Quote from: Komito on January 18, 2012, 07:52 AM
I've been thinking about this, could we like sponsor some sort of huge event where Mablak plays Random, I will personally donate a cash prize, I swear it'd be one hell of a match to watch, each player gets 1 month to train.
Mablak/Random, interested?
It could be interesting games, so I'm generally interested in playing such a thing. Don't really like your suggestions for the setting, though. I dont think it's necessary to have money involved in this and I doubt that a month for training is useful, cause honestly who would really need 1 month practice for this? It would be enough if both players would just be active the last week, so noone blames his inactivity for sucking, heh ;D
Quote from: Impossible on January 18, 2012, 03:35 PM
thats maybe a cool idea Komo, but sorry no1 here dont read your post, they are too big :(
Thanks, and to be honest, that's their problem not mine if they are too lazy or lack the intelligence or will to read big posts.
Quote from: Random00 on January 18, 2012, 06:21 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 18, 2012, 07:52 AM
I've been thinking about this, could we like sponsor some sort of huge event where Mablak plays Random, I will personally donate a cash prize, I swear it'd be one hell of a match to watch, each player gets 1 month to train.
Mablak/Random, interested?
It could be interesting games, so I'm generally interested in playing such a thing. Don't really like your suggestions for the setting, though. I dont think it's necessary to have money involved in this and I doubt that a month for training is useful, cause honestly who would really need 1 month practice for this? It would be enough if both players would just be active the last week, so noone blames his inactivity for sucking, heh ;D
It was just an idea, but yes, I think you would both need a month if you were to play the 8 schemes in classic, that's alot of schemes to play your utter best at, and if you guys both trained for a month, I think you would both be even better, BUT, that's just an idea, that's just the way I would personally like to see it, if you guys want to do this, with darKz help we can set up a live event, i'll sponsor it, get some streaming video whatever, and you and Mablak can discuss and agree the terms, if you guys even like the idea, if not, just tell me to shut up and we'll all forget about this very soon :)
P.S. MI, sorry for taking this off topic, could you be a dear and split the topic please? Dub-C has a point.
I'm sure I lack intelligence, but the bits and ppieces that I was able to understand I think are good ideas... I have to hand it to ya komo, sometimes you have rather good ideas, but like Rand00 said, I don't think 1 month is needed either... A week is more realistic, sure its alot of schemes to master, but thats why they are the best all sounders...
Its like telling you to take 1 month to train for a bng match, you would tell us we are all idiots lol
what about Random VS Mablak game 100,000 TUS?
;D
I'm not opposed to this idea, but if the goal is to really prove who's the best, it would take a good 5 games in each scheme, seems like a lot of effort. I'd probably rather devote that time to a cup or something, instead of playing 30-40 games against the same person. Maybe I should just play a season of TUS so that Random and I might meet in playoffs instead?
I think if you play TUS classic singles it will get people the most clear result than this "test". Also you let others to challenge you too. Which would have even more benefit.
meet on playoffs and play some kind of 1v1 challenge is very different, isnt?
And yehh month its alot, 2 days 20 mins ttrr, 1 roper, some elite and you will be overwarmed for this :Dd
Oh and ye, if you need the best player, I think it must be 1v1v1 cuz I must play too on it...
Yes mablak! Come play a season of 1v1 tus! Maybe then we will be able to track you down on clanners more often :)
I love the idea. Streaming it would be quite possible too. :)
Quote from: Mablak on January 19, 2012, 12:51 PM
if the goal is to really prove who's the best, it would take a good 5 games in each scheme, seems like a lot of effort. I'd probably rather devote that time to a cup or something, instead of playing 30-40 games against the same person.
totally agree with you there. Imo such a competition (1 game in each of the 8 classic schemes) most likely can't really show who's the better player, but nevertheless it's still interesting.
Also playing tus singles seems to be a good idea. Facing each other in Playoffs wouldn't be too different from the competition mentioned above, so I simply dont know what the best idea is... :/
Quote from: Mablak on January 19, 2012, 12:51 PMMaybe I should just play a season of TUS so that Random and I might meet in playoffs instead?
Thumbs up!
Quote from: barman on January 19, 2012, 04:36 PM
Quote from: Mablak on January 19, 2012, 12:51 PMMaybe I should just play a season of TUS so that Random and I might meet in playoffs instead?
Thumbs up!
:o
that would be epic
Quote from: darKz on January 19, 2012, 04:27 PM
I love the idea. Streaming it would be quite possible too. :)
we could make money putinho. lets schedule a meeting.
lmao we'd make the perfect commentator combination.
"ae, this is nino, and next to me is my putinho darKz. Say ae darKz!" :D
I'd prefer one with a clear english accent so that everyone understands,
thanks for nominating me to comment on the roping games between them ^^
I could volunteer for the commentary, I have a very clear english spoken voice, although I usually talk with my accent I do speak proper at interviews and with contacts etc.
I somehow wanna produce music for this somehow too xD
it is better a non-english speaker comment ae like some german, cos usually peoples who talks english as 1st language,talks too fast, it is normal i know, but hard to undestand.
thats why i barely can undestand avirex on TS cos he talks english as native language plus is a criminal then has the gangstah accent. :(
komo remember when we were on mic playing some ropes in da night long time, did u undestand me good? i could undestand u , but sometimes it was hard ae.
yeah I've heard u on mic komo, not the best to be commentator, I couldn't understand too good, coz too fast and weird accent :p
He's as clear as crystal, for me after 5 months living with him xD. My mate who comes over once in a while also agrees :o.
nino, devilage, desetroyah, I speak with my accent on ventrilo, because that's me being me, relaxed and talking with friends, having a laugh, being silly, I can do all kinds of voices and accents, for example, remember the born2bng movie? The voice-over at the start, that was me:
I can do all sorts :)
Is it just me or does this seem all abit over the top? If Mablak wants to meet Random i think he should play a season of tus and get there through the proper system of the playoffs, also Random has to be active enough to make the playoffs himself.
I think deciding on the best allrounder and putting it down to two players out of those who are currently semi active is naive. Random has been very consistent over the past few months but what of his opposition in tus? If Dibz, Crash, Franz, Diana, Almog, Artic and other great allrounders were just as active and attempting to reach the playoffs I doubt you'd see the amount of gold medals Random has. Its a shame other top allrounders are not as motivated as Random to reach the playoffs more often.
I think some of you should stop blowing smoke up their arse, dust off your ropes and grenades and have a pop at trying to knock Mablak and Random out of their celebrity status'. It would benefit tus, w:a and the community in general than some kind of glorfied spa'ing session.
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 19, 2012, 10:51 PM
Is it just me or does this seem all abit over the top? If Mablak wants to meet Random i think he should play a season of tus and get there through the proper system of the playoffs, also Random has to be active enough to make the playoffs himself.
I think deciding on the best allrounder and putting it down to two players out of those who are currently semi active is naive. Random has been very consistent over the past few months but what of his opposition in tus? If Dibz, Crash, Franz, Diana, Almog, Artic and other great allrounders were just as active and attempting to reach the playoffs I doubt you'd see the amount of gold medals Random has. Its a shame other top allrounders are not as motivated as Random to reach the playoffs more often.
I think some of you should stop blowing smoke up their arse, dust off your ropes and grenades and have a pop at trying to knock Mablak and Random out of their celebrity status'. It would benefit tus, w:a and the community in general than some kind of glorfied spa'ing session.
Well, I only speak of what statistics over the last 8+ years show, and also at least in my opinion, they are probably the 2 most dedicated players i've ever seen, more dedicated than anyone, in terms of committment to the game, impeccable sportsmanship, always treating others with respect, and taking competitive gaming more successful than any other player by winning and achieving more (in leagues) than anyone else, Mablaks FB statistics and Randoms TuS record are records that will never ever be beat, by anyone.
I also voted Almog 3rd best, he's incredible :)
frango23...random00 and mablak are like brazilian soccer team even when lose...still the best porra xDDD
my money would go on....................... none too hard to call, mab my money'd go ON
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Chicken, there is no doubt the names you mentioned are great, but I think even those specific people you mentioned would admit, mablak and random are one step ahead of them.. And still they remain modest.. The only wormer o think that was close to their level was zippp, when he was super active.. And we all remember his attitude..
So I don't think anyone is blowing smoke up anyone ass, just stating facts, I guess
Actually Chicken is right on so many levels. I've reviewed many many games, either out of curiosity or because I had to because of dealing with TUS problems, let me tell you, many many times people lose a game not because of being less-skilled than their opponent, but only because they are so scared of their opponent "reputation" that they do many stupid mistakes they normally won't do.
There are certain people on this community that love to sit and praise a few people while they do nothing about their own skills. A good example is that you can always tell how good is someone in some scheme and count on it because they are not improving.
Thinking like the ultimate challenge is "Random vs Mablak", is not creative but so destructive to community's self-esteem. The reason ZiPpO could stand up to them, was because ZiPpO wanted to be like them, not wishing or sitting on his ass praising them. ZiPpO's self-esteem wasn't destroyed by this false idolization.
While players like Random00 or Mablak must be respected for their achievements, but idolization is something you wanna prevent from happening. When that happens, people start ignoring the idol's mistakes/fails and read too much into their success. Little examples:
Random00 got eliminated by Madden 3:1 on season #13 playoffs (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-playoffs/?s=13). Why shouldn't Madden get a chance for such competition/title?
Mablak finishes 3rd on TTRR (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-30840/): 80 dibz, 83 Dulek, 86 Mablak, 89 Crash.
So what exactly are you trying to feed here?
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 20, 2012, 01:05 PMnts, but idolization is something you wanna prevent from happening. When that happens, people start ignoring the idol's mistakes/fails and read too much into their success. Little examples:
Random00 got eliminated by Madden 3:1 on season #13 playoffs (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-playoffs/?s=13). Why shouldn't Madden get a chance for such competition/title?
Mablak finishes 3rd on TTRR (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-30840/): 80 dibz, 83 Dulek, 86 Mablak, 89 Crash.
So what exactly are you trying to feed here?
What am I trying to feed, Random00 and Mablak are human, they do have bad days, and do lose now and again, but looking at the bigger picture, they just dominate everyone lol, at least that's what statistics show.
I passionately disagree with what you said about idolising them, without idolising anyone, i'd NEVER have achieved anything I ever have, I idolise people, and at the same time want to surpass them, and raise the bar for whatever it is.
For me, idolising people gives me a reason to live, it's people you can feel you connect with to develop your own skills/talents on, "if he can do it, I can do it, or at least have fun trying, i'll win some i'll lose some, but i'll live to fight another day and who knows, I might make it :)"
First, you converted idolization meaning into respecting meaning and that doesn't have any contradiction to my post.
Second I hate to talk like this. I challenge you into all classic schemes. If you've been really inspired by their godly awesomeness, you must be able to beat me easily. I've been here only 4 years compared to you and more than 70% of my worm time was spent on coding TUS. Could you please prove me wrong or you're so not in shape or "summin'"?
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 20, 2012, 01:53 PM
First, you converted idolization meaning into respecting meaning and that doesn't have any contradiction to my post.
Second I hate to talk like this. I challenge you into all classic schemes. If you've been really inspired by their godly awesomeness, you must be able to beat me easily. I've been here only 4 years compared to you and more than 70% of my worm time was spent on coding TUS. Could you please prove me wrong or you're so not in shape or "summin'"?
I quit playing worms lol.
I know I can beat anyone at any scheme - the sole exception is TTRR - yet I still think Random and Mablak are currently the best allround players. There's nothing wrong with admitting that imo. :P
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 20, 2012, 01:05 PM
many many times people lose a game not because of being less-skilled than their opponent, but only because they are so scared of their opponent "reputation" that they do many stupid mistakes they normally won't do.
Also happens when someone is famous as good players, newbies concentrate on max and do their best games, or when some pro think that he are to pro pro, he wont focus just cuz he play with nap and think he have no chance to lose :P
Quote from: darKz on January 20, 2012, 02:02 PM
I know I can beat anyone at any scheme - the sole exception is TTRR - yet I still think Random and Mablak are currently the best allround players. There's nothing wrong with admitting that imo. :P
ye i second that, i can beat mablak or random00 or some schemes too, but they are still much better than me overall, so i dont see the problem at admiting that too.
sorry monkey, but ye random00 and mablak are far ahead of everyone here ( talking in overall view) even zippo which imo was rly greatly skilled, and used to cheat on rr but nvm lol, cant get close to them.
I'm sorry if all you got from my post was "we shouldn't admit they are good".
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 20, 2012, 04:19 PM
I'm sorry if all you got from my post was "we shouldn't admit they are good".
I understand you MI, and I am pretty sure everyone else does too, also I am pretty certain they are all clued in to the fact Mablak and Random00 are not perfect, they do lose, but they are still that good, and still win most games against all opponents allround schemes, that it doesn't really matter, it's their achievements, that are more impressive than others.
If you look at the statistics, if any of those players I list went and took a season as seriously as Random has done then I don't think random would have as many gold medals.
Im not denying their skill and achievements, I would say they are the best allrounders, but I am merely stating that there have not been enough allrounders who have tried to challange them. If there was I think their records would be different. At the moment Almog is climbing to a near Random level IMO, he is consistently making the playoffs. If Franz, Diana, Artic, Dibz, Dulek, Crash etc etc were all consistently making the playoffs then I think the statistics that we see in tus would be way different. Some of the other great allrounders don't even bother playing tus anymore as they have already reached elite rank or won tus once. Csongi told me he doesnt have much motivation for it after winning a season, that happened to be one where Random didn't qualify. If i was him i'd want to keep on making playoffs to try and knock Random out.
Rather than asking for some best allrounder show down, I think more of the top allrounders should prove that they have what it takes to replicate a record like Random, as MI pointed out. Madden is more consistent than Random because the only season where he wanted to reach playoffs and was active enough, he knocked out Random.
Look at Artic, he beat Random in final and has another final against him. What if Artic wins this?
Random doesn't come up against the same 8 guys in the playoffs each season, which could easly be the case if other top players were more motivated and active.
Mablak hasn't even played tus. He needs to prove himself. I could imagine he wouldn't put a flawless streak together. Think of the level of skill in hysteria that has developed! I've never seen mab play hysteria but all that turn time in inter he is used to may effect those 1 second moves.
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 20, 2012, 04:47 PMbut I am merely stating that there have not been enough allrounders who have tried to challange them. If there was I think their records would be different.
You nailed it on the head, the reason why they are the best, is because they play more and try harder than anyone else, case closed.
Quote from: Komito on January 20, 2012, 04:53 PM
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 20, 2012, 04:47 PMbut I am merely stating that there have not been enough allrounders who have tried to challange them. If there was I think their records would be different.
You nailed it on the head, the reason why they are the best, is because they play more and try harder than anyone else, case closed.
I can't argue that. But my point is we could have an amazing amount of competition and a different opinion of who the best is, if other great allrounders really had a go and went for it. If i met Random or Mablak in the playoffs, chances are i'd lose. But through my tus singles record i've only had 1-1's with Random. Better allrounders than myself (And im hardly one cus i cant rr, wxw or rope) have shown they can knock Random out of the PO's. But like you said, these guys have played more and tried harder than those names i listed.
However i think the clan league is wide open and no one dominates that. Making it the best thing EVER. I sometimes look at worm players like snooker and tennis players. Everyone has peaks and dips you know?
And yea, it would be nice to see mab and random fight, but id much rather see it in a tus singles playoff, and see other people try just a hard than take the mindset that no one will be as good as them which i felt was the direction of this topic because i don't believe that. Anyone can be just as good as Random or Mablak if they try hard enough. And maybe one day i'll learn to RR.. when pigs fly.
Yeah, you are totally right mate, and I think it would be potentially magnificent to see all the players you mentioned, including mab/randy, go head to head in some sort of super playoffs, that was live streamed from darKz office of doom :)
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 20, 2012, 05:10 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 20, 2012, 04:53 PM
Quote from: Chicken23 on January 20, 2012, 04:47 PMbut I am merely stating that there have not been enough allrounders who have tried to challange them. If there was I think their records would be different.
And maybe one day i'll learn to RR.. when pigs fly.
heres the proof
(http://diaryofdaedalus.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/flyingpig.jpg)
time to learn rr ;D
i will be in holidays in 2 weeks and i will can to play :D
i want see u mablak in next PO and too u random (and here xD (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-playoffs/))
sapifel
:)
Chicken, your trying to make a point that if other top allarounders played and competed more maybe randoms statistics would not be as impressive..
Your right.
But I still think mablak and random are currently the best, and most consistant...
And I also think mablak is the best period.. I'm pretty sure he will beat random with np.. But thats just my opinion..
But yes chicken, your right.. There are other good all arounders, including almog ;)