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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: avirex on August 28, 2010, 09:06 PM
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crash is avoiding mm, he sez he does not want to play games with me? his excuse was suttin like "omg avi, u own too much" or suttin? i forget...
but, hes asking for clanners in AG to everyone, but is avoiding mm... no matter how often we ask him... hes trying to preserve his streak.. and thats gay.. he should be penalized
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He says he wont play with avi, because avi kicked him from a game once... a game crash was not a part of... We don't like people spectating games and then leaving, because it crashes everyone... it happened yesterday to us, and it has happened a lot in the past.
crash asking for clanners but won't play mm unless avi doesn't play, which leaves me and nino... nice try, doh... this is just pathetic... someone ban crash and zippo already
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lol ban for what?
u guys drunk?
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ban for always causing trouble for no reason?
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They just don't want to lose their precious points haha
They care too much lol !
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we dont play w2roper...inst allowed!
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They care to much and should be banned for sure. c'mom admins..ill leave that f@#!ing game..stuff like this really piss me offfffffff u sit on chair to relax, play a bit and have a laugh and u have to face with idiots like this all the time? and you guys (admins) already knows their reputation and make nothing, thats sad really.
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u decided to host only to argue about what schemes we will play, and to boot me and shy from ur server repeatedly... you guys are very immature, stupid, and do nothing but cause drama.. ur all a bunch of f@#!in retards.. no idea why dibz stays in a clan with u fools
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I am not being funny, I am not trying to flame, but I seriously think doH should be banned for a week, or at least 2 days...
Here are reasons.
They are avoiding mm whether they like to admit it, for the following reasons:
mm are WAY better than the points they have, doH know this and fear it, seeing as doH are now 1st, they don't want to lose 50-60 for each scheme they might lose, this is the real reason, not that avi or anyone else insulted them lol, they are being cowards, is all.
crash/zippo continously insult people for no reason, they continously try to get free wins for nothing, they try to get wins against them voided when they are perfectly fair and acceptable, they accuse others of cheating when they clearly aren't.
EVERYONE else continues to play with mm, yes they have just started out, yes they have low points compared to YOUR CLAN, but thats just because doH have over 5000 now... It's kind of your fault for being so good lol, mm will reach top 3/4 within the next month or 2, THEN you can get more points off them.
I'll point out dibz, you are cool man :)
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all the warning u give them dont work.. the 1 ban u gave zippo, did not work... i dont think 2 days is enough, u should ban these f@#!ers for a season... really get the message to them.. i wish there was a way to ban them from wnet too!
wtf mods, do ur jobs.. or me and nino are going to make a phone call to our old friends kiro, tsr, and flamiex
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guys W2ROPER INST ALLOWED!!! we dont agree with w2roper and we CAN do it!
we agree with all others schemes...roper elite rr t17 ALL OTHERS...WE REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT CLAN POINTS!!!
CUZ WE HAVE ALOT OF POINTS!!! MORE THAN 200 of difference than 2st!
W2 inst allowed!!!
w2roper lose the poll!
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and saying that want to clanner mm but not with avi is allowed? cos thats what crash did, we passed like 30 minutes talking about this, and crash saying wont play vs avi cos he booted crash from a game b4.
you guys are so silly.
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"We've talked about W2roper scheme, In this new season we'll try W2rope scheme as a second choice to classic roper to see how the results will turn out. Upon any kind of disagreement the classic roper scheme must be played. , you cannot force players to pick W2Roper".
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and we are talking about the problems u guys bring for the league...
zippo imagine you in a job interview and the person askes do you know speak english? all will say is no, iam too stupid to learn it but, iam the best roper on WN i can prove it!
silly kid.
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If doH do not want to play w2Roper, you can't make them, pick something else, Zippo is right about that.
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man this newbs guys starting to insult for nothing...see nino words...
idiot!
crash/zippo continously insult people for no reason, they continously try to get free wins for nothing, they try to get wins against them voided when they are perfectly fair and acceptable, they accuse others of cheating when they clearly aren't.
prove ur words komo!
he dont wanted to play with avi cuz avi kicked him from other game...i really dont care about nothing...i can play vs all!
will be same result!
nah shyguy...
u guys insult...not us!
and w2roper really lost the poll!
u guys cant force us to play this shit scheme.
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ye zippo everyone here knows, iam the insulter master, i insult everyone and everyone hate me.
but how about crash, who refused play us only cos avi were about to play too? thats allowed too? lol
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If doH do not want to play w2Roper, you can't make them, pick something else, Zippo is right about that.
That wasn't the issue... crash and zippo kept saying w2roper wasn't allowed AT ALL, and even after I told him to read the forums saying it was legal, and even after telling him we played w2roper vs cfc, they still continue to insult and say w2roper lost poll and it isn't on tus. f@#! them
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u decided to host only to argue about what schemes we will play, and to boot me and shy from ur server repeatedly... you guys are very immature, stupid, and do nothing but cause drama.. ur all a bunch of f@#!in retards.. no idea why dibz stays in a clan with u fools
Lol avirex, nothing about u but
remind me hmm what did u msg me msn?
crash please talk to people to vote yes on w2 roper !
fn cheater u and this scheme ;O
all the warning u give them dont work.. the 1 ban u gave zippo, did not work... i dont think 2 days is enough, u should ban these f@#!ers for a season... really get the message to them.. i wish there was a way to ban them from wnet too!
wtf mods, do ur jobs.. or me and nino are going to make a phone call to our old friends kiro, tsr, and flamiex
hmm If I want I will leave this game cus of ppl like u , im gettin really bored of those bullshits don't worry
as I can see your karma ain't going on well also.
hah is that a menace to the mods? XD
I can have -1000 karma id care , i know my right well
the most annoying thing was that u insulted zippo's dead brother pf, go out if u dont hf the game easy -.-
that's out of red line rly
If doH do not want to play w2Roper, you can't make them, pick something else, Zippo is right about that.
so that's fairship avi?
pick a real scheme u got chances to win. WE didn't agree to w2 roper..
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......and even after telling him we played w2roper vs cfc, they still continue to insult and say w2roper lost poll and it isn't on tus. f@#! them
WOW!!! You have played "w2roper" with cfc!!!?? Now, that explains and solves everything!!
But, but..It really did lost the poll.. ;x
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/w2rope-scheme-***please-read***/
(https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/w2rope-scheme-***please-read***/)
It's ok that they refuse to play "w2roper" since it is still just an idea, not an official scheme..
...you guys are very immature, stupid, and do nothing but cause drama.. ur all a bunch of f@#!in retards.. no idea why dibz stays in a clan with u fools
...u should ban these f@#!ers for a season... really get the message to them.. i wish there was a way to ban them from wnet too!
I would rather ban avi for all those insults and bad manners in the forums... over and over again...
n drama btw avi.. golden award for drama queen goes to you, not to them.. ;x
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+1 ramone by zippo second applaud by me ever.. n1 ramone!
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Ye I'm tryin to solve "his" problems, and the guy is yellin so much, usin hard words u don't do nothing avirex,only coming closer to "get banned yourself " by that -.-
damn how " Mablak the really cool man " can be in mm pff
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mab go to doh ;D anubis too ;D its will be cool ;D whitout then we wins playoffs..WITH then what we can? dominate the world?
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well, better if they stay in their clans :P or we can make too strong one clan and do activity even less! ;o
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Ramone, w2roper is legal in tus. It has been ever since the new season started. Crash was bitching about how we were trying to pick a scheme that wasn't in the league. w2roper IS in the league, and I don't deserve to be flamed just because crash or zippo don't read the forums and know that w2roper is legal. I'm surprised you are on doh's side, to be honest... if you were there in ag, you would have seen crash insulting all of us and avoiding us and refusing to play us, even though he was asking for a clanner. Look at zippo and crash's karma
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nt crash and zippo :D avirex might not be a nice flower to smell, but u both are shit in comparison with him.
just look for ur karma, look behind and see how much of trobles u already been in here. i even agree that you guys has the right to dont play w2roper, but if you guys were really nice people, or would just play it cuz it is just a game and wont change anything in ur lifes, or just would nicely ask us to change it and we would change our pick for sure, like we do with others clans here and they do with us.
and the thing of crash pass like 30 minutes refusing to play us cuz avi kicked him of a game b4...no comments lol.
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It is true you can refuse w2roper, but you guys weren't even acknowledging that it was an official scheme in tus. You just bitched and insulted because YOU THOUGHT w2roper wasn't allowed. Crash was even one of the main promoters for w2roper, and he is so ignorant that he doesn't even read the league updates and see it is a playable scheme now.. instead, he just bitches and moans and thinks we try to trick him
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It is official, but I don't consider it as such because it doesn't have it's own ladder rank and positions to climb, and I think it should, to make it properly official.
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yeah crash, after u MSG'd me saying "oh i tried w2roper, i think its a rlly good scheme" i told u to help me promote it, big deal... i think thats the same conversation u begged me to join doH.
and crash, i never in my life mentioned anything about zippos brother, and never in my life would i.... so dont make this up.
ramone- the only thread that i insulted, and was drama-ish in was the w2roper thread, and thats cause it was something i was pretty passionate for... i already have agreed, and accepted that i took it too far.. other then that i dont start drama, so u can suck my ass..
unless ur talking about comments like "so u can suck my ass" but, thats just my personality lol.. suck my ass if u dont like it.
as far as the w2roper thing, that was just an excuse not to play us, just ANOTHER excuse.
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i liked that thing of lick my ass, lick my ass avi. yummy LOL
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lmfao @ tries making avirex look like a bad sports
never had any problems with avirex when it comes to league games, so maybe the problem is certain few (2) players at doh's side?
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i think i have made 2 complaints in my entire worms career... this is one of them... does that tell u anything?
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i think thats the same conversation u begged me to join doH.
lmao, I know quite a couple of guys who were also asked to leave their current clan to join doH because it's so much better and otherwise a waste of talent. :D
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They care to much and should be banned for sure. c'mom admins..ill leave that f@#!ing game..stuff like this really piss me offfffffff u sit on chair to relax, play a bit and have a laugh and u have to face with idiots like this all the time? and you guys (admins) already knows their reputation and make nothing, thats sad really.
so damn true.
+1 frustrating level every single day. Wanna keep them "playing" and lose some nice and fair wormers? DO SOMETHING! This is like a Village without a Sheriff.
btw avi, u should calm down a bit too. I dont compare you with z*** and c*** but ur not fair all the way tho. A little donky makes shit too.
MOD's: I would be free for a meeting in our voice server. MI and D1 and some guys like Nino, Random00, darKz, Komo (..)
TUS needs a new reform. Tolerance and respect should be at top and a harder line is defently needed.
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They care to much and should be banned for sure. c'mom admins..ill leave that f@#!ing game..stuff like this really piss me offfffffff u sit on chair to relax, play a bit and have a laugh and u have to face with idiots like this all the time? and you guys (admins) already knows their reputation and make nothing, thats sad really.
so damn true.
+1 frustrating level every single day. Wanna keep them "playing" and lose some nice and fair wormers? DO SOMETHING! This is like a Village without a Sheriff.
btw avi, u should calm down a bit too. I dont compare you with z*** and c*** but ur not fair all the way tho. A little donky makes shit too.
MOD's: I would be free for a meeting in our voice server. MI and D1 and some guys like Nino, Random00, darKz, Komo (..)
TUS needs a new reform. Tolerance and respect should be at top and a harder line is defently needed.
Count me in.
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Don't you guys have anything better to do? :o Let me just bring on the quote-o-meter and hop right into replying.
crash is avoiding mm, he sez he does not want to play games with me? his excuse was suttin like "omg avi, u own too much" or suttin? i forget...
but, hes asking for clanners in AG to everyone, but is avoiding mm... no matter how often we ask him... hes trying to preserve his streak.. and thats gay.. he should be penalized
I guess he's only avoiding you then. Perhaps mm vs DoH should be played without crash? DoH has plenty of other players in their roster, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem to play them :)
At any rate, you should make up your mind, avi! Do you want crash banned or do you want to play with him? If it's the first, then crash has found the perfect solution so that you don't have to deal with him; don't play with him.
crash asking for clanners but won't play mm unless avi doesn't play, which leaves me and nino...
... and benz and Free and Mablak.
I'm sure you can manage :)
Also: Perhaps mm vs DoH should be played without crash?
lol ban for what?
Probably for quotes like these:
u guys drunk?
But we're not going to do it just cause avi asked for it anyway, as we said in that other thread.
They just don't want to lose their precious points haha
They care too much lol !
You're not helping.
we dont play w2roper...inst allowed!
Actually, w2roper is allowed in TUS, but if you don't agree on w2roper, then you don't have to :)
Most of the other posts were quite frankly not worth the read except Ramone's post, who pretty much sums up what's wrong with this thread.
You can't accuse crash and Zippo of being asshole while posting like that.
Well, you can, but nobody will take you seriously.
If they annoy you so much, why do you keep playing with them?
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As for me, DarkOne, that's exactly what I'm doing - I don't play with them. Yet they still manage to annoy the shit out of me on TUS. So I'm making a different point here, and before you say "then just ignore them", it's not that easy for some guys, me included.
Slight bit off topic, nothing to do with avoiding. Sorry. :)
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If they annoy you so much, why do you keep playing with them?
I'm out of this, but i feel to ask u something, why do u keep allow them to play?
isnt this question more wise then yours? also the solution is way better and faster ::)
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SPW: i already admited i took w2roping thead much too far... i have no regrets tho, if i could take it all back and start over, i would prolly go slightly farther! thats just how i am haha.
other then that, i do try to keep the peace...
do i want crash banned? not really.. i kinda like crash..
zippo? yes, hes nothing but a pest..
should doH be banned because they avoided mm last night? nope i was not suggesting that..
i was just hoping it was the straw that broke the camels back.. somthing needs to be done about them.. doH is like the toolbox of w:a ;D
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@Shy: I am not taking any sides here, I just comment what I see and what I don't like.. and that's avi's way of "solving" things: "ya stupid f@#!ing retards should be banned cause U avoid to play w2roper!" .. maaan, I really do understand, but that's not the way!
I know who and what are Zippo and Crash, I don't need to take a look at their karma, I ain't here from yesterday... I have reacted cause I hate it (in RL too) when I see that someone is leg-hitting someone who is lying down on the ground already beaten up in bruises.. It's so damn easy and lame...
@avi: I personally really couldn't care less about your "suck ass" personality thing, but it's not about me, it's about making TUS forums looks ugly and jerky with that attitude/language...
Don't U see that 90% of ppl here tells U to calm down too?
And I wonder that your clan mate nino haven't teach and preach U already about having a bit more of Jesus soul in your heart ;x
In fact, all I wanted to say with my post is the same thing that SPW has told in one line:
TUS needs a new reform. Tolerance and respect should be at top and a harder line is defently needed.
But imo not by banning players, but by censoring all the "f@#! shit pussies asshole dickheads" conversations... All ya need is some respect and tolerance.. and a bit more Jesus in your heart ;)
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avirex, doH is in better level than mm in rankings, u shud know that too.
I don't fancy playin' bullshit games since now, if I don't hf I don't play it's right, same like CF, if they don't HF they don't play, more tolerance and I will play you anytime pff
I don't ask CF for a clanners, If they ask me I will play them, I'm bored of all this shits over here, so I'm tryin' to put more enjoy when I'm playin wa.
many players understand it
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@Shy: I am not taking any sides here, I just comment what I see and what I don't like.. and that's avi's way of "solving" things: "ya stupid f@#!ing retards should be banned cause U avoid to play w2roper!" .. maaan, I really do understand, but that's not the way!
I know who and what are Zippo and Crash, I don't need to take a look at their karma, I ain't here from yesterday... I have reacted cause I hate it (in RL too) when I see that someone is leg-hitting someone who is lying down on the ground already beaten up in bruises.. It's so damn easy and lame...
@avi: I personally really couldn't care less about your "suck ass" personality thing, but it's not about me, it's about making TUS forums looks ugly and jerky with that attitude/language...
Don't U see that 90% of ppl here tells U to calm down too?
And I wonder that your clan mate nino haven't teach and preach U already about having a bit more of Jesus soul in your heart ;x
In fact, all I wanted to say with my post is the same thing that SPW has told in one line:
TUS needs a new reform. Tolerance and respect should be at top and a harder line is defently needed.
But imo not by banning players, but by censoring all the "f@#! shit pussies asshole dickheads" conversations... All ya need is some respect and tolerance.. and a bit more Jesus in your heart ;)
While I agree with most of this, I would ask you not to preach religion please, some people do not believe in such things, talking about Jesus even with people than believe in other religions can go down a bad road...
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Don't get me wrong, I ain't preaching, it's just a remark/joke cause of nino's suggestion to avi from some times before:
avi you better show more respect for others schemes too, jetpack race and boomrace are awesome, well you know everything is too relative, ask Einstein, and one more thing, if you had a bit more of jesus`s soul in ur heart u`d act diferent. peace and love. xDDDDDDDDD
see, nino too thinks that avi should have some more respect to the things he doesn't like! ;)
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haha ye i remember of my post saying this..but indeed was a joke..iam atheist lol..
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Lol I didn't even notice nino saying that, my bad ! nino, you are a bad boy ! :P
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ramone, again ur suggesting my w2rope thread, which i have already admitted taking to too far...
is it now YOU who is kicking the man thats down? hehehe
i dont care tho.. i can be a prick, i know...but most the people on these forums can be too :).. either way most like me, some hate me.. i dont mind, i dont wanna live my life trying to please everyone.. like my boy abe lincoln once said... "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time"
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I'm out of this, but i feel to ask u something, why do u keep allow them to play?
isnt this question more wise then yours? also the solution is way better and faster ::)
+1!
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He also could say "Love" instead of "Jesus", no matter. The point is, Ramone is right.
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I'm out of this, but i feel to ask u something, why do u keep allow them to play?
isnt this question more wise then yours? also the solution is way better and faster ::)
+1!
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I'm out of this, but i feel to ask u something, why do u keep allow them to play?
isnt this question more wise then yours? also the solution is way better and faster ::)
+1!
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+3
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DarkOne, crash didn't want avirex playing which left only me and nino... benz, free, and mab weren't online... they aren't online 24/7, so I don't really understand the point you are trying to make... we had 3 members on, a good squad, and crash refused to play with avi for an unrealistic reason... With only me and nino, that is almost a free win in any rope scheme... no offense to mah boy nino! But yeah, it was obvious what crash was trying to do... you are right though, mm will just not play doh
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lol shy np mate, everyone knows i suck in roper games, idc tho, iam not like point points points,,,be best be best best heuhe.
hell thats just a game...
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I'm out of this, but i feel to ask u something, why do u keep allow them to play?
isnt this question more wise then yours? also the solution is way better and faster ::)
+1!
+2
+3
offtopic''
XDD lol boys :-*
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D1 after your post I will give you more respect ... you do a good job here. is not really part is do what's right.
These guys came here to make a post against doh without the least reason why not only want to play w2roper crash and did not want to play against the Avirex ... And the crash would not have no fear of playing against the Avirex just look at the level League and two were traded Crash> avi.
He just did not like that Avirex kick gave him in several other games and wanted to somehow punish him.
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D1 after your post I will give you more respect ... you do a good job here. is not really part is do what's right.
Thanks :) How about you help me make my job a little easier? ;)
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In a perfect world there would be peace and no arguements in a forum like this. Its just a game, we all know that. BUT the fact is, people that play this game spend alot of time on it, ppl that maybe in their real life ( like me) are a competetive person, which like 2 win ,and have fun at the same time. About 75% of the players i know in this league, using the word "Know" as in talk with about more than just "What scheme u pick?" etc, is like that. There will ALWAYS be players like zippo, that is a sore loser, and a sore winner. He is the kind of person that needs to be like that, i guess he is raised like it or i dont know really, but im pretty sure he has a pretty big ego and every day looks in the mirror and tells himself "omg im the king". Just look at his picture in this site .. rofl :)
I must admit i have a love hate relationship with all this doh, zippo and crash thing. Some times i find them funny, hell even friendly, i actually have crash on msn, i deleted zippo long time ago, lol! :D And some times i find them annoying as hell, just cause they tend 2 lose and win (which they mostly do, they are good players) without STYLE. Guys, the best players dont need to say " hahahaha i beat u noob rofl suck alot omg im the king <<<<<<< etc). U can see it in this game, let me mention random00 and mablak as 2 examples. I lost 80% of my games vs Random00, but i always felt he wins with style and RESPECT for his opponent. He doesnt need 2 rub in that he beat u in a game.
Of course, its allowed 2 whine some at times, i can also be pissed after some games, maybe even say some shit 2 my opponent, but it goes away fast lol. The league needs some "drama".. its what makes it a good league! If no1 cared about wins/losses then we wouldnt be here. And there will always be pricks, here and everywhere else! Zippo, my point is; its ok and cool with confidence, just dont let it slide over 2 arrogance and lameness. Did it ever occur 2 u that sometimes when u lose, ur opponent actually played good and did a good job?? :)
My 2 cents.. WHich became more like a dollar, sheeeesh longest post ever! :D haha! btw, i <3 guys like avi! He has some "rude" comments, BUT the smile is never far away! Hell! I love u all! <3
...camsex any1??
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if not we were obviously not competitive would be third in the league and my clan was not first.
Competition is important here and in real life.
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mablak is really a good exemple, hes faaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr better than zippo and crash and look at his attitude..so nice.
zippo you really want to be competitive in real life? so 1st change ur attitute, rofl i imagine you being a boss in any company...and 2nd learn english, it is very important acctually.
same goes to crash.
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mablak play ropers...in default he inst better than me and crash.. maybe in intermediate but intermediate inst in classic league.
i dislike to compare players...all have ur style and speciality.
i'm a boss...my father have 1 big weaving company.
i'm studying in 1 of the best unis in brazil...maybe i will be ur boss soon rofl...
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thats all u do is compare players.. but now that somone compared against you, u dont like to do it? interesting.
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prove it ae avi....
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I removed nino's latest post.
Seriously, dude, calm down. Weren't you the one telling me to chill? Happy to return the favour.
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D1 after your post I will give you more respect ... you do a good job here. is not really part is do what's right.
These guys came here to make a post against doh without the least reason why not only want to play w2roper crash and did not want to play against the Avirex ... And the crash would not have no fear of playing against the Avirex just look at the level League and two were traded Crash> avi.
He just did not like that Avirex kick gave him in several other games and wanted to somehow punish him.
it was only a couple posts back by you.. was not very hard to prove u dumbshit
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lmfao zippo u are f@#!ing awesome xDDD
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i'm the king of the darkforce guatonidas puto! hUHASUHA
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mablak play ropers...in default he inst better than me and crash.. maybe in intermediate but intermediate inst in classic league.
I disagree, I personally think Mablak is better than you at ALL league games. He is definately better at you at BnG, I know that for a fact.
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Sorry for the late response. This issue has been discussed between mods and in the community for a few times. I don't mind going over and over again though. I'm not pointing directly to anyone in the following content.
The very point is, should our way of judgment be based on calming down the riled up people?
As I've said many many times before, if I'm about to ban ZiPpO this way, I WILL ban many others as well. Many of people who ask for ZiPpO/Crash/doH to be banned, aren't saint themselves either.
I could go through this site and point-out/quote the things you've been saying, how you acted in games ...
None of you care about TUS more than me. I build TUS to this very level, that's obvious right? You act like I find TUS behind the bushes: "wow look! a TUS lying around!, lets put it online!" and I have no idea how to handle it.
Let me clear this fog for those of you who aren't seeing this,
Some of you really REALLY dislike ZiPpO and everything related to him. You're just looking for an excuse to get him banned. You're like a tense man who gets upset by the next anything he deals with.
Still not seeing this? ok try this:
avirex posted this (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/should-zippo-be-banned-from-tus/) regarding ZiPpO, then 2 days later, here we are in another thread that leaded to him.
Should TUS moderators get sucked into this? Vote on the more riled up side?
We must ban ZiPpO, because? He pisses you off? I've been bleeding out of eyes when I read some of other people's posts here, what's the deal with them? It's OK as long as it is not posted by ZiPpO?
You have no idea how much you are damaging the community by bringing attention to this. You are inviting people to hate. You are teaching them 'Its cool to be angry'. There are people who hate ZiPpO who really have nothing to do with him.
Stop this! it is NOT ZiPpO who is ruining your fun. It is yourselves. There are infinite number of things in the world that can piss you off for good. That doesn't mean you have to go focus on them and get pissed.
On the other hand, when ZiPpO got banned actually. We caught him insulting someone in a game and no topics like this were made. We simply read the chat in one of his games and got him banned. But it wasn't like:
Crash said I don't play with avi cause he booted me &
ZiPpO said w2roper is not allowed on TUS! => HOW LAME!!! BAN THEM! BAN DOH! KILL THEIR FAMILY! REMOVE THAT PART OF EARTH THEY GREW UP ON!!
Solution
1. We could increase TUS behavior tolerance up to a level that it get ZiPpO and smash him like a grape. Surprisingly it also will do the same to handful of our beloved saints.
2. You COULD try to learn to ignore/focus-less/god-forbid-like people like ZiPpO. They don't have horns on their heads you know? How do you think a better community is made anyway? by throwing garbage at the people you can't stand?
Mods on TUS CAN solve the complaints, they sure have proved this so far. A complaint doesn't get bigger if you create a big smoke around it. We DO NOT solve complaints based on smokes!
p.s @Crash/ZiPpO, I may have sounded like I'm defending you, but in no way I am. We'll monitor you even more.
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Can I point out, how you say "1. We could increase TUS behavior tolerance up to a level that it get ZiPpO and smash him like a grape. Surprisingly it also will do the same to handful of our beloved saints."
I don't see how, absolutely no one acts as bad as zippo does in games and on forums, no one whatsoever curses as much as zippo in games and on forums, no one brags about winning games as much as zippo and insults opponents when he beats them as much as zippo, no one whines about losing as much as zippo, I admit, crash isn't as bad as zippo, although crash has alot of bad points to him, at least he TRIES to approach things in a good manner to start off with THEN loses the plot, zippo on the other hand, even when in a good mood, will insult people and try to degrade them, he is worse than a 10/10 looking girl that thinks she is too good for everyone, crash is an angel compared to zippo, and I personally think zippo has influenced this apon crash, I used to really like crash, we used to be in the same clan together and he was always respectul back then, then bloody zippo came about and now crash is turning bad...
I was acting like a complete knob, but after being told this from someone I respect I have totally changed my attitude.
At least everyone else will apologize if proved wrong, at least everyone else has SOME nice side to them and actually says something meaningful now and again...
I am sorry MI, I know you don't want to ban anyone, but I honestly think you are making the wrong decision here, personally speaking, people like zippo are 1 of the reasons I don't play singles seriously in this game, and forfeited from the Playoffs, it's just not worth the hassle trying to achieve something and having to put up with his bullsh*t day in and day out, I only done it for BnG for something to pass the time...
Here are a few questions for you:
How can we ignore him? He is everywhere, you will see his posts/insults and bad attitude everywhere, on the forums and on wormnet.
Do you not think that zippo knows you are too soft and won't discipline him? He is not stupid...
Do you honestly think he is going to calm down anytime soon?
I personally took an interest in him, tried to talk to him, treat him with respect, I REALLY tried to help him, and he just spat it back at me, like he does with everyone else, even you...
From day 1 that I registered on TuS, all i've seen is zippo doing stuff like this and never anything nice...
If you won't ban him, MODS have the right, Especially you because you OWN this website, to delete ANYTHING you want without needing permission or even having to care what anyone else thinks, not just zippo, but anyone, if they curse too much, or say something TOTALLY out of line, you should delete it right away.
Freedom of speech is no match against my house my rules.
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Komo ur posts rock! Exactly same what i think
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ye komo, really nice post.
and let me give a nino`s exemple...
if i stop my car in a gas store to buy some cigarrets and my gf stays in the car...then when i come back..i see a man showing off his dick to her , laughing and stuff, what should i do? tell her to just ignore and close her eyes? or just beat him up, get some fuel and put him fire?
for sure he would be a burned man... it is disrespectful, and noone admite stuff like this.
well zippo is able to make what he wants here, and all have to do is not to care...NICE!
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Well, I think pouring petrol over him and setting him alight would be a little too much, especially while still standing in the petrol station yourself, NOT a wise move ;) Haha
But i'd surely and calmly do him in.
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Komo ur posts rock! Exactly same what i think
tbh, I agree too.
But I also notice, that MOD's arent really interested about doing something against Zippo. He will never payback your attention, he will never change his behaviour. He cant listen up to other ppl coz he is 100% egoist and nothing more. Zippo dont care about anything on his way, whatever he wants to get.
I dont agree with Avi coz of that w2roper problem. Zippo is right there, of course. But thats not the reason why people are pissed off on him.
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I just wanna get this off my chest:
If our community wasn't as small as it is I think ZiPpO would be long banned. Let's assume it was 20 times bigger, it just wouldn't hurt the competition as much to ban one player. And that's the only reason I see for not getting rid of him, really..
Of course you're right with most of what you said MI, and as much as I like and share your opinion of "everyone can change", this guy has not only once proven that he won't.
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But I also notice, that MOD's arent really interested about doing something against Zippo.,
Guess why? When you don't visit this forum for like 36 hours and when you come back you see ANOTHER zippo thread and ANOTHER w2roper thread and ANOTHER avoiding/laming thread (each 4 pages long with maybe 10% of useful posts) and you see that AGAIN it's the same few people involved... you get the picture - it's starting to get on your nerves. It's much easier to deal with few offensive posts by one person than with 200 posts from a dozen of people, phew of which get just as offensive as the post/person who started it. So to all of you who think flaming threads is gonna help us to get rid of someone - no, sorry, it won't, we'd much more appreciate it if you ignored you know who and instead used PM or post reporting instead. It would help, really.
I just wanna get this off my chest:
If our community wasn't as small as it is I think ZiPpO would be long banned. Let's assume it was 20 times bigger, it just wouldn't hurt the competition as much to ban one player. And that's the only reason I see for not getting rid of him, really..
Of course you're right with most of what you said MI, and as much as I like and share your opinion of "everyone can change", this guy has not only once proven that he won't.
Maybe darkZ, but banning doubletime didn't hurt anyone, neither would hurt to ban zippo.
We don't need zippo to change, not anymore. We need the community to lay back and watch him saw off the branch his sitting on.
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I personally took an interest in him, tried to talk to him, treat him with respect, I REALLY tried to help him, and he just spat it back at me, like he does with everyone else, even you...
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(This is generaly speaking, not picking on komo, altough it may look like: )
And what have you learned from that? To turn away and ignore his ungrateful sorry ass from then on?
NO, you obviously figured that it would be good to post another wall of text and hand him another ego injection a pathological attention seeker like him get his kicks from. Again, to all of you, read MonkeyIsland's post AGAIN and read it CAREFULLY.
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my "ban zippo poll" thread was strictly to have fun... i forget what other thread gave me the brilliant idea, but i decided it would be funny to make a ban zippo thread... i also did it to make light of my w2roper thread... i admit i took it too far, and im done with it... but yet.. people still like to refresh my memory of this often :) i dont mind.
no part of me thought "hmmm, maybe if enough ppl vote for him to be banned, then he will be" it was strictly a joke... i find most of you here take me too seriously.
as for MI saying people swearing and insulting in games.. i really hope ur not talking about me, because the only people i swear directly, and not indirectly *such as "f@#!, dint mean to do that!!!" are my friends, who know im just kidding... example: husk and chicken, i love to go zippo style on them when they beat us! hahaha but they know its all <3 and jokes and i gg them.
other then that, and believe it or not, i try to make an effort to always have good sportsmanship.. no matter how mad i am at losing.. when som1 makes a good move, ill tell them. and say gg...
i guess i can rly just end this post with... BAN ZIPPO :D
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(This is generaly speaking, not picking on komo, altough it may look like: )
And what have you learned from that? To turn away and ignore his ungrateful sorry ass from then on?
NO, you obviously figured that it would be good to post another wall of text and hand him another ego injection a pathological attention seeker like him get his kicks from. Again, to all of you, read MonkeyIsland's post AGAIN and read it CAREFULLY.
No, I realised I won't offer him my help anymore, he doesn't deserve it, you can only help someone if they want to be helped, you can only force law if you are willing to take action, while I think you guys do an amazing job of this league, you are too soft, just like the modern justice system in almost every country in the world now, the reason WHY he gets his kicks out of it is because he gets away with it, NOT because we do the things we do, trust me when I say this, if someone does something wrong, and enjoy it, and gets away with it, they will continue to do it, if they do something wrong, and are severely punished for it, the chances are they will not do it again, they might try it again later, then you come down on them EVEN HARDER, and it will soon get stuck in their brain that this is wrong.
For example, the best thing my own father EVER done for me, was physically knock crap out of me, and sense into me when growing up, everytime I done something bad and got away with it, I would do more of it, whenever I done something bad and got caught, and my father found out, and knocked the crap out of me, guess what, I never done it again, because of this I stayed away from drugs like heroin, people that are just plain evil and a waste of time, and I grew up with a sense of morals and respect for other people, and I thank my father for that constantly, when he said "I am doing this for your own good" I now see what he meant.
I know this is slightly off-topic, but it's the same in UK with crime and punishement, human rights etc, and the proof is in the past:
Today, 95% of the time, a man murders someone, gets imprisoned, with luxury, possibly better living conditions inside jail, than outside, mental help from a doctor (which doesn't work), gets out of jail 10 years later, murders someone else, gets jail for 20 years, gets back out, murders someone.
50 years ago, a man murders someone, man gets locked up for "life" lives under pathetic conditions, endures years of boredum, hard work, punishment, and harsh living conditions, gets out of jail 30-40 years later (maybe, after years of meetings and mental help) 80% of all these cases the person never commited a crime again.
100+ years ago, a man murders someone - that man gets sentenced to death, in most cases.
The further back we go, the more justice there was.
The point is: If you let someone away with something, they will keep doing it, this is fact, with proof to back it up.
I know for a fact, if zippo in real life was face to face with you, or MI, or ANY other MOD, and was acting like this to lets say, your family, or other beloved, you would NOT put up with it, I know you guys can put up with zippo's attitude, but just because you don't really care, or choose to ignore him, doesn't mean WE, have to put up with it.
And it is NOT the same few people complaining about Zippo, look at the records, I can bet at least 30 different people have made complaints about him, it's actually possibly close to 50-70, in terms of abuse they have received in-game, or some stupid comment Zippo has made about them in the games comments section.
Trust me, if WE didn't complain, someone else would, it is inevitable.
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I believe the problem is that people constantly complain about one (or two) person and that is simply name calling. Name calling is really a bad manner too. People get easily banned for such things in other communities. Mostly there are Stickies called: No Name Calling. On the other side there are ALWAYS rules that forbid harsh language or flames. These guys get also banned very quickly.
But you can't just ban the one person that is causing the mess when the masses are heavily involved with accusations and name calling. You draw a bad picture on Zippo when new people read this forum. Not everyone follows the threads as deeply as some of us do so they simply think: Ok Zippo is bad.
That MIGHT be right but everyone should make his own judgment if someone is bad or not. Hence name calling is forbidden and punished in other forums.
Use the little report button, don't create flame threads and, yeah, ignore him. I do too and it works. ;)
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I believe the problem is that people constantly complain about one (or two) person and that is simply name calling. Name calling is really a bad manner too. People get easily banned for such things in other communities. Mostly there are Stickies called: No Name Calling. On the other side there are ALWAYS rules that forbid harsh language or flames. These guys get also banned very quickly.
But you can't just ban the one person that is causing the mess when the masses are heavily involved with accusations and name calling. You draw a bad picture on Zippo when new people read this forum. Not everyone follows the threads as deeply as some of us do so they simply think: Ok Zippo is bad.
That MIGHT be right but everyone should make his own judgment if someone is bad or not. Hence name calling is forbidden and punished in other forums.
Use the little report button, don't create flame threads and, yeah, ignore him. I do too and it works. ;)
Kai, you haven't been around, you haven't even noticed whats been going on...
We are not drawing a picture of Zippo, he drew up his own self-portrait, he brought it on himself.
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I don't like to steer shit up (i love it), but I got banned for much less. What changed?
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I totally see the points of MI, Rok and Darkone in this thread. They say alot of wise and senseful things which every1 should listen to. i ALSO get all the frustration from the "rest" of the people here. And MI,Rok and Darkone, are u really active enough in this league 2 "feel" the person f.ex Zippo is vs the players and clans in here? I think not, u rarely play this league, and i rarely see any1 of u in ag.. So just keep in mind, that looking from "afar" on this matter is much easier than for the guys who really plays alot of tus and feel it on their body.. :)
And btw Nino, i can understand u get mad when guys just show their penis 2 ur gf, ill have a talk with Camper....
:D
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I believe the problem is that people constantly complain about one (or two) person and that is simply name calling. Name calling is really a bad manner too. People get easily banned for such things in other communities. Mostly there are Stickies called: No Name Calling. On the other side there are ALWAYS rules that forbid harsh language or flames. These guys get also banned very quickly.
But you can't just ban the one person that is causing the mess when the masses are heavily involved with accusations and name calling. You draw a bad picture on Zippo when new people read this forum. Not everyone follows the threads as deeply as some of us do so they simply think: Ok Zippo is bad.
That MIGHT be right but everyone should make his own judgment if someone is bad or not. Hence name calling is forbidden and punished in other forums.
Use the little report button, don't create flame threads and, yeah, ignore him. I do too and it works. ;)
Kai, you haven't been around, you haven't even noticed whats been going on...
We are not drawing a picture of Zippo, he drew up his own self-portrait, he brought it on himself.
That's not completely true at all! I have always read the more interesting threads on Tus, even before actively posting here. :)
And still in my opinion name calling isn't really the solution to this problem you have here with zippo. MI has clearly statet that creating threads and complaining about him isn't going to get him banned. Why still bother then? -.-
I even think that the more you moan about him the less it gets him banned. xD
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ye uber, that really piss me of..cos she always comments things like...this one was bigger than yours!!! >:( huahuahua
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Oh, it wasnt Camper then..... :D
haha xD
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uber brings up a very good point.. :-*
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MI, i just read your post and must say that i don't really get your point on how you advice to solve the obvious problems on this site.
You know you blame people to give too much attention to certain people who are only into destroying this, saying that they are responsible for all this to happen... why did you put up rules on this site then anyway if noone gets punished when breaking them? Punishment by ignoring?? Come on... you know, the person that should be first to blame for you is yourself then. By putting a site like this on the internet you actually performed the 1st step to give the attention-seekers a platform to post their rubbish. That is why in every society/community or anything there are responsible people taking care of cleaning up the rubbish to protect the people that enjoy the benefits of this society or community. I don't see that on TUS, and i'm delighted to see other people get fed up with the shit here slowly too now.
Sorry dude but it's your job to do something when things go wrong, and to tell people to ignore notorious attention seeking no-lifes and people that break the rules every day is not a clever thing to do, no it isn't.
Edit: Note that i don't write this because i hate Zipp0, Doulbetime or anyone else, the names don't matter. I hate when people think they can do everything they like not caring about others and destroying what they built up and they get a "Oooh he's not such a bad guy, he just needs a bit of ignoring, in fact the people that don't ignore him are the bad guys becasue they give him what he wants. :D" instead of a well deserved pedagogic kick in the ass.
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I don't like to steer shit up (i love it), but I got banned for much less. What changed?
BAN HIM!
*cough*
never mind :)
Uber, no I don't play TUS actively, but this does not mean that I don't play W:A actively. I've actually played W:A for quite a long time too. It saddens me that you're assuming I don't know what it's like to play with people like Zippo. Even more so that you seem to assume the Zippo complaints don't frustrate us as moderators.
And you can stop pretending that Zippo and Doubletime are the first and only annoying people ever to be on WN.
I know someone with chess like Zippo too. The last time we played, I escaped with a draw and he called it the worst game by far that he had played. (A far better comparison than nino's exhibitionist example, if you ask me.) I just told him it was by far the worst game I had played today too. I can tell you he didn't like that :)
Of course people are frustrated. You guys are being annoyed constantly by the same 2 guys.
Now read this thread and pretend you're crash/Zippo. Would you be motivated to be nice to these guys?
We're not asking you to be nice to him/them, you can read it back. We're not defending his/their behaviour, we're really not.
But there are people here (in this very thread no less) who've had their moments that are far worse than anything Zippo has ever done, yet no one has asked us to ban them.
How would you react if a thread like this was started about one of your mates?
If you recall, there actually was a period when Zippo was actually acting quite normally. This was after Komo had a little chat with him (kudos for that btw, Komo). If you hadn't noticed that, then you're only paying attention to Zippo when he's annoying.
Chakk, I fully sympathise with what you're saying there. But I also recall a certain bungeerace cup where you were reluctant to kick someone out who was misbehaving ;) (you could chalk that experience for the first paragraph, Uber). You might also note that I never asked you to kick him out either, but rather to address the multiple complaints of just one game.
I'm not reminding you to criticise your decisions in that cup in any way btw. At the time, I was really pissed at how things were going, but in retrospect, I think what you did was the best way to handle the situation.
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Oh, it wasnt Camper then..... :D
haha xD
piiiif, you like to see it on webcam whore!
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Chakk, I fully sympathise with what you're saying there. But I also recall a certain bungeerace cup where you were reluctant to kick someone out who was misbehaving ;) (you could chalk that experience for the first paragraph, Uber). You might also note that I never asked you to kick him out either, but rather to address the multiple complaints of just one game.
I'm not reminding you to criticise your decisions in that cup in any way btw. At the time, I was really pissed at how things were going, but in retrospect, I think what you did was the best way to handle the situation.
Well you got a point there i guess^^. The difference imo is though that FaD was given a 2nd chance and i told him he's out if there's anymore trouble concerning him while the notorious cheaters, attention seekers or whatever here get their 1000th chance and still get away with it without having to face any consequences.
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cool d1, i remember when u used to defend the point of TSR banning peoples like crazy in FB, now i undestand you point why we have to stand a guy as zippo, thanks m8.
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I remember when everybody was outraged at the banning of people in FB :)
Oh, how the world changes! But to be honest, if we're going to ban people for being annoying, you should definitely be banned for what you posted earlier in this thread...
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sure, i can be annoying, doctor, and it seems that really i annoy you, iam sorry.
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Darkone, cheers for ur modest reply. :)
Dont get me wrong, i dont doubt u or any of the other mod's mentioned experience both as a player and a mod, i think ur doing a good job for this site, and u back up ur facts very good, TUS should be glad 2 have a mod as urself really, well well enough with the suckup! :p But seriously, keep it up.
BUT even u like it or not, YOU never play vs these guys in a league game, where rating and win/loss is at stake. :) Thats what i meant, not that u never play and hang in #ag, tho i v rarely see u there, maybe im not looking good enough tho! :)
Thing is, u say; well u dont have 2 play them, simply ignore them. Well then u got a new problem, then they spam ag and shoutbox etc with words as "noob", "avoider", "coward" and so on and so on. People doesnt want that either, i mean thats like the worst thing ever, where i come from the word "coward" is an invitation 2 battle it out, right here right now! :) And maybe thats inmature, but hey, we're men!! We are not build for ignoring people who trashtalk at us! :p Specially if we dont like em from the beginning at least.. :)
Im not saying 100% that ban is the correct thing, im just trying 2 tell u where we come from by saying it :)
wanna camsex btw??
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cool d1, i remember when u used to defend the point of TSR banning peoples like crazy in FB, now i undestand you point why we have to stand a guy as zippo, thanks m8.
lowl
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Of course people are frustrated. You guys are being annoyed constantly by the same 2 guys.
Now read this thread and pretend you're crash/Zippo. Would you be motivated to be nice to these guys?
You seem to be forgetting that we are only complaining about zippo and crash because they are the ones that started causing all this, I know they wouldn't reply nice, but it's their fault, when they both started to act bad like this none of us forced it upon them, they chose to behave like this WAY before it got out of hand like it is starting to become.
But there are people here (in this very thread no less) who've had their moments that are far worse than anything Zippo has ever done, yet no one has asked us to ban them.
How would you react if a thread like this was started about one of your mates
Why do you act as if this is a fact? In MY opinion, no one in this thread has done anything near as bad as Zippo, possibly crash, but not zippo, I don't feel impersonating people for a few days, or admitting to using some program for playing warmers (not leagues so not considered cheating in my opinion) is anywhere near as bad as someone who EVERYDAY acts like a complete evil immature prick to 99% of people he plays against.
I don't know how I would react, because it depends on who it was, what they had done, and who they had done it against, if I believe one of my mates is completely out of order, then I would probably back up the decision to have them banned for a while, and that is the honest truth.
If you recall, there actually was a period when Zippo was actually acting quite normally. This was after Komo had a little chat with him (kudos for that btw, Komo). If you hadn't noticed that, then you're only paying attention to Zippo when he's annoying.
Yes, and it didn't last anywhere near long enough, seeing as I was the one who spoke to Zippo, and he completely ruined it, then after the way he acted towards me in a few clanners, AFTER all the help and advice I gave him, and stuck up for him, he treats me like this? It's even worse when you try to help someone and they act like this.
Also, if you are telling us to ignore him, you are in a way giving us permission to argue like hell on the forums and ruin it for everone else, because if he can act like this and get away with it, that means ANYONE else can do it also, and I am not talking about behavoir on forums, I am also talking about having bad sportsmanship, no respect for anyone in-game, accusing people of cheating...
Don't let 1 bad apple ruin the bunch... Get rid of him for a while.
I remember when everybody was outraged at the banning of people in FB :)
That was totally different, sometimes they did ban too many people for nothing, I got banned once just for disagreeing with Kiros on the way he handled a complaint or something... I didn't really mind it though, whether I was right or wrong, in the end I realised, well, it IS his website, his league, and his rules, we get all this service for nothing, so respect things the way they want it, or don't bother going there.
In this case, I think it is more than obvious the right thing to do, not a permament ban, I'd ban him for a week to think things over (he needs to study for his "uni" anyway...).
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i wrote a massive post.. i previewed it, i clicked back and i lost it.. As if this thread has not even drained enough life out of me the through or retyping everything i just wrote makes me sick..
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i wrote a massive post.. i previewed it, i clicked back and i lost it.. As if this thread has not even drained enough life out of me the through or retyping everything i just wrote makes me sick..
Hahaha, yeah something like that has happened to me too when I wrote a massive text, since then I always make a back up by copying the text before preview/posting. Browser can always crash or something like that.
Btt: I think Komo has made a strong point... if you allow people to behave like Zippo it invites everyone in theory to do it and get a way with it. I agree that there has to be some line when it's just too heavy to ignore.
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The line is clear, name yourself ropa and that's crossing the line, anything else anything goes
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That should be a rule!
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You seem to be forgetting that we are only complaining about zippo and crash because they are the ones that started causing all this, I know they wouldn't reply nice, but it's their fault, when they both started to act bad like this none of us forced it upon them, they chose to behave like this WAY before it got out of hand like it is starting to become.
Again, we are not denying nor approving of this. Again, don't pretend they're the only ones acting like this. As Anubis posted, people come here and all these posts are already painting a picture of zippo and crash. I think you'll find you're willing to accept less from someone with a bad rep than from someone with a good rep, even if they're using the exact same words.
I don't know how I would react, because it depends on who it was, what they had done, and who they had done it against, if I believe one of my mates is completely out of order, then I would probably back up the decision to have them banned for a while, and that is the honest truth.
Sorry, but why exactly does it depend on who they're saying it to? Seems to me that if I'm calling crash names or calling MI names shouldn't make any kind of difference. Nor should it make any kind of difference if I try to get a cheap win against crash or against MI.
Yes, and it didn't last anywhere near long enough, seeing as I was the one who spoke to Zippo, and he completely ruined it, then after the way he acted towards me in a few clanners, AFTER all the help and advice I gave him, and stuck up for him, he treats me like this? It's even worse when you try to help someone and they act like this.
Yeah, I get that feeling quite often myself :) (Not referring to this thread with that btw)
And I agree. He did ruin it. And yes, it does suck that you're trying to help him and he just ignores that. I wonder why you think we don't know what that's like, Komo...
Also, if you are telling us to ignore him, you are in a way giving us permission to argue like hell on the forums and ruin it for everone else, because if he can act like this and get away with it, that means ANYONE else can do it also, and I am not talking about behavoir on forums, I am also talking about having bad sportsmanship, no respect for anyone in-game, accusing people of cheating...
Don't let 1 bad apple ruin the bunch... Get rid of him for a while.
I'll just quote someone here because he put it so nicely:
Maybe darkZ, but banning doubletime didn't hurt anyone, neither would hurt to ban zippo.
We don't need zippo to change, not anymore. We need the community to lay back and watch him saw off the branch his sitting on.
I didn't really mind it though, whether I was right or wrong, in the end I realised, well, it IS his website, his league, and his rules, we get all this service for nothing, so respect things the way they want it, or don't bother going there.
sounds like a good point to me :)
I'll reply to your post a bit later, Uber! It requires a proper response and no rushed job and I gtg now.
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u r all cheaters and if u win, its because of luck.
im the best. good thing they r not banning anyone except people who r using typoed rope as a nickname
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I just don't see how you're reasoning that it's basically everyone's fault that you didn't ban anyone yet because they're paying attention to them or care too much.. How can it be everyone's fault, seriously? I don't think anyone's ganging up on ZiPpO (though that may be the case), it's just that everyone's majorly annoyed by him.
Edit: I love you Husk. <3
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lets have sex dark!
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Let's invite Crazy, Husk!
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iam up too :D sexy party yay!!!
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Again, we are not denying nor approving of this. Again, don't pretend they're the only ones acting like this. As Anubis posted, people come here and all these posts are already painting a picture of zippo and crash. I think you'll find you're willing to accept less from someone with a bad rep than from someone with a good rep, even if they're using the exact same words.
They ARE the only ones acting THIS bad... If none of you realise this, then you are either being ignorant (sorry, but it's the truth), or you just don't SEE the whole picture... And you are 100% correct, you will accept less crap from someone you already know acts how Zippo does, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, if someone we all know acts nice all the time, acts like zippo for 1-2 days because something bad in their life and they took a bad turn, but quickly snapped out of it, I could easily forgive this, I have done in the past, but with Zippo, it always has been and always will be and you know that, so stop making excuses for him, stop telling us to ignore him because we can't, and as for him behaving? I have more chance of winning the lottery, at least in the next 5-10 years I think, and I am not joking, I am being serious, I honestly do believe I have a better chance of winning money...
If you think ANYTHING I have said in this whole thread is anywhere near as bad as them, it's completely wrong, I have not used foul language, I have took a ridiculous amount of time (Probably 20-30 minutes a post thinking of best words to come across to make my point) to put together my posts, they are mature, thought through and alot of people agree, so if any of my posts offend you it is not because they are morally wrong, it's just because you don't agree with them and don't respect my opinion, and just because I am saying this, doesn't mean that I think this is what you are thinking, I am just mentioning it.
Sorry, but why exactly does it depend on who they're saying it to? Seems to me that if I'm calling crash names or calling MI names shouldn't make any kind of difference. Nor should it make any kind of difference if I try to get a cheap win against crash or against MI.
It changes everything, like I have explained in the last quote, if YOU acted like Zippo for a day or 2, we obviously know it isn't normally like you to act like this so we would give you the benefit of the doubt in hope you will be back to normal soon, any good person can have a bad turn due to something happening in their life not associated with this game, that they bring into this game, like when someone annoys you and you take it out on your friends or something, if you started swearing, accusing people of cheating, posting free wins etc for a few days, we would probably think someone is hacking your account to start off with... Then after you prove it IS you, I am guessing you would explain what happened after you calmed down, and you would probably be forgiving, but with Zippo, it's Zippo, he has ALWAYS been like this and will NOT change unless dealth with properly and severely.
Yeah, I get that feeling quite often myself :) (Not referring to this thread with that btw)
And I agree. He did ruin it. And yes, it does suck that you're trying to help him and he just ignores that. I wonder why you think we don't know what that's like, Komo...
Who said I thought that? I never assumed anything...
I'll just quote someone here because he put it so nicely:
Maybe darkZ, but banning doubletime didn't hurt anyone, neither would hurt to ban zippo.
We don't need zippo to change, not anymore. We need the community to lay back and watch him saw off the branch his sitting on.
The 1st part is true I guess, but the 2nd part is just morally wrong, in every way possible, you are asking us to continue being annoyed and agrivated most days of the week when we play because of 1 person.
No one has said anything (or maybe they have but not that I know of) but I know for a fact you have both or all warned Zippo, like a serious serious warning, he has been quiet for the last few days, since this thread actually, and like every criminal/***hole when warned or under pressure they will lie low and wait for things to cool off, then they will just be back to normal, trust me when I say this, this will not end good if you don't do something about it, In my opinion, you guys have made a sensational job of this league, and the website, it's personally the best website I've seen for any league before, and it's more competitive than ever to me at least, but seriously, you are the ONLY people I have ever seen to put up with as much crap as Zippo has this league and alot of players, personally I think he should be banned, but I'd be more than happy if he would just shutup or calm down, but it looks like neither of these will ever happen.
Just remember, you always have the power to ban him.
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ban for?? for dont play against avirex w2roper shit scheme?
avirex insult me all of the moments....most times when he loses. and how he never beat me then he insult me all the time.
is very easy you come here and say that I insult everyone. But it says that all insult me too.
I just write a complaint in the forum which has some 500 people who have nothing to be complaint posting ridiculous things.
I never went into a complaint of someone to insult or to say what I think .. Because this is work of moderators.
Look how many people are here writing this ridiculous complaint.
Speaking ill of me and stuff.
These nifty stuff that everyone comes here and speaks no advance at shit.
People I've never seen in my life start to insult me in ag no reason.
for example you komo. So what you have to do with this complaint?
nothing!
if you pay attention. almost 100% of the time I insult someone ... I'm insulted first.
Just see the shoutbox. yesterday or before yesterday even wrote something in the shoutbox and "beer" came and wrote "dumstar woe titahemp the asshole came and wrote the same thing.
The son of a bitch nino always insult my death brother in shoutbox and in forums.
this can not yet?
nothing more for say..
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ban for?? for dont play against avirex w2roper shit scheme?
avirex insult me all of the moments....most times when he loses. and how he never beat me then he insult me all the time.
is very easy you come here and say that I insult everyone. But it says that all insult me too.
I just write a complaint in the forum which has some 500 people who have nothing to be complaint posting ridiculous things. I never went into a complaint of someone to insult or to say what I think .. Because this is work of moderators.
Look how many people are here writing this ridiculous complaint. Speaking ill of me and stuff. These nifty stuff that everyone comes here and speaks no advance at shit. People I've never seen in my life start to insult me in ag no reason.
for example you komo. So what you have to do with this complaint? nothing! if you pay attention. almost 100% of the time I insult someone ... I'm insulted first.
Just see the shoutbox. yesterday or before yesterday even wrote something in the shoutbox and "beer" came and wrote "dumstar woe titahemp the asshole came and wrote the same thing. The son of a bitch nino always insult my death brother in shoutbox and in forums.
this can not yet? nothing more for say..
It would be a lot easier if you would have written what I quoted above. I mean you dont need to insult them, even if they insulted you. And you really should'nt add a blank line after each sentence, it's just not nice to read :d
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This doesn't really have anything to do with the w2roper to be honest, you are saying everyone insults you yet you fail to realise or even think WHY they are insulting you, the answer is because you act like such a jerk to them to begin with if you don't know.
When have I ever insulted you in AG? As a matter of fact, I am one of the only people to tell other people to STOP insulting you, and stick up for you...
I agree nino is wrong with what he says about your Brother, that is totally disrespectful and out of order and I expect nothing less from you to retaliate.
This is more about the way you act in games and the way you report games etc in general, at least 50% of the games you have lost has some "pfft I could own this noob easy" comment in it...
I don't care too much about insults, it's your attitude towards competitive gaming that bothers me.
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Its just sad that making a comment always ends in crap. And I'd like to point out that its no Zippo alone who is responsible for this.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-37629/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-37648/
I mean seriously, why the hell does it have to be like this? Make a flamewar thread in the trash can board if you really need it :/
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free coment
"Blaming luck for releasing a stupid sheep.
doH tradition?"
insult my clan is like insult me.
"Yea right man.
If you were leading like that, you would cry your eyes out to get the win.
Hypocrit motherf@#!er."
hypocrit motherf@#!er....hmmm nice insult ae no?
my answer? "nice insult ae free, ur mom proud of u"
99% of times i was insulted first...its total true all can see in this posts random
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"Blaming luck for releasing a stupid sheep.
doH tradition?"
^ Except this isn't even an insult.. Yet you fire back?
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Mods are having a talk about this. We'll post soon.
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Zippo; im not trying 2 get u banned really, i tried 2 tell u how u could act confident with style.. :) Some trashtalking is normal in every sport, so why not worms.. I find it funny 2 see how the "your moma" jokes still is hanging around! :D
The ONLY problem me personally have with u Zippo is back when u tried 2 blame ur uncle for those losses vs that poor guy who didnt even understand what was going on (when u plopped all ur worms in rr).. I so busted u there and u know it deep down inside! But lets NOT start over with that discussion again.. :)
Você é um filho da puta louco, e isso é ok, mas não tente mijar todos fora o tempo todo! xD
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UBERRRRR
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/english-only-in-public-parts/
I know I didn't do this for a while now. :D
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was my uncle ROFL!!!
"Blaming luck for releasing a stupid sheep.
doH tradition?"
it is a insult for me!
if u dont care about say this things about ur clan its ok...but my clan is important for me cuz it we are 1st overall...only with 2 or 3 players active!
darkz tell to free for learn how to play before say something about my clan ;D
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Dude you don't get the point, it is not an insult, he just pointed out that people in doH curse "luck" quite too often, even when it's inappropriate doing so.
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When I was younger I would have felt a bit uncomfortable when someone would have said such things while I was in a proud clan like dt or sCa. It always depends on the situation and what something means to someone. It's like these religion discussion, for someone like me it wouldn't matter if someone says bad things about a religion but for someone else it may does.
Another thing is, if you know someone gets mad quite fast about minor things, then you shouldn't try to provoke it.
I am not defending Zippo, just trying to point out some things that are in my opinion overseen and very important.
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Yes, it was meant as a insult.
Zippo & Crash are simply quite stupid (really, they are a little stupid) and while it is not cool to point it out, I just have to do it.
You may call it insulting, I call it tough love.
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Me and Obscure trash talk for god knows how long. I can't remember, since we were much younger. Anything we did together we insult each other with every sentence. We still do.
Everything we touched, we used to make a competition out of it. For example. we used to go out fishing together, we had this competition who catches more fishes and we make fun of each other fish sizes. But always we knew it is just for the competition sake. We always tell excuses why we lost to the other one. (As you can see: (+502: 45-21) obscure <= how noob obscure is ;))
Once I was playing with Ramone, and he repeated his previous mistake and I told him "How stupid someone can be to repeat a failed turn." and that made him upset. (That was a lines me and obscure used to tell each other)
That's what I see in ZiPpO. But the difference is, ZiPpO does it to anybody. He trash-talk to the people who doesn't feel close enough to take it as a completion and take it straight as an insult. (Combine that with his horrible English and it gets even worse)
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My long post which i lost said dont ban anyone and if people who are on their whichhunt for bans don't like it, then so what.
People asking for more justice, but soon as you do that you'll get people complaining for bans and posts being deleted and topics closed. You'll never please the community.. People should just have enough maturity to ignore zippo. If you don't like him don't play him.
If u complain about his comments and stuff. Ban him from forums, take away the game features of viewing texts. If some guy who u found annoying kept drinking in your local pub you would not ask the landlord to get him barred. And you wouldnt be so immature and sensetive to start drinking in a different pub. Although that option is there. Zippo and crash should not be banned if they are not breaking any rules. Stop your witchhunt. This topic is like a medievil purge and its retardly frustrating how so many of you appear to be so sensetitive. Grow a set and just leave them be.
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You only won cause you were lucky
Ban him!
The son of a bitch nino always insult my death brother in shoutbox and in forums.
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How would you like to fill in the quote? Or would you rather revise the first one?
<+CyberShadow> the Internet is a strange thing, isn't it?
<+CyberShadow> it's so easy to hate someone, when all you know is their nickname and some stuff he typed on a keyboard
Should TUS moderators get sucked into this? Vote on the more riled up side?
We must ban ZiPpO, because? He pisses you off? I've been bleeding out of eyes when I read some of other people's posts here, what's the deal with them? It's OK as long as it is not posted by ZiPpO?
You have no idea how much you are damaging the community by bringing attention to this. You are inviting people to hate. You are teaching them 'Its cool to be angry'. There are people who hate ZiPpO who really have nothing to do with him.
Stop this! it is NOT ZiPpO who is ruining your fun. It is yourselves. There are infinite number of things in the world that can piss you off for good. That doesn't mean you have to go focus on them and get pissed.
Chicken23, Random00, I salute you.
Mods are having a talk about this. We'll post soon.
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chicken.. if there was somone 1annoying in the bar, we would be able to punch him in the face.. we cant do that with zippo :(
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chicken.. if there was somone 1annoying in the bar, we would be able to punch him in the face.. we cant do that with zippo :(
oh yea XDD
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I dont really insult the brother of zippo, i dont even knew him, what i said and still saying is that, zippo should`ve died inteasted of him, iam even being nice with zippos brother.
and ye... when the topic is zippo..i dont give a f@#!. fu zippo.
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lol nino puto that's really evil to say. xD Especially when you mean it serious.
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chicken.. if there was somone 1annoying in the bar, we would be able to punch him in the face.. we cant do that with zippo :(
yea, and then you would be the one getting banned/barred.
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iam sorry community for this, i promise i wont say stuff like this again even being my real feeling, i know thats not nice.
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My long post which i lost said dont ban anyone and if people who are on their whichhunt for bans don't like it, then so what.
People asking for more justice, but soon as you do that you'll get people complaining for bans and posts being deleted and topics closed. You'll never please the community.. People should just have enough maturity to ignore zippo. If you don't like him don't play him.
If u complain about his comments and stuff. Ban him from forums, take away the game features of viewing texts. If some guy who u found annoying kept drinking in your local pub you would not ask the landlord to get him barred. And you wouldnt be so immature and sensetive to start drinking in a different pub. Although that option is there. Zippo and crash should not be banned if they are not breaking any rules. Stop your witchhunt. This topic is like a medievil purge and its retardly frustrating how so many of you appear to be so sensetitive. Grow a set and just leave them be.
For me it is retardly frustrating to see this necessary discussion on how to handle people that kick every rule on this site in the ass degraded to be a witchhunt on 2 players. And to see things completely turned around when people now blame the community to create guys like that. You know they have been like that before TUS, they'll be like that after TUS. As simple as that. Well, if you guys like a worms league site like that, you know with all the trash talk, cheating and stuff like that, go ahead. I remember TUS wanted to be something entirely else in the past though. But hey, maybe we all forget our roots when the shit comes up. :)
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omfg guys i lost due some vvvvbbbbllllll like all my turns was perfect before vvvvvvbbbbllllll
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If they cheat then they should be banned. But i don't see anyone accusing them of cheating here. I just see people saying how they dislike zippo and crash.
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People asking for more justice, but soon as you do that you'll get people complaining for bans and posts being deleted and topics closed. You'll never please the community.. People should just have enough maturity to ignore zippo. If you don't like him don't play him.
If u complain about his comments and stuff. Ban him from forums, take away the game features of viewing texts. If some guy who u found annoying kept drinking in your local pub you would not ask the landlord to get him barred. And you wouldnt be so immature and sensetive to start drinking in a different pub. Although that option is there. Zippo and crash should not be banned if they are not breaking any rules. Stop your witchhunt. This topic is like a medievil purge and its retardly frustrating how so many of you appear to be so sensetitive. Grow a set and just leave them be.
We won't be asking for more bans etc unless it's deserving and in this case it is, like avi said, people that act the way Zippo does in real life you could just hit them and end it there and then, and if you got barred for it as well, so what, at least you would be be able to take out some anger, and hopefully the person would learn a lesson through "I don't like pain, so I won't do this again..."
And actually, if someone in your local pub was annoying people on the scale Zippo annoys people on TuS Zippo WOULD get barred because they would lose custom to another pub, unfortunately we do not have another league to go to, and I know for a fact quite a few people would chose another league over this one just to get away from Zippo/Crash, that's a fact.
I don't get how we appear sensitive, i've seen you whine and moan about Zippo too, and as i've already said, if they can't ban him, then they should at LEAST delete insulting posts, not just from Zippo but from anyone, why would we choose to ignore someone, that's just stupid because it will just continue, if Zippo constantly got banned for acting the way he does, I know for a FACT he would stop it sooner than ignoring him would, someone will ALWAYS react to Zippo no matter how many people ignore him.
And funny you say we appear sensitive, yet you are protecting him? To me sticking up for someone who doesn't deserve your help in the first place is alot more sensitive than the fact most of us are fed up with him and just want to get rid of him, how is wanting to get rid of someone sensitive lol...
Anyway, it'd be better if he could just behave, he could be such a great asset to the community if he wasn't such a troll.
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We won't be asking for more bans etc unless it's deserving and in this case it is, like avi said, people that act the way Zippo does in real life you could just hit them and end it there and then, and if you got barred for it as well, so what, at least you would be be able to take out some anger, and hopefully the person would learn a lesson through "I don't like pain, so I won't do this again..."
This isnt real life tho. Its a computer game. Reasoning that you would just hit someone when you found them annoying isn't very mature or responsible. Thats just as wrong or worse than what they are doing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And actually, if someone in your local pub was annoying people on the scale Zippo annoys people on TuS Zippo WOULD get barred because they would lose custom to another pub, unfortunately we do not have another league to go to, and I know for a fact quite a few people would chose another league over this one just to get away from Zippo/Crash, that's a fact.
A fact? I doubt that, why don't you and the 10 or so people that can be bothered make your own league where zippo and crash are banned and go play in that?
I don't get how we appear sensitive, i've seen you whine and moan about Zippo too, and as i've already said, if they can't ban him, then they should at LEAST delete insulting posts, not just from Zippo but from anyone, why would we choose to ignore someone, that's just stupid because it will just continue, if Zippo constantly got banned for acting the way he does, I know for a FACT he would stop it sooner than ignoring him would, someone will ALWAYS react to Zippo no matter how many people ignore him.
its being sensitive because yes i'll moan, i'll get annoyed, but im over it within half an hour or so. But your obviously not as you still take the time to write essays on what TuS should do because you can't handle their attitude. Im not arguing against deleting posts, locking topics. I personally think the ingame chats should not be displayed. That would prevent alot of things because at the moment its so easy to scroll down and read the "asd asd asd" flooding, i doubt half of the people on zippo's back would take the time to download all his replays just to watch his reaction to how he lost a game. If they did then maybe they have too much time on their hands.
Im arguing against someone getting banned because they have a bad reputation and are disliked. That is banning someone based on opinions. Not with regards to the rule book of schemes. Ive always been against people being banned from leagues unless they are caught cheating. Most cases people have been banned from allaising. I would argue with kiros and neary got myself banned plenty of times to try and get ropa unbanned there because he was my friend. Zippo and crash are not my friends, but i still don't think its right to ban just because they act like children when they lose. We are all different ages, have different personalilites and different ways of dealing with our emotions. Accept them for who they are. Idiots prehaps, but not cheats or people that deserve to have a service taken away from them which they clearly enjoy just as much as you.
And funny you say we appear sensitive, yet you are protecting him? To me sticking up for someone who doesn't deserve your help in the first place is alot more sensitive than the fact most of us are fed up with him and just want to get rid of him, how is wanting to get rid of someone sensitive lol...
Anyway, it'd be better if he could just behave, he could be such a great asset to the community if he wasn't such a troll.
Maybe im sensitive, i won't deny that but i consider myself liberal. More justice, harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are all bad things in my view. Im an ex crusty has been raver hippy and i say lets all just get along. People provoke zippo and crash. Hell. Ive provoked crash loads of times just to piss him off. I did the same with beer aswell. Im not a saint, and nor are you, avi, and anyone else arguing for them to be banned. Even SPW and random00 have their moments when they lose clanners. No one is prefect here. We aren't all angles and we do fed the trolls. The whole topic has been hyped up. I like playing zippo and crash just to see them cry when they lose. Maybe if you have problems because you want to release your anger that they cause you then be more productive with that anger and own them next time you play them at tus. Im sure if they lose some more games it would knock them down a couple of notches on their ladders. Hell crash avoids me and does not play me in tus because hes scared to elite me and doesn't think risking to win 35 points of my lower rating is enough to attempt to play me. But look, you don't see me asking for him to be banned. I made a thread in complaints just to shame him, it worked. But you can't force people to play you and you can't force people to behave in a way we want them to. When you start to enforce things on people. It becomes dangerous. Go read 1984 and see if you want TuS to become the next FB!? ha. (no offense to FB)
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I totally agree with Chicken's post. Nice one.
I mean Im also pissed because of their behaviour quite often. The last time it was my single PO games with Crash. But after making a few posts on the forums and 15 minutes of thinking about how I acted, I just realized I was just acting as they do. And you can actually have some normal chat with them if you can just ignore the "n luck", "asdasd" and "BULLSHIT" sayings.
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This isnt real life tho. Its a computer game. Reasoning that you would just hit someone when you found them annoying isn't very mature or responsible. Thats just as wrong or worse than what they are doing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I didn't say I go around hitting people that annoy me, I have however done it most times I feel someone has wronged me.
And even though it is a computer game, it STILL IS real life, played by real people, in a real world, we are not dreaming or having nightmares here, and so it affects people even more because they can't take control as they could face to face.
A fact? I doubt that, why don't you and the 10 or so people that can be bothered make your own league where zippo and crash are banned and go play in that?
My point here was a counter on something you said, which was about not being immature as to go to another pub, the reference was we cannot just easily decide to go to another league, because there are none, I think you picked me up wrong on this?
its being sensitive because yes i'll moan, i'll get annoyed, but im over it within half an hour or so. But your obviously not as you still take the time to write essays on what TuS should do because you can't handle their attitude. Im not arguing against deleting posts, locking topics. I personally think the ingame chats should not be displayed. That would prevent alot of things because at the moment its so easy to scroll down and read the "asd asd asd" flooding, i doubt half of the people on zippo's back would take the time to download all his replays just to watch his reaction to how he lost a game. If they did then maybe they have too much time on their hands.
Im arguing against someone getting banned because they have a bad reputation and are disliked. That is banning someone based on opinions. Not with regards to the rule book of schemes. Ive always been against people being banned from leagues unless they are caught cheating. Most cases people have been banned from allaising. I would argue with kiros and neary got myself banned plenty of times to try and get ropa unbanned there because he was my friend. Zippo and crash are not my friends, but i still don't think its right to ban just because they act like children when they lose. We are all different ages, have different personalilites and different ways of dealing with our emotions. Accept them for who they are. Idiots prehaps, but not cheats or people that deserve to have a service taken away from them which they clearly enjoy just as much as you.
I am not as bothered as you think I am, I personally have still talked to Zippo, even after saying I am fed up with him, I personally too get a little frustrated but it goes away very very fast...
You are totally wrong with associating the way FB banned people with what would happen if TuS banned Zippo for his persistant actions and attitude, you cannot say it will end up the same especially since you can't see the future for starters, we all know FB took banning people WAY out of proportion, and I know for a fact TuS would never do this.
Maybe im sensitive, i won't deny that but i consider myself liberal. More justice, harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are all bad things in my view. Im an ex crusty has been raver hippy and i say lets all just get along. People provoke zippo and crash. Hell. Ive provoked crash loads of times just to piss him off. I did the same with beer aswell. Im not a saint, and nor are you, avi, and anyone else arguing for them to be banned. Even SPW and random00 have their moments when they lose clanners. No one is prefect here. We aren't all angles and we do fed the trolls. The whole topic has been hyped up. I like playing zippo and crash just to see them cry when they lose. Maybe if you have problems because you want to release your anger that they cause you then be more productive with that anger and own them next time you play them at tus. Im sure if they lose some more games it would knock them down a couple of notches on their ladders. Hell crash avoids me and does not play me in tus because hes scared to elite me and doesn't think risking to win 35 points of my lower rating is enough to attempt to play me. But look, you don't see me asking for him to be banned. I made a thread in complaints just to shame him, it worked. But you can't force people to play you and you can't force people to behave in a way we want them to. When you start to enforce things on people. It becomes dangerous. Go read 1984 and see if you want TuS to become the next FB!? ha. (no offense to FB)
Like you, I am just defending what I believe is right, now I like you Tom, I really do, we go way back, so please DO NOT take this next statement to heart, it's just what I feel would really happen, I respect the fact you wish everyone could just get along, and that you think more justice harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are bad things, I really respect your opinion, the only reason we get away with this is because we are spoiled in our countrys, in some countrys acting the way Zippo does could literally gets people killed, and by this I don't mean whining a bit because he loses a game, I am talking about the way he totally disrespects people and some comments he specifically makes.
I know you wish we could all get along, most people think that, but you need to have some backbone and make tough choices to benefit things sometime, I know you are saying this, but i've seen you saying stuff worse than "they should get banned" over the years I have known you, but with those things you said, you have mostly had good reason to say them, just like we have good reason to think Zippo and Crash should be banned for a while, especially Zippo, so for that part you are somewhat a Hypocrit.
For the last time, I know no one is perfect here, but it is more than obvious who the worst 2 are.
It's not our fault some people have been raised up and grown to be able to take this amount of crap from people and live with it, right now, and no offence, you are making it come across to me as you one of those people that would witness someone at school or a workplace being bullied or continously harassed and do nothing about it because it doesn't bother you personally, or walking one day and seeing some poor helpless person being mugged or raped and either be too scared to help them, or just don't care.
Now I know you are thinking, what's this got to do with someone on a game being banned for being a twat?!? However it is somehow the same train of thought, just because it doesn't directly affect you, or bother you that Zippo/Crash are 2 extremely annoying persistant cheap "anything-for-the-win" insultive ignorant arrogant immature pests, doesn't mean what they are doing isn't bad enough to deserve a ban or at least some sort of punishment for their actions, if we didn't have rules and laws to follow, it would be chaotic.
I have already said, if they won't be banned, some sort of punishment SHOULD take place, you can't let people get away with acting like this no matter where when and how if it bothers so many people.
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Also, I will not keep going on in this post anymore, we all have different opinions, and if we keep going down this road it'll end up another silly arguement, the MODS will decide what to do and we should all respect their choice, whether we agree with it or not, sometimes it's just nice to clear your head and get stuff off your chest...
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And even though it is a computer game, it STILL IS real life, played by real people, in a real world, we are not dreaming or having nightmares here, and so it affects people even more because they can't take control as they could face to face.
Why do they need to take control tho? And why do you let it bother you when someone insults you? Thier behaviour doesn't bother me to the degree it bothers you i think.
My point here was a counter on something you said, which was about not being immature as to go to another pub, the reference was we cannot just easily decide to go to another league, because there are none, I think you picked me up wrong on this?
Fair enough. There is no where else for you to go. But my point is that if someone was bugging me in my favourite pub. I would not be immature enough to let that get in the way of things. I would not go looking for a different pub to drink in because this one is my favourite. And i wouldn't badger the landlord into bar'ing people from that pub. So maybe you did not get my point. It was saying going off to a different alternative is not the right answer either. I think it was saying hypothecial that you just find different people to drink and talk with.. Hypothecial in our silly little pub scenerio, if zippo and crash are blind drunk getting into fights every night they would be banned right? But are they doing that here? Or are the acting like idiots but then getting a reaction off others which makes the situation worse?! I think the latter occurs more than them doing stuff which is a bannable offense.
You are totally wrong with associating the way FB banned people with what would happen if TuS banned Zippo for his persistant actions and attitude, you cannot say it will end up the same especially since you can't see the future for starters, we all know FB took banning people WAY out of proportion, and I know for a fact TuS would never do this.
Yes, i know that and it was on purpose because i wanted to dramatise the point. But once you go down that road its easy to say well that guy got banned for that. Why should that person not be banned from this? If we ban zippo and crash i think yourself, avirex, free, beer and probably me for some of my comments over the past year on this site could easly face bans aswell with the provoking too. Just look at those examples of what random00 posted about the comments in zippo's replays. People went there to provoke him on purpose. How is that behaviour any different from zippo and crash?
Like you, I am just defending what I believe is right, now I like you Tom, I really do, we go way back, so please DO NOT take this next statement to heart, it's just what I feel would really happen, I respect the fact you wish everyone could just get along, and that you think more justice harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are bad things, I really respect your opinion, the only reason we get away with this is because we are spoiled in our countrys, in some countrys acting the way Zippo does could literally gets people killed, and by this I don't mean whining a bit because he loses a game, I am talking about the way he totally disrespects people and some comments he specifically makes.
Now this is just redicilously and boarderline dellusional. Saying zippo's behaviour could get people killed? What are you smoking bro? And yea in the united kingdom we have different laws and less corruption but are you suggestion because zippo comes from a different country we should treat him differently? Thats prejudicism because your saying zippo is from a different country so he must act that way... and saying how he acts in his country gets people killed. What evidence do you have to say that? Because he does not have the social conditions of UK we should treat him differently? I think you need to explain that one to me because im interested to know whats going through your head here.
I know you wish we could all get along, most people think that, but you need to have some backbone and make tough choices to benefit things sometime, I know you are saying this, but i've seen you saying stuff worse than "they should get banned" over the years I have known you, but with those things you said, you have mostly had good reason to say them, just like we have good reason to think Zippo and Crash should be banned for a while, especially Zippo, so for that part you are somewhat a Hypocrit.
If you could come and pull out me saying that stuff then please go ahead because accusing me of being a hypocrit is funny when i don't believe i am. Is your point that ive said shit about zippo and crash? Of course i have, their idiots. I can say whatever crap i want about them. The difference is the people feeding the trolls do it publicly. This provokes them and makes matters worse. Also i haven't said they should be banned. Thats different to insulting them. Maybe im insulting them behind their backs too. But i don't care. Thats my opinion of them and its not constructive to start a fight with them publicly. I can do it over msn and in games if i want to and have done in the past. So im not talking behind their backs for long because i do have the balls to tell them when they are being dicks. That is fine as its not bringing it to the tus website and the community. Ive never said they should be banned from this league. I may of said they should be banned for cheating in leagues. Like the zippo and the uncle situation. If they got caught using programes to cheat and have their been situations when they pull the plug on games. Behaviour like that is not acceptable and thats the kind of stuff they should be punished for. We should be arguing and pulling facts and evidence about those incidients if you want to ban and punish them..
It's not our fault some people have been raised up and grown to be able to take this amount of crap from people and live with it, right now, and no offence, you are making it come across to me as you one of those people that would witness someone at school or a workplace being bullied or continously harassed and do nothing about it because it doesn't bother you personally, or walking one day and seeing some poor helpless person being mugged or raped and either be too scared to help them, or just don't care.
Now that is personal and just from reading my posts and arguing with me you've decided to make assumptions about who am i when all you know about me is from our interactions over the internet. People act very differently from how they act on here to how they act in the real world. You've just effectly called me a coward, pussy and selfish. How can you base your opinions of me on topics about a bloody game and if someone should be banned or not? That is very different to someone being bullied, someone being mugged or raped. Saying i would not care if something like that was happening to someone? Get real dave. Just because i have a liberal point of view on this topic does not mean i would act that way in a different situation. Do you want me to come and make assumptions about your personalilty and behaviour? Im sure you wouldn't like it because i easly could and may just be as easly wrong about you as you were about me and that would insult you.
Now I know you are thinking, what's this got to do with someone on a game being banned for being a twat?!? However it is somehow the same train of thought, just because it doesn't directly affect you, or bother you that Zippo/Crash are 2 extremely annoying persistant cheap "anything-for-the-win" insultive ignorant arrogant immature pests, doesn't mean what they are doing isn't bad enough to deserve a ban or at least some sort of punishment for their actions, if we didn't have rules and laws to follow, it would be chaotic.
So yea, now that saying it doesnt directly effect me after calling me a coward your trying to show how its relative. somehow the same train of thought
Well its not because i am thinking what the hell has someone being raped got to do with someone acting like they do on this site. Because i can ignore people acting immaturely on this website therefore means im going to irgnore someone being mugged? You can't compare these acts because they are so different so i think your argument is void. There is no comparison between the situations you have presented because they are totally diverse. Saying someone will ignore stuff in life so they will ignore things on a worms community is not really a solid base of argument. Bescause someone steals stationary at work does not mean they will steal a car or rob a bank right? I don't think you can apply a relative theory to social behaviour. There are too many different varibles which influence us. I think its more to do with physics... like gravity.
Im still here saying they don't deserved to be banned. Im still saying i can ignore them and that does not mean those of us who are able to ignore them are the type of people that don't stand up for others. I can say what they are doing is petty but it does not bother me. But yea. Maybe a punishment is in order. They could have a forum ban. Some warnings. But still untill there is enough cases to do this where zippo and crash have not been provoked then i don't think they should be banned based on the arguments you just presented.
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well said tom, i totally agree.
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OK, bottom line here.
Zippo can be annoying, there's no doubt about it. However, as Chicken23 pointed out, he has not cheated in the league. Zippo will therefore not be banned from the leagues and will be able to play league games, both singles and clanners. This includes playoffs.
We are, however, giving him a temporary forum ban. About 2 weeks should be enough. Regarding the playoff arrangement thread in the case of DoH, crash will have to post.
That said, Zippo is not the only one at fault. Numerous people have provoked zippo. Notable examples are Free and nino. Both players get a warning. We do not want to see this from you guys anymore, nor from anyone else.
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And so it begins... :[
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I can't be bothered with this pointless and endless debate of opinions.
We are both entitled to our opinions, and cannot come to an agreement Tom, I will answer each of your quotes as quick as I can:
I am the type of person that does not let people insult me, if you are ok with people insulting you, or you can handle it differently, that is your choice, I don't like people disrespecting me, and I will always do something about it.
I honestly think if someone was REALLY REALLY annoying you, to the point it is affecting the fun you are having in a pub, you WOULD change pubs or try and get something done about it, the point is, you would not leave it alone, I know you Tom, you wouldn't let it continue the way it is, something would happen, whether you get into a fight with the guy, whether he leaves, you leave doesn't matter, the point is there would be a reaction and I honestly think you would be lying if you said otherwise.
And yes, I think I should have had a forum ban for some of the things I said, as should you, avi, jeff, nino etc, we all should have, I can accept this because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, if they are not, and they complain moan and cause MORE trouble through being banned, it just goes to show they can't handle the fact they are acting wrong according to the rules that got them the punishment in the 1st place.
What I said about this is perfectly natural and correct, there are alot of places in the world where if you disrespect and insult someone the way zippo does, it will get you stabbed shot or possibly worse, this is a fact, your opinion to ignore this is your choice, it's life, it's the world, get used to it.
Who cares if it provokes them and makes matter worse? Matters wouldn't get worse if it was done in the 1st place which I believe it should, I play ALOT of other games online actively and I am in guilds and leagues etc with forums like this, and NONE of them put up with anything even close to this much crap, WA is a small and soft community, my point here is, why the hell should we STILL have to put up with people like this after 11 years?
I used my words very carefully with this statement and you haven't even took that into consideration, if you can't be bothered to read my words specifically then I won't bother with yours, but now come to think of it, I personally DO think you are a bit of a coward the way you are acting saying things like let them act like that, ignore them, lets all get alone, I also think you are being ignorant to the way other people think about this situation, i've already said I respect your opinion, I will not look down on you, you will still be my mate, I just think you care too much about how people look at you, if you were to look at yourself, you are having a go at me, because I feel they should be banned, and I am stating my opinion, trying to defend justice here, zippo/crash are the ones who have done most of the bad stuff and the worst of it, yet you stick up for them? And don't say you are not because you are, even if you are not intending to...
You obviously have not read what I have said properly and PLEASE don't try and say you have cuz you have just proved it with this: "So yea, now that saying it doesnt directly effect me after calling me a coward your trying to show how its relative." Even if you read it you obviously do not understand it, because I was referring the way they behave not directly affecting you, not the things I said as an example, to me this is a case of you seeing what you want to see.
Again, you are not fully understanding what it is that I am saying, it IS the same train of thought, not for the actions being made, ie, Raping someone, Mugging someone, Bullying someone or harassing them, acting like a complete and utter evil person, it is the person who witnesses this who shares the same train of thought, for whatever reason, they are too scared, they don't have the guts, they are too simple minded, they don't care, they are not willing to take action for something that is obviously a bad thing and that is what you are doing, you would rather just let Zippo and crash continue to harass people and keep causing trouble, than actually do something about it and try to sort it out, this is what I refer to as being cowardly and selfish, and I totally think you are acting like this right now, I didn't say this is what you are all the time, and I didn't say "pussy" but right now you are showing signs of it, it doesn't mean I don't respect you or anything, so stop thinking things that I haven't directly and specifically or even technically said.
Also on a side note, if you steal something, whether it be stationary from work, or a car, it is STILL STEALING, you can get sacked for stealing at work, grazing also, it is STILL WRONG, and you should STILL BE PUNISHED for it if you get caught, I have stole stuff before from jobs, I fully understand it is wrong and if I had been caught I would fully accept the consequences for my actions, Zippo/Crash have been caught red handed on multiple occasions and yet they go unpunished, it just isn't fair, no matter what your opinion is.
Tom, let's just agree to disagree, there is NOTHING we can both say to come to an agreement on this issue, you have your opinion, and I have my opinion, which I honestly think neither of us are wrong, or right, because the issues we talk about all depends on personal feelings and opinions, and nothing can be proven, however if you continue to post, so will I, because I am persistent enough in the things I believe in.
Lol @ "as quick as I can" <--- That was a pointless statement if I ever made one haha...
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iam with u too komo, nice post. <3
edit: jeff and avi xD ae komo.
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You must have posted while I was posting D1 - I think the action you took is appropriate and spot on, well done and thank you :)
Hopefully they learn from this.
Also, at no point did I say they deserved to be banned from playing altogether lol, that's impossible anyway, a forum ban is perfect.
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I am man enough to admit when I am wrong
Then how about doing it once in a while?
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I have done on many occasions where 100% proved wrong.
There is a difference between being proved wrong, and someone having a different opinion, unless facts are shoved in my face, it doesn't mean I am wrong.
The same could be said for you, by the way.
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edit: jeff and avi xD ae komo.
Oops lol, my bad, I meant avi, didn't even notice I had typed Jeff at all :O
My apologies haha.
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i dont really think its fair that nino and free were awarded a warning, and i was not... but ok.. whatever, i will accept this, and move on.
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I'll make a "warn Avi" thread.. xD
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start a poll please. :-*
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Jeff, you didn't get a warning because we all know you will apologise to the mods in a very "Special" way ;)
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i doubt the mods will accept his bum tho, but u r right komo.
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I am the type of person that does not let people insult me, if you are ok with people insulting you, or you can handle it differently, that is your choice, I don't like people disrespecting me, and I will always do something about it.
I can handle it differently and that was my point. Thats why some people who play here dont care how zippo and crash act because it doesnt bother them. They handle it differently. So why should they get banned because YOU have to do something about it?
I honestly think if someone was REALLY REALLY annoying you, to the point it is affecting the fun you are having in a pub, you WOULD change pubs or try and get something done about it, the point is, you would not leave it alone, I know you Tom, you wouldn't let it continue the way it is, something would happen, whether you get into a fight with the guy, whether he leaves, you leave doesn't matter, the point is there would be a reaction and I honestly think you would be lying if you said otherwise.
Agreed. Of course i would do something to change something that bothered me. Thats why im here posting. It bothers me that you think your right and you thought zippo and crash should of been banned from league games due to their behaviour.
And yes, I think I should have had a forum ban for some of the things I said, as should you, avi, jeff, nino etc, we all should have, I can accept this because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, if they are not, and they complain moan and cause MORE trouble through being banned, it just goes to show they can't handle the fact they are acting wrong according to the rules that got them the punishment in the 1st place.
Agreed. Forum ban seems appropiate but you were orginally saying they should get league bans.
What I said about this is perfectly natural and correct, there are alot of places in the world where if you disrespect and insult someone the way zippo does, it will get you stabbed shot or possibly worse, this is a fact, your opinion to ignore this is your choice, it's life, it's the world, get used to it.
Its a worms league. He is not going to get shot or worse here. Hes disprectful and he got the appriotate penlties, a bad repuation and even a forum ban. I was debating about the relevence of you backing up your argument with something i found completely out of context. I can't deny that zippo would not get f@#!ed over if he acted like that in certain places in this world. But i doubt he even would act like that in real life. But why should TuS create a harsher environment? To control his behaviour. Yes i see what your saying but sometimes that does not always work. Lets see how he acts with this ban and see if things improve?
I used my words very carefully with this statement and you haven't even took that into consideration, if you can't be bothered to read my words specifically then I won't bother with yours, but now come to think of it, I personally DO think you are a bit of a coward the way you are acting saying things like let them act like that, ignore them, lets all get alone, I also think you are being ignorant to the way other people think about this situation, i've already said I respect your opinion, I will not look down on you, you will still be my mate, I just think you care too much about how people look at you, if you were to look at yourself, you are having a go at me, because I feel they should be banned, and I am stating my opinion, trying to defend justice here, zippo/crash are the ones who have done most of the bad stuff and the worst of it, yet you stick up for them? And don't say you are not because you are, even if you are not intending to...
Of course im sticking up for them! Im trying to protect what banning them would represent. Banning them after everyone demanded it would of be a disaster. Just like the poll avirex made and your posts suggesting a full league ban. Im don't deny they are idiots but i don't beleive the opinons of a handful of wormers who dislike them is enough to get someone banned from a league. Im sticking up for their right to play leauge games and have fun. Could you imagine how much i would be sticking up for people who i considered my friends if they were looking at bans aswell? Thats what i did with ropa over at FB and it got me into loads of fights with kiros. Hell he even held a big enough grudge against me for years to repeatively hack the the worm leagues i was admin on.
In those leagues i had the exact same opinion there. Me and anubis even said how we would not want people to ever get banned from AL. That principle went over to xtc aswell. So now tell me how sticking up for people who i don't even respect is being a coward? I don't see alot of cowardacy in that. Im here, arguing with you publicly that they did not deserve a league ban.
You would rather just let Zippo and crash continue to harass people and keep causing trouble, than actually do something about it and try to sort it out, this is what I refer to as being cowardly and selfish, and I totally think you are acting like this right now, I didn't say this is what you are all the time, and I didn't say "pussy" but right now you are showing signs of it, it doesn't mean I don't respect you or anything, so stop thinking things that I haven't directly and specifically or even technically said.
I would not rather just let zippo and crash continue to harash people, i was disagreeing that a league ban was the correct action. I have no problem with the forum ban that darkone and MI have decided to show. That is fiar to me. My point also was that those crimes you listed were so different that you do not have the same mindset with regards to each one. Opinions change due to different crimes and so does justice. Thats how you get different senestences right? Because crimes are situational. Just because it does not bother me seeing zippo insult someone does not mean i would sit there and watch some thugs mug an old woman and that is what it felt like you were suggesting of my personalilty. You said i struck you as the type of person to just not do anything about it just because of what you read from my posts!? How can you make that judgement about someone? I came here to argue you komo because what you were doing pissed me off. I did not just sit there and let you bully people with your opinions like you have previously done on this league. I don't see that as being a coward or selfish.
Also on a side note, if you steal something, whether it be stationary from work, or a car, it is STILL STEALING, you can get sacked for stealing at work, grazing also, it is STILL WRONG, and you should STILL BE PUNISHED for it if you get caught, I have stole stuff before from jobs, I fully understand it is wrong and if I had been caught I would fully accept the consequences for my actions, Zippo/Crash have been caught red handed on multiple occasions and yet they go unpunished, it just isn't fair, no matter what your opinion is.
I agree. Once against i was not saying that shouldn't go unpunished i was saying they don't deserve a total league ban. Stealing bigger things has bigger consequences, just like reporting fake wins or creating an allais in this league would probably result in a stricter ban than attitude and sportsmanship problems.
Tom, let's just agree to disagree, there is NOTHING we can both say to come to an agreement on this issue, you have your opinion, and I have my opinion, which I honestly think neither of us are wrong, or right, because the issues we talk about all depends on personal feelings and opinions, and nothing can be proven, however if you continue to post, so will I, because I am persistent enough in the things I believe in.
I agree. Saying if you countine to post you will too does not scare and i felt it necessary to post here even though i avoided doing so for some time because i knew what your reaction would be. I think sometimes you are the most stubborn person to grace these forums and that frustrated me. I have just as much right to express my opinion as you do. So here i am saying how i disagreed with you. Theres nothing wrong with that and there is nothing wrong with your replies either. We are both trying to show eachother our views and trying to get eachother to look at something from a different prespective. As i mentioned you bully people with your opinions and you always have to have the last word. You had to have the last word with avi with the w2roper topic. The arguments with CF and all that stuff about clan playoffs and what not. I just hope you can be abit more openminded and understand that there are always two sides to an argument.
I think maybe you should of taken some time to read my posts too. Because as ive already mentioned with this one about zippo, we both agree that a forum ban is approitate. you wanted more, i was saying it shouldnt be more. I think whats happened here is fair. So i don't see the problem that me and you should have with this topic anymore.
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Enough said here, we agree that we have our own perspective on things, and I am glad you are mature enough to realise this.
1 thing though, I am not a bully, I express my views on whatever it is, just like anyone else, it might seem like a stubborn manner to you, and vice versa as you look stubborn to me, but those are just exaggerations, I wouldn't say stubborn, i'd say, passionate towards an opinion, I just take it further than most would because I am that passionate about it, and anything else in my life, I NEVER give up on anything I am interested in, that, is what makes me successful in most cases, yes I get it wrong sometimes, but you will never know unless you try, it's progression, sometimes you have to make your case even if the odds are extremely challenging.
Anyway, I never bullied anyone, because each and every thread only lasted a week at the most, and at the end of it, for example, when a decision was made, I never posted again did I? I am only posting now because you mentioned that I bully people. and if you are talking in regards to Zippo, how is standing up to someone who kind of in a way bullies everyone else? I really hope you take this statement back please, and I apologise for calling you cowardly etc.
I done what I had to do, the outcome of this thread proves otherwise, I am 99% confident Zippo would not have even received a forum ban if not for some of the powerful things that I said and produced, and in turn also, the things you said, because both sides of this debate provided extremely powerful points and truth to the matter, the outcome was a fair punishment that left everyone happy, it should always be like this.
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I agree. And your not a bully. Im no coward. I aplogise for saying that
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Good stuff :)
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So let me get this straight?
Me and Nino got a warning but Zippo didn't?
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Zippo got a temporary Forums ban I think. Thats kinda more then a warning ;d
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Free, you could have at least read all our posts mate...
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tbh, i dont think anyone read all your posts, except for you and chicken... they are all long and tediace ( spelling :) )
the bits that i did read, b4 just scanning and jumping to the next long ass post... i would have to agree with both.
i dont think zippo needs to be banned from league.. but a ban from forums is perfect.. chicken made a good point, each crime is situational, like, if u steal a candy bar, u will not go to jail... if u steal a car, u probably will... but what he failed to mention after that good point is....
when you steal a candy bar, u get a fine.... when u steal a candy bar again, u get a probation... when u steal a candy bar again, u are put on house arrest.... when u steal a candy bar again, they are sick and tired of u stealing the god damn, mother f@#!ing, stupid shit, cock sucking f@#!in candy bar... get ur ass in the big house...
i feel as if zippo stole 1 too many candy bars... but lets see if the forum ban changes his attitude a bit.
ps: i was willing to let it go previously, that nino and free got a warning and i did not.. but that was b4 i see the big green sexy dot.. im really kinda annoyed by this.. i feel i deserve one..
MI: can i please have a warning?
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rofl avi, at least i read them too!xd
and yea that forum ban sounds better than good imo
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Yeah, Free and Nino are the "bad boys" that Alexandra Burke keeps singing about...
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Both, Chicken and Komo are right. In a different forum/community w/e you would be both satisfied. Tom could ignore people that have a bad behavior because, well, within 2-3 hours such people would be banned from the forums anyway. Komo could complain about someone that is insulting other people and within 2-3 hours they would be banned. Yes in other communities and forums you get banned for something like this easily. This forum/community is a special place that's why it isn't handled like any other place would do with this situation. Even such kinds of threads would be closed shortly and the one opening this thread would be warned, or ,because this is not the first thread, banned.
The problem is, that if you once have it to this point you can't go back. Or you will be called biased (look at FB). If you don't punish people for bad behavior in the very first place ( I am sure there were similar or worse situations months ago) it will go out of hand and the whole bad behavior thing is getting out of control. This discussion shouldn't even be held.
Let me take this straight to the owner/mods to this league:
Is it allowed to insult, have bad sportsmanship in the league? (It does NOT matter who started to insult, or cause the insults months/years ago) If player 1 first gets insulted by player 2 and then player 1 insults back: warn/bann both. That is how you should handle this, make clear guidelines.
Because right now nobody knows what is really going on, some may think Zippo and nino/free got warned/forum banned because the pressure of the community put on you caused you to react. But in my honest opinion, that is totally wrong. Have you got no rules set up for forum behavior or in-game behavior? If not, do it immediately. If you decide to say, well people should handle it themselves because we don't want to be like league XY, well why do you care about a past league that has died? This is your league, make it clear to everyone and whoever can't adapt to that, well upper right is the 'x' button.
Just my opinion that I have gathered through various other leagues/forums/communities. :)
P.S.: I highly doubt it is possible to make the ultimate site for everyone. :p
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i would post something. but i wont, cos i already have a warn, iam afraid :(
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f@#! these warnings! lets have a ban!! ::)