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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Triad on February 03, 2017, 01:57 PM
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If you vote No, or disagree with one thing, please share your thoughts so we can elaborate this idea to make it something everyone can agree.
We already kinda hijacked Hysteria thread (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/should-hysteria-be-moved-to-the-free-league-30491/165/) with new free league idea, some people seem to interested with the idea so I decided to start a separate poll.
Suggested changes
* Removing unpopular schemes and lowering total amount of schemes to 8. Possible 8 schemes is given below.
* Best of 7 playoffs
* 60 days long seasons instead 90.
* Resetting overall stats just like Classic league(and keep them archived like old Classic League overall), makes sense considering most of the free league schemes would be gone.
8 schemes of new Free League
1- Darts: Even though Darts added to Free League later on, still it's the most played Free League scheme. It is luck-free, easy to learn and hard to master perfect non-Classic scheme.
2- Big RR: A luck-free racing scheme. Most popular rope scheme on WormNET after Shopper and WxW.
3- Aerial: Hysteria like scheme added to Free League later on like Darts. Really popular, even had its own league with Hysteria(HAL). But I suggest to remove crate drops to make it more professional.
4- Abnormal: Also added later on to Free League. Scheme is almost identical to Intermediate with one twist: You kill your own worms. (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/na3WW1UB48Q/maxresdefault.jpg) Most newbies know Intermediate, so Abnormal might be an interesting concept for them.
5- Intermediate: Everybody knows this scheme. It is quite popular on Free League too.
6- Kaos: A really unorthodox ground scheme. Rubberworm features it uses can do great job to lure new players. Komo argued because it requires you to install Rubberworm and League should be as simple as possible for newcomers, but imo if you discovered this site and want to participate the leagues, installing Rubberworm shouldn't be a problem.
7- Bungee Race: Another racing scheme. It was fairly popular and has more than enough maps(only HusH made at least 50 maps) to avoid map whoring.
8- Boom Race: Last scheme of the list. Just like Bungee it is more popular than other racing schemes and the idea racing to finish by shooting yourself with various weapons is definitely an interesting concept for new players.
Why x scheme excluded? I am triggered.
Mole Shopper: I was planning to add it because it seemed popular on stats, but when I checked overall (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/free-standings/Mole_Shopper/?s=overall) I realized it was used by people who solely picks Mole and/or people who played it is now inactive.
Others: At least one of these applies:
- Big luck factor
- Low amount of dedicated maps which leads to map whoring
- Not popular enough
Don't worry, excluded schemes can still gather players via Cups, Tournaments etc.
Why 8 schemes? Why not more?
Reason I wanted 8 schemes is to make Free as competitive and compact as possible. In a Bo7 4:3 PO game, 7 out of 8 would be played. If you have a lot scheme, you'll stick with your favorite ones and ignore other schemes just like currently on TFL. Not to mention some schemes has huge luck factor and allows map whoring because low amount of dedicated maps, a great example would be Plop War. That's why having 8 schemes might motivate players to master all Free schemes and it will make Free a more credible and competitive league. Also fewer schemes might be better for newcomers because there will be less schemes they'll have to learn.
Sorry if I made any typo or grammar mistakes.
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Voted no cause IMO better included in normal league, as 'misc' category.
Also share Komo's opinion on Kaos.
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If opposition against Kaos is strong, I think we can agree on another scheme. Let's see if there are more people shares the same opinion first.
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Voted no.
Don't like 5/8 schemes here. But it's not the main reason.
Just think JPR and Golf belongs to Free league.
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Voted no.
Don't like 5/8 schemes here. But it's not the main reason.
Just think JPR and Golf belongs to Free league.
I don't like every schemes here much, such as Aerial, Intermediate, Kaos, Boom Race but those are enjoyed by community according to stats so I prefer not to stand on way. A change is necessary otherwise league will get more inactive and eventually get disabled.
I already explained why I left out those schemes. If we allow not so popular schemes, then people will ask why not allow some other unpopular schemes and you'll end up with something like current Free League. Those schemes can still be played on Cups and Tournaments just fine.
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No, few reasons.
As I said, you shouldn't have to install an extra(unsupported) game feature to participate in a League, if anybody doesn't wish to install rubberworm for whatever reason this instantly makes them an avoider, and that's unfair. I understand it's easy to install rubberworm, that isn't enough of a reason for someone to want to install it, some people like playing games without mods, and it's unfair to force them to.
I don't like the choice of schemes, swap Kaos, and perhaps.
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No, few reasons.
As I said, you shouldn't have to install an extra(unsupported) game feature to participate in a League, if anybody doesn't wish to install rubberworm for whatever reason this instantly makes them an avoider, and that's unfair. I understand it's easy to install rubberworm, that isn't enough of a reason for someone to want to install it, some people like playing games without mods, and it's unfair to force them to.
I don't like the choice of schemes, swap Kaos, and perhaps.
But why nobody complained about this in previous seasons of Free League? Not to mention Kaos is Top 3 most played scheme of last 3 season.
Again, if a lot people don't want Kaos and replace it with another scheme, I will support, too. But until there's a better option given, I support Kaos.
This is good tho, seems like even in worst case, there'll be minimal changes be made like removing few schemes.
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Add DA Bungee Shoppah!!!!!!111!!!11111ONE11!!!!11112
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But why nobody complained about this in previous seasons of Free League? Not to mention Kaos is Top 3 most played scheme of last 3 season.
Again, if a lot people don't want Kaos and replace it with another scheme, I will support, too. But until there's a better option given, I support Kaos.
This is good tho, seems like even in worst case, there'll be minimal changes be made like removing few schemes.
I don't know if anyone complained about it before, some people may have, they just never complained about it here on forums. I complained about it, it's also why I don't play Kaos. I can't speak for anyone else but i'm pretty sure if Kaos was possible with standard WA it would be even more popular. The sooner they implement rubberworm merged with standard WA, the better.
Having to install Rubberworm may be one of the reasons some people don't play TFL, as well as the schemes they find incredibly boring/time consuming.
Besides, isn't point here to introduce a stripped down version of TFL people will actually play a lot? Getting rid of the longest/most boring schemes in the process.
^^ What I mean by that is, many people could play TRL before and ignore Kaos because of the huge list of schemes, people were more friendly in TFL and would be ok if someone didn't want to play rubber scheme, but if it becomes very popular, shorter list of schemes, it's kinda lame if you avoid schemes, as I remember playing TFL few times before, Darts, BoomRace, etc, and other guy was like np cuz I didn't want Kaos cuz didn't have Rubberworm.
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Alright, if more people can state same here, I guess we can decide another 8th scheme?
So far people opposed:
* Kaos scheme
* Some of the schemes being excluded.
So should I assume everyone agree on:
* Other 7 schemes are fine.
* Bo7 PO
* League should be 60 days long again.
* Remove crates from Aerial.
* Overall reset
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Just add ZAR already.
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If you make playoffs best of 7, you may need to play a PO series in 2 sessions because some of the schemes are Bo3.
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Vote no to kaos? Wtf, it's one of the popular free league schemes
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Triad, I like that you're showing interest for changing whole league and as a player appreciating it. But let's be honest - will you even play TFL actively? In last 10 seasons (900 days!?) you played 50-60 games.
Kradie - you haven't been participating in it at all, but trying to push ZAR Roper whenever you get a chance.
Komo is also proposing stuff, but he really doesn't give a f@#! what league will offer in the future. He was loudest for Classic reset and promised activity, but I didn't saw him in even one 1v1 league game ever since it happened. (?)
Do not think I want all schemes to suit my needs! Probably biggest noob and hater of Drown Syndrome, but want it to be part of TFL, cause it's one of the most skill based schemes that W:A is offering atm.
We all like to give opinion on every subject that's been going on at forums and it's positive thing, but wouldn't be right to pay more attention on guys that are actually keeping it alive all these seasons? Where's Hurz, Husk, Walrus, Snipe..? Waiting for your thoughts.
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Add DA Bungee Shoppah!!!!!!111!!!11111ONE11!!!!11112
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Triad, I like that you're showing interest for changing whole league and as a player appreciating it. But let's be honest - will you even play TFL actively? In last 10 seasons (900 days!?) you played 50-60 games.
I will start playing actively on a new TFL. The reason why I suggest changes is because I want a league where there's actually competition. Currently TFL is almost like a server to find good players to play non-Classic funners. And that's why eventually I stopped playing TFL actively.
Edit 1: just realized between 2014-2016 I was preparing for University and I was generally inactive.
Do not think I want all schemes to suit my needs! Probably biggest noob and hater of Drown Syndrome, but want it to be part of TFL, cause it's one of the most skill based schemes that W:A is offering atm.
Yes I understand. I don't know how we can introduce new schemes to TFL. Maybe something like if x scheme gets played lower than certain amount, MI could open a poll like picking TRL scheme polls so people can decide new scheme.
We all like to give opinion on every subject that's been going on at forums and it's positive thing, but wouldn't be right to pay more attention on guys that are actually keeping it alive all these seasons? Where's Hurz, Husk, Walrus, Snipe..? Waiting for your thoughts.
Only those people can force changes anyway. I don't think MI will care if someone who never actively played TRL says something.
Vote no to kaos? Wtf, it's one of the popular free league schemes
Kaos probably will stay. I don't see anyone opposing beside HHC and Komo, and don't recall them being active on TFL.
Edit 2:
If you make playoffs best of 7, you may need to play a PO series in 2 sessions because some of the schemes are Bo3.
Unlikely. Abnormal and Darts for example usually played Bo3 but each round of it takes 5-7 mins. Racing schemes are fast too if you won't pick an extra hard map.
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Vote no to kaos? Wtf, it's one of the popular free league schemes
Popularity is irrelevant, for why voted no at least.
I should say also, I think Kaos looks cool, I enjoy watching it, but tbh it's not the kind of scheme I enjoy playing for Leagues, I understand there is a lot of skill to it, but the whole 'your actions depend on your crates/weapons you get' thing ruin it for me, getting extremely lucky based on getting the right weapons at the right time, that completely ruins a strategic scheme for me, while i'll admit it's incredibly fun :D
It's different to shopper because it's just 1 shot per turn and in Kaos 5 weapons in a row at the right time can be devastating to another 5 weapons in a row that aren't so useful, unlike shopper/wxw where most turns are so close to damage done, worm moved.
@Sensei - If I had time to play 1v1 League, I would, I have work, music & learning programming, I don't have time to become addicted to 1v1 League, sorry.
I did however contribute to activity by creating a new clan with some players who weren't playing Clanners before, and trying to recruit more members to increase this.
(It wasn't just for singles, you know...)
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For a guy with no time, you sure make time to post in every single thread...
It's like your the guy who always has to find a reason to dispute things, no matter how small the reasoning is.. "I vote no, because you should not need to download any programs to enhance the game to play them" and no matter how little you are even involved in the situations.
Komo, you need to make a community just for debating... get your own forums, and just open random topics for intense debate... your first topic can be a debate about gun control...
Call your community "debate team".. hmm nvm, dt is taken.. OK, how about "tdw" the debating worms!
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There is a difference taking couple minutes out to post between doing things on my phone/laptop.
And spending 8+ hours at a time playing League matches.
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Always loved TFL because of the variety it offers, but yah not everybody is like me :-[
You can do what you want with the league, change it anyway you like, but it will never really be active /as youd want it to be. Maybe youd succeed in creating some sort of activity boost, but everybody tends to play classic neway. Can't blame them.
Just accept that people will play this for fun and let it the way it is.
(Personally, with a reset it'd be interesting to start playing again, but that would do much more harm than good neway)
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Always loved TFL because of the variety it offers, but yah not everybody is like me :-[
Agreed, that and it takes more skills than Classic overall.
For example, I enjoy watching every single scheme TFL has to offer, I really enjoyed watching walrus, M3ntal, Xan and others playing 1v1v1v1v1v1 BR thing when I was at M3ntals house last year, I found myself going "I know how to do that!" and "Wish I could try that at this moment" etc, but time on Earth is limited, we all gonna die.
I only have about another 30-60 years to live(maybe less), I assume, so even though I enjoy those things i'll spend my allocated time playing WA doing the few schemes that I enjoy the most, if we lived for like 10000+ years i'd be a master of everything(eventually) lol, I wish I could learn all languages, learn all subjects, play all sports, do everything...
Why can't we have mini BR maps? That take like 5 minutes to complete, or like TTBR maps, that are way shorter and can be completed in like 40-80 seconds? That would be fun as hell! And very skilled :D
And because I can't put my best effort into TFL, or feel happy enough to play other players picks due to this, it's best that I avoid it.
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I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, mostly because we seem to discuss changes to free league at least once or twice a year, and nothing ever happens, so it seems like a pointless argument. However, I have been thinking it over and I'd like to share my ideas for an ideal 8-scheme free league that would attract both classic league players and new players on wormnet.
First of all, I do think free league should be modelled on classic league, with 4 rope schemes and 4 default schemes. I actually think this is essential in order to get a decent number of people playing. I would also reject all 'specialist' schemes (such as bungee race, SSR, etc), anything that basically turns into a free win for the 3 or 4 players who are actually good at them. The learning curve for these games is just too high, and especially these days you can't expect anyone to put the hours in to mastering them. And if the schemes are not being played at their highest level, then what is the point of including them? So I am proposing a balanced league of 4 rope schemes and 4 default schemes, all of which require different skills and can be easily picked up for new players.
My 8 schemes:
Darts - I think this one is pretty obvious. Skill-based scheme, plenty of maps, popular with new players and with a dedicated cult following that will add to the activity of the league. My only problem with it is that it can get a bit map-whorey, so I would recommend making bo3 map-picker mandatory. dS community will remain in charge of approving / rejecting new maps based on their fairness.
Big RR - Don't think anyone is disputing that this should be included, it's a very popular scheme on wormnet for old and new players. I would however eliminate draws by taking the remaining number of seconds in your turn when you hit finish into account.
ZaR Roper - Yes I'm biased but I really think this scheme deserves it's chance in free league. It has one of the largest active communities on tus (way bigger than dS, for example). It's played in AG way more often than than most free league schemes, new players enjoy it and I think it would also attract some of the best ropers from classic league. TFL really needs a good rope/attack scheme to be successful, it's something that is fast-paced and fun and will add something fresh and different to the league.
Regarding fairness: I don't see why people complain about the instant mines, it's the same for both players, avoiding them is part of the challenge. If anything it actually makes it easier to come back when you are behind. And yes you can get some impossible / unlucky crates but no more so than in roper, and navigating these turns is a big part of the strategy of the scheme. Destructible terrain also adds another strategic element, opening up tunnels when you are ahead and so on. Overall I think it's just as skill-based as normal roper, just with a different set of challenges. And in leagues it will be played with 2 worms per player, of course, as in the ZaR cups and tournaments we have run (check the results from these - the best players wins way more often than not).
Wascar - Always been a very successful scheme in WO, seems to be one that a lot of people enjoy and it's totally fair so I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned more for league play in the past. It's a different kind of racing to big RR, much closer to ttrr and requires great skill and concentration.
Intermediate - The original WA scheme should obviously be included. I would also make it bo1 and allow the player who picks the scheme to decide whether it is played on an island or cavern map.
Forts - Kind of a BnG equivalent for free league, I think it's important to have a scheme that rewards these skills as well. Has a decent amount of strategy involved too. People might say that it takes too long but in 1v1 with 3 worms per player I don't really agree that it does. Sudden death could also be moved up to around the 15/20 minute mark. I would also make default-sized maps mandatory unless both players agree.
Aerial - Again, this one is pretty obvious. Very popular scheme that requires different skills. I would personally keep the crates, I think they make it more interesting, though obviously superweapons and x2 damage should be removed. Sudden death is essential too, not sure if it has been officially added to the free league scheme but seems like most players agree that it should be.
Boom Race - I would also be ok with Battle Race instead (although I agree that it can get too map-whorey). Boom race is a fun scheme that is fairly easy to pick up, and one that players can improve on with practice. I also wouldn't mind Kaos or Drown Syndrome as the 8th scheme, but there's no way they should be bo3 because they take far too long. So I think boom race would be my pick for the 8th scheme.
Few other things:
Regarding bo7 playoffs - I wouldn't mind it, but I think if it were to happen then classic league should switch to bo7 too so that the two leagues share the same format. I think bo5 quarter-finals / semi-finals and bo7 final might also be a good solution.
60 day-seasons and resetting overall stats - yes, obviously if any many changes to TFL occur then these should definitely happen.
Make these changes and you will have a fun and fair league that attracts players of all skill-levels. I'm sure activity would be off the hook, there is something there for anyone and none of the boring or isolating schemes that only one or two people are good at. Hope you guys agree.
Spleen out.
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Excellent post spleen, couldn't agree more and it's an even better lineup than the previous one :)
The difference between BR and Boom Race for me is it takes so long to make good maps for BR, you can make boom race maps literally within 2 minutes there and then.
Battle Race has to be tested properly, I watched Husk test a map before, and was incredible, he's possibly G.O.A.T and it still took him quite a while.
I want your proposal so badly now, sound much more fun than Classic :)
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once you master 1 weapon you can compete in 4 out of 8 classic league schemes, if you master 2 weapons you can compete in 6 out of 8.
now you want free league going down the same road? surprise surprise, it will end up as dead as classic league is now, while a few dude enjoy playing their fav schemes.
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Agree with Peja on this one. Don't know why everyone want to limit it to 8 schemes and make a big fuss about it. If money is involved, I would understand. But right now - really don't get it.
You afraid of PO's and scheme picks? Cmon, no one gives a f@#! about that.
Walrus and me played PO's finals few days ago. He was drunk af and I haven't slept for 30 hours. Just turned on skype and enjoyed couple of games. That's what Free is all about.
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Agree with Peja on this one. Don't know why everyone want to limit it to 8 schemes and make a big fuss about it. If money is involved, I would understand. But right now - really don't get it.
We want to limit the schemes because all these schemes appeal to very few players, the whole point is to present a fun, exciting, less elitist mind set of schemes for newer players to get involved with.
The % of WA players who are actually comfortable with all the TFL schemes is very very small, for various reasons.
You afraid of PO's and scheme picks? Cmon, no one gives a f@#! about that.
Walrus and me played PO's finals few days ago. He was drunk af and I haven't slept for 30 hours. Just turned on skype and enjoyed couple of games. That's what Free is all about.
Who is afraid? That's as ridiculous and childish as saying "stop crying" when someone makes a valid complaint.
If you and Walrus are so comfortable getting drunk and playing so casually without sleep, why even bother playing League matches? You can do that without reporting it into a player-hype database.
It's something to laugh about sure, but nothing to be proud of.
The point is to get rid of the least popular schemes, they can be played in special events like Cups/Tournaments/Challenges, you can also play them as often as you want as funners with your friends.
But this League isn't just a League, it's a community, I met one of my closest friends through this game, this game is a huge reason why I am successful, and Leagues have always been that part that bring people together.
By taking a risk like this, we have an opportunity to bring in fresh blood, even though it's painful for me, i'm willing to drop BnG(my favourite scheme ever), for the sake of the community. Wouldn't you be willing to make some small sacrifices to bring in new players and make new friends? Who knows what we could all achieve together.
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You play to get higher points and win, that's the common idea of playing in a league.
Being under the influence of alcohol, drugs and sleep deprivation, is something that should be kept in unofficial games.
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Agreed Kradie, although, it IS fun :D I've done it myself ;D
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That's not really the point of a league though Sensei, it's not meant to just be a piss-around. If you want to get drunk and skype each other you can just play funners.
TFL is pretty much a dead league atm, I'm surprised you even got 4 players to the playoffs this season, and I doubt it will happen next season without the kind of major overhaul that we are talking about. Otherwise there's no point in having it activated if the 3 or 4 players who actually play are not even that interested.
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Who is afraid? That's as ridiculous and childish as saying "stop crying" when someone makes a valid complaint.
Dude. I meant afraid as in: "10-15 schemes is too much and ppl will just pick what they usually play when they're about to play PO's". Try reading it properly.
Limiting league to 8 schemes will just get it more inactive and eventually plenty of guys will stop doing it cause repetivity. If you want to get newcomers around TUS and show them fun/casual side first - they'll be directed to this league.
After they get in Free - they'll figure out "Wtf, this is same shit as classic but without money prizes!"
Obviously my words in previous post were a bit misunderstood when I said Wally and me were f@#!ed up while doing finals, but nvm. I'm getting pretty inactive in W:A anyway, these changes you guys proposing will just help me to stay away from league stuff, so I won't bother you with opinion anymore.
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The fact you actually have to explain and say "I meant afraid as in" just proves YOU f**ked up, not me, if you want to say something then say it, don't tell me to read properly when you can't use the right words to explain what you mean. Ok?
And I knew that anyway, point still stands, it's ridiculous(or at least I think it is).
Your opinion of limiting league is your opinion, I can't argue that, it's right for some and wrong for others, we've both said our reasons why, it's up to other people to do their own research and make up their own minds.
Your words were not misunderstood, I understand every single word you type, let me break it down for you:
Walrus and me played PO's finals few days ago. He was drunk af and I haven't slept for 30 hours. Just turned on skype and enjoyed couple of games. That's what Free is all about.
You and walrus played PO finals a few days ago.
You claim he was drunk.
You claim you hadn't slept for 30 hours.
You claim you "just" turned on skype and enjoyed couple of games.
That is EXACTLY what you wrote, I understand it EXACTLY as you wrote it, if you meant something else, then f**king say something else or at least be man enough to say "sorry, I said that wrong, THIS is what I meant to say", instead of trying to blame the person you are talking to, it's ignorant and will get you nowhere.
I will always give you the time of day, I will always listen to you, but when you try to blame your problems on me, I will retaliate in this manner, remember that please.
Now, this is entirely MY opinion, the way you and walrus treated those finals(if true) is an embarassment to anyone who actually takes TFL seriously and plays seriously, i'm glad you guys had fun, that's the main reason to play WA, but you guys played the final as if it is a piece of sh*t no one cares about, and the way you wrote it looked to me like you - were/are, bragging/proud, about/of - it.
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at least be man enough to say "sorry, I said that wrong, THIS is what I meant to say", instead of trying to blame the person you are talking to, it's ignorant and will get you nowhere.
Hahahah :) You're cute Komito, I like you.
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Sensei, stop talking about money prizes. They were in Classic league just for seasons 40-50. 43 seasons without money prizes ;) Money is not the reason why Classic league has been way more active.
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I know i'm cute, girls tell me this often :)
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Ladies Ladies! I ask all of you to stop being so egotistical! This is not about you, this is all about the sweet and innocent newbies that flourish the WormNET channels! We must focus our attention on their needs and not our needs! We must unite and combine our resources to make something productive! Yapping around like desperate seagulls in a mass herd won't do anyone good. Because taking the entire bread crumb for yourself without taking the liberty to share it with people will not be any victory at all, but only for your own narrow minded agenda. In which feeling self-accomplished by fulfilling your own desires.
So ladies, take a little chill and reflect upon yourself, and find peace and tranquility in midst of chaos. Where you might find reason.
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Very usefull post Kradie, Ill stop being ''egotistical'' the moment you stop pushing a scheme you invented in to a league :-[
Limiting league to 8 schemes will just get it more inactive and eventually plenty of guys will stop doing it cause repetivity. If you want to get newcomers around TUS and show them fun/casual side first - they'll be directed to this league.
This.
That's not really the point of a league though Sensei, it's not meant to just be a piss-around. If you want to get drunk and skype each other you can just play funners.
Agreed, but with the people playing TFL, you cannot really expect it to be a very serious league anyway.
Walrus and me played PO's finals few days ago. He was drunk af and I haven't slept for 30 hours.
Get some sleep bro. Don't let some unimportant final happen when u need sleep bro
If you guys would actually play as much as you'd post we'd have some proper competition :'(
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Why do you think the League would become less active through limiting the number of schemes available to play?
Please elaborate.
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Who the f@#! are you to demand elaborations from ppl? You want your voice to be heard about changing whole concept of a league which you played barely couple of games in 30 seasons that Free exists.
Cut down that wings of yours and join us on the ground buddy.
@senator - remove prizes for couple of seasons and let me know how many games will be played in classic. You're talking about Aorist (it's Croatian word for "past forgotten days")
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@senator - remove prizes for couple of seasons and let me know how many games will be played in classic. You're talking about Aorist (it's Croatian word for "past forgotten days")
The last 3 seasons have not had money prizes in classic league.
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@senator - remove prizes for couple of seasons and let me know how many games will be played in classic. You're talking about Aorist (it's Croatian word for "past forgotten days")
The last 3 seasons have not had money prizes in classic league.
Hm, didn't know that actually. Just saw season's information. Activity dropped for about 50%.
Sounds legit.
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LOL Sensei.
Well to begin with, I never demanded anything, I asked a question then kindly said "Please elaborate". (Why can't you see that? It's right there, clear as daylight... Go check... I'll wait...)
The reason why I asked to elaborate is because the people who are asking for a change, are putting in effort/theory why they want things to change, then people like you/piki say things like "making less schemes won't increase activity", whether it does or does not make a difference in the end, nobody will find out unless it happens, the whole point of a debate is to create arguements for both sides so that people given a choice to vote have some basis to actually cast their vote.
So I am asking those people, to explain themselves, so I can better understand why they think it won't increase activity.
It's not my fault you don't understand English as much as you think you do(I am not even mad at you, or think any less of you as a human), it makes me feel like you can't see past your negative emotions towards me, therefor don't try to understand what I say, or whatever other reason you have for failing to understand what I say.
I don't speak other languages, but I don't try to correct people in other languages lol.
You can swear at me, or call me any name you want, or attack my character, but the fact still stands you keep making wrong assumptions that take our conversation out of context and off topic.
All I am asking is for a fair debate, you can either do that, or be a little b***h about it, your choice, whatever you choose won't make my life worse.
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change topic pls.
new limited league.
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Komo has zero tolerance for people taking posts off topic.
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try count how often you dont refer to topic but attack preposters personally
what im just doing now ofc.
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I sincerely hope avirex was sarcastic there, cause it's the only time he got me laughing in last few weeks.
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First of all, I do think free league should be modelled on classic league, with 4 rope schemes and 4 default schemes. I actually think this is essential in order to get a decent number of people playing.
Well, whole appeal of Free League is it's not like Classic League.
I would also reject all 'specialist' schemes (such as bungee race, SSR, etc), anything that basically turns into a free win for the 3 or 4 players who are actually good at them. The learning curve for these games is just too high, and especially these days you can't expect anyone to put the hours in to mastering them.
TTRR is a specialist scheme too, yet it's played by both pros and average players. Same with Big RR. The specialist wouldn't be a problem with more limited schemes anyway.
About list, it's nice list if your aimed demographic is Classic players. I don't think Free players ever would agree on it.
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Suggested changes
* Removing unpopular schemes and lowering total amount of schemes to 8. Possible 8 schemes is given below.
* Best of 7 playoffs
* 60 days long seasons instead 90.
* Resetting overall stats just like Classic league(and keep them archived like old Classic League overall), makes sense considering most of the free league schemes would be gone.
Well, whole appeal of Free League is it's not like Classic League.
Hey man... Totally aware I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but really starting to lose compass here.
Where you guys heading with this? None of you want to make another Classic league, but all agree to make a blatant copy of mentioned league?
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I meant the 4 rope 4 default scheme idea though. Appeal of Free League is not it has a lot of schemes, but schemes that is not like Classic League.
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So how about Advanced/Free/Entry Leagues?
Advanced would be what Classic already is(perhaps with some changes to make it even more advanced), Entry would be the 8 schemes spleen17 suggested, and Free would be the remaining "misc" schemes people consider different from Classic, the someone "other" schemes.
Personally, I see the similarities between spleen17s proposed Free, but also see the vast differences.
But, this is obviously too upsetting a change for TFL enthusiasts.
It's clear though, we have different groups of players, I myself would focus on Entry, as I am in that stage of life where I am way more a casual player and enjoy organizing events, I prefer making maps, being creative, watching people play, rather than actually competing myself as a hardcore player, but I do still enjoy competing, Entry would be the perfect enviroment for me.
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Why even 8 scheme? Let's go more hardcore and do 1 scheme. TRFL aka:
T U S
R O T A T E D
F R E E
L E A G U E
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you know honestly all leagues except for tus classic singles had to be disabled by now
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TRL was cool but limited to 1 scheme a month feels too limited lol.
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How about bring back TRL but make it three schemes instead of one? Like, the top 3 schemes voted on by the community before each seasons.
Could even make it 30 day seasons, could be fun.
EDIT: limit it to 1 classic league scheme too ofc.
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I like that idea but what if there is a scheme you really hate playing but 2 you really like playing?
Feels like voting would bring the same things perhaps if we had a bunch of schemes and through time went through different combinations that way more would get their favourite lineup.