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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: sm0k on March 17, 2013, 05:45 PM
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hey,
i gonna talk for whole l3x clan here. we were talkin on private and we dislike the idea about the new sheme rules. we think its just a bad way to handle the tries. it gonna destroy the classic league for one seasson. its nice that there a new ideas.. but we just thing this tries should get a new league or handle it with trl or something. we want the classic league and if the classic league (with standart rules) is gone, we dont see any point to play tus anymore. it's like goodbye tus for us. I was talking with few other friends/players and they see it the same way as we do. i think mods should find a way that evryone get happy with it. i didnt saw in forum a poll about any voting if peaple even wanna try the new rules. but even then.. its not fair against the other players. maybe make a new classic league with just the classic shemes: bng elite t17 shoppa roper rr. hysterie isnt a classic sheme but we can live with that. i dont rly know coz its not easy. but we think its a bad idea. well you guys can ignore us w/e - but we dont agree to it and wont play it.
greetz sm0k
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Do you have specific problems with the changes or only with the way they are presented?
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we dont have any problems with the rules, you can use them in free league or trl , np. but we just want classic rules for the classic league. we think classic leugue shoudnt be just changed of shemes and rules. well we think hysteria isnt needed there but we can live with it.
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What's the problem, sm0k? Let's see what schemes l3x usually plays... BnG (sg & inf teles are already used by almost every1), Roper (big difference for singles, but in clanners there are 2 worms per team already), Elite (only rope knocking), Hysteria (you never force sd), TTRR (+2 worms for good ropers is a good benefit).
You can stop playing singles, but I don't see why to stop playing clanners :)
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What's the problem, sm0k? Let's see what schemes l3x usually plays... BnG (sg & inf teles are already used by almost every1), Roper (big difference for singles, but in clanners there are 2 worms per team already), Elite (only rope knocking), Hysteria (you never force sd), TTRR (+2 worms for good ropers is a good benefit).
You can stop playing singles, but I don't see why to stop playing clanners :)
ropeknockin gonna destroy few of tactics. so 1st point we dont like.
2+ worms in ttrr.. well 3 worms are enough.. you should be good enough to do ur best with 3 worms.. more skill needed.
2 worms in roper single - another point we dont like.
static , its not just about me .. as i said , i talk for whole l3x clan.. and few of us play singles as well. and our picks depends wich members are online and what we are up to play, so keep it out - it have nothing to do with that topic.
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don't change f@#!ing rules ! everything is ok, but don't know why you are looking for something better..... ::)
2 worms in roper ? maybe 8 lol
5 worms to ttrr ? maybe 8 too ?
5 sec to sd in hysteria lol ? maybe 0 and let's play hysteria at tower race map.....
knocks i elite and t17 ? lol vn joke
new schemes to wxw and shoppa ? bitch pls
If we played wa 10 years on THIS rules to elite/t17 and old GOOD schemes to shoppa and wxw and everything was all right so why the f@#! you wanna f@#! up this with this shit ?!
no f@#!ing sense...
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don't change f@#!ing rules ! everything is ok, but don't know why you are looking for something better..... ::)
2 worms in roper ? maybe 8 lol
5 worms to ttrr ? maybe 8 too ?
5 sec to sd in hysteria lol ? maybe 0 and let's play hysteria at tower race map.....
knocks i elite and t17 ? lol vn joke
new schemes to wxw and shoppa ? bitch pls
If we played wa 10 years on THIS rules to elite/t17 and old GOOD schemes to shoppa and wxw and everything was all right so why the f@#! you wanna f@#! up this with this shit ?!
no f@#!ing sense...
nice chels , actuelly i wanted to write that agressiv too ^^ but then i would get ignored or banned ^^
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don't change f@#!ing rules ! everything is ok, but don't know why you are looking for something better..... ::)
2 worms in roper ? maybe 8 lol
5 worms to ttrr ? maybe 8 too ?
5 sec to sd in hysteria lol ? maybe 0 and let's play hysteria at tower race map.....
knocks i elite and t17 ? lol vn joke
new schemes to wxw and shoppa ? bitch pls
If we played wa 10 years on THIS rules to elite/t17 and old GOOD schemes to shoppa and wxw and everything was all right so why the f@#! you wanna f@#! up this with this shit ?!
no f@#!ing sense...
nice chels , actuelly i wanted to write that agressiv too ^^ but then i would get ignored or banned ^^
thx, I know but i don't f@#!ing care, better be warned/muted and play old GOOD tus league then can post and don't play tus coz retarded rules :-\
+1 for you smokie :-*
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but u got the point. we are playing with this rules since 10+ years and now they wanna change them. its not a classic league then , so they can rename it as well. i supose if this problem wont get clear and they keep the new rules. its gonna be just a matter of time till a new league realized with orginal classic shemes.
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but u got the point. we are playing with this rules since 10+ years and now they wanna change them. its not a classic league then , so they can rename it as well. i supose if this problem wont get clear and they keep the new rules. its gonna be just a matter of time till a new league realized with orginal classic shemes.
ye, they can call it retarded league... ::)
or ALMOST clasic league
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post of chelsea is exactly my quote from another topic xD
Ill write something with a solid point.
There is blocking on elite, and its very tactical. with knocking you can just unblock yourself and plop etc. I can agree with knocking on t17 tho
what is the sense of 5 worms on ttrr? I dont see the logic, why we trying to raise number of worms, why not make it less? 2 worms, 1 worm, pretty much challengive and for real pros. I remember tourneys with 1 worm, on rrkit if Im right, and mostly pros played there because it was harder then normal ttrr.
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I agree with smok, anyway we were talking about it today, so I know what's going on.
I like all tus futures, it's great site which still grows up and adds new possibilities. But from the start I didn't like classic league here. As long as there was xtc I prefred to play xtc because there was everything simple - classic league, with classic schemes. Here were added intermediate and hysteria. Then change in team17 scheme, now everything changes. WE DON'T HAVE CLASSIC LEAGUE ANYMORE. Jokes in roper, elite and t17, wxw is completly f@#!ed up. I don't care about hysteria because it's not even classic scheme, lol. All olschoolers are inactive and don't care about worms anymore. Noobs came and you do for them whatever they wish.
I don't agree with this. And I don't care if there is poll about changes or not as it wasn't now. Classic league must be classic. I stop playing TUS from new season, single and clanners.
Sorry inf, but I hope you all guys agree with me and stop playing either. We have our own league, we have cups and tournaments. We won't be bored. Don't let classic league die and wait in peace for good times come back!
I hope more people join us, I'm with you l3x!
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ye maciej , we were talkin in l3x about an intern league too for the next seasson. till yet there were just small changes in the classic rules, some of them was good , some of them wasnt that good, but till yet evry1 could live with it.. just the big changes f@#!s evrything up.
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haha you guys are funny, you know u can still play by old schemes if both sides agreexD but yeah rather playing attention whore and crying xD
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smok, there was huge change with adding hysteria.
but if we let it go, it will stay... Don't be silly
that's why this protest
JOIN US PEOPLE
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haha you guys are funny, you know u can still play by old schemes if both sides agreexD but yeah rather playing attention whore and crying xD
there stand nowehere that u are still allowed to play by old rules .. and whats about if u ask for tus , you play ur own pick , then ur opponent pick roper by new rules? and u dont agree to it .. its like u give him a free win .. post something usefull next time..
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smok, there was huge change with adding hysteria.
but if we let it go, it will stay... Don't be silly
that's why this protest
JOIN US PEOPLE
well hysteria isnt a classic sheme .. but 80% of tus member slikes hyst.. so i dont see it that badly to add it to classic , even if i dislike hyst. but ok we can live witht hat
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thx, I know but i don't f@#!ing care, better be warned/muted and play old GOOD tus league then can post and don't play tus coz retarded rules :-\
How high do you think the chances are that we would listen to you if you think you're going to be banned?
"I disagree with everything he says, so ban! But he also makes sense, so let's do what he says."
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sm0k thought about that, why didn't you?
Rope knock destroys some tactics, but it also creates tactics in elite and T17.
You also talk about "original classic schemes", but roper as it's played now is nothing like the real classic roper. Same applies to classic shopper, which had banana bomb and such in crates. T17 used to have unlimited girders. Forts used to be a classic scheme, WxW didn't even exist until near the end of cl2k if I recall correctly.
Leagues change all the time. And every time, people protest against the changes without even giving the change a try.
The sad truth about leagues is that you can't please every one. Just look at hysteria. At any rate, if you read the announcement, you'll see that MI has made a couple of changes definite (more worms in TTRR, infinite teleport/shotgun) and the rest is experimental - let's see what works. If it works, then you've got an improvement of the league, if it doesn't improve, then it's back to business.
Have you acutally tried the schemes with these changes?
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smok, there was huge change with adding hysteria.
but if we let it go, it will stay... Don't be silly
that's why this protest
JOIN US PEOPLE
well hysteria isnt a classic sheme .. but 80% of tus member slikes hyst.. so i dont see it that badly to add it to classic , even if i dislike hyst. but ok we can live witht hat
60%, there was pool about it. Worth to add votes were given mostly by weak newcomers
Anyway, I would be happy coming back to some older league, no one complained about classic league, bucause it was holy. Tus rapes this holiness.
EDIT: Darkone, I would happily come back to league: ttrr, roper, shopper, elite, t17 and bng - no wxw and hysteria
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I haven't read this drama, but what is wrong with season 32? It's only good that we can try new stuff.
Chill out it's only 60 days >_> .
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Worth to add votes were given mostly by weak newcomers
Since when do you have access to the TUS database?
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well d1, as i said , we leave tus as long this rules are active. and i show you antoher way to test it - like with a trl seasson. as you see l3x clan isnt the only one that dont want this rules, you see ppl here that dislikes it too. im not a hater .. but to try big changes u cant close a classic sheme., cmon. ye chelsea actin here like a child - but i can understand him since im angry coz of it too. ppl gonna leave tus when seasson 32 starts.. and when we get bored one of us gonna make new league.. maybe not that good as tus.. but still we gonna get our fun.
ye rules always changes a bit.. but there are always just small changes .. like 7griders in t17.. ye tus sheems for shoppa and wxw are good that way as they are now.. the old shemes had bananas.. there we had a good change. im not blaming hysteria - i said we can live with that, so letz stop talking about this.. back to topic. i already wrote in a post here why i dislike the new rules.
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Worth to add votes were given mostly by weak newcomers
Since when do you have access to the TUS database?
as I said oldschoolers are mostly inactive/stopped playing/come and go, you don't have to be genius to deduce it
JOIN US PEAOPLE, DON'T LET CLASSIC LEAGUE DIE
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Please don't agitate people to boycott scheme changes, it's only your personal decision, we can live without Chelsea, Maciej and other guys. I hope other people who are not sure yet will give it a try.
This topic deserves to be closed or moved to l3x private forum.
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JOIN US PEAOPLE, DON'T LET CLASSIC LEAGUE DIE
I`m sure you didn't even test any scheme from 32 Season.
If we played wa 10 years on THIS rules to elite/t17 and old GOOD schemes to shoppa and wxw and everything was all right so why the f@#! you wanna f@#! up this with this shit ?!
As you can see on main page : Classic Season #32 goes experimental! .
As I said it's only 60 days of experiment. If you disagree with these rules just stop f@#!ing play for this 2 months. What's the problem.
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Please don't agitate people to boycott scheme changes, it's only your personal decision, we can leave without Chelsea, Maciej and other guys. I hope other people who are not sure yet will give it a try.
This topic deserves to be closed or moved to l3x private forum.
i guess when there are 30+ ppl that dont agree to something - i guess monds cant just ignore that? or is it ok to ignore a bigger group?
and ints not just a l3x group that dont like the whole stuff. i said that few freinds of us see it the same way, and in this topic u find ppl that actuelly agree to us. so whats the point to move this topic?
kyho ye, its aexperminet. but on this time u are not able to play a classic league fopr 60 days. u can just try something new and f@#! ur own standings with that.
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haha sm0k it written in the same post where u can find all the changes:
Also these changes are the default settings, meaning upon disagreement these settings must be played. If 2 players like to play the old way, then can.
this means u can play your beloved classic league like always with all your 30 + friends who think the same. isnt this nice? nothing changes xD next time just read more careful ;)
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Well to think that making schemes obviously fairer and much better doesn't fit to classic league is strange.
The only way I would agree is if the confusion is too big and one of them doesn't know which scheme is played (for example Shopper-Variations: Powers, weapons and crates and other settings) under a wrong named pick.
But the idea to create a "Season 32R" besides the original "Season 32" could maybe be an good idea. Then all are happy and some can try to win even in the classic league with too big advantages because of luck again.
The mentioned rule changes are all very good and thought over already, so I don't see a real probleme there. Just don't make a scheme worse (like adding cows and nanas (or bungee :D) to the standard shopper scheme), that would be too bad!
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I predict 20 pages of drama
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haha sm0k it written in the same post where u can find all the changes:
Also these changes are the default settings, meaning upon disagreement these settings must be played. If 2 players like to play the old way, then can.
this means u can play your beloved classic league like always with all your 30 + friends who think the same. isnt this nice? nothing changes xD next time just read more careful ;)
u still didnjt get my point.
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haha you guys are funny, you know u can still play by old schemes if both sides agreexD but yeah rather playing attention whore and crying xD
/topic =)
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As I said it's only 60 days of experiment. If you disagree with these rules just stop f@#!ing play for this 2 months. What's the problem.
ok, we will play 2 months tel, trl and free league clanners....
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As I said it's only 60 days of experiment. If you disagree with these rules just stop f@#!ing play for this 2 months. What's the problem.
ok, we will play 2 months tel, trl and free league clanners....
and the problem is? =)
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Well the whole thing is looking good to me. I'm bombarded with opinions all the time. Chat, PM, forum posts etc etc. If I resist to change schemes, I get accused for having no balls. If I do act for changes, people protest against. It's like whatever the decision is, I'll be accused for something. Ain't that neat? :)
All the changes on TUS, always had the agreement option. Team17 has been with 7 girders for years now, but still if 2 players agree on the unlimited version, they can play it that way. 7-girder is the default one in case of disagreements. Even you can avoid a scheme like Hysteria via agreement. (only not in PO)
If you don't like these changes and you think there are many supporting you, then play the old way. Play 3 worms TTRR. Nobody's gonna stop you. Your only problem would be playing with people who want to try the new thing.
It also must be mentioned that you are reading too much into these changes. There's no blocking in Elite, it doesn't matter whether rope knocking is allowed or not. You can pass a blocking worm in #PT, your worm would just slide through the other worm, still no block.
I've played 5-worm TTRR a lot, it is the same as 3 and a lot of fails. Simply 5 worms makes you overconfident that you have enough turns to try and most of the time the result is the same.
I am trying to make most of people satisfied. The experimental season will just be something for all to actually see their changes in action, otherwise we'll have theoretical flaws for eternity and people constantly nagging.
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anyway.. i said everything i were up, i dont see a point here to discuesse here anymore, i ll just anser of a mods replay.
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kyho, read topic from start to join it, as I said, I stop playing league for 32nd season as a protest
And I don't care if it's experimental, because if no one complains it would stay and I don't like it.
I didn't try and I'm not going to try - wxw is no longer wxw, I don't like hysteria anyway, I know how to play ttrr with even 8 worms, I know how to knock but I find it idiotic, and I used to play roper in clanners, so f@#! off from me because you make me mad, with your 'briliant' ideas kyho.
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I havent a right oppinion about the experiment. I just think running something without tests or at least some poll is a risky. But i liked the changes in a context.
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Well the whole thing is looking good to me. I'm bombarded with opinions all the time. Chat, PM, forum posts etc etc. If I resist to change schemes, I get accused for having no balls. If I do act for changes, people protest against. It's like whatever the decision is, I'll be accused for something. Ain't that neat? :)
All the changes on TUS, always had the agreement option. Team17 has been with 7 girders for years now, but still if 2 players agree on the unlimited version, they can play it that way. 7-girder is the default one in case of disagreements. Even you can avoid a scheme like Hysteria via agreement. (only not in PO)
If you don't like these changes and you think there are many supporting you, then play the old way. Play 3 worms TTRR. Nobody's gonna stop you. Your only problem would be playing with people who want to try the new thing.
It also must be mentioned that you are reading too much into these changes. There's no blocking in Elite, it doesn't matter whether rope knocking is allowed or not. You can pass a blocking worm in #PT, your worm would just slide through the other worm, still no block.
I've played 5-worm TTRR a lot, it is the same as 3 and a lot of fails. Simply 5 worms makes you overconfident that you have enough turns to try and most of the time the result is the same.
I am trying to make most of people satisfied. The experimental season will just be something for all to actually see their changes in action, otherwise we'll have theoretical flaws for eternity and people constantly nagging.
mi i belive evry word you say, and ye u make here a really good job. im not blaming you or any mod.
but with this new rules.. u ask for tus .. and one of u wanna old and the other new rulesm, so u have to play the new rules .. and thats suck.. ok u can talk with ur opponent before u start the 1st pick about this.. but same for playoffs.. if one wanna new rules so u have to play it this way. it just suck.. few tus games dont gonna even start coz ppl gonna want diffrent rules. and no one here wer blaming 7 griders in t17 ^^
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You can pass a blocking worm in #PT, your worm would just slide through the other worm, still no block.
You are wrong. Thats how works /rs. On #PT your worm still will be blocked, but you wont be able to knock opponent worm
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MI, do you know what republic is? There are set rules who no one can change for years. Everyone is stabilized. Here (on tus) we go to democracy, the stupidest system ever, where every idiot has a vote.
I prefer republic (even much monarchy btw)
And as I said, if we let it go, and no one complains it would stay for longer, maybe for ever... I'm looking for new (old) league for next season.
PEOPLE JOIN US, STOP PLAYING FROM NEXT SEASON, DON'T LET CLASSIC LEAGUE DIE
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Anyway, I would be happy coming back to some older league, no one complained about classic league, bucause it was holy.
So if I understand you correctly you would like bungeerace, fly shopper, battlerace, wascar, fort in tus classic league ?
Yes we could pick it in WL days. so please:
Don't be silly
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hahaha
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PANIC PANICC PAAANICC
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I'm glad you managed to post your thoughts without going Chelsea/Maciej on us, sm0k :)
I can see one problem with people boycotting the experimental season, though: in the end, we're going to see whether the changes are good or not. If people opposing the change don't play, then their opinion on these changes is going to mean diddly squat (so about the same as we currently value opinions of people who go apeshit over this).
We're going to want a good evaluation of what happens with these changes. More players = more accuracy.
as I said oldschoolers are mostly inactive/stopped playing/come and go, you don't have to be genius to deduce it
Then votes against hysteria were either made by people who don't play or who are also weak.
The only way you can actually know is by sending a mass PM to all of TUS to ask for their votes and then check their ratings. Until you do that, you are making assumption after assumption after assumption, which means you're using your opinion as a mold for what is true, which means you're an arrogant git.
edit: you guys post too quickly. If you can get in 5 new posts before I get one in myself, it means you're either not thinking for a long time before you post or not reading what the other guy has to say.
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MI, do you know what republic is? There are set rules who no one can change for years. Everyone is stabilized. Here (on tus) we go to democracy, the stupidest system ever, where every idiot has a vote.
I prefer republic.
And as I said, if we let it go, and no one complains it would stay for longer, maybe for ever... I'm looking for new (old) league for next season.
PEOPLE JOIN US, STOP PLAYING FROM NEXT SEASON, DON'T LET CLASSIC LEAGUE DIE
find some1 that is that good as mi in php/html xd tell him to make new league and i ll join it ;p we re a bit f@#!ed.. if we get ignored here this rules gonna stand.. and gonna be hard to make new league, dont u think?
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Anyway, I would be happy coming back to some older league, no one complained about classic league, bucause it was holy.
So if I understand you correctly you would like bungeerace, fly shopper, battlerace, wascar, fort in tus classic league ?
Yes we could pick it in WL days.
I said older, not the oldest (which I don't even know), so please:
Don't be silly
Yes smok, I think if it's going like that, there will be found somebody to create competitive league.
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You are wrong. Thats how works /rs. On #PT your worm still will be blocked, but you wont be able to knock opponent worm
I'm talking about rope knocking, not walking. You can use rope to slide through worms in #PT. You can't knock them, but you can pass blocks.
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I'm glad you managed to post your thoughts without going Chelsea/Maciej on us, sm0k :)
I can see one problem with people boycotting the experimental season, though: in the end, we're going to see whether the changes are good or not. If people opposing the change don't play, then their opinion on these changes is going to mean diddly squat (so about the same as we currently value opinions of people who go apeshit over this).
We're going to want a good evaluation of what happens with these changes. More players = more accuracy.
as I said oldschoolers are mostly inactive/stopped playing/come and go, you don't have to be genius to deduce it
Then votes against hysteria were either made by people who don't play or who are also weak.
The only way you can actually know is by sending a mass PM to all of TUS to ask for their votes and then check their ratings. Until you do that, you are making assumption after assumption after assumption, which means you're using your opinion as a mold for what is true, which means you're an arrogant git.
edit: you guys post too quickly. If you can get in 5 new posts before I get one in myself, it means you're either not thinking for a long time before you post or not reading what the other guy has to say.
i make some toughs about the whole replays here. maybe there should be added some overall rules as well.
like. new rules gonna be just used if both players agree to it. if one of them wanna old rules so they have to play by old rules. this way the most of us gonna accept that whole thing. and same for playoffs. coz i dont think new rules should get more rights then the old ones, what you think d1?
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You don't get my point Maciej but it's allright. My point is that what for you was holy that no oldschool would ever speak about changing it is totally not true. Scheme have changed and evoluted a lot during the years. Even if it is true that the later trend was to minimize the number of scheme and to do a hunt against luck in scheme. Still they changed a lot. As said avirex in one of his post in proper/roper we have zook first which for example wasn't here in the previous FB league (please correct me if I am wrong but I'm quite sure one of the past league didn't have this). Yes, I understand it is hard to accept all these change at once but this is for the best.
On another topic, WL isn't the oldest league it was with tus in my opinion the two activest one. For lot of us when WL went down something broke in the game because it just wasn't as good as WL. That's why I took this example.
Finally, the all oldschool concept is just stupid if you ask me. Would you consider you or smok oldschool ? If yes, what am I when you see that I created TdC way before you started to play ? Or people like avirex, komo, anubis that has been here for way longer than you ? Should we consider you as an oldschool ?
Also, I've been around for way longer than mablak or random still I can happily admit that I know way less on this game physics than them. People like casso or chelsea that "in my basis" are not oldschool know way more about hysteria than me or most 'oldschool'. Finally, this league is not only for top player or oldschool. It is for everyone, so clearly any vote has the same weight.
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I think nothing will ever change then, sm0k. Simple maths, really. If 50% wants a certain change, but both parties have to agree, then the percentage of games that will be played with the new rules is 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.25
In clanners, it would be even more dramatic, considering all players would have to agree: 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.0625 = 6.25%
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I think nothing will ever change then, sm0k. Simple maths, really. If 50% wants a certain change, but both parties have to agree, then the percentage of games that will be played with the new rules is 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.25
In clanners, it would be even more dramatic, considering all players would have to agree: 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.0625 = 6.25%
ye sure, it gonna show how many ppl rly are interested to try it. but i still belive its not right to give new rule smore right then to old one since they are classic shemes. maciej had on one point right. many newbies voting in the pool and they dont even know the real classic rules.. so actuelly they decide wich shemes and rules goin to be in classic. and we dont see a point to keep playing tus anymore if the classic shemes with their old rules are gone. you cant ignore that. if some old guys come back to worms , they wont stand for long if they see the new league as well. i keep my mind and i dont agree to that. i dont have a problem with that rules.. but old rules should have more rights.
and i dont think classic shemes need new changes too. tus made them good as they are so far.. exactly shoppa and wxw sheme , the t17 sheme is good so far too. so the sheme changes were perfectly. since 10+ years we play the same classic shemes , maybe some shemes were changin a bit , but it was just small things.. but this changes evrything.
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This question has actually been asked a couple of times, but haven't seen it answered: have you actually tried these changes?
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This question has actually been asked a couple of times, but haven't seen it answered: have you actually tried these changes?
ye we did, but we prefer the old ones.
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Well... we prefer changes !!! and i officially start to protesting ur protest !
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I haven't read any post in this topic because it's too long, but I'd like to point out that there had been a constructive discussion before these changes were decided on. So your protest is a bit too late :)
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This thread is terrible. If you want to stage a real protest, put the time and effort into creating a new league like MI has. You can use whatever rules your heart desires.
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I think to successfully protest you actually need to play the schemes with the changes to reveal the negative effects compared to the old scheme rules. "I don't like it because it is new" is no constructive criticism, old scheme rules shouldn't have more rights, that's like saying I have more rights than most of the TUS players because I am older both in real life and in W:A. I will happily test these changes once they go live, see how they effect my experience and give feedback if it needs further tweaking or even roll back to the old scheme rules. And if I had to decide if my own personal fun is more important than the overall improvement of TUS I will gladly step back for a season and have them test the changes and/or adapt to it. I don't like Hyst, but I am willing to play it if I have no choice and can only try to reveal flaws in the scheme to convince more that it is no fun because of those flaws. That's just my opinion on this matter. :)
Edit: Typo in the Quotes. D:
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I dont agree too , because if the rules change in the next season only 10 players want for playing tus i think, I prefer that everything stays as this one
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Ohh... Everyone don't like any changes and everyone here says "i dont agree", "it sucks". >:( But did u something for tus by urself ? Many schemes are disbalanced, and all know it, dont say that you never lose coz your oponent had luck... So, we must try to change schemes to good way.
Oldschool ? It's looks like 1000 old womans says about their good time...
Sure, most easier play one shit for many times, than change something, sure, i too don't agree with something, but we just need to try
::)
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Maciej, you dont even know what your talking about...
your said things like the schemes have not been changed in 10 years, your wrong...
you also made comments about noobs having voting right, or something... well, if thats the case i dont think you should have voting rights :D but i dont believe in that, everyone should have equal rights...
as i said before, and let me say it again incase some of you did not read... when TUS was started, wooka uploaded his schemes and thats what everyone has been using as the default schemes.... do you think they are perfect? do you think they are the best schemes from a competitive stand point? can you honestly tell me that each scheme is league worthy, and has no flaws? i doubt it...
i know that it sucks to make changes in the 32nd season of an overall league, but it HAD to be done, and it was well over do... but its better late then never..
and i hope this is not the end of it, i hope after this experimental season, we continue to do it...
example: elite was perfect, and after this season we will know if rope knocking improve the scheme, or makes it worse. (i also think we should have an experimental season WITHOUT mines and barrels, they only add a luck factor to the scheme, i think we should try a season without them and then decide the best scheme)
we should experiment with each and every scheme, and really dissect any problems, get down to the core of each scheme, and keep tweaking them until each scheme is really league worthy and ready for competition.
for me, i would not care if it took 6 seasons of experimenting, it needs to be done.. and at the end i think we will all be much happier... but if you protesters dont feel the same way, then by all means go code your own league, and PM wooka, ask him for his schemes ;D
sorry for long post, and GJ to monkeyisland and staff for taking this step, and not backing down from it!! keep it up
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i agree on 100%, avi ;D
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"Go code your own league " just pwned, well said. xd
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For 20 people you don't need to code your own site, just use a paper and a pencil xD
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For 20 people you don't need to code your own site, just use a paper and a pencil xD
I have coded the league for them!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AshzE3G-kVFBdEJrMl9VNEZMT0N1RzJiZElwYmQ3cGc&usp=sharing
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democracy will never work in cases like this.
let's just play this new season and see how it will be. i really can't see any problem in trying it, l3x stop being a pain in the ass.
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For 20 people you don't need to code your own site, just use a paper and a pencil xD
I have coded the league for them!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AshzE3G-kVFBdEJrMl9VNEZMT0N1RzJiZElwYmQ3cGc&usp=sharing
This link sends me to the login page.
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Fixed!
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Call it TGL or TSL, the google league or the speadsheet league ;D.
Edit:
PS. I really like most of the suggested changes and I'm looking forward to testing them :).
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Fixed!
rofl
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Call it TGL or TSL, the google league or the speadsheet league ;D.
Edit:
PS. I really like most of the suggested changes and I'm looking forward to testing them :).
Good suggestion, I have updated it!
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lol anubis!! add the players
sm0k and Maciej so far.. anyone else interested in the google league? :DDDD
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Added sm0k and Maciej to the already huge database, need to add donation button soon to help me keep up with all the stress demand. To report just PM me I will update the sheet. Will be epic PO I think. Not sure yet who will be Top 3!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AshzE3G-kVFBdGtCSERFcE4yOVMtZGlmNTg5QlktNlE#gid=0
Update!
- Added Played value, shows the amount of games played in total (formula: wins+losses)
Almost there, 1-2 updates and I have created TUS v3.
Also updated my signature to help increase the activity, hope MI doesn't mind. ;)
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roflmao
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hahahahahhaha rofl
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Lol Kai :D
we were talkin on private and we dislike the idea about the new sheme rules. we think its just a bad way to handle the tries
Why?
it gonna destroy the classic league for one seasson. its nice that there a new ideas.. but we just thing this tries should get a new league or handle it with trl or something.
Do you honestly think it's going to "destroy" the league for one season? What information did you gather to make this assumption? Can you tell the future? Can you read 100's of minds?
Using TRL would be pointless, even with TRL having fully successful schemes like TTRR/Hysteria, it still has WAY WAY less amount of games played than the Classic Overall League, it makes perfect sense to go mainstream with these changes to get as much feedback & constructive criticism as possible.
i didnt saw in forum a poll about any voting if peaple even wanna try the new rules.
Sorry, but where the hell have you been for the past half a year? There has been nothing but MAJOR scheme discussion all over TuS forums for the past 6 months! Getting more and more intense each passing week...
hysterie isnt a classic sheme but we can live with that.
Ok, so if you can live with Hysteria, then you should be able to live with these changes, the gameplay itself doesn't change, you still shoot in BnG, you still rope in TTRR, you still rope and use same attacks in Roper/WxW, same tactics apply to Elite/T17 except EVERYONE must learn new tactics for rope knocking, so in a way, everyone is now a beginner at this, it's fair...
We are all friendly here at TuS, I imagine you get more out of WA than these schemes in their specific settings that Wooka made, played with other people, and reported, to a website which has no real competitive value or huge sponsors etc, we do it for fun cuz it's a great place to hang out with people all over the world who share the same interest in this silly little game, we laugh at each other, we laugh together, blah blahdy blah, long story short, just take one for the team (the team being everyone who plays WA competitively), test out the experimental season with us, and give your honest feedback AFTER it's over.
I can assure you sm0k, if Season 32 sucks, you & l3x will NOT be alone to complain.
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:D
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sign me up anubis! btw is it possible to change my nick to pejablak in tgl?
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tgl was my first own clan with VU uahuahuah
https://www.tus-wa.com/groups/tgl/
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sign me up anubis! btw is it possible to change my nick to pejablak in tgl?
I have talked to my staff and it is ok with it.
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Do you have a logo yet?
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maciej is avoiding me, do i get free win?
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I don't think that the current available technology is able to support logos or pictures. :(
Peja, we need a screenshot where it shows that he avoided you.
Update:
Our admin managed to solve the technical problem and we are now able to use pictures in our league! (Also, we finally got to use color)
Our talented artist team created a brand new logo for TGL, just in time for the new feature!
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kk anubis :)
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Warning for Pejablak for faking a screenshot!
Our dedicated professional team spotted a german flag on Maciej, this is a fake one.
Update:
- Added strikes, having 3 strikes will ban you for the current season.
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Can I join TGL with an alias ?
Let's call my alias fadalias !
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i'm sorry i can't play this league because i would be too much inactive!!
but i can stream the finals!!
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Added fadalias, Sir-J and Masta.
Added points formula: Points = Wins*2+Losses
You get 2 points for a win and 1 point for a loss.
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but this way everyone will avoid pejablak.
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i will open a complaint, this points system sucks! where's the complaints section?
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Complaint invalid! TGL doesn't change anything, thats our motto.
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i want a free lose on TGL
can i
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lmao
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haha ;d how to report the wins?^^
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Masta told me him and Sir-J wanted to be in TGL. xD I will change nick.
You can report with PM for example. xD Or maybe MI makes a forum for TGL? lol ;D
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Can you add me to TGL please? Please add me as "HystNo1" K thx :)
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Pejablak beats HystNo1 in hysteria:
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No1 Hyst? Sounds serious xD
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I'd like to register. My TGD name will be "ANOsWhalecock." ANOsWhalecock is going to smack around everyone's faces this season.
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Done!
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:)Sign Up me too anubis please:)
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nooob staff, i have the most points but im not on top of the list ;D
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No need, Top 8 get into PO anyway so it doesn't matter at the moment. xD
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HystNo1 beats Pejablak 1-0 @ Hysteria
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Done, I need staff like the old WL/cl2k that verify each report by watching the replay. xD
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I'd like to register. My TGD name will be "ANOsWhalecock." ANOsWhalecock is going to smack around everyone's faces this season.
mauhauhauha
<3
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WL watching replay ? xD
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Yeah, or am I mixing them up? I was/am sure that both cl2k and WL used manual game validation with threads where moderators had to approve the games and once or twice a day the admin updated the standings. xD
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HystNo1 Beats Pejablak 1 Hysteria :)
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Again? :O
Btw, TGL will have the same length as TUS, so gogogo make the first official TGL PO worth it! :D
No minimum games required, you can be in PO with zero games if just Pejablak and HystNo1 play. I will keep the order and not sort the players with points, if for example Pejablak and HystNo1 are the only ones playing at the end of the Season them + the 6 that registered first to TGL get into PO. So Nico for example can't be in PO without points. It will be most epic PO of all time!
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i love the f@#!ing google league, if the next tus awards add the category: "best league admin" you have great chances to get votes xD
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Thanks, I spent so much effort into it. :D
Update: Added Rules to TGL! For example by winning PO you get an extra row and bigger font size! That is TGLs trophy system!
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Should be called "The f@#!in Google League" xD
Love it :D
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Update from the admin!
TGL is now able to support correct standings in the right order, everyone say YAY! =D
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HystNo1 beats Pejablak in Roper 1-0
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LOl Kai I can see you editing it live !
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Made for the players, it's like seeing someone cook your food, you know it will be good. :D
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Complaint invalid! TGL doesn't change anything, thats our motto.
New complaint! You're changing the scores, which is in violation of your motto.
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I will ask my staff what the consequences are going to be. Ah, that was quick, they told me that progress is more important than no change! 8)
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Please, sign me up for TGL, the name avirex will be fine.. I want to make it to play offs by default :)
Also, make me staff or give me some kind of honorary mention for suggesting this league please :)
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Done, see Rules for special privilege avi. ;)
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Anub, WL was before replays :). I think, both player had to confirm (on the forum) that the game did occurs but i'm not even sure about it. HHC help? :D
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I know fada. ^^
All TGL related things will be hosted outside of TUS now! Cya there. (signature is link)