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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Chicken23 on October 26, 2009, 03:31 PM
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I think the amount of games to gain access to playoffs should be increased for both singles and clanners.
I suggest this because of the amount of time in a season is 2 months and its really easy to get these 20 and 30 game limits for players which are not so active. This makes it really hard for playoffs to get finished as a semi active player gets into them.
Also i think the top 4 players in the overall stats abuse the system by playing 30 games and not bothereing to play anymore games. If they had to play more games to reach the playoffs it would be better for the league as it would get the higher overall players doing more games and risking losing their points. I think the system does have a problem when u see flori in 130th and in the playoffs.. I think players like sogeking, zippo deserve a playoff spot but its hard to reach those places... It doesnt help when you have avoiders like weeman too? Just think some tweaks could be made to make a fairer selection of 8 players.
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I see your point. So to solve that you are suggesting making 30 and 20 like 50 and 40? I mean only about the number of games?
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30 for clanners and 40 for singles maybe
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The amount of games won't help this.
Yes, if weeman avoids a lot like xray does he will be first at first season BUT:
it will be hard for this guy to enter PO next seasons since he gets less and less points.
I assume that clan POs should be similar to singles POs:
4+4 for singles, 2+2 for clans.
Where 4+4, 2+2 stands for Top X in Current season + Top X Overall
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[offtopic]pr, I don't remember one single time when you asked me for a TUS. If you do, I play and this is the same with everyone. I never told Unique that I won't play with him even tho I knew I would almost certainly lose.[/offtopic]
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The amount of games won't help this.
Yes, if weeman avoids a lot like xray does he will be first at first season BUT:
it will be hard for this guy to enter PO next seasons since he gets less and less points.
That would be true if we didn't have the option to reset our stats at the start of every season. Unique did that and now he's getting good points for wins. If many players did that, there's no point in having a rating based scoring system. I think that should be changed immediately, e.g. allowing stats resets only once in say 3 seasons. MI?!
About what chicken said, hm yes, not a bad idea. 30 games isn't much for someone who spends 3 consecutive afternoons in ag.
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You can reset ur stats??? This is silly! Cus u can just get loads of points of higher ranked played if you as good as them and reset start of each season. I think allowing to only reset every 3 seasons is a good idea. Or even not being allowed to reset at all.
In FB rating they had a handicap system where the most improved wormer got into playoffs too. For example. If someone had a really low rating cus they were a noob many months ago. But then started to win alot and gained many points cus of their low rating, They were top of handicaps and selected in playoffs. But this is pretty much just the same as seasonal points!
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Word. Resetting should be banned.
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You can reset ur stats???
chicken we need to take you to a tour over TUS xD
u can just get loads of points of higher ranked played if you as good as them and reset start of each season. I think allowing to only reset every 3 seasons is a good idea. Or even not being allowed to reset at all.
There's a difference between what people can do and what they actually will. Reseting options has been added to TUS since v1.6 (Got advanced in v1.8 ) and since then only 12 people have used it.
Some people simply have bad start or they get too low so the only way to encourage them is a fresh start. Otherwise they will open a new nick and that's worse (Or they quit TUS). Believe it or not, TUS earned every single player in its league.
By judging these 12 people, Other than Unique, other 11 reset because of bad stats.
Yes a good player can reset his stats and beat other good players to take them down. But again why would he do that? sadism? I know we have these type of people in WN, But also there are ways to avoid it. A good player always can analyze and see in what path he's about to walk. People won't ruin their own stats just to take other people down since getting a nice stats in TUS is not really an easy job and they have tried hard to reach their level.
At the moment, Every season people can reset their stats at the first half of the season. So in classic league, It will be every 2 months.
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We didn't convince him. Let's try more: ban resets, ban resets, ban resets...!! ;D
Seriously, MI, once per 3 seasons would be more than enough. People can still reset after 1 season or after half of season if they had a bad start, but allowing to start fresh every season is just too generous (especially to good players), isn't it? Not to mention it isn't very fair to other players, and it isn't helpful in determining who's really the best.
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BAN RESETS
TOM FOR PRESIDENT
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We didn't convince him. Let's try more: ban resets, ban resets, ban resets...!! ;D
ok I'm convinced now xD
So, You think the only problem with reseting is the probability that a good player reset and tease others?
(lol pr you come and pass like a tv subtitle)
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How about this: only people with less than 1000 points can reset their stats? :)
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So, You think the only problem with reseting is the probability that a good player reset and tease others?
Yes. + that such player avoids getting his skill evaluated correctly.
EDIT: Yeah, Ray, but do those players even need to do that? :)
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Some people simply have bad start or they get too low so the only way to encourage them is a fresh start. Otherwise they will open a new nick and that's worse (Or they quit TUS).
Truth is, if these players develop skills while playing the league, then they will have advantage, because with little points they can get a lot more. But some people don't want to do that or they are lazy.
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reseting hasnt been a problem at all, i really dont see why to get rid of it... every 2 seasons or something would be good but i think half a year is a little long, fb allowed resets every month and they didnt have problems with it either
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FB didnt have a seasonal points option. They had playoffs selected of 16 players. Only 4 with highest handicap points ((most improvement)similar to TUS seasonal points) got into playoffs..
I think at the moment its too for noob bashers and avoiders to reach playoffs, and inactive pros in overall standings to make playoffs. :o
I dunno how resetting relates to this, but i think it helped unique climb into first place easly and he could keep resetting and making playoffs again? Maybe Rays suggestion of anyone under 1000 can reset, but anyone over has to wait atleast 2 season?
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I agree with chicken, I think the minimum numebr of games for signles should be raised to at least 50.
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It is right too, Unique played 30 games in 2 days and the season lasts for 60 days... I could imagine even more games as limit, 75 for instance.
And reset should work for anyone under 1000 only, they would have the limits which are used right now, but noone under no circumstances could use the reset option with higher than 1000 points.
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So what is the result of this topic?
I suggest the game limts get increase to 50 for singles and 30 for clanners.. I think they should take effect even during this season as it has been pretty active!
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So far:
1. Increase to 50 for singles and 30 for clanners
2. Reseting allowed only for players under 1000
I'll include them in v1.9 (Chicken, It's not good to change the pattern at the end of the season, It messes up many people's mind)
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thats right, gj with thise new changes guys
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2. Reseting allowed only for players under 1000
I think this should be considered abit more before doing it straight away..
Maybe people be allowed to reset, has it only been unique who has used this option to rape and get in playoffs?? Maybe if over 1000 you only have the option of resetting every other season?
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if weeman avoids a lot like xray does
totally true. he told me he would tus me after I tus'd some guy, and I came back and starting pm'ing ray, and I got no answer, so I went into ag with the alias TuscanChicken and started to pm ray "wanna shoppa??" and Ray privately responded to TuscanChicken, but not to me, Sogeking, when I kept pm'ing him at the same time as I was with TuscanChicken.. then he finally told me he'd tus later and left the lobby. you've been caught, boy
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has it only been unique who has used this option to rape and get in playoffs?? Maybe if over 1000 you only have the option of resetting every other season?
The only guys who used it that was above 100 was Unique. But believe me he just felt like having a fresh start, Not anything like raping others.
I didn't get your last line. If you are aboce 1000, Then what?
@soge
Ray doesn't know you mate and same thing happen to me. I pmed him in ag for TUS and said after his game and I couldn't find him, While he never refuses me.
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has it only been unique who has used this option to rape and get in playoffs?? Maybe if over 1000 you only have the option of resetting every other season?
@soge
Ray doesn't know you mate and same thing happen to me. I pmed him in ag for TUS and said after his game and I couldn't find him, While he never refuses me.
yeah he doesn't refuse because he just stays silent and waits for you to leave.. oldest trick in the book
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Sogeking, you are delusional. If you were here you could see you could see what I do here, especially these days, you would understand right away. When I am online in #AG it doesn't mean that I am sitting in front of the computer waiting for someone to play with. And strange thing, I don't remember what you are talking about with that aliasing thing, show me a log. Anyway, call me whatever you want, I don't care at all, I have my own problems to care about.
By the way, if you want that, I will only be online in #AG when I want to play, so maybe once a week. And if you want easy points because you think you could beat me, or you are jealous, I can reset my points, just for you.
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I'm not delusional. I had 2 snoopers in ag, Sogeking and TuscanChicken. Sogeking was pming you about the tus, and TuscanChicken was pming you about "host shoppa??", and you were only responding to TuscanChicken via pm, and ignoring Sogeking... oh yeah, then you told me you were getting off, and I noticed you were on the tus site for over 30 minutes... you are a clear cut avoider, you just thought you'd never get caught sonny. you are the decline and disgrace of worms, sir
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lmao, and the winner of the drama of this season is..........
sogeking, congrts. we laughd a lot with u
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You are childish, I am always online on TUS site because I leave my computer here and online, when I turn it off, I get offline. And I was probably going to watch a movie or American Dad or something.
Anyway, I don't see a point why I should be defending myself against you, still I say show a log or call me whatever you want, I don't care about you and after this I will never play with you since that wouldn't be fun. Sorry for breaking your heart. Probably I won't play any more games here since there is no point playing with jerks.
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Guys this topic is about some ideas about the league. Unfortunately TUS doesn't have anywhere for this type. We wanna make a different community than the previous ones.
There are always places like AG where you can pull each others hair.
(More flames on this topic will get deleted)
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Sorry for answering, I know, I was an idiot.
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Here we go again, NAiL made a good point on the chatbox today:
Why is he only qualifying as 7th to PO if he has both higher overall and seasonal rank than some people who qualify in front of him?
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Yes please exaplin.
I think there should be a dedicated PO button on the standings page that lists all of the players qualifying for PO positions, that also explains why they positioned as they did.
e.g. You press it and get this:
Playoff Positions
1st : Phantom (Highest Seasonal Rating)
2nd: yanme (Highest Overall Rating)
3rd : NAiL (2nd Highest Sesonal Rating)
4th: Phil (2nd Highest Overall Rating)
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etc...
So you dont have to scroll through pages to find the players and also avoids any confusion.
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i still dnt understand how it changes too
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I can add such thing. But wasn't your question about why 4 top seaonal is considered first?
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Monkey I have a higher seasonal and overal rating than some players there, and qualify below them. This must be a bug, pls explain!
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Right now, beer and BOROTALCO are above you and they both have higher seasonal points than you. You are 3rd by seasonal points and you will be 5th in PO.
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but MI, I have higher ratings than phantom and hes second.
Im the highest overal with 50 games played, surely I should be 2nd. It doesnt make sense that phantom is higher than me, and that if I loose enough points, I willl qualify higher!
Pleas explain this, also pls remind me how the PO qualifications work.
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Yes please exaplin.
I think there should be a dedicated PO button on the standings page that lists all of the players qualifying for PO positions, that also explains why they positioned as they did.
e.g. You press it and get this:
Playoff Positions
1st : Phantom (Highest Seasonal Rating)
2nd: yanme (Highest Overall Rating)
3rd : NAiL (2nd Highest Sesonal Rating)
4th: Phil (2nd Highest Overall Rating)
"" "" ""
etc...
So you dont have to scroll through pages to find the players and also avoids any confusion.
wow phantom sooo pro ;D roflmao!
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Maybe we should get back to count the first 8 people of their seasonal points and nothing else? ;\ We really need a good idea here from someone way more experienced than me.
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No Ray. He is complaining about the order of PO.
@NAiL,
At the moment:
System search between current league players to find the people who have at least 50 games played and have 50% winning percentage.
Once the specific list is ready, it looks for 4 seasonal first and after finding them it will remove them from the list, so that it can start finding the 4 overall in the list.
It gives the first seasonal 4, positions: 1, 3, 5, 7 in the PO and gives the overall top: 2, 4, 6, 8.
In your case, the system found you in the seaonal top 4 and removed you from the overall list.
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in my opinion its much easier to become first in the season rating then in the overall rating.
With a system like this I dont see any positive aspect in keeping your overall stats when a new season starts.
When I want to qualify for playoffs my aim is to qualify always with the best conditions, but when you have like 3000 overall points and some player who is a bit worse then you starts with ~1500, then its almost impossible for you to become first in this season (when you play approx. the same amount of games in this season).
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I understand your point Random. It was a bad thing to allow ranks to be reset, that completely and utterly destroys the purpose of keeping long term rankings. People need to play for at least 2 seasons for their true skill level to is reflected in their ratings. This makes it easier for newcomers to the league to gain lots of points, but the next season it'll be much more balanced.
Now I think its been changed so that you can only reset if your under 1000, which is fine.
MI the current system does not display PO positions as they should be. It makes sense to consider ones overal rating BEFORE their seasonal rating.
Look at the standings now, I have a higher overal rating, and a higher seasonal rating than Ray, but he qualifies in 2nd and I qualify in 5th.
I realise that this is because the system is considering seasonal ratings before overal ratings., but this is silly because once other players in the top 20 reach the minimum game limit (benz and random for example), I willl be knocked down the seasonal rankings until the system considers my overal rating.
So in effect I will drop down in the seasonal standings, but keep my overal rating and so qualify HIGHER than if I had played more games for the season.
I understand how PO qualification currently works, but the way in which it is displayed is misleading until the end of the season.
My main point is, the system MUST consider overall ratings BEFORE seasonal ratings.
Undestand what I mean now?
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Now another post for another idea.
As random said, it is difficult for players with high overal rankings to "win" a season. now. They can come second easily enough, but comming first will be very difficult and require a very large number of games to be played.
Why not have PO positions like this.
1 Random (Highest Overal Rating)
1 NAiL (Highest Seasonal Rating)
2 benz (2nd Highest Overal Rating)
2 Luke (2nd Highest Seasonal Rating)
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3
4
4
i.e. Joint places!
Then have 1v4, 1v4, 2v3, 2v3 etc for the knockouts.
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So your solution is simply to switch the positions?
Instead of counting 4 seaonal, system counts 4 overall?
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I think thats his idea. And maybe it is a fair point. I think we switched it from overall coming first because of flori...
or was it switched becasue it was 1,2,3,4 = top overall, then 5,6,7,8 = top seasonal?
I think maybe if it was just switched to 1st was top overall, 2nd was top seasonal, 3rd was 2nd overall, 4 was 2nd seasonal, it could be fairer and reward the players with higher overall ratings, instead of seasonal ratings as it is harder for high overall rating players as their ratings has developed.
So basically, i think nail and random are just asking for it to switched to give overall 1st, seasonal 2nd. and so on.
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ok fair enough. I'll do that.
But I don't think it is that much harder for the overall player to be on top of the standings. For example right now Random00 made himself first in the standings while some hours ago he was complaining (In this topic) it is so hard.
There are LOT of people with good rating in an specific scheme. Don't forget we set it like this to decrease noob bashing. If a high ranked player would gain like a new comer or others, then it will be same story again.
For example just today Random00 beat obscure in BnG (Game 12772 (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-12772/)) and earned 54 points.
I think it really is a matter of analyzer.
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Maybe there is a bug tho!
Why am i seeded in 4th for playoffs? and zippo is seeded in 7th? Yet hes got higher overall rating, and higher seasonal rating than me??
PO#7 ZiPpO TdC 141 86 55 60.99% 1481 3030
13 HusH s2k 21 18 3 85.71% 1386 2042 [Novice]
PO#2 Ray RoH 54 43 11 79.63% 1384 4873 [Major]
15 xLo WiB 45 24 21 53.33% 1355 1433 [Beginner]
16 Uber RoH 40 28 12 70% 1347 1983 [Novice]
17 TitiO Wee 34 21 13 61.76% 1334 1334 [Beginner]
18 WeeM4n che 19 13 6 68.42% 1322 2605 [Average]
PO#8 SacrificialLamb RoH 56 32 24 57.14% 1307 1307 [Beginner]
PO#4 Chicken23 CKC 57 32 25 56.14% 1273 2064 [Novice]
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Chicken read this: (It is in the same topic)
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/tus-playoffs/msg7994/#msg7994
In short,
System found ZiPpO in the top seasonal, marked him and removed him from the list of qualified players, then it found you in its search for overall people.
However I changed to system to consider overall first then scan for seasonal. (But we'll probably face the Flori case again)
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but surely that isnt sorted it as planned?
If its
#1 1st season
#2 1nd overall
#3 2nd season
#4 2nd overall
#5 3rd season
#6 3rd overall
#7 4th season
#8 4th overall
Reguardless of it being sorted with seasonal before overall, its still not working right?
Your saying its picking up zippo as 4th in seasonal ranking? and me as overall ranking?? Ive only got gold..
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At the moment system is exactly doing like you listed the players.
It picked ZiPpO for being in the 4 seasonal. (He is 4th there, so he will be 7 in the PO)
Then it started scanning for overall players, which started by Ray. You were 2nd in overall, so you are 4th.
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ok..
But somehow it need to realise that zippo has a higher seasonal., and higher overall than me. And place him above me right?
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By switching the placements of overall and seasonal, I think this problem will be solved.
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sorry, had plenty of beers as thanks giving and stuff. Like when a player has made the 50 games, and 50% winning, if it could be coded to read in the seasonal, and overall, and compare it to other players and place them accordinly. If you look at the players who have a higher seasonal points than zippo, u see that 3 of those guys have silver rank for overall. Zippo has way more overall points and should be seeded according to that, not seasonal (even if he is 4th seasonal, he is 2nd overall out of the selected playoff candiates and be put into seed 4th)??
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By switching the placements of overall and seasonal, I think this problem will be solved.
This doesnt mean seeding the candiates as
#1 = 1st overal
#2 = 1st seasonal
#3 = 2nd overall
so on...
But instead the reading into the seeds on which variable of seasonal/overall first?
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ok I tuned it a bit. system now consider overall first. But still 1, 3, 5, 7 is seasonal position and 2, 4, 6, 8 are overall positions.
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How about simply removing this numbering in Playoffs? People who achieve the conditions to qualify to the Playoffs will be in Playoffs at the end of the season and site will generate the pairs randomly.
Also, I am saying lon ago, that many people have problem with people who get into the Playoffs with their overall rank but have very small seasonal points. Maybe the four people qualifying into the Playoffs with their overall ranks MUST BE in top 20 players of the season.
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How about simply removing this numbering in Playoffs? People who achieve the conditions to qualify to the Playoffs will be in Playoffs at the end of the season and site will generate the pairs randomly.
this is shit imo, cause the seasonal winner shouldnt be play vs the overall leader in the quarterfinals, as they both are probably better then e.g. the seasonal 4th.
Maybe you could add a little randomness by creating playoff pairings as follows:
Group 1: Seasonal #1 and Overall #1
Group 2: Seasonal #2 and Overall #2
Group 3: Seasonal #3 and Overall #3
Group 4: Seasonal #4 and Overall #4
Games are:
2x Group 1 vs Group 4; Winners = Group A
2x Group 2 vs Group 3; Winners = Group B
Semi-Finals:
2x Group A vs Group B
with a system like this you wont be able to pick a specific opponent for your playoff games, but you usually still have an advantage if you can be #1 in seasonal or overall rating.
The only thing that should be cleared is who picks first if some of the same starting group have to play against each other (for example: final is Season #1 vs Overall #1).
My suggestion for this case would be to let the player with a higher overall rating pick first.
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But I don't think it is that much harder for the overall player to be on top of the standings. For example right now Random00 made himself first in the standings while some hours ago he was complaining (In this topic) it is so hard.
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I didnt really complain for me in my situation cause I didnt have too much points when this season started; I was more talking about the future or the situation of someone like Nail or Ray.
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For example just today Random00 beat obscure in BnG (Game 12772 (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-12772/)) and earned 54 points.
I think it really is a matter of analyzer.
This was maybe simply because I didnt reach my longterm BnG point amount yet. So the system was bad for obscure just because he did play more bng games so far. And thats why the overall rating should be considered "worthier" compared to seasonal rating.
Cause longterm I would maybe just get 40 points for bng win vs obscure if we have the same bng skill.
All in all I think that the system is quite ok if you're talking about an interval of 3-4 seasons. But I dunno ift still fair after this time... I doubt it, thats all ;)
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even now that it is considering overall before seasonal. It seems fine for the first 4 or so players selected. But its putting phathom in 5th when it should be zippo, hes in 6th, saclamb is 7th and im 8th when ive got more seasonal and more overall than sac and phathom..
I think there is a bug still MI..
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So, I can`t reach the playoffs this season? ;P
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sure you can crazy, you havent reached the 50 game minimum yet.
You'd PO in 3rd with your current rating if you had.
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i still dont get how phanton is seeded higher than zippo, and im seeded last. lol.
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lol you guys are making me confused!!
ok, tell me how the seeds must be done in these cases and I'll try to fix it.
Which player must be seeded first?
1. Player1 has more points seasonal but less overall points than player2
2. Player1 has more overall points but less seasonal points than player2
3. Player1 has more overall and seasonal points than player2: Player1 will be seeded sooner.
4. Player1 has less overall and seasonal points than player2: Player2 will be seeded sooner.
What do you think it must be case1 and case2?
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PO#1 beer bOr 71 42 29 59.15% 1802 1802 [Rookie]
5 Twyrfher TaG 39 30 9 76.92% 1759 1909 [Rookie]
PO#6 ZiPpO TdC 151 95 56 62.91% 1726 3275
7 Dulek CKC 29 19 10 65.52% 1718 3595 [Competent]
PO#2 NAiL bOr 64 52 12 81.25% 1657 5176 [Field Marshall]
9 Crazy TdC 27 22 5 81.48% 1637 1684 [Inexperienced]
PO#3 BOROTA FUB 72 46 26 63.89% 1592 1770 [Rookie]
11 erdy` s2k 23 20 3 86.96% 1581 1642 [Inexperienced]
12 Csongi bT 44 33 11 75% 1543 3079 [Above Average]
13 Doritos bOr 39 24 15 61.54% 1454 1440 [Beginner]
14 HusH s2k 21 18 3 85.71% 1386 2042 [Novice]
PO#4 Ray RoH 54 43 11 79.63% 1384 4873 [Major]
16 Uber RoH 49 33 16 67.35% 1375 2011 [Novice]
PO#8 Chicken23 CKC 63 36 27 57.14% 1371 2162 [Novice]
18 xLo WiB 45 24 21 53.33% 1355 1433 [Beginner]
19 TitiO Wee 36 22 14 61.11% 1333 1333 [Beginner]
20 WeeM4n che 19 13 6 68.42% 1322 2605 [Average]
PO#5 SacLamb RoH 56 32 24 57.14% 1307 1307 [Beginner]
22 Dieg0 36 24 12 66.67% 1257 1171
PO#7 Phanton JEDI 222 137 85 61.71% 1241 1935 [Rookie]
so based on top 4 seasonal geting 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th, and top 4 overall getting 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th which it currently is its not producing the right seeds. With 50 games and 50% winning. I would of thought it looked like this..
#1 beer (1st seasonal)
#2 nail (1st overall)
#3 zippo (2nd seasonal(even tho good overall aswell))
#4 Ray (2nd overall)
#5 Burota (3rd seasonal)
#6 Chicken23 (3rd overall)
#7 Saclamb (4th seasonal)
#8 Phantom (4th overall)
The problem lies with zippo when the code is selecting the seeds, it needs to be able to read both the seasonal and overall and judge which is apprioiate? Im not sure why its not picking him up and is placing him in 6th when he should be 3rd!
Maybe because its reading nail as #2 from his overall the code is unable to read up and goes straight to bocorate thinking he is 2nd seasonal, when infact 2nd seasonal is zippo who is above NaiL.. could this be what is causing it to come up with wrong seeds?
ps. in my textbox all the stats are lined up nicely, but not when i preview or post :s
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1. Player1 has more points seasonal but less overall points than player2
2. Player1 has more overall points but less seasonal points than player2
3. Player1 has more overall and seasonal points than player2: Player1 will be seeded sooner.
4. Player1 has less overall and seasonal points than player2: Player2 will be seeded sooner.
What do you think it must be case1 and case2?
My opinion:
Case 1: player2 should be seeded sooner.
Case 2: player1 should be seeded sooner.
-> Overall PO seeds: 1,3,5,7; Seasonal PO seeds: 2,4,6,8 (tho I prefer a system like I previously posted ;) )
But another important case is if someone is in the overall top4 AND the seasonal top 4.
Then he should be seeded on the highest PO seed. Means if someone is overall #3, but seasonal #1 then he should be seeded in PO seed 2 according to his seasonal ranking.
If someone is #2 in Overall rankings and #2 in seasonal rankings then he should be seeded in PO seed 3 according to his overall ranking.
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That makes sense, so system should take the better result of a player.
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Please make that playoff button that displays all the players in PO, so you dont ahve to scroll to page 6 to find the qualifiers!
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NAiL you've seen the 'All' link, right? ^^
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No cant see it, where is it?
And we have a problem... Random is 1st seasonal but now his overal rating has been taken before (so he plaes in 5th), even though its very hard to come 1st seasonal when your in the top 5 overall...
Well heres my solution, system considers the rating which will place higher in PO positions.
So it checks both ratings of a player (seasonal and overall), and puts them in the highest PO position they can achieve given the two ratings.
Problem solved?
So for example the system would look at both of Random's ratings, see that his seasonal rating will place him higher than his overall rating, and so rank him 1st instead of 5th (which is where he deserves to be).
This makes sense I think.
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How do you click on different pages links? The 'All' link is the last link there:
[1] 2 3 4 5 6 >> Last Page( 8 ) All
One idea is/was to have a formula for PO. For example as you mentioned, the people who's overall + seaonal is higher will be seeded first in the PO. But most of the time this formula will result the overall players become 1 to 4 of PO seeds. We are trying to set a match between 1 seaonal and 1 overall in the season.
I haven't done the latest solution which me, chicken and random were talking yet.
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And also NAiL was talking about it... Monkey, this should be made simple, understandable.
And I hate to say I told you so, but I remember telling you about not to put the standings on different pages... It doesn't matter that the page is long, everybody can scroll, but loading in all pages is pretty annoying.
EDIT: lol this really sucks that Random is first in this season with a high overall point and he is listed 6th...
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Monkey, the solution is simple.
Right now, the system looks at the overal rating and places you 2nd if you have the 1st overal rating, 4th if you have the 2nd overal rating etc...
Once 4 places are taken, it then considers the seasonal ratings and places you 1st if you have the highest, 3rd if you have the second highest etc...
The system needs to look at BOTH the seasonal and the overall ratings, and place the player in his highest possible PO position according to the two seperate ratings.
If a player will qualify higher with his seasonal rating, the system uses that one. If a player will qualify higher with his overall rating, the system uses that one.
Another example.
System looks at Random's ratings as sees that his seasonal rating will currently place him higher in the PO positions than his overall rating. In his case this meaning he will place 1st (as he should be) instead of 6th (which he shouldn't be).
The PO positions requirerments will stay exactly the same as they are now, although the system will take the highest PO position possible, from either the seasonal or overall rating.
Its simple, you understand now?
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If the system worked like that then this is what the CURRENT playoff positions would be, and what they SHOULD be like according to the current PO requirements.
1.Random (Highest Seasonal)
2.NAiL (Highest Overall)
3.Benz (2nd Highest Seasonal)
4.Ray (2nd Highest Overall)
5.Beer (3rd Highest Seasonal)
6.Zippo (3rd Highest Overall)
7.BOROTALCO (4th Highest Seasonal)
8.Chicken (4th Highest Overall)
If you check each rating individually, this is the CORRECT way of awarding PO places according to the current tus requirements.
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nail said exactly what i was trying to explain!
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ok changed the PO system as requested above.
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nice one MI!
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It seems to be working a lot better now, doesn't it?
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Seems fixed MI
now there is only 1 more problem.
In the semi finals seed #1 and seed3# can meet eachother
and seed #4 and seed# 2 can meet eachother
id suggest swapping the position of the two middle parings in quater finals, so that seed #1 has a chance of facing seed 4#.
#1 shouldnt see #3 or #2 in semi final as deserves to face lower seeded players untill final.
So just swap the two middle groups, and put seed #4 n seed #5 above match above seed#3 n seed # 6 match.
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or maybe im wrong, and this is where random was talking about the chances of who you meet in semi finals?
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ok changed the PO system as requested above.
LOL.
did you change this for current season?
You CANNOT apply changes for the current season.
Let's change them so i will go into PO.
Or let us wait for each person who is not at PO atm and wants to be in PO proposes his solution how he could be in PO using new rules.
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have you seen the difference from what is was before pr? this way is alot fairer, and thats coming from some1 who isnt qualified
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have you seen the difference from what is was before pr? this way is alot fairer, and thats coming from some1 who isnt qualified
I'm not talking about differences.
I'm trying to point to that fact when you all out of a sudden changed the system for the CURRENT season.
Imagine a situation:
There is a biathlon race, Bjorndalen has a 50 sec advantage before he starts shooting the last targets. He misses two times. And out of a sudden judges tell him to run 4 circuits instead of 2. He was followed by Berger who does not miss any target and goes ahead Bjorndalen and wins.
And Berger tried to invent some stuff to harden Bjorndalen's lead during the race.
Got this point?
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yes i understand what you mean, and i would agree with you if it was close to the end of the season, but theres 36 days left... that would be 36 days of our PO system annoying some of tus's most active and skilled players
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it hasnt been changed, its been fixed. Now its doing what it should of done before. If anyone people should be worried that last seasons playoffs were selected incorrectly.
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it hasnt been changed, its been fixed.
I don't wank, I just feel myself?
No points in your post, Tom.
I could agree with Wooka but not with your opinion since you haven't one.
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my point is its been fixed. Not changed. Therefore no reason for you to cry because the system has been fixed to do what it orginally ment to do. Its still picking 1st,3rd,5th,7th from seasonal, and 2nd,4th,6th,8th for overall which is what was agreed on when it was put into place. There was a bug and MI fixed the bug. The playoff system hasnt changed like you think it has.
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LOL.
did you change this for current season?
You CANNOT apply changes for the current season.
Let's change them so i will go into PO.
Or let us wait for each person who is not at PO atm and wants to be in PO proposes his solution how he could be in PO using new rules.
PR this will teach you too read properly through threads before jumping to conclusions.
The new system awards CORRECT PO positions ACCORDING to the current TUS PO requirements.
The old PO positioning system DID NOT award placement ACCORDING to the current TUS PO requirements.
Nobody new would enter POs simply because of these changes, the players eligable for POs before and after the change remained the SAME.
The only thing that has changed, is that the system now looks at BOTH of your ratings and awards you the highest PO spot it can given each indivdual rating. If your overall rating gets you to 5th, but your seasonal to 1st, then it will place you 1st.
The old system considered the overall rating BEFORE the seasonal rating. This is bad because it meant that the top seasonal player would only position 1st if he had a low enough overall rating, which quite clearly doesnt make sense.
The old system was BUGGED! The system is now WORKING!
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ah, got your point now.
It was a BUG FIX. Not just rearrangement within PO positions.
So let us close the polemics.
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have you seen the difference from what is was before pr? this way is alot fairer, and thats coming from some1 who isnt qualified
I'm not talking about differences.
I'm trying to point to that fact when you all out of a sudden changed the system for the CURRENT season.
Imagine a situation:
There is a biathlon race, Bjorndalen has a 50 sec advantage before he starts shooting the last targets. He misses two times. And out of a sudden judges tell him to run 4 circuits instead of 2. He was followed by Berger who does not miss any target and goes ahead Bjorndalen and wins.
And Berger tried to invent some stuff to harden Bjorndalen's lead during the race.
Got this point?
I liked this example alot! But there is only one thing is not very realistic; Lars Berger would never be able to hit all five, he never does :D I`m glad you guys worked this out anyway, keep improving the league is important :)
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I liked this example alot! But there is only one thing is not very realistic; Lars Berger would never be able to hit all five, he never does :D I`m glad you guys worked this out anyway, keep improving the league is important :)
yeah, but only Lars could ever catch him up :D let us imagine he had auto-aim bot on ;)
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I have one more suggestion for this, I think the system should select the players from the seasonal top 20 only. I lost 120 points yesterday and I am only 21st, so I don't deserve to be in as much as others.
For the current standings, it should be like Csongi gets 4th place, ZiPpO the 6th and Chicken23 the 8th (instead of me stealing away the 4th place).
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but then u have the flori case... is so hard for him to get into the top 20 page on seasonal stats because his overall is so high he doesnt gain much.
maybe u mean if you drop out of overall top 20?
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I mean the opposite Flori case, when some people were pissed off why Flori got into the PO when he was only 121st in the season... Then maybe top 40? That isn't too hard.