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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Sbaffo on April 17, 2024, 07:20 PM
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Just do it already, bng with his nonexistent rules and shit has bored the hell out of everyone, it's like the scheme that causes the most complaints every league game, enough of it.
We can also discuss how the new scheme should be, e.g. we could remove all those things like auto reaim and aim lock but keep the 9 sec fuse, express your opinion here, even through racist epithets if you want to
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I've voted yes, I was going to do this myself soon but it's actually nice that someone else did it on their own accord!
So, my vote would go towards the NrBnG K scheme, though I'm not fussed if we lose the auto-reaim, anti-power, etc. I'd like to keep 9s though, it opens up nice possibilities.
With NrBnG as well, we would see the maps evolve to open up the bottom kind of as wel. You know how you make a BnG map with a Team17 cavern map? Delete top & fill bottom, well it's the same you just don't fill bottom. Since darksiding is allowed and sitters, it gives alternative tactics as well, you could hide down bottom, but then it's easy to throw 5s+ sitters to open up.
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sbaffo adora l´ananas sulla pizza
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i found this schemme very fun actually
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sbaffo adora l´ananas sulla pizza
Pure tu madre a pecora
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BnG actually need more rules, but strict ones (a2b league).
No rules scheme might be fun, sure.. but, why change it for the league? Let's change ttrr into ldet, batty thing too then. Remove all competitivity out of every scheme and let's just bounce worms around however we want. You'd probably be first to get bored of that kind of league, Sbaffo. But sure, let's try it out.
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You don’t see the logic here, schemes like ttrr/roper/wxw have few but precise rules, while bng has too many rules, some of them are just straight up arbitrary (they’re not written anywhere, but you have to abide them): You can use 4 sec because rules allow it, but then people call you lame, you can’t decide if a nade is a sitter coz you have to wait for the game to end and then check the replay. Darkside rule is not clear, the straight zook rule is not clear as well. All these rules are arbitrary and make bng a boring scheme, these rules make 0 sense. Removing all these rules somehow makes the scheme more competitive and it even opens to new surprising strats.
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I've voted yes, I was going to do this myself soon but it's actually nice that someone else did it on their own accord!
So, my vote would go towards the NrBnG K scheme, though I'm not fussed if we lose the auto-reaim, anti-power, etc. I'd like to keep 9s though, it opens up nice possibilities.
With NrBnG as well, we would see the maps evolve to open up the bottom kind of as wel. You know how you make a BnG map with a Team17 cavern map? Delete top & fill bottom, well it's the same you just don't fill bottom. Since darksiding is allowed and sitters, it gives alternative tactics as well, you could hide down bottom, but then it's easy to throw 5s+ sitters to open up.
definitely not that scheme, most people hate auto reaim and anti power, also i can think of annoying things happening with teleporting on peoples heads, but so far its just been fun. 9 sec fuses are good too.
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Personally, if you remove rules from BNG i will not play it in any league, Fuse increase to do wacky shots sure. no re-aim, sure - things i think must be carried over is no sitters and distance between players.
Rollers are fine , always have been and crying about them is retarded.
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definitely not that scheme, most people hate auto reaim and anti power, also i can think of annoying things happening with teleporting on peoples heads, but so far its just been fun. 9 sec fuses are good too.
I haven't seen 1 single person complain about them, until now, which is you. Which makes sense because you're the only one who keeps forgetting about them in matches lmao! Or actually KRD mentioned he wasn't keen on them either, but he would take issue with anything BnG related so that doesn't count lol. :D
Personally, if you remove rules from BNG i will not play it in any league,
I don't think individual threats of quitting are going to do much good at this stage, clearly more people want a big change to BnG and it's happening sooner or later. Even I'm fed up with the current stupidity that is Classic BnG... I was more against it than anyone ever, I'm the one who fought against these changes time and time again... This is where BnG is headed in order to be fun and liked again by more than less.
Granted there are a few people who aren't keen on this change, but generally speaking you always get a minority against changes, regardless of what the change is. But! I think they will improve the Leagues for every scheme...
As in, each scheme has a mandatory standard scheme, for BnG it could be NrBnG, then however, players can choose to agree on a different variation... So they could agree to play TUS Classic scheme/rules, a2b scheme/rules or BnG Akimbo scheme/rules.
For Roper, you've got TUS Classic, but players could agree on ZaR or the W2 variant. For Big RR players could use the standard, then agree to Big Batty RR or Big Rubber RR. Hysteria could choose to play with no piling allowed, but all of these has a standard in case players cannot agree.
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Wont even vote coz im not an idiot, coglione.
Basically lets remove all rules from all schemes, coz why not, more entertaining!!!!111!11
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If the majority wants a no rule variant, it might be better to start a new poll asking what kind of NrBnG they want (like no rules at all, or with some rules like no invading and no anti full power).
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Wont even vote coz im not an idiot, coglione.
Basically lets remove all rules from all schemes, coz why not, more entertaining!!!!111!11
Sempre scemo rimani! :D
I know the idea of removing rules from bng sound like a drastic change but trust me, the gameplay doesn't change that much;
if you don't like getting sitter'd or rollered just pick a good hide instead of camping in the same stupid hole
if you're worried about players teleporting on you just counter their teleport with a better teleport
if you're worried about players darksiding on the bottom of the map, just teleport near them and dig an hole by throwing some grenades
Lastly i want it to become the main scheme, not the variant, old bng has to go or at least become a variant of itself, don't wanna hear people crying over some 4 sec roller or shit like that, i'm just tired about it. I don't know why some people expect to play a2b in this league... it's like asking to play wxw/roper and force your opponent to do tricks just because you don't think his turn was stiliysh enough, just stop it already, nobody cares about your 5 lg max bounce bank shot jesus christ omg just throw some f@#!ing nades
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I haven't seen 1 single person complain about them, until now, which is you. Which makes sense because you're the only one who keeps forgetting about them in matches lmao! Or actually KRD mentioned he wasn't keen on them either, but he would take issue with anything BnG related so that doesn't count lol. :D
I don't think individual threats of quitting are going to do much good at this stage, clearly more people want a big change to BnG and it's happening sooner or later. Even I'm fed up with the current stupidity that is Classic BnG... I was more against it than anyone ever, I'm the one who fought against these changes time and time again... This is where BnG is headed in order to be fun and liked again by more than less.
Granted there are a few people who aren't keen on this change, but generally speaking you always get a minority against changes, regardless of what the change is. But! I think they will improve the Leagues for every scheme...
As in, each scheme has a mandatory standard scheme, for BnG it could be NrBnG, then however, players can choose to agree on a different variation... So they could agree to play TUS Classic scheme/rules, a2b scheme/rules or BnG Akimbo scheme/rules.
For Roper, you've got TUS Classic, but players could agree on ZaR or the W2 variant. For Big RR players could use the standard, then agree to Big Batty RR or Big Rubber RR. Hysteria could choose to play with no piling allowed, but all of these has a standard in case players cannot agree.
"I don't think individual threats"
What are you even talking about, i shared my opinion on a topic asking for opinions.... on a message board .. i even started my reply with "personally" to ensure it's taken as my opinion. it's not in any way a threat. i really can see why this community is dying and it's you. for the three months I've been back reading this forum you self insert and alienate anyone who doesn't share your opinions. don't bother replying to this, i won't read it. i appreciate your passion and commitment to this game but for someones who spend his life typing on message boards you're considerably bad at actually talking to people. you'll never see me on this site again.
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Sempre scemo rimani! :D
Grz, anche noi ti amiamo :3
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I actually agree with Sbaffo lol.
Look, we've had 25 years of "oldschool" BnG... Now, don't get me wrong, I really like the Classic TUS scheme & rules and actually prefer it that way but look around... So many good players and good people really have valid issues with BnG right now and it's all to do with the rules both written and unwritten.
Rollers are even legal but people still get trashed for using them.
People keep asking why they can't throw 5s grenades without low gravity and/or maximum bounce.
What is even the point of having to re-aim if people can count shots anyway with individual notches?
Using 4s full power and lots of wind gets complaints as well as repeating shots.
The darksiding rule ALWAYS confuses people who previously didn't know about it:
No darksiding
*Darksiding is hiding your worm in a position where it's impossible for your opponent(s) to hit you with a grenade and at the same time impossible for you to hit your opponent(s) with a grenade. Simply teleport/move to other position.
Like Deadcode said in the recent Playoff BnG match versus oldsock... How do you know if it's impossible without using TA to check? The rules as they are mean that even a 1hp shot means it's a valid hide.
Anyway, this is just a vote, it's nothing official yet.
What are you even talking about, i shared my opinion on a topic asking for opinions.... on a message board .. i even started my reply with "personally" to ensure it's taken as my opinion. it's not in any way a threat. i really can see why this community is dying and it's you. for the three months I've been back reading this forum you self insert and alienate anyone who doesn't share your opinions. don't bother replying to this, i won't read it. i appreciate your passion and commitment to this game but for someones who spend his life typing on message boards you're considerably bad at actually talking to people. you'll never see me on this site again.
Lmao Sniper, that's a hell of an overreaction if I've ever seen one. Of course it was taken as your opinion, the point I was trying to make is that it's been said and done before, by myself and others and no decision is ever made based on an individual person saying "If this happens, I'll do this".
How do I even alienate anyone just by getting into forum disagreements? It takes more than just confrontation to make someone really feel alienated. I am not telling anyone they don't deserve to be here or that their opinions are not shared by anyone else... Just because I have an "opinion" to your "opinion" you instantly jump to literally alienating YOURSELF by claming you will never be on this website again.
Sounds like people alienate themselves just fine, they don't need my help lol.
I do get into disagreements quite often here, though all in all I'm still having a lot of fun with a lot of people and doing interesting projects and other stuff.
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so, what now?
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Well, no rules doesn't mean people won't complain about your playstyle (see Hysteria). We could simplify the rulebook though and get rid of "unnecessary" rules. The rule set suggested by KRD is a good base for that process:
Rules
Stay on your half of the map.
*To avoid arguments regarding where the middle is, it can be approximately marked in the map editor before the game with a line or a little hole; example (http://krd.clansfx.co.uk/dump/a253204b02fa3787387b3a01e0cb407a/screen0199.png).
Reaim before every shot.
*Aiming the crosshair all the way up or all the way down before taking your shot is sufficient.
No darksiding.
*Darksiding is hiding your worm in a position where it's impossible for your opponent(s) to hit you with a grenade and at the same time impossible for you to hit your opponent(s) with a grenade.
No sitters.
*Sitters are Grenades that stop moving completely before they explode.
No telecide.
*Teleciding is the act of achieving grave explosion damage on an enemy worm by teleporting your worm above them and having it die from fall damage.
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Well, no rules doesn't mean people won't complain about your playstyle (see Hysteria). We could simplify the rulebook though and get rid of "unnecessary" rules. The rule set suggested by KRD is a good base for that process:
reaim and any hide + shot restriction should be removed imo. you dont have such things in other schemes in this league.
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So, basically, a more detailed poll would be like this:
- TELEPORTS (⚠️Darksiding must be clearly defined⚠️)
- ❌Invading, ❌Darksiding, ❌Telecides.
- ✔️Invading, ❌Darksiding, ❌Telecides.
- ✔️Invading, ❌Darksiding, ✔️Telecides.
- ❌Invading, ✔️Darksiding, ❌Telecides
- ✔️Invading, ✔️Darksiding, ❌Telecides.
- ✔️Invading, ✔️Darksiding, ✔️Telecides.
- REAIMING
- ✔️Reaim.
- ☢️Auto reaim.
- Input > Anti-lock Aim
- RubberWorm > RubberWorm anti-lock aim
- ❌Reaim.
- SITTERS (⚠️Sitters must be clearly defined⚠️)
- BANNED SHOTS (❌ = Banned, ✔️ = Allowed)
- ❌5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ❌1-sec nades, ❌Straight zooks.
- ✔️5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ❌1-sec nades, ❌Straight zooks.
- ❌5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ✔️1-sec nades, ❌Straight zooks.
- ❌5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ❌1-sec nades, ✔️Straight zooks.
- ✔️5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ✔️1-sec nades, ❌Straight zooks.
- ✔️5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ❌1-sec nades, ✔️Straight zooks.
- ❌5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ✔️1-sec nades, ✔️Straight zooks.
- ✔️5-sec, no-LG, min-bounce nades, ✔️1-sec nades, ✔️Straight zooks.
- FUSE
- ANTI-LOCK POWER
- ❌Anti-lock power.
- ✔️Anti-lock power.
- CIRCULAR AIM
- ❌Circular aim.
- ✔️Circular aim.
Let me know if I missed anything.
Edit: Thank you Senator for informing me about other options I forgot.
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Just remove every rule, classic bng has turned really boring right now
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If you aren't going to do pure NrBnG, then just leave it how it is. It has to be absolutely no rules, or you are completely missing the point of NrBnG.
I disagree with Sbaffo saying Classic BnG is boring, I still really enjoy it, though the problem is that too many people complain... The point of pushing no rules BnG is to get rid of the stigma surrounding elitist BnG players over time, so that people can feel comfortable playing any style they want.
It's something that's going to take a while to accept, the implementation isn't going to be completely smooth, but it'll be worth it in the long run.
Worst comes to worst... Make NrBnG the standard, and let players play a2b/TUS Classic/BnG Akimbo if they want an alternative. But PO MUST be played with the official scheme.