english that make maps that live in other countries and correct their typos with two asterisks that joined/quit TUS in the same week and have the same speech patterns?
Like I said bro, it's not definite proof. There are LOTS of polish wormers, pretty much all of whom have been linked to Riviva as MI says.
How many wormers make maps? Almost all.
How many polish ppl work abroad? Plenty.
Speech patterns is even more ridiculous, you can find similarities between any polish wormers. Double asterix for typo's is a thing people take over from other people. Am I an alias of Cueshark cause I make a :< smiley every now and then? 90% of the community does that now.. :-[
You can make presumptions all you want, but neither of these "facts" have any real value seperately. Put them together and they make a decent case, but not enough to ban someone for. You really need 100% proof, like in J's case. Don't have it here.
@MI
Actually "Bonus new frash account" is making trouble to us, this is a problem, I prefered Bonus.
Why so serious MI
Nice to hear we allowed to make aliases, I think I'm going to make new clan with Chelsea from new account but let me find a good girl to don't allow me play worms, I actually wanna a solid reason to quit wa xDd
I didn't get your 1st sentence, ironman is kinslayer's alias, and riviva is bonus.
Yeh I'm agree I aliases as well, but I got banned for this. And now you defending riviva
Riviva has some good taps, like barman, suspicious...
Even though I liked your ** thing, that's like Russians use multiple paranthesis )) as a smile measure. For an outsider, 2 Russians must be the same guy.
Quote from: Maciej on February 14, 2013, 10:01 PM
nice MI! Would you reset my karma then?
Quote from: Impossible on February 14, 2013, 10:10 PM
Nice to hear we allowed to make aliases, I think I'm going to make new clan with Chelsea from new account
Looks like I gotta take English classes to make more sense. When did I say aliasing is allowed?
I said we allow "starting fresh". You can open up a new account but your previous account will be blocked. Maciej, we don't reset stuff partially. Either you open up a total new account and you will lose
everything that is associated to Maciej account or you stick your current account.
You
cannot jump between accounts. Have an account in TdC, then open up a new account and join sX. Then get bored with new account and go back to your TdC's account. Once you move to a new account, you lose access to your old account. People who ask to go back to their old account, get their new account data merged with their old ones.
So is this thread about what a great aliaser Impossible is?
To say something ontopic: I think every polish wormer is actually just Riviva's alias. Including barman and lacoste. And surgeon.
Allright, I can make new account, and lock previous. How come.bonus still not locked.I have a feeling every time I share my opinion MI will attach to the opposite opinion just because he is my hater. Even to open sX forum I had to please about this whole day
Quote from: Impossible on February 14, 2013, 11:22 PM
Allright, I can make new account, and lock previous. How come.bonus still not locked.
Probably because there hasn't been any proof yet that it is the same person, only assumptions. Imagine you were in his position, getting your account locked due to assumptions.
Quote from: HHC on February 14, 2013, 10:03 PM
Quote from: TheWalrus on February 14, 2013, 09:12 PM
HHC, im sure you can find 10 people with similar stats on TUS, but......Can you find us 2 statistically similar polish speaking wormers that don't know english that make maps that live in other countries and correct their typos with two asterisks that joined/quit TUS in the same week and have the same speech patterns?
Like I said bro, it's not definite proof. There are LOTS of polish wormers, pretty much all of whom have been linked to Riviva as MI says.
How many wormers make maps? Almost all.
How many polish ppl work abroad? Plenty.
Speech patterns is even more ridiculous, you can find similarities between any polish wormers. Double asterix for typo's is a thing people take over from other people. Am I an alias of Cueshark cause I make a :< smiley every now and then? 90% of the community does that now.. :-[
You can make presumptions all you want, but neither of these "facts" have any real value seperately. Put them together and they make a decent case, but not enough to ban someone for. You really need 100% proof, like in J's case. Don't have it here.
I didn't say anything about banning him, just flesh him out from his many aliases. I didn't say ban :<
I can't believe I just read the full thread, but I have to admit I always loved the drama in the worms community!
I really liked MI intervention here, it was very mature and percutting! gj :P
So, was bonus locked ? MI even doesn't know about it...
This is "starting fresh", as fact, if you didn't ask for lock your account, it counts like aliases, no ?
and i guess, we have not ip log or something?
As chakkman said, there's no solid proof. These are all assumptions seeming to be truth. That's why BoNuS account is not restricted. The outcome is the same though, we have an inactive account and one active.
Quote from: Impossible on February 14, 2013, 11:22 PM
I have a feeling every time I share my opinion MI will attach to the opposite opinion just because he is my hater. Even to open sX forum I had to please about this whole day
darkmaul is one of my dearest friends and I love the guy. He has been with me before TUS, in the process of creating TUS and to this very day. He has also donated 3 times. Yet I banned him for 2 weeks because he read some post in a clan's private forum. I felt crap banning him, but I didn't skip any rule for one of my closest friends.
I'm not your hater. You just created a bad history for yourself on TUS and you face consequences like any body else. In sX you had recruited aliases and I asked you to clear its status before giving you a board.
Now you do not have to look, a few years I had some nickname, I will not tell what nicknames because have always been with me the problem, but I never pretended to someone else!
Ironman? I'm not such an ass as he
Bonus? LOl who else? I say it one more time and last time I am not alias and I never been!!!
I miss Aragorn and Slawek, thats what I get out of this thread
And DiD and (the real) MavericK. :(
this thread is useless for now, quoting riviva
Quote
I'm leaving the tus, I've have enough nerve here.
You want to know the truth? Ok, maybe I did not play all the time under the nickname riviva
so I get what I wanted, topic can be closed