No Rules BnG - It's the right thing to do:
I was watching the BnG with BLACK vs CF, and I really enjoyed watching that game and reading the chat, franz was right, BnG rules are dumb, TuS BnG is war, I mean, if you aren't playing someone who is throwing 4s nades, you are playing a notcher who doesn't miss low winds and most grenades, or someone who completely sucks because they are too honest to play lame (throw 4s nades, repeat shots etc) or they don't know how to notch, or don't even know what notching is.
I think it's time we level the playing field for BnG to make it fair for absolutely everyone, if we implement no rules BnG, everybody wins, every style becomes fair, whether you want to notch harder impact shots, or try your luck with rolling grenades and sitters.
The only reason I can think of why I hate notching right now, is because it's so unfair for people who don't know what notching is and it's basically noob bashing at it's worst for free points, there is no sense of achievement or challenge because you know the other person doesn't know how to even play BnG, and they are under a false sense of what's fair in BnG by not throwing lame grenades, well, that's partly my fault.
The only reason I can think of why I hate "lame" rolling grenades and repeats is because of the rules of BnG and the false sense that leads newcomers into believing repeating shots and stuff is lame and so they have no chance of beating someone who is good at notching or good at laming.
If we just agree to no rules BnG, then eventually everyone can choose a style that suits them, notching or laming, or both, and we might finally see civil BnG games and people enjoying it, and even better so, more people will become very good at BnG, it will become popular again, and very competitive, even i'd maybe become an average player.
I am hereby starting a petition to vote for no rules BnG, with only 1 rule, and that is an agreed distance which opponents must hide from each other, I politely ask anyone who wishes support this change, please reply and type the following:
We want No rules BnG !
I absolutely agree, but without rules the BnG-scheme has to change IMO. You can't play no-rules BnG with anchor I think, the first person to end in a hole is pretty much dead (or has to tele each turn :s).
Quote from: HHC on February 09, 2012, 09:15 AM
I absolutely agree, but without rules the BnG-scheme has to change IMO. You can't play no-rules BnG with anchor I think, the first person to end in a hole is pretty much dead (or has to tele each turn :s).
Exactly :)
Time to start working then? ;)
I played BnG the old style on W:R: no rules, straight zooks, islands and caves (lol), wasn't so bad to be honest. You just had zooks and nades, no other weaps. It was really basic.
I imagine for WA something like island maps + scheme with nade/zooks/teles/maybe petrols & digging shite + 3 or 4 sec turn time would be an option.
maybe you want but not me, I haven't spent that long time to train timing, to grandes explose just on worms' heads, no one would use LG anymore or zook, because you just can throw 5 sec nade and you score everytime, lame and boring. Ppl don't like playing bng because it's IMO one of most skillful scheme like ttrr, they are lazy and prefer easy wxw, here same, but there is not replacing scheme, maybe forts... but just only a bit
and why the hell do you discuss about change schemes so much? Like roper, t17 and each other, they have been played for long time now (since I remember they are without change, over 5 years for sure) and now everyone starts to complain, just give them a peace and play, or stop playing if you don't accept the rules.
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:40 AM
maybe you want but not me, I haven't spent that long time to train timing, to grandes explose just on worms' heads, no one would use LG anymore or zook, because you just can throw 5 sec nade and you score everytime, lame and boring. Ppl don't like playing bng because it's IMO one of most skillful scheme like ttrr, they are lazy and prefer easy wxw, here same, but there is not replacing scheme, maybe forts... but just only a bit
There would still be a2b for that, and you still have the option of asking players, like me for example, to play "classic" rules, there are alot of players who would still agree to play more naturally, if you are looking for a fair league, this is by far the best option for everyone Maciej.
no, it's best option for noobs, so this should be optional, if both agree, I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:44 AM
no, it's best option for noobs, so this should be optional, if both agree, I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
It's not the best option for noobs, it's the best option for everyone, if you are so good at BnG, you should still beat noobs easy, look at me, I still play naturally, and I still beat everyone, even notchers and lamers, stop making excuses, you have here a chance to learn absolutely everything about the grenade and the bazooka, if you really care about BnG, you would agree with me.
If you don't agree, you are just scared you will get beat by more and more people.
Bng with no rules will destroy this scheme.
hmmm 100% less bng complaints sure sounds good
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:47 AM
Bng with no rules will destroy this scheme.
Is that all you have? Could you please elaborate, do you have any reason to say that? Any evidence to back it up? Do you have alot of experience with BnG?
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 09:49 AM
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:47 AM
Bng with no rules will destroy this scheme.
Is that all you have? Could you please elaborate, do you have any reason to say that? Any evidence to back it up? Do you have alot of experience with BnG?
>>> No
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:51 AM
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 09:49 AM
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:47 AM
Bng with no rules will destroy this scheme.
Is that all you have? Could you please elaborate, do you have any reason to say that? Any evidence to back it up? Do you have alot of experience with BnG?
>>> No
So will you admit what you said isn't a valid contribution to this conversation?
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 09:52 AM
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:51 AM
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 09:49 AM
Quote from: Throsti on February 09, 2012, 09:47 AM
Bng with no rules will destroy this scheme.
Is that all you have? Could you please elaborate, do you have any reason to say that? Any evidence to back it up? Do you have alot of experience with BnG?
>>> No
So will you admit what you said isn't a valid contribution to this conversation?
:-X
No rules bng would actually make me more interested in bng...
But even then komo, maybe we could still have the sitter.rule.. Everything is fair game.. But still no sitter? Just an idea..
All though I would like to see a change either way, current bng sux..
And lol@ maciej learning to bng story... Reminds me of something... But I can't quite put my finger on it :D
Go for it!
But call it something else, don't destroy the name and the culture of BnG. Call it LnG, whatever, make up something.
Oh yea, and don't even think about putting it in the Classic League, because it will just become the next Hysteria/Team17. Not to mention it would be a new scheme, so not classic at all.
Quote from: Ray on February 09, 2012, 12:42 PM
Oh yea, and don't even think about putting it in the Classic League, because it will just become the next Hysteria/Team17. Not to mention it would be a new scheme, so not classic at all.
Nice fail Ray, you obviously don't know your BnG history.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing...
The name and culture came from w2 man.
Just because theses specific schemes are all that some of you newer players know, and understand, does not make the right, old school, classic, or the most logical...
It's perfectly fine to have your own opinion ray, but stop making such bold statements that are completely wrong
i vote yes rofl but i give more points for deleting this scheme from classic league
would this be anchored or unanchored?
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 09:42 AM
There would still be a2b for that, ...
Except there's not. Let's have the keys to a2b so we can start a new season?
I agree with Ray, add it to free league, that's place for trash, hahaha
and good eye Ray, we have already got hysteria, that's almost same
I didn't know shit about notching before Komo started all the drama like a year ago. Now you want to get rid of it? Why bringing it here then? Sure some people knew about it, but it was just a FEW (b2b community mostly) and I'm deeply convinced that you encouraged many people to actually try working on it after your explanations (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/b2b/johnny-notching-explained/) and stuff.
O:
even i knew so im sure there were more than just few 0:
Quote from: Dulek on February 09, 2012, 04:09 PM
I didn't know shit about notching before Komo started all the drama like a year ago. Now you want to get rid of it? Why bringing it here then? Sure some people knew about it, but it was just a FEW (b2b community mostly) and I'm deeply convinced that you encouraged many people to actually try working on it after your explanations (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/b2b/johnny-notching-explained/) and stuff.
I doubt that CF learned to notch from b2b.
Anyway, do what you want with TUS BnG, just let us have a2b.
Quote from: Prankster on February 09, 2012, 04:26 PM
I doubt that CF learned to notch from b2b.
Still, I believe they use it in appropriate manner, I mean not taking full advantage of it and using it at the moments it's needed the most.
Yet, that doesn't change the fact the explanations were like 'hey, they can notch so I'll spend some time on it and pwn some n00bz since Komo has written it down and I was a lazyass to learn it earlier'.
Lol, I just wanted to point that it isn't b2b the most who knows about notching, don't need the drama.
Edit.
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:44 AM
no, it's best option for noobs, so this should be optional, if both agree, I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
no way noob, I enjoy no rules bng, I played it once in WO tourney 2v2 with KRD, was pretty fun, and skills envolved too, ttrr the most skillful on rope! maybe, u gotta use roll nades on elite, wich is not rly easy, and u suck at it, so yeah i want bng with no rules, i would rly play it since i hate the actual bng.
Ray, seems to be you ask think their opinion is more valuable then anyone elses...
You make statements that are totally false, and now your upset because we told you so.
Why can't you have a normal debate, rather then a f@#! you at the endheres another example of you making a bold statement thats completely false..
"why in tnt flying f@#! do you people always want to change every f@#!ing thing that os working well"
What exactly is working well about the current scheme? Give me an example, because all icaan see is complaint after complaint after complaint...
Or is that your idea of a well working scheme?
Edit: nice edit ray lol... Smart idea axially, smartest thing you have done on this thread
lets clanner bitch
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:44 AM
I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
If some1 start to play lame as you its not the reason to hate them ;D
Quote from: Impossible on February 09, 2012, 05:28 PM
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:44 AM
I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
If some1 start to play lame as you its not the reason to hate them ;D
I never start to play lame IDIOT
Quote from: avirex on February 09, 2012, 05:23 PM
What exactly is working well about the current scheme? Give me an example, because all icaan see is complaint after complaint after complaint...
I had no problems this trl season so far. And when I look at the recent complaints, I see more complaints about someone faking, than I see for bng...
I always supported NRBnG, but imo the current rules work as well at the moment.
When I saw This post i thought... " Uh.. maybe any lame player wants some attention in TUS " when i Realize It was Komo!!!??? :o OMG
jAjajajaj Komo posted this because he doesnt play TUS anymore... WTF man?? i would like to see you playing against a cheap player throwing you nades of 4 in a hole... stop talking trash about this... BnG must be with its rules just as it is Already... funny to see you asking for no rules at BnG when you dont play TUS anymore... and what do you want with this? that they agree with you to chAnge rules and then you can feel like The Hero of TUS?? dont make me laugh
whats wrong with u all ? whats the point trying to put everysingle scheme with no rules? the schemes are amazing as they are , let them alone xD
Quote from: Guaton on February 09, 2012, 05:59 PM
whats wrong with u all ? whats the point trying to put everysingle scheme with no rules? the schemes are amazing as they are , let them alone xD
I Never agreed with you and never dealt with you, but I LOVE YOU For those words...
The NFL is the largest sports league in North America. They are f@#!ing huge! They change there rules every year . . . . Just saying.
k1ng, I think with my record amount of BnG League games played, against every type of player is more than sufficient evidence to back up my claims and opinions, I have played against more cheap players than you could possibly imagine, if you care to watch all 230 or whatever BnG's I have played for TuS singles at least 40 of those were against cheap players, and you should watch how I handle those situations.
I don't understand why you say "i would like to see you playing against a cheap player throwing you nades of 4 in a hole" when I could literally show you hundreds of games from my replays folder, and you could find for yourself more than enough from my TuS games.
Also, has it not occured to you that I stopped playing TuS for a reason? Has it also not occured to you that I may wish to start playing TuS again if I am interested in possible changes to the way things work?
I am not the only person who supports NrBnG, in fact, many people have suggested this scheme long before me, I have seen alot of players request NrBnG, and it would be nice to see their support right now.
What's this talk about me being some sort of hero? Why can't you say something about the subject of the thread? Instead of talking about me, let's talk about NrBnG please?
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 06:11 PM
I have played for TuS singles at least 40 of those were against cheap players, and you should watch how I handle those situations.
This is how you handle it:
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg687/scaled.php?server=687&filename=thumbltb.jpg&res=medium)
there r some of us that really Know how to play BnG (roperz, Dj m4rio, myself... and others) who don't do such a lame thing ^^
I didn't want to join this complains But THIS POST and generally YOU making such a dumb thread made me intervene...
However... about this topic my opinion is that Keep this scheme just as it is and if you want a NrBnG Send it to Free league, but Classic Scheme should not be removed just because some people can't play BnG fairly or just don't know how to play it.
so is this NRBng anchored or unanchored?
Quote from: K1NG on February 09, 2012, 06:01 PM
Quote from: Guaton on February 09, 2012, 05:59 PM
whats wrong with u all ? whats the point trying to put everysingle scheme with no rules? the schemes are amazing as they are , let them alone xD
I Never agreed with you and never dealt with you, but I LOVE YOU For those words...
i dont know u and i dont remember talking with u about something to be agree or not , i dont like ur "i know bng i pwn u dont" self description (like ur last post) , but well... cool XD
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 05:37 PM
Quote from: Impossible on February 09, 2012, 05:28 PM
Quote from: Maciej on February 09, 2012, 09:44 AM
I always get mad if someone starts to play lame
If some1 start to play lame as you its not the reason to hate them ;D
I never start to play lame IDIOT
Oh and one more, Ariejl, if some one answer you its not reason to insult them ;D
Quote from: K1NG on February 09, 2012, 06:50 PM
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 06:11 PM
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(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg687/scaled.php?server=687&filename=thumbltb.jpg&res=medium)
there r some of us that really Know how to play BnG (roperz, Dj m4rio, myself... and others) who don't do such a lame thing ^^
I thought the thumb-on-screen was just an urban legend, do some people actually do this?
i feel like a thumb on the screen would be useless unless you had a transparent thumb
good cheating idea
I would play no rules BnG instantly online.
MI approve it. :D
Quote from: Husk on February 09, 2012, 07:49 PM
I thought the thumb-on-screen was just an urban legend, do some people actually do this?
Mr.komito does... and he's proud of that tecnique
Quote from: Guaton on February 09, 2012, 07:34 PM
i dont like ur "i know bng i pwn u dont" self description (like ur last post)
I can proudly say I play BnG the way it has to be... i'm not saying i Pwn ( because i suck ) I said i KNOW, pointing Komo's Thumb to get his aim... which i never do cause it's lame :P
Quote from: Husk on February 09, 2012, 07:49 PM
Quote from: K1NG on February 09, 2012, 06:50 PM
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 06:11 PM
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(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg687/scaled.php?server=687&filename=thumbltb.jpg&res=medium)
there r some of us that really Know how to play BnG (roperz, Dj m4rio, myself... and others) who don't do such a lame thing ^^
I thought the thumb-on-screen was just an urban legend, do some people actually do this?
xDDDDDDDDDDDD
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
After W:A's ranks and ranked channels got destroyed around 2000, that's when the W:A community leagues started making their own bng schemes. That's largely where our current bng comes from. Between 2000-2008, I will try to describe the progression of bng. With every worms league WACL/cl2k/WL/FB/xtc/TUS, it felt like more and more 'fairness' rules were being added to bng up till today. Someone also decided that all bng maps had to be flat and horizontal, so that stuck as well.
While bng settings may have stayed mostly the same since 2000, the mentality and culture of bng has just gone deeper and deeper into this ideal of HONORABLE and FAIR play to the extreme, that every turn now is decided by the fear of being called LAME. There was no one person who ultimately decided what was LAME or FAIR in league play -> it just happened over time and no one challenged it. It just snowballed into what we have today, and now most everyone is simply used to it and doesn't really see the point in changing anything.
I'm not saying it's wrong to like bng how it is today, everyone is entitled to think that. I'm just saying that there was a lot simpler time when wormers didn't play with this sense of lameness and honor. They just enjoyed playing worms as it is, a ridiculously fun and entertaining game.
No rules bng will always have my vote.
Quote from: Kaleu on February 09, 2012, 10:55 PM
Quote from: Husk on February 09, 2012, 07:49 PM
Quote from: K1NG on February 09, 2012, 06:50 PM
Quote from: Komito on February 09, 2012, 06:11 PM
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(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg687/scaled.php?server=687&filename=thumbltb.jpg&res=medium)
there r some of us that really Know how to play BnG (roperz, Dj m4rio, myself... and others) who don't do such a lame thing ^^
I thought the thumb-on-screen was just an urban legend, do some people actually do this?
xDDDDDDDDDDDD
always a pleasure to put a smile on ur face mate (:
I so agree with your post franz.
Might give it a try. I would trl no rules. Im sure if its confirmed clearly and proveably by both players then no bother surely.
People should do that if they wanna play no rules. It's what I'd do anyway.
:<
I don't really believe this thing is about the old scheme or the current scheme. Or did you have this kind of NrBnG (the kind what we are talking about right here, not something with petrols etc.) before?
If yes, let's think about that why has it changed.
If you still think that it's better, go and make it.
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
just add jp and we have hysteria scheme, full fun, no skill
firstly delete lucky schemes, and then you can think about one of the must skillful
(I know worms is game for fun (and I really like playing bng as it is today) but don't forget it's league too, and this should show best players, if you are looking for crazy fun play comet dodgings (or however it's written) in TRL)
and who has made this topic? Player who left worms and wanted his rank to be cleared because he's not going to play league anymore, pathetic!
I love how your trying so hard to make a point, but oss just coming out as jibberish...
Most of you people think because it's the scheme you know, it's the best.. And thats ignorant
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
After W:A's ranks and ranked channels got destroyed around 2000, that's when the W:A community leagues started making their own bng schemes. That's largely where our current bng comes from. Between 2000-2008, I will try to describe the progression of bng. With every worms league WACL/cl2k/WL/FB/xtc/TUS, it felt like more and more 'fairness' rules were being added to bng up till today. Someone also decided that all bng maps had to be flat and horizontal, so that stuck as well.
While bng settings may have stayed mostly the same since 2000, the mentality and culture of bng has just gone deeper and deeper into this ideal of HONORABLE and FAIR play to the extreme, that every turn now is decided by the fear of being called LAME. There was no one person who ultimately decided what was LAME or FAIR in league play -> it just happened over time and no one challenged it. It just snowballed into what we have today, and now most everyone is simply used to it and doesn't really see the point in changing anything.
I'm not saying it's wrong to like bng how it is today, everyone is entitled to think that. I'm just saying that there was a lot simpler time when wormers didn't play with this sense of lameness and honor. They just enjoyed playing worms as it is, a ridiculously fun and entertaining game.
No rules bng will always have my vote.
(http://www.picamatic.com/show/2012/02/10/05/02/8212782_650x399.jpg)
Quote from: Maciej on February 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
just add jp and we have hysteria scheme, full fun, no skill
firstly delete lucky schemes, and then you can think about one of the must skillful
(I know worms is game for fun (and I really like playing bng as it is today) but don't forget it's league too, and this should show best players, if you are looking for crazy fun play comet dodgings (or however it's written) in TRL)
and who has made this topic? Player who left worms and wanted his rank to be cleared because he's not going to play league anymore, pathetic!
I know I'm a little slow, but what the f@#! are you talking about?
Add jetpack to bng? Comet dodging?
As of a year ago I didn't know who the f@#! you were. As of over 10 years ago people played bng with no rules and it was very skillful, more skill then you possess.
Wait, what are you trying to say again?
Notice how so far the only people who don't like NrBnG are talking jibberish and can't actually come up with any valid readson whatsoever to not have NrBnG.
k1ng, you notch zooks, you know how to notch grenades, you may or may not actually do it, but i've seen conversations which i've used google translator for including you and roperz and the proof was there although I stayed quiet about it because to me it's obvious you were only using it for bazooka, which isn't so bad in my opinion, I don't care, but I know for a damn fact, you know how to notch, that is much lamer than putting my thumb over the screen, to save time, I am a very clever person, I have alot of common sense, I figure out the best/quickest ways to do anything I enjoy doing, you are just jealous you didn't think of it 1st.
I can say this once and only once and if anyone is too stupid to realise then whatever I don't care and I am glad I am not them but here:
Notching - aim perfect 1st time, has a ridiculously high chance to hit target on 1st attempt if power is correct.
Using my thumb to re-aim - The 1st shot, I totally guessed, I didn't use any aide such as notching, or markings on the screen like some "lame" players, I missed because my angle was correct, the aim was perfect, but I failed on the power, I can easily just re-aim without using my thumb, but it would maybe take 5-10 seconds more just to check it was the same, instead, I put my thumb over the screen, quickly reset my aim, and put it back.
I know it might not seem like much at the time, but every turn I save myself 5 seconds to reaim, after 10,000 BnG's that time adds up, we are talking at least 10,000 seconds of my life, have been saved by using this method, this is the only reason why I do it, and it's justifiable to me, I don't need anyones permission to do it, and they can call it lame all they want, because even with or without using my thumb, I still play fairer at BnG than you ever will, I am clever for using my common sense to do this, and you are dumb for thinking it's lame.
Everything I do in BnG is natural, I don't use pre-constructed methods like some people, I play exactly how my opponent plays, if they notch, i'll notch, if they cheap, I will cheap, if they play a2b style, i'll play a2b style. You wish you had as much variety and skill as me, and you honestly just sound like a jealous loser trying to defend his even more lame friend, I really don't know how you can be friends with such a coward k1ng, but it's your life I guess.
And for anyone who thinks NrBnG requires no skill, I dare you to even try and beat me once at it, if not, then shut the f@#! up because you are just lying, it's harder to win than a2b, 100% sure about that.
Quote from: Random00 on February 09, 2012, 05:43 PM
Quote from: avirex on February 09, 2012, 05:23 PM
What exactly is working well about the current scheme? Give me an example, because all icaan see is complaint after complaint after complaint...
I had no problems this trl season so far. And when I look at the recent complaints, I see more complaints about someone faking, than I see for bng...
I always supported NRBnG, but imo the current rules work as well at the moment.
I totally agree with random00, i rarely have any problems with my bng games either. Infact vs my game against random00 the other week he asked since when did i start to notch! I just realized i didn't have to judge my shot by the cross hair all the time but another technique and he told me this was notching!
Random00 beat me fairly in that game, i had the angle on some of my turns to hit and push and put the pressure on him but he was more consistent. There was no foul play and i was fine with the way he aimmed.. even if does have markings off around his monitor like Anubis or notches prefectly every turn ;) ::) :P
The only thing that i would change in TuS is a clear set of rules on darksiding, close teleports and add griders to the scheme. I think 1/2 a screen length is too long.. before in AL a close teleport was defined as 2 movements of 4sec grenade range, anything in that radius was too close, or 1 grider length, then that got changed to 2 full size grider lengths as an esitmate.
In old bng clanners close teleports werent a problem, this allowed you to even teleport to the same side of the map as your opponent which in my eyes still isnt legal. If someone is teleporting close to the middle of the map they leave themselves exposed to teleports on far side of their side of map.
I also think some maps with tigher hides would help, also try playing bng unanched with 0sec retreat time. This enables you to open up more shot options but also allows you to hide under lips of land and bank off something to get a shot out. If someone is notching or cheaping you, you want the option to have a well protected hide so that you can still fire and attack them.
I my opinion Darksiding isn't illegal. Darksiding is when your hiding and playing a defensive cowardly game. Look at all the old T17 stories about the Darksiding Buffalo and the Lightside Giraffe! Putting griders back in the scheme would help this.
What is illegal in bng is not having a possible shot, the kind of hides where you are just waiting on wind to fire and skipping (like what is legal in hysteria). Allowing more options for this will make it more of an even playing field, the option to darkside is good. It means your practicing wind shots and good banks! It also means your opponent has to do abit of digging with winds or grenades that explode on inpact when going for your cover.
The option of having both scheme available seems better to me as well, but what would happen in PO if 1 player wanted NrBnG and other wants normal? Find a way around that situation and well whatever...
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 10:04 AM
The option of having both scheme available seems better to me as well, but what would happen in PO if 1 player wanted NrBnG and other wants normal? Find a way around that situation and well whatever...
If people agree on a scheme like NrBnG i don't see why it cant be used in classic. Just like elite used to be elite/pro, and we have t17 that supports unlimited and limited griders.
However in PO i think you shouldn't be able to use NrBnG (unless both agreed)
Komo you crack me up sometimes. I love reading your posts and you bring a little light into what can be a dark and boring world.
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
After W:A's ranks and ranked channels got destroyed around 2000, that's when the W:A community leagues started making their own bng schemes. That's largely where our current bng comes from. Between 2000-2008, I will try to describe the progression of bng. With every worms league WACL/cl2k/WL/FB/xtc/TUS, it felt like more and more 'fairness' rules were being added to bng up till today. Someone also decided that all bng maps had to be flat and horizontal, so that stuck as well.
While bng settings may have stayed mostly the same since 2000, the mentality and culture of bng has just gone deeper and deeper into this ideal of HONORABLE and FAIR play to the extreme, that every turn now is decided by the fear of being called LAME. There was no one person who ultimately decided what was LAME or FAIR in league play -> it just happened over time and no one challenged it. It just snowballed into what we have today, and now most everyone is simply used to it and doesn't really see the point in changing anything.
I'm not saying it's wrong to like bng how it is today, everyone is entitled to think that. I'm just saying that there was a lot simpler time when wormers didn't play with this sense of lameness and honor. They just enjoyed playing worms as it is, a ridiculously fun and entertaining game.
No rules bng will always have my vote.
Wow, I must say I've never tried playing on cup maps like that, but they instantly look like they'd eliminate a ton of problems. For one, notching wouldn't be quite so easy, you wouldn't have as many 4 sec full power opportunities. You'd have more to take into account than just the horizontal range of the nade, with all those highs and lows. Darksiding wouldn't be an issue at all. You'd actually have to utilize some creative max bounce shots on occasion.
Personally I've already discarded any ideas of cheapness in league BnG, and maybe if we adopted NRBnG other people would do the same. The only rule I'm kind of attached to is no sitters, but I'd be fine with axing it so that we wouldn't have to deal with penalties in-game. I'd be very interested if we could create a cup or something for NRBnG, hopefully played on these maps.
Mablak, i'll get started on creating a cup, but not yet, we will gather a few of us together, try out some schemes, agree on one, and then use that for the cup.
Edit: Some NrBnGs I played with Casso yesterday if anyone is interested in watching.
I was just testing out ways of playing it, I was notching at times and others just whatever, repeats etc.
Mablak, w2Bng was random placement, and water below lol...
But your right, with a w:a twist it could be fun.. especially the bouncy nades..w2 wasnot nearly as creative when it came to the nades
Just played this NrBnG with Mablak xD
it look very funny :o and vn shot at end Komo.
I was saying this in 2000
What about this a suggestion to regular bng... 8second turn times? This may make notching and marking with fingers harder.. Would certainly promote alot more aimming by your instincts
Quote from: ropa on February 10, 2012, 01:11 PM
I was saying this in 2000
remember our unanchored bng games against zee germans to combat notching?
Another nice NrBnG here,
Nice shot at 23:25.
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 01:34 PM
Another nice NrBnG here,
We can find good normal BnG games as well so what's exactly the point of showing these replays?
I support unanchored BnG.
Omg, vn end shots.
some peoples are taking Jack3d b4 a bng game , i heard thats awesome! ill give a try very soon
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 10, 2012, 01:13 PM
Quote from: ropa on February 10, 2012, 01:11 PM
I was saying this in 2000
remember our unanchored bng games against zee germans to combat notching?
I liked unanch BnG. :D
I also support no rules BnG, I'd like it as the primary classic league scheme, over the current BnG. The only rule I'd keep is the minimum distance between two worms, sitters would be fine with me.
Quote from: darKz on February 10, 2012, 05:55 PMThe only rule I'd keep is the minimum distance between two worms, sitters would be fine with me.
I 2nd that.
The Shyguy army puts its full support behind NRBng
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
After W:A's ranks and ranked channels got destroyed around 2000, that's when the W:A community leagues started making their own bng schemes. That's largely where our current bng comes from. Between 2000-2008, I will try to describe the progression of bng. With every worms league WACL/cl2k/WL/FB/xtc/TUS, it felt like more and more 'fairness' rules were being added to bng up till today. Someone also decided that all bng maps had to be flat and horizontal, so that stuck as well.
This is incorrect history.
Before the ranks were destoried you had your own bng schemes being popular and played in games outside of the bng channel. The bng channel existed and MaxDamage won it to get his red flaming bar but it was a fairly inactive channel, just as much as ropeleague channel was played on cavern style maps like the one where you have to rope around and collect the cr8s in single player missions.
There were ropers in #rh who weren't playing games in the special roper league because they disliked the scheme, their rope scheme was on the traditional maps we use today but included dyno and sheep in the scheme (probably influenced by w2 players making the cross over)
The same goes for bng. There was the bng league channel but there was also the traditional bng scheme being played. It was just as popular as forts. I know because was the first scheme i learnt to play and i was bng'ing when the ranks were still up. In the clan league HoS, TEA, EiF, DFA (massive bng clan with sk8n) and BnGks (Psydome, Reddo, RexNocte) were all picking bng for clanners while bng channel was about.
In that version of bng you only had two rules, no sitters and no straight zooks. There was nothing about reaiming, nothing about close teleports, darksiding wasn't illegal, people would drill into the map and torch into land with no possible shots. You also had petrols, clusters and mortors. If you find an old bngers even from the 2002 era you'll notice they don't reset their aim because they didnt have to in their bng period.. Reddo was on the other day and he wasn't resetting his aim and didn't enjoy seeing low gravity in the bng scheme as it wasn't in the old one.
BnG evloved in a good way in my opinion and like i said in my other post, if you want to enjoy it again then relax on what is considered lame/cheap or illegal, allow closer teleports, allow for griders and abit more darksiding hides that promote banks and a selection of zook shots.
I like the current BnG, but I don't mind giving no-rules a chance, however, if there wont be rules then I'd prefer it to be unanch
so I'd vote for 1 trl season to see how it goes
Quote from: Mablak on February 10, 2012, 11:13 AM
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
After W:A's ranks and ranked channels got destroyed around 2000, that's when the W:A community leagues started making their own bng schemes. That's largely where our current bng comes from. Between 2000-2008, I will try to describe the progression of bng. With every worms league WACL/cl2k/WL/FB/xtc/TUS, it felt like more and more 'fairness' rules were being added to bng up till today. Someone also decided that all bng maps had to be flat and horizontal, so that stuck as well.
While bng settings may have stayed mostly the same since 2000, the mentality and culture of bng has just gone deeper and deeper into this ideal of HONORABLE and FAIR play to the extreme, that every turn now is decided by the fear of being called LAME. There was no one person who ultimately decided what was LAME or FAIR in league play -> it just happened over time and no one challenged it. It just snowballed into what we have today, and now most everyone is simply used to it and doesn't really see the point in changing anything.
I'm not saying it's wrong to like bng how it is today, everyone is entitled to think that. I'm just saying that there was a lot simpler time when wormers didn't play with this sense of lameness and honor. They just enjoyed playing worms as it is, a ridiculously fun and entertaining game.
No rules bng will always have my vote.
Wow, I must say I've never tried playing on cup maps like that, but they instantly look like they'd eliminate a ton of problems. For one, notching wouldn't be quite so easy, you wouldn't have as many 4 sec full power opportunities. You'd have more to take into account than just the horizontal range of the nade, with all those highs and lows. Darksiding wouldn't be an issue at all. You'd actually have to utilize some creative max bounce shots on occasion.
Personally I've already discarded any ideas of cheapness in league BnG, and maybe if we adopted NRBnG other people would do the same. The only rule I'm kind of attached to is no sitters, but I'd be fine with axing it so that we wouldn't have to deal with penalties in-game. I'd be very interested if we could create a cup or something for NRBnG, hopefully played on these maps.
that cups map was large, 4 worms was cause of the water underneath, plenty of drowning going on
i don't ever remember there being any rules except no straight zooks, i know people agreed on whatever rules and it worked fine
i still try get people to play cups these days but they're not havin it lol
takin the screenshot of cups to the next page for nostalgias sake ^ look at the beauty of it!!!!!
Quote from: Dub-c on February 10, 2012, 04:50 AM
Quote from: Maciej on February 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
Quote from: franz on February 09, 2012, 11:12 PM
I don't remember what I said in the clanner Komo saw to inspire him to make this thread, but I agree with him completely. Before W:A, Worms2 played bng with no rules, with this complex cups map, and multiple worms (likely due to manual placement missing), and it was fun.
(http://www.wmdb.org/images/maps/medium/6377.jpg)
When W:A came out around 1999, it had its own bng scheme again without rules in its own ranked bng channel, and it was nothing like how it is today. I don't have the exact scheme anymore, but I remember it being more spicy than the current bng scheme, as it had petrol bombs I think among other things (if anyone can find this old bng scheme, others may like to see it), but again the main point is that it was still fun.
just add jp and we have hysteria scheme, full fun, no skill
firstly delete lucky schemes, and then you can think about one of the must skillful
(I know worms is game for fun (and I really like playing bng as it is today) but don't forget it's league too, and this should show best players, if you are looking for crazy fun play comet dodgings (or however it's written) in TRL)
and who has made this topic? Player who left worms and wanted his rank to be cleared because he's not going to play league anymore, pathetic!
I know I'm a little slow, but what the f@#! are you talking about?
Add jetpack to bng? Comet dodging?
As of a year ago I didn't know who the f@#! you were. As of over 10 years ago people played bng with no rules and it was very skillful, more skill then you possess.
Wait, what are you trying to say again?
if you are asking about it I can notice you are just too stupid to understand me (yeee and this slow thinking) because I have written everything clearly
year ago, and even 2 years ago I was already well-known player of worms as I was wQw member and played actively, and before I used to play wwp for few years.
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
k1ng, you notch zooks, you know how to notch grenades, you may or may not actually do it
Well i am 100% Sure that the only thing you have read in those games is that i notch ONLY one wind... which is this one [ |>> ] [ <<| ]
and the irony here is that YOU taught me that.
I don't notch grenades... all my nades are always with my aiming and is always a new aim (not putting my thumb LMFAO)
However i still looking for the meaning of NOTCH... i don't even know exactly what it is, just an idea.
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
is much lamer than putting my thumb over the screen, to save time
There's nothing lamer than that, lol and "to save time"? you got 15 seconds and thinking time also...
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
I missed because my angle was correct, the aim was perfect, but I failed on the power, I can easily just re-aim without using my thumb, but it would maybe take 5-10 seconds more just to check it was the same
- Why can't you do it by yourself? if you are a clever person you should be able to get your same aim, thats why you Rarely Fail, get the same aim is one of the most nice things of BnG, to see how good are you getting the aim you had before...
- It will take you 5-10 seconds? cool isn't it a challenge? you should love challenges... how people who don't use their thumb can get same aim (and a shot doesn't depend only of that, if you get the same aim but less or more power, you can still hit the target)
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
I still play fairer at BnG than you ever will, I am clever for using my common sense to do this, and you are dumb for thinking it's lame.
Lame :P
Quote from: Komito on February 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
You wish you had as much variety and skill as me
(http://www.picamatic.com/show/2012/02/11/03/12/8215542_390x256.jpg)
k1ng, you don't even understand what I am saying.
k1ng, get back on subject, talk about NrBnG, that's what this thread is for, not how superior at BnG I am to you.
Lmao posts above xDD
(http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/youareallidixz052mcy7n.jpg)
Bad reply Komo :<
Quote from: Komito on February 11, 2012, 12:54 AM
k1ng, you don't even understand what I am saying.
k1ng, get back on subject, talk about NrBnG, that's what this thread is for, not how superior at BnG I am to you.
gg komo
Quote from: Cueshark on February 11, 2012, 03:05 AM
Bad reply Komo :<
How lol, he posted pics saying i'm his idol, I was just playing along.
You can all suck my lovely cock! Zero respect to all of you who think you f@#!in invented worms or something, f@#! you too. I only read 1 page out of the ongoing 6 pages and you can all suck it. Bng needs rules or it's not bng, did msdos sorched earth have any problems? No! I can't care less what you wanna call your weirdo schemes just don't call it bng!
/drunk out!
Quote from: wormf00d on February 11, 2012, 03:58 AM
You can all suck my lovely cock! Zero respect to all of you who think you f@#!in invented worms or something, f@#! you too. I only read 1 page out of the ongoing 6 pages and you can all suck it. Bng needs rules or it's not bng, did msdos sorched earth have any problems? No! I can't care less what you wanna call your weirdo schemes just don't call it bng!
/drunk out!
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/9/c282da05-0bb1-4510-a353-6343f2948ce7.jpg)
"I missed because my angle was correct, the aim was perfect, but I failed on the power, I can easily just re-aim without using my thumb, but it would maybe take 5-10 seconds more just to check it was the same"
well, im gonna start to use the "tap" script for roping so i dont need to think about timing cus its waste of time
Lmao I agree, why tap space twice to do a shadow? when you can just tap once?
Kaleu, start a thread about this, me and nc will supppoort you duuuuuudde!
Quote from: Komito on February 11, 2012, 12:54 AM
k1ng, get back on subject, talk about NrBnG, that's what this thread is for, not how superior at BnG I am to you.
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Quote from: Desetroyah on February 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/soccer-miss.gif)
actor! Almost like Barca
Lol isn't that Michael Owen?
He is Steven Gerrard
(http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/02/5fc3d99f43d152a64c882b5a76f7890e.gif?1328708669)
Thanks for not getting my joke everyone and especially to Chelsea for posting something totally irrelevant, n1 ;P
after this MI can close this topic I think
Quote from: wormf00d on February 11, 2012, 03:58 AM
You can all suck my lovely cock! Zero respect to all of you who think you f@#!in invented worms or something, f@#! you too. I only read 1 page out of the ongoing 6 pages and you can all suck it. Bng needs rules or it's not bng, did msdos sorched earth have any problems? No! I can't care less what you wanna call your weirdo schemes just don't call it bng!
/drunk out!
Wormf00d should be president!! he knows!!
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: wormf00d on February 11, 2012, 03:58 AM
You can all suck my lovely cock! Zero respect to all of you who think you f@#!in invented worms or something, f@#! you too. I only read 1 page out of the ongoing 6 pages and you can all suck it. Bng needs rules or it's not bng, did msdos sorched earth have any problems? No! I can't care less what you wanna call your weirdo schemes just don't call it bng!
/drunk out!
Don't mess with this guy! ;D
(http://shrani.si/f/45/Lf/1U6y1Azp/alkaida.jpg)
Anything gonna happen with this?
"You must use the official schemes found on the schemes page. If you host and use the incorrect scheme without telling them, your opponent has the right to replay the game with the correct scheme"
If you decide to use an NRBnG scheme and your opponent agrees, then in my view its fine. Similar to when some ropers being played with w2 rope scheme..
However you may wanna doublecheck with MI.
Just delete BnG. It's a gentleman scheme and so few people are in right to play it tho.
Go on with your NRBnG, sounds fair for those newbie lamers.
Oh how I missed your "the world sucks, I just want to die"-like comments Abnaxus. :D
1v1 roper should be played with 2 worms - its the right thing to do
Quote from: darKz on February 13, 2012, 06:37 PM
Oh how I missed your "the world sucks, I just want to die"-like comments Abnaxus. :D
You want to die ? Just suicide, it's easy.
rr should be played without chute
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 13, 2012, 07:01 PM
Quote from: darKz on February 13, 2012, 06:37 PM
Oh how I missed your "the world sucks, I just want to die"-like comments Abnaxus. :D
You want to die ? Just suicide, it's easy.
You make that sound like you commit suicide daily. xD
Quote from: WookA on February 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
1v1 roper should be played with 2 worms - its the right thing to do
Quote from: Husk on February 13, 2012, 07:06 PM
rr should be played without chute
Good thinking! Finally some constructive minds! It's time for revolution! ;D
And yeah, while we're at it, add that U can block in roper and that U can shoot crates, add that U can use tap scripts in rr's and that U can attack without taking a crate in shopper and that U can use macros in hysteria so U can do jp+lg+F2+nade fuse+max bounce+watching a porn while U do it cause it saves ur time! In fact make all schemes no rules! Forget the history and the culture of a game and let's all commit collective suicide!
Apart of sarcasm, I'd notice that this topic is just one of many attempts to do the scheme revolution by a wrong guy at the wrong time at the wrong place.
Let me be so kind and give U a suggestion.
nrBnG is not a variation of BnG scheme. It is a completely other and different thing.
Wanna see players that's not re-aiming and throwing constantly same fuse nades? Wanna see players throwing 5s rollers and shooting straight zooks? Thinking in advance, wanna see new players in few years that have never put a tiny piece of effort to make any other shot except default 3 or 4 sec? Whatever that U wanna see and whatever U wanna make, don't mix it with BnG. Call it no-rules-Forts or w/e, make a Forts-like maps and shoot each other with straight zooks as much as U like, but don't even compare it to BnG. As I've said few years ago, if U wanna allow that kind of lame playing and make a new scheme with it, it's all fine! But don't call it BnG for f@#! sake! Call it NtD (Nade to Death) or smth and leave f@#!ing BnG to it's own.
I believe that BnG have earned that much credits after all this years (of endless bitching about it) to be the scheme which is played on a decent level at least (as much as it can).
Why do all you newbs think you know culture and history of schemes?
Just because its the scheme you are most familiar with, does not mean its the original scheme, the culture or the history.
if you want to voice your opinion, thats cool, but dont act like you know the"culture or history" just because your some b2b twat...
if you insist on getting back to bng's culture and history ramone, then nrbng it is! Excellent idea..
Besides you don't even play league, your opinion means jack shit
I agree with avi. The scheme has evolved a lot over many years, and you interpret the current scheme as the "correct" one ramone. That does not give you (or anyone for that matter) the right to write in that "know-it-all" attitude. It is more provoking then informative in my opinion. I can count by hand those who are still active that have played BnG from the original scheme, I`m not one of them and neither are you.
Edit: I`m not saying that you have had to play this game since scratch to voice your opinion, I just think you should have your facts straight before going on posting like that.
Quote from: avirex on February 14, 2012, 02:50 AM
if you insist on getting back to bng's culture and history ramone, then nrbng it is! Excellent idea..
rofl owned!
Omg dude, sorry but...
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Quote from: WookA on February 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
1v1 roper should be played with 2 worms - its the right thing to do
It is, there is 1 worm on each team smartass :P
Ramone you have no idea about BnG, if someone is stupid enough to stay in the same hide, with unanchored worms, then they are stupid, if they hide where they can get continous easy sitters, they are stupid.
It's much more talented than a2b, when 2 great players meet.
For example, if me and darKz were to play each other it would more than likely turn into a banking war, because we can notch perfect without missing if it's unanchored, making it harder to hit, than normal BnG.
Quote from: avirex on February 14, 2012, 02:50 AM
Besides you don't even play league, your opinion means jack shit
thats right.
I still can't figure out if nrbng was so cool, why the hell did they change it? And if we are already here, what about intermediate, shopper, and whatever schemes there were?
Btw, avirex, who made you think that Ramone is saying what he is saying because he's b2b?
Quote from: Prankster on February 14, 2012, 10:45 AM
I still can't figure out if nrbng was so cool, why the hell did they change it?
Well, myself, KRD and some other dedicated BnG players are to blame for this "style" BnG thing in Leagues no thanks to our perpetual complaining of lame BnGrs and old hatred of "laming".
I tried to make a scheme, but it wasn't that much of a success :(
15 sec turn time, 0 sec retreat.
Unlim zooks, nades, torches, pistol, firepunch
Some clusters, petrols, girders
1 para, 1 bungee, 1 mortar, 1 LG
random island map, 4 worms per team (100hp), no rules.
random mines, 5% chance of health crates, water rise at SD.
The first game was pretty darn cool: 2012-02-14 10.52.44 [Offline] TheDeadlyCup23, Power Midget.WAgame (first turns i suck, after 10 mins it gets better, after 20 mins I make some really nice shots as both teams hold one side of the map. The gg-shot was real class :D (@28:25)
The 2nd, 3rd and 4th game rather sucked though. The problem I have is that I want to combine unanchored BnG with a 'fort'-kind of play (where players are seperated from each other.. 1 on each side of the map). In my games, however, (1st to a lesser extent cause of the many vertical obstacles) the team that has the upper hand in HP will naturally try to walk to the other team to finish them off in a straight zook kind of contest. I found that the defending worm is sometimes quite capable of holding his ground, while in other occassions (worm being down & on the side) the worm had pretty much no chance. In both occasions the game ended way too quick and not with nice distance-shots, but close range-pwnage :(
I'm gonna have to try to find a way to work around that. Although it seems highly unlikely I will :(
(unlimited teles would help, but cant do that cause of telecows..)
N.B.: in the replay I use an earlier version of the scheme. I decreased the health-crates appareance from 10 to 5% after. And added unlim pistols and fp to make getting out of holes easier.
The new scheme is attached for those who like to try it.
No offence, HHC, but that scheme is just too much. Unlimited zook, nade, tele, torch, lg and fire punch is ok. The rest is unnecessary. I have no problem with sg, but if you add that, it requires a rule /don't use it to attack/. Keeping a fair distance also should be a rule, IMO. And the map is very important with nrbng. Since we can't check the seed, ppl should be allowed to refuse playing on a map, even after the game has started.
Also I think there would be a lot of complain because of lamers this time too, don't you think? There isn't a perfect scheme to fit everyone's wish.
Needs an official vote to change the scheme.
The scheme is called NrBnG, it shouldn't have any other weapons lol, it shouldn't have cluster bombs, it shouldn't have parachute and it shouldn't have bungee, you are making a completely different scheme with this lol. It sounds nice, but it definately isn't NrBnG.
Imo, it should be the way it is, with no rules, hence, NrBnG, the name lol.
The scheme I had was the TuS BnG scheme, I put 15s hotseat time, for time to think if you gonna hide/shoot/bank/what shot you gonna use etc, inf tele, inf fp, inf drill, inf girder, bazooka, grenade, LG, Unanchored, 0s retreat, the maps I use are the t17 cavern map, delete top, fill bottom, pick maps with big dips in land and holes etc so the objects make some interesting hides, also protects against notching/sitters/etc, the best textures so far are, desert, tentacles, hell, tribal.
-forest sucks for this, not enough hides.
The reason I like it like this, when I play people for example, surgeon/lacoste/ramone/pranksta etc, we will try lots of trick shots etc, if I were to play against a notcher or someone who knows how too, and will, for example Random/darKz/Anubis/Mablak, then I will notch (funny how they all German lol, j/k lol, but it is a coincedence haha, I know Mab is American, but his eyebrows are German, for real).
I don't see how this "laming" is such a big fuss, and I honestly feel like a stupid twat for moaning about it all these years, BnG should be no holds barred, you can learn how to notch, you can learn how to do easy nades to beat other players who play like this, a notcher vs a notcher will be a much more interesting game to watch, than 2 people who think they own cuz they hit 1 trick shot, for half damage, every 5-10 shots, or players like k1ng/roperz/maciej (no offence) who only know what is in my opinion 3-4 basic shots that they have practised over and over and every BnG is basically exactly the same shots over and over, no movement, just boring.
What is more skillful? Think about it? Being able to beat anybody with multiple styles, mastering the grenade/bazooka in every way possible to combat any situation, or being able to throw about 3-4 different kinds of shots successfully, and hitting "trick shots" once in a blue moon?
I've played about 100 NrBnG's in the last 1-2 weeks, and i've had the most fun BnG'n than I ever have, especially with Kyho and Casso, they both loved it, there were no complaints about being cheap, you didn't have to worry about accidentally doing something wrong, or falling out with a good friend because of a grenade that accidentally was a sitter, or for repeating a shot because you were both at 5hp and both really didn't want to lose, for the 1st time in a long time, I was able to get to know the person I was playing, not play like a f@#!ing robot and bore everyone, I even got plopped in 1 shot in 1 game, cuz I walked to a safe place, it's so exciting, and unpredictable.
At least think of it this way, all you haters, what do you think will appeal more to new players? People like k1ng/maciej, and what used to be myself, complaining about lame shots etc, telling you that you MUST play by their standards, which makes you feel like a total noob and like you are being treated like a child, or being able to do whatever you want, you might lose, but at least you got to do whatever you wanted to and you will enjoy it way more and maybe take an interest to it.
I definately see BnG becoming massively successful if NrBnG becomes the new classic scheme in Leagues, and I will support this no matter what, I will personally fund it and put as much time as possible into promoting it, I will do anything because I KNOW this is the right thing to do for this scheme.
I will still be running a2b for everyone who wouldn't want to play NrBnG, but would still support it, for the sake of the majority of players who want NrBnG.
I am begging you, please give it a chance...
And aamof it's even better for trick shots, cuz you can move around, if you see a cool shot, you don't have to waste a turn to tele and maybe get hit, a nice bank get ruined etc.
It depends on what you're aiming for. I felt like trying to create a BnG-game with no rules, and no other restrictions.
Quoteno rules BnG, with only 1 rule, and that is an agreed distance which opponents must hide from each other
That's 1rBnG :P
(not to mention the fact that games must be hosted on special maps).
Your NrBnG is pretty much exactly like the old league BnG. Sure you can move around and throw cheap shots now, but the game is just a copy of the old thing: layer of land, trees on it, 1 guy on each side and ping-pong, ping-pong, ping-pong, ping-p'yawn'g.
I don't think it will make more players play BnG, not me that's for sure ;)
..
Anyway, I'm gonna keep on working on my scheme, and maybe release it in a default-schemes map pack later (with other schemes that truly have no special rules). I know it will never be accepted as a league scheme, np at that.
Omg HHC 1rBnG is an awesome name ! That's going to be the name of my 1rBnG cup xD
COMING SOON ! MWUahuAHuahuhauUa !
In response to Ramone:
Cba & Afr in Shopper sucks, why ?
Cba: Feel free to not take a crate before attacking, but I wonder how you'll attack without any weapons.
Afr: Feel free to attack from floor, you'll lose time leaving your rope and being able to move/attack from floor.
Those 2 rules are senseless. Except for newbies who need more than 1 turn to use the weapon they just grabed.
Reading avis posts cracks me up. Listen to that old man!! xD
Honestly though, exterminating the rules in league schemes is something that had to be done like yeeears ago already..
Quote from: Komito on February 14, 2012, 01:27 PM
The scheme is called NrBnG, it shouldn't have any other weapons lol, it shouldn't have cluster bombs, it shouldn't have parachute and it shouldn't have bungee, you are making a completely different scheme with this lol. It sounds nice, but it definately isn't NrBnG.
Imo, it should be the way it is, with no rules, hence, NrBnG, the name lol.
The scheme I had was the TuS BnG scheme, I put 15s hotseat time, for time to think if you gonna hide/shoot/bank/what shot you gonna use etc, inf tele, inf fp, inf drill, inf girder, bazooka, grenade, LG, Unanchored, 0s retreat, the maps I use are the t17 cavern map, delete top, fill bottom, pick maps with big dips in land and holes etc so the objects make some interesting hides, also protects against notching/sitters/etc, the best textures so far are, desert, tentacles, hell, tribal.
-forest sucks for this, not enough hides.
The reason I like it like this, when I play people for example, surgeon/lacoste/ramone/pranksta etc, we will try lots of trick shots etc, if I were to play against a notcher or someone who knows how too, and will, for example Random/darKz/Anubis/Mablak, then I will notch (funny how they all German lol, j/k lol, but it is a coincedence haha, I know Mab is American, but his eyebrows are German, for real).
I don't see how this "laming" is such a big fuss, and I honestly feel like a stupid twat for moaning about it all these years, BnG should be no holds barred, you can learn how to notch, you can learn how to do easy nades to beat other players who play like this, a notcher vs a notcher will be a much more interesting game to watch, than 2 people who think they own cuz they hit 1 trick shot, for half damage, every 5-10 shots, or players like k1ng/roperz/maciej (no offence) who only know what is in my opinion 3-4 basic shots that they have practised over and over and every BnG is basically exactly the same shots over and over, no movement, just boring.
What is more skillful? Think about it? Being able to beat anybody with multiple styles, mastering the grenade/bazooka in every way possible to combat any situation, or being able to throw about 3-4 different kinds of shots successfully, and hitting "trick shots" once in a blue moon?
I've played about 100 NrBnG's in the last 1-2 weeks, and i've had the most fun BnG'n than I ever have, especially with Kyho and Casso, they both loved it, there were no complaints about being cheap, you didn't have to worry about accidentally doing something wrong, or falling out with a good friend because of a grenade that accidentally was a sitter, or for repeating a shot because you were both at 5hp and both really didn't want to lose, for the 1st time in a long time, I was able to get to know the person I was playing, not play like a f@#!ing robot and bore everyone, I even got plopped in 1 shot in 1 game, cuz I walked to a safe place, it's so exciting, and unpredictable.
At least think of it this way, all you haters, what do you think will appeal more to new players? People like k1ng/maciej, and what used to be myself, complaining about lame shots etc, telling you that you MUST play by their standards, which makes you feel like a total noob and like you are being treated like a child, or being able to do whatever you want, you might lose, but at least you got to do whatever you wanted to and you will enjoy it way more and maybe take an interest to it.
I definately see BnG becoming massively successful if NrBnG becomes the new classic scheme in Leagues, and I will support this no matter what, I will personally fund it and put as much time as possible into promoting it, I will do anything because I KNOW this is the right thing to do for this scheme.
I will still be running a2b for everyone who wouldn't want to play NrBnG, but would still support it, for the sake of the majority of players who want NrBnG.
I am begging you, please give it a chance...
And aamof it's even better for trick shots, cuz you can move around, if you see a cool shot, you don't have to waste a turn to tele and maybe get hit, a nice bank get ruined etc.
really nice post komo, i hope we will see nrbng as a league scheme soon.
Quote from: darKz on February 14, 2012, 02:54 PM
Reading avis posts cracks me up. Listen to that old man!! xD
Honestly though, exterminating the rules in league schemes is something that had to be done like yeeears ago already..
speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?
I was too lazy to read another long and boring love story by Komo, I just took a look where he mentioned me.
I like bng, but I don't use much freestyle shots too much in league, because it's league, I just focus on 3 sec, 5 sec LG and zook of course which is hunderts of ways. Sometimes I use some bounce nades, 4 sec LG, last time I even used 4 sec max (ekhm notch? I didn't know what it is, just asked Dulek after read this topic, and I still can't imagine how ppl could use it, do they see the distance using rule? oO)
And ye, it's so boring... let ppl use 5 sec nade each turn, the first hit person will never get out of the hole which will be done by granades this way (or they will have to move each turn, again and again)
It's not us who have problem, but you, mr Best who needs changes, but at once is not going to play league anymore, so pathetic (ah, and few unskilled noobs, but who the f@#! care about them)
Quote from: ShyGuy on February 14, 2012, 03:56 PM
speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?
If I'm not mistaken that's because Elite and Team17 had ranked channels back in 2000-ish where rope knocking was disabled by default, much like in #PartyTime. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Didn't bother reading Maciejs post btw, it's most likely just crap anyway.
Quote from: Komito on February 14, 2012, 01:27 PM
And aamof it's even better for trick shots, cuz you can move around, if you see a cool shot, you don't have to waste a turn to tele and maybe get hit, a nice bank get ruined etc.
Yeah, come on and play my Stylish BnG ! As far as I can remember, many people loved it on WO. :]
Quote from: Komito on February 14, 2012, 07:43 AM
It's much more talented than a2b, when 2 great players meet.
For example, if me and darKz were to play each other it would more than likely turn into a banking war, because we can notch perfect without missing if it's unanchored, making it harder to hit, than normal BnG.
Are you saying this is what is lacking in current bng as in this is a good thing?
I think banking wars would be amazing and that can happen in current bng without the creation of a new scheme that doesn't prompt learning a nice style and variation of shots.
As i keep saying throughout my posts... make clear views about what is right and wrong, don't be affaird to bank, hide and use griders or teleport behind a worm.. These things used to happen in older versions of bng's.. playing this way is fine and avoid the problem of notching and 'cheap' stlying because you are creating a culture that promotes more tactical placements and shot selection.
If the latest sports car has a problem and its not going aswell as expected, it isnt destoried and built again designed on the ford model T.
French policy should be applied to BnG: if you can notch you're guilty unless you yourself can prove otherwise, failure to do so will see you suspended from playing BnG for two seasons and stripped of any trophies you might have achieved in regards to the scheme.
Quote from: darKz on February 14, 2012, 04:50 PM
Quote from: ShyGuy on February 14, 2012, 03:56 PM
speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?
If I'm not mistaken that's because Elite and Team17 had ranked channels back in 2000-ish where rope knocking was disabled by default, much like in #PartyTime. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Didn't bother reading Maciejs post btw, it's most likely just crap anyway.
I totally agree with u shy
I totally agree with u darkz
@avi and crazy
Of course my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to TUS league, don't U think I'm aware of that?
But I ain't talking about the league. U have forgot that this game ain't only about TUS league, there's a bunch of ppl that don't play it. The thing that bugs me is the idea to completely replace current BnG with nrBnG here and imo that would affect completely way of playing BnG on Wnet, not only TUS league. Imo in a long term it would downgrade quality and needed skills for the scheme. New players will never develop crucial skills for BnG if they were allowed to constantly throw 4sec fp repeaters, straight zooks and sitters and only play ftw. Yes, they will develop the skill in some other way, but BnG as it is now would be crippled. And Crazy, it's not just the "current scheme". It's a scheme that have been played for the last 6 years as much as I'm playing, and a few years before that as I know.. Is 6 or 8 years smth that's new and current? I don't get it, U and avi are talking like I'm playing it for 3 months. Am I a fool to protest when someone wants to kill a scheme that I play and enjoy for 6 years?
And yes avi, there's more culture in BnG in last 6 years then there's culture from 2001-2004 when U were hitting your opponents with straight zooks and zero skills at it. I was not there back then, but ppl that was have told me on which level was BnG at the time, it was a big pile of shit comparing it to the current BnG skill quallity, really nothing to be proud of.
the funny thing is, you still have no idea wtf your talking about...
im just going to nod and smile.
Quote from: Ramone on February 14, 2012, 07:21 PM
@avi and crazy
Imo in a long term it would downgrade quality and needed skills for the scheme. New players will never develop crucial skills for BnG if they were allowed to constantly throw 4sec fp repeaters, straight zooks and sitters and only play ftw.
exactly what other schemes require hitting an enemy with a nade that explodes right on impact? grenades in real life aren't meant to be thrown to explode right on impact, and rarely in worms do you have to do that... I know using real life nades is a poor comparison, but come on, what you're saying is totally untrue. you bank and bounce nades in way more schemes than you do exploding them on impact.
There should be another topic for NrBnG brainstorming. Without making slips in the speaking, nothing about history, only ideas for the NrBnG scheme.
If it's done, let's have a vote to see how much % of the community want the change.
Or else, it becames only trash.
There should be a forum where only level headed and smart people can discuss things such as this.
Quote from: Dub-c on February 14, 2012, 11:57 PM
There should be a forum where only level headed and smart people can discuss things such as this.
elitism of intelligence online is as fruitful as cart-wheeling on the f@#!in moon (ie not much XD )
just wear your imaginary idiot-filter and walk the treacherous lands of the internets my friend :P
Quote from: avirex on February 14, 2012, 08:53 PM
the funny thing is, you still have no idea wtf your talking about...
im just going to nod and smile.
Naaah, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
U just don't have enough brains to understand it, as always..
It's all fine..
@shy,
that's a stupidest comparison ever made.
i agree
Quote from: Maciej on February 14, 2012, 04:44 PM
And ye, it's so boring... let ppl use 5 sec nade each turn, the first hit person will never get out of the hole which will be done by granades this way (or they will have to move each turn, again and again)
It's not us who have problem, but you, mr Best who needs changes, but at once is not going to play league anymore, so pathetic (ah, and few unskilled noobs, but who the f@#! care about them)
For starters Maciej, if you had bothered to read my post I explained that using 5s nade each turn you are more likely to lose, with unanchored NrBnG, it's the simplest thing to avoid this, and like I said about you not paying attention, again you have proved this with your typical ignorance, I already said, more than 3 times now, that I would start playing Leagues again if NrBnG was accepted, I've already played a BnG clanner with cFc due to all the excitement, and I am not the 1st, or only person to request NrBnG, I have joined a que of about 20+ at least over the years.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2012, 05:36 PM
Are you saying this is what is lacking in current bng as in this is a good thing?
I don't get you mate, either way, I guess my answer to "what is lacking" in my opinion would be the freedom do play how you want and not be called cruel things by elitist wankers (such as what I used to be).
Quote from: Ramone on February 14, 2012, 07:21 PMThe thing that bugs me is the idea to completely replace current BnG with nrBnG here and imo that would affect completely way of playing BnG on Wnet, not only TUS league. Imo in a long term it would downgrade quality and needed skills for the scheme. New players will never develop crucial skills for BnG if they were allowed to constantly throw 4sec fp repeaters, straight zooks and sitters and only play ftw. Yes, they will develop the skill in some other way, but BnG as it is now would be crippled. And Crazy, it's not just the "current scheme". It's a scheme that have been played for the last 6 years as much as I'm playing, and a few years before that as I know.. Is 6 or 8 years smth that's new and current? I don't get it, U and avi are talking like I'm playing it for 3 months. Am I a fool to protest when someone wants to kill a scheme that I play and enjoy for 6 years?
Ramone, how could it possibly downgrade quality and needed skills when you are adding insane variety and tactics as a possibility? Have you ever tried this scheme? For example, your "cool shots" can beat simple players, only because you have rules that protect you from basic shots, basic shots that no offence, but you suck at in regards to consistency, you would lose more games in NrBnG than you would a2b, this is just a guess, I may be wrong, but I am very confident in what I just said and I know it would be extremely difficult for you to prove me wrong.
Why are you so scared of "easy shots"? If they are so easy, then shouldn't you be able to do them? It's natural you automatically assume NrBnG will consist of repeats etc, and to an extent you are right, people will try this, there are some players who would do 1 shot an entire game to beat a noob that has never played before, but if that person tried that shit on me, they would get annihilated, I would hide under some tree they need to have knowledge of how to use the grenades afterbounces with max bounce etc to hit me, knowing if they DO hit me, the chances are it will be less than 50% damage, unless they get EXTREMELY lucky, now, assuming they missed, I can now come out a bit and hit them, and now I have the lead, if they try it again the same thing will happen, why? Because I know how to "trick BnG", so you are wrong Ramone, this would make BnG more skillful, more trickshots with the best players.
Think about it, some "lame" shot players might make the playoffs, but will get crushed by those who truly know how to use the grenade, any style, anywhere, any chance.
You are just scared of change and I don't blame you, I was the same way once, and WAY more passionate about BnG/trick shots/fair play than you or anyone in b2b.
Just as an experiment, why don't you host some NrBnG's, against complete noobs, they will try some easy shots, but after a few games with a "lamer" watch how they change their style once they realise that it doesn't work against a true BnG player, trust me, cuz if they don't they are stupid and will more than likely lose, and if you make the PO's you will be able to have your nice games with the other nice players. And if you are not good enough to beat a "lamer" then guess you are the one who needs to improve your skill huh?
In fact Ramone, "trick shots" are the ones that actually bore me, especially when most of the people who think they own at trick shots take multiple attempts and hit less than 10% in a whole game, that's pathetic, not skill.
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 08:14 AMIn fact Ramone, "trick shots" are the ones that actually bore me, especially when most of the people who think they own at trick shots take multiple attempts and hit less than 10% in a whole game, that's pathetic, not skill.
How dare you say this ?
Should I remind you we used to play that kind of games ? Where we were hitting so few times by trying hard and funny trick shots.
A guy missing his shots can find himself pathetic, but another people can't tell the same thing to him (or by a joking way).
You became pretty good at BnG, we can't lie on this, but you can't insult other people who are trying to.
I mean you can, but you won't have me on your side.
Atm, I need multiple attempts to hit a single 3sec nade. But back in the days, I used to be pretty good at this scheme mistaken with the current BnG.
And you'll never find me insulting a guy from being bad and/or trying to improve.
Ab, I ain't insulting anyone, I am just telling it exactly how it is, it would be insulting if it were a lie, it's the truth, prove me wrong?
Ramone is my friend, so are you, I know our history, and our friendship, and that counts for that, but this is another matter.
And about 3s, and anything else, the more you play, the better you get, no excuses.
Komo, I don't know those people who think they own at trick shots, but miss 90%. Who are you talking about? Can you name them? I'm really curious, because I'm pretty sure, that no one in b2b would say he owns with trick shots, but of course love trying them. In my eyes, and I think most of b2b members would agree, missing a nice shot 9 times to hit it for 10th doesn't look worse than to hit a basic shot at first try.
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 10:46 AM
Komo, I don't know those people who think they own at trick shots, but miss 90%. Who are you talking about? Can you name them? I'm really curious, because I'm pretty sure, that no one in b2b would say he owns with trick shots, but of course love trying them. In my eyes, and I think most of b2b members would agree, missing a nice shot 9 times to hit it for 10th doesn't look worse than to hit a basic shot at first try.
Anyone can attempt a trick shot, and hit it eventually, not everyone can outwit their opponent in NrBnG, test me?
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 11:00 AM
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 10:46 AM
Komo, I don't know those people who think they own at trick shots, but miss 90%. Who are you talking about? Can you name them? I'm really curious, because I'm pretty sure, that no one in b2b would say he owns with trick shots, but of course love trying them. In my eyes, and I think most of b2b members would agree, missing a nice shot 9 times to hit it for 10th doesn't look worse than to hit a basic shot at first try.
Anyone can attempt a trick shot, and hit it eventually, not everyone can outwit their opponent in NrBnG, test me?
So what? You are totally missing my point. I'm not against nrbng, but against your attitude towards those who doesn't care so much about the win. Or else, you didn't answer my question.
What point Prank? You haven't even made a point, I have...
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 12:56 PM
What point Prank? You haven't even made a point, I have...
Why did you quote me then? :O
Why did you start to talk about how good you are?
I did make a point, but you missed it and jumped on a shadow.
You said there are people who think they own at trick shots but they miss 90%, and can't hit a simple shot. You said that's pathetic. You said that to Ramone, remember? My point was that b2b members aren't like that, because we don't think we own with trick shots. Gosh, why do I have to write this all again, on a freaking phone..
So I ask again: who are those ppl you are talking about?
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 11:00 AM
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 10:46 AM
Komo, I don't know those people who think they own at trick shots, but miss 90%. Who are you talking about? Can you name them? I'm really curious, because I'm pretty sure, that no one in b2b would say he owns with trick shots, but of course love trying them. In my eyes, and I think most of b2b members would agree, missing a nice shot 9 times to hit it for 10th doesn't look worse than to hit a basic shot at first try.
Anyone can attempt a trick shot, and hit it eventually, not everyone can outwit their opponent in NrBnG, test me?
Anyone can attempt, not everyone can minimise the failage factor to a minimum. Its very easy to spot difference in complex shot that was planned missing by those few pixels than multiple attempts without real sense. Its impossible being a human to hit perfectly complex shots whenever you want, even if you know how grenade behaves in every situation. Most of the time even robot wont be able to do so, coz of those few pixels difference. And relating to "that's pathetic, not skill" - you better hit the desk with your forehead, not enjoying it anymore? Leave it for others who love the game for such possibilities. Also, how many times did you try 1 shot being unlikely possible for 20 times, even asking your opponent to skip x consecutive turns coz you wanted it to hit badly?
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 08:14 AM
I already said, more than 3 times now, that I would start playing Leagues again if NrBnG was accepted
ye, we will change league rules because we miss you so much... No, we don't and won't. Drama
lol at bng drama. i know komo can defend himself but this posts are just 2 unfair towards him.
all he said is: nrbng is the best solution because:
- everyone is free to shoot however they want
- on good maps you got no chance with "lame shots"
- through beeing unanchored you can do alot of more trickshots
in fact: this scheme supports the b2b art fraction as well as the 100% league succes fraction.
maciej wrote something about he learned all this shots and get good and dont want to get rocked with lame shots now.
komo countered: maciej and followers just can do some basic shots and think they own cause they try a trick shot every holy time.
in not a single way komo named b2b or the style your a playing, so i dont get what you want from him.
kurwa ale wy pojebani jesteście
u got to hide something maciej? or why you are insulting in polish?
I started to explain something in english once again, but I see few dims won't understand it anyway, I'm tired of it so just f@#! it.
Maciej, and everyone else complaining about this, go play a couple NRBnGs and experience the difference, it's not as bad as you're thinking, not at all.
I can't take anyone serious on this matter when they haven't even played NRBnG.
Has anyone noticed the more popular and successful schemes have little to no rules? Has anyone noticed the only people against any of this is the newer generation players?
Are there some trends here? or not so much?
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 01:18 PM
I did make a point, but you missed it and jumped on a shadow.
You said there are people who think they own at trick shots but they miss 90%, and can't hit a simple shot. You said that's pathetic. You said that to Ramone, remember?
Did I lie about something? Did I say something that isn't true, please, by all means, PROVE ME WRONG, or shutup, now, you are a very good friend, but you are being a bit stupid, sorry...
I am not insulting anyone directly, I am merely speaking what is the truth, why can't you handle that?
Quote from: lacoste on February 15, 2012, 01:28 PM
Anyone can attempt, not everyone can minimise the failage factor to a minimum.
Yes they can, it's called practise and caring, lacoste, wtf? If you hit after 2/3 attempts, then you obviously aren't one of the people I am talking about, why take offence?
Just because I said trick shots are the ones that bore me the most, doesn't mean I don't still like them, they just do not impress me anymore, i've seen it all before, it is more impressive to me being able to beat people in a serious match, when it matters more.
And this is exactly what "trick BnG" leads to, an oversized ego, just listen to you elitists, it's so cringy, I used to talk just like you.
EDIT: coste, in trick shots funners it's much, much, MUCH easier to hit successful trick shots, there is no pressure, your opponent is missing you alot so that takes pressure off as well, try doing it in clanners/1v1 league games AND win at the same time, I do the occasional trick shot in serious games, and I have a surprisingly successful 1st hit ratio because I am not trying to force trick shots.
For me, trick shots are most impressive when you hit with a 3s, push your opponent, they tele, hit with a 5s LG, they tele, THEN you do a trick shot, it hits 1st time, you look like a complete legend, the fans go wild, AHHHHHHHHH !, for example...
Edit: People watching a trick shot match are actually more bored than watching a fast paced high hitting League match, wanna take a vote? Obviously watching something like b2b video, is obviously beautiful as well, don't get me wrong, I do fully support your love of BnG, but this is a f@#!ing League, it's a god damn League and it's embarrasing the ridiculous rules and bad treatment players get when they just wanna throw some extra fuse shot etc, it's harder than it looks to be successful at that, especially in unanchored BnG.
Anyway, are you here to argue against NrBnG, support it, or argue with me?
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 04:06 PMDid I lie about something? Did I say something that isn't true, please, by all means, PROVE ME WRONG, or shutup, now, you are a very good friend, but you are being a bit stupid, sorry...
I am not insulting anyone directly, I am merely speaking what is the truth, why can't you handle that?
So you label people who "think they own" and try and practice trick shots with a low hit ratio as "pathetic".....still care to name any of these people?? I am also curious as to who they are.
Then you get all defensive and say you're not insulting anyone directly. No, you're insulting people indirectly. Still it's not very good man.
Then it appears from other posters that you were indeed one of those pathetic people in an earlier time.
Then you say this....
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 04:06 PMAnd this is exactly what "trick BnG" leads to, an oversized ego, just listen to you elitists, it's so cringy, I used to talk just like you.
Oh man, that's SOOO cringy the way you say that dude. So patronising and egotistical.
Aggggggghhhhhhh.
I do agree that nrbng is more competitive than the current bng (with appropiate maps only, tho). What I don't accept is the way you handle those who like bng the other way.
Ok, you know what? I say there aren't any people who think they own with trick shots, but hit only after about 10 tries and can't hit simple shots. Now you prove me wrong or take back a little.
*Nice thinking, Cue!
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 04:53 PM
I do agree that nrbng is more competitive than the current bng (with appropiate maps only, tho). What I don't accept is the way you handle those who like bng the other way.
Ok, you know what? I say there aren't any people who think they own with trick shots, but hit only after about 10 tries and can't hit simple shots. Now you prove me wrong or take back a little.
They still can play that way if they choose, it's not like suddenly the whole worlds going to know only 1 shot, don't be scared lol, people will still generally play how they already do, the way they enjoy.
Cue/Prank, why do you need names, it's almost as if you both have some sort of sick desire to witness drama and insulting. I said I am not insulting anyone directly, I am saying exactly what is true, if you can't handle that, and call it indirectly, or feel I am trying to be egotistical, then suit yourself, but I am not, I tell the truth and I don't care what it looks like to anyone else, if I am wrong, then prove it, if you can't, then stop trying to argue with a persons personality and argue with their words.
Just admit that you were either talking about b2b, or just talking bullshit (well, if you were talking about b2b, you were wrong too). I can defend my mates and myself, right?
No, I don't have any proofs, but you don't have anything against my suspicion either.
Oh, and btw, you didn't say you're not insulting anyone
directly. You said that you don't insult anyone.
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 09:52 AM
[...] I ain't insulting anyone, I am just telling it exactly how it is [...]
Prankster, the key word I said is "anyone" which obviously means if you meet the requirements of what I said, then you are one of those people, I am not singling anyone, or any group out, you are so paranoid.
Everything Komo says makes me cringe. Komo you are being a righteous c@#!. Don't confuse your opinion with truth
::)*rolls eyes*::)
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 05:25 PM
Prankster, the key word I said is "anyone" which obviously means if you meet the requirements of what I said, then you are one of those people, I am not singling anyone, or any group out, you are so paranoid.
I am not paranoid, just trying to get it right. Who do you call pathetic? Someone theoretical? How does that come into your argument? Since you were talking to Ramone, what else can I think of than that you are calling it on b2b? Because you are never wrong. But oh, this time you are wrong both ways.. Shit! End of the world!
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 08:14 AM
Ramone, how could it possibly downgrade quality and needed skills when you are adding insane variety and tactics as a possibility? Have you ever tried this scheme? For example, your "cool shots" can beat simple players, only because you have rules that protect you from basic shots, basic shots that no offence, but you suck at in regards to consistency, you would lose more games in NrBnG than you would a2b, this is just a guess, I may be wrong, but I am very confident in what I just said and I know it would be extremely difficult for you to prove me wrong.
Why are you so scared of "easy shots"? If they are so easy, then shouldn't you be able to do them? It's natural you automatically assume NrBnG will consist of repeats etc, and to an extent you are right, people will try this, there are some players who would do 1 shot an entire game to beat a noob that has never played before, but if that person tried that shit on me, they would get annihilated, I would hide under some tree they need to have knowledge of how to use the grenades afterbounces with max bounce etc to hit me, knowing if they DO hit me, the chances are it will be less than 50% damage, unless they get EXTREMELY lucky, now, assuming they missed, I can now come out a bit and hit them, and now I have the lead, if they try it again the same thing will happen, why? Because I know how to "trick BnG", so you are wrong Ramone, this would make BnG more skillful, more trickshots with the best players.
Think about it, some "lame" shot players might make the playoffs, but will get crushed by those who truly know how to use the grenade, any style, anywhere, any chance.
You are just scared of change and I don't blame you, I was the same way once, and WAY more passionate about BnG/trick shots/fair play than you or anyone in b2b.
Just as an experiment, why don't you host some NrBnG's, against complete noobs, they will try some easy shots, but after a few games with a "lamer" watch how they change their style once they realise that it doesn't work against a true BnG player, trust me, cuz if they don't they are stupid and will more than likely lose, and if you make the PO's you will be able to have your nice games with the other nice players. And if you are not good enough to beat a "lamer" then guess you are the one who needs to improve your skill huh?
In fact Ramone, "trick shots" are the ones that actually bore me, especially when most of the people who think they own at trick shots take multiple attempts and hit less than 10% in a whole game, that's pathetic, not skill.
U don't get me. U are talking about percentages, consistency, beating up other players, PO's and other shit. But U should know that I don't give a shit about competitive way of BnG playing. Especially not on tus league. Also, majority of b2b community have never gave a shit about competitive side of BnG, b2b as a community was born and raised on funners.. My enjoying in BnG is not in consistency, percentages and wins, it's in my wine that I'm drinking while playing, in conversations and laughs with friends, in playing relaxed and trying to do a nice shots.. That's all I need from it. And I understand that U got bored of it, so it's all fine, do what U wanna do, but don't try to break b2b and don't shit on b2b while U do it. At least be that much respectful and decent.
And I admit, I have nothing to do in this topic since I don't play tus league, I guess all that I wanted to say here is that thing above.
its funny how ramone and prankster are attacking komo...
you guys used 2 be the biggest komo wanna-bes on w:a hahaha
anyway, this thread has gone way off topic... ramone, im glad you realize you have nothing to do with this thread, ttyl.
i dont think it would be a bad idea to make nrbng a variation to the scheme, and the person picking the scheme can decide if he wants regular bng, or nrbng.... just like w2roper (which is becoming more and more popular) 8]
i know one things is for sure, with nrbng, it would be a shit ton less drama, and i think appeal to a wider variety of people... right now most people cringe at the thought of sitting through an entire game of bng, but with nrbng, i think it could be fun...
and im not sure why everyone says its gonna be less skill... its going to be more skill, bng now your shooting at the same exact spot every turn.... after my first turn i know my 3second angle, and after each low wind, i can remember it, and if i failed first time... each repeat wind will be a hit...
with unanchored bng you will not be able to memorize your angles and powers for each shot, because the worm will be constantly moving.. and unless your dumb enough to sit in the middle of a grenade hole... sitters will not be all that effective...
its obvious that the people that are against it, are the people that have no tried it (just like the w2roper thread)
they r only attacking komo because komo is being a f@#!ing twat
I never was a Komo-wannabe, only stand by his right. I understand nrbng, might even support it. But he doesn't let people to use their time, and treat them like shit, while can't admit when he pulls a wrong string in an argument. I admit I'm guilty in making this thread off-topic, but 1.: I've already said that nrbng would need a new topic; 2.: yea, this time I just didn't want to let him think that he's never wrong. Topic was full of crap already anyway and we still didn't discuss what the scheme should exactly be like. There were a few different ideas, what's up with them now? Well it looks like others doesn't care about this that much.. :)
Quote from: Prankster on February 15, 2012, 05:46 PM
I am not paranoid, just trying to get it right. Who do you call pathetic? Someone theoretical? How does that come into your argument? Since you were talking to Ramone, what else can I think of than that you are calling it on b2b?
Look exactly what I say, look closely, this is the last time I will talk about this:
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 08:14 AMbore me, especially when most of the people who think they own at trick shots take multiple attempts and hit less than 10% in a whole game, that's pathetic, not skill.
Did I call anyone pathetic? I'll answer that for you, no, I didn't, I said, thinking you are good because you hit one shot out of multiple attempts, is pathetic, not skill.
Quote from: Ramone on February 15, 2012, 11:35 PM
U don't get me. U are talking about percentages, consistency, beating up other players, PO's and other shit. But U should know that I don't give a shit about competitive way of BnG playing. Especially not on tus league. Also, majority of b2b community have never gave a shit about competitive side of BnG, b2b as a community was born and raised on funners.. My enjoying in BnG is not in consistency, percentages and wins, it's in my wine that I'm drinking while playing, in conversations and laughs with friends, in playing relaxed and trying to do a nice shots.. That's all I need from it. And I understand that U got bored of it, so it's all fine, do what U wanna do, but don't try to break b2b and don't shit on b2b while U do it. At least be that much respectful and decent.
I am talking about percentages, consistency, beating up other players, PO's and other shit, because this is a League which involves all of those things.
You brought b2b into this, not me, never forget that please.
Quote from: Husk on February 16, 2012, 07:21 AM
they r only attacking komo because komo is being a f@#!ing twat
Some people don't like the truth, tough luck.
I only said u were being a f@#!ing twat because I noticed a bit of contradiction in the air. And u calling pathetic everyone who try trickshots and fail them, but we try them because they r so much fun.
[ontopic]go nrbng trl season![/ontopic]
Well that sounds better at least.
Why is it so hard to discuss about a scheme without pouncing on each other? I'm not getting this.
Back to topic,
I don't have any problem with schemes getting changed. But what I see a lot, is that people wanna change it over theories which is a good start but why act on it when we could have many replays demonstrating how it would be? Going on, we have cups, tourneys, TRL (also I'm thinking about having a test league that kicks in whenever we have a new scheme to test) that the schemes can be tested on first.
That will give everybody much more clear view that prevents pulling each others' hair because of your point of views.
thanks mate, u damn sure found my weak spot (:
No, Komo, you look at your words. You are all about how important they are, the exact way you wrote them, so look at them.
You were not calling anyone pathetic only because there aren't any people who think they own /now you changed this to "think they are good", which is not the same, but whatever/ with trick shots. And if there aren't, your argument was nonsense.
The funniest thing is, that this isn't even a very important bit to this topic, you could have handled it with Ramone /or me/ so much easier! Admit you were wrong in any kind of way? No way, you want to think you are perfect so much that you can't let go the smallest thing because of what you should realize that you are not.
You will even deny this, because this way of thinking wouldn't be perfect, or am I wrong?
Anyway, MI, I have started a Cup for 1rBnG, hopefully it will be accepted and we can get a 1st impression from that :)
Id say lets finish the cup and then if activity will be satisfating we can make new topic and put everything on table. The test league proposal sounds good too since not everyone in tourney will have a chance to play enough games to decide anything. That would vouch for activity as well and tell if people really like it. Theres no hurry to push it into classic league / TRL too soon.
Quote from: Komito on February 16, 2012, 07:43 AM
Quote from: Komito on February 15, 2012, 08:14 AMbore me, especially when most of the people who think they own at trick shots take multiple attempts and hit less than 10% in a whole game, that's pathetic, not skill.
Did I call anyone pathetic? I'll answer that for you, no, I didn't, I said, thinking you are good because you hit one shot out of multiple attempts, is pathetic, not skill.
I missunderstood you. My bad. :-X
Now I do, I kinda agree with you. ^^'
Back to the topic, I guess Husk had a good proposition.
Putting it on TRL (or in TestLeague if you add it MI) is a great idea.
Mi, is it possible to ban people from a single thread.. Maybe when important topics come up, you should sticky them with a warning people will get named for being off topic or deuches...
Anyway nrbng would be nice.. After the w2roper season of course.. :)
Its getting old that people voice strong opinions about things they have never tried...
Heres a good analogy, its like people saying gay is a nasty thing, well spend one night with crazy before you make that opinion! He will surely change your mind 8)
Getting moderating rights for the topics you opened could be a solution.
Btw, avirex, do you know that from experience?
I wish hahaha
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 16, 2012, 08:24 AM
(also I'm thinking about having a test league that kicks in whenever we have a new scheme to test)
-hi ropa
-hi zorro
-wanna tus?
-no
-tlr?
-no
-tus clanner?
-no
-tus test league?
-yes
-really?
-no, why would I ever want to participate in a league that's basically tlr with a different scheme and no one wants to win?
-to help TUS!
-ah ok! wacl anyone?
you see, now would be a good time to implement the ban for this thread...
See you in a month
Quote from: ropa on February 16, 2012, 05:21 PM
See you in a month
THAT actually made me laugh. :D
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Back to the topic, I guess Husk had a good proposition.
Putting it on TRL (or in TestLeague if you add it MI) is a great idea.
That was lacoste not Husk lol.
Oh I missed that part lol, damn 2 in one day...
Quote from: Komito on February 16, 2012, 07:43 AM
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You brought b2b into this, not me, never forget that please.
Was it me or was it U?
Quote from: Ramone on February 16, 2012, 11:50 PM
Quote from: Komito on February 16, 2012, 07:43 AM
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You brought b2b into this, not me, never forget that please.
Was it me or was it U?
Bringing b2b into this particular discussion, was you.
Quote from: Komito on February 17, 2012, 12:47 AM
Quote from: Ramone on February 16, 2012, 11:50 PM
Quote from: Komito on February 16, 2012, 07:43 AM
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You brought b2b into this, not me, never forget that please.
Was it me or was it U?
Bringing b2b into this particular discussion, was you.
Before I did brought it into this particular discussion, and the
reason why I did brought it into this particular discussion is because U brought it
first into the tus shoutbox by saying "f@#! b2b.."
So I'm here to tell U: f@#! U for saying "f@#! b2b.."
Do U get it?
So at the end it was U who brought b2b into this, not me, never forget that please.
Ramone, stop outrightly lying, my drunken rant on TuS shoutbox last weekend has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with this thread, YOU brought b2b into THIS discussion, end of story.
Did I miss something or since when is Komo out of b2b? And why? Wasn't he the founder or something like that?
Lol.. Ramone you just said komo brought b2b up in this thread because you bring it to this thread from something he said on shout box. Your a f@#!ing genius kid, I swear..
Now lets try to get back on topic, and keep it there
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