The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Other Things => Off Topic => Topic started by: Kradie on December 04, 2020, 08:02 PM
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There's a lot of talk about the covid-19 vaccine. Will you be taking it when it is first released and certified by health professional and government? Obama will be taking it live, I believe Bill Gates will do the same? Any thoughts on this?
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why wouldn't you take it?
I've worked in life sciences in drug development for past 10 years and regulatory bodies are very precise and stringent on the safety and efficacy analysis of an IND (investigational new drug/device) before approval.
go to www.clinicaltrials.gov and read statistical reports and protocols if your an anti-vaccine and realise that these new medicines are all following the proper process. Your talking about at least hundreds of thousands of patients enrolled onto a clinical trial with no serious adverse events so far, and some of these people have taken the trial vaccines at the start of the pandemic over 9 months ago when it was phrase 1.
Stop believing bullshit you read on the internet and actually research peer reviewed science.
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I'm immuno-compromised and have a chronic illness, so I will be getting the vaccine as soon as I am able.
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When it's released it'll be some of the most vulnerable people who get it first. If you're young and healthy there'll probably be a lot more data on it by the time you get it.
I've had to start taking an immunosuppressant this year due to my severe allergies. Supposedly this can mean I need a double dose of some vaccines, so that's something I have to look into. I'll definitely get it when I can.
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Russian medicine is at its last breathe, and they said they made three vaccines hahaha :D . I would take an imported vaccine and only without paying a kopeika. But occupational government wont do anything good for the population, ever.
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The Russian vaccine was meant to have been rushed and several regulatory bodies were worried about the safety of Sputnik. I read this about 6 months ago, then last week BBC is listing Sputnik as one of the approved vaccines, even though earlier in year they said how it was raising questions in the drug development community.
My wife is extremely clinically vulnerable and a high priority to be vaccinated than over 70s!
it will take a while before those under 50 without any serious health conditions can get one.
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Edit: Word marked Red is changed to Virus. Before it said Vaccine.
I won't be taking it because despite what these ''health experts'' say, I don't buy it. You may obviously think I lean toward the comfort of conspiracy theorist zone now, but I have my own reason to why. So this train of thought yours could be dangerous, and cause a divide between the population who believes in the vaccine. The lethalness of this VIRUS is minuscule, you are likely to die of something else anyway, especially pre-covid-19 times. So this vaccine is basically a biological certification for people to gain access to society's offering: Travel, Stores, & Restaurants & clubs etc. I believe UK is already preparing for health passport. What I fear most is what will happen to those who doesn't take the vaccine, will their freedom be limited & eventually stripped away? You must comply, otherwise you are viewed as a human carrying a biological disease.
It is so stupid of Government officials, & high status people to take the vaccine live, just to gain trust of the people. Like you have to, it is totally safe. I already warned people about the vaccine, stay the f@#! away from that nefarious shot of death.
And someone send Klaus Schwab a white cat so his character portrayal will be more accurate.
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The lethalness of this vaccine is minuscule
nefarious shot of death.
Nice self-contradiction.
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EDIT: You are right Bloop, I did contradict myself because of a typo. Instead of ''Vaccine'' It should had been ''Virus''.
But here is the response I wrote to what to this contradiction though.
The lethalness of this vaccine is minuscule
nefarious shot of death.
Nice self-contradiction.
How so? Do you think that I believe people are going to start dying like flies when they get the vaccine? Then you are mistaken. Let me elaborate what I meant. The latter of what you quote from me is a metaphor. People are led by fear & Ignorance, and therefor they will take the vaccine & be continued be instructed by fear, as obedient docile slaves. Because slaves have no option but to obey & follow instruction, their liberty is dead. We all know that this vaccine will not be the last one, because we know that there is a third wave of this virus heading our way, and i bet more will come. You'll see.
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The lethalness of this VIRUS is minuscule
Name a more lethal virus in the last few hundred years
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Educate yourself and think about others.
The % of mortality in younger age groups is tiny, but soon as you get into 60-70, 70-80, and 80+ years of age you can get into as high as 20% mortality by confirmed cases.
This is a disease that threatens vulnerable and elderly lives. There are also people suffering with long covid effects and never fully recovering (young adults!) Just because you may not count as that demographic, doesn't make it a conspiracy.
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age
As I've said, I've worked in drug development, life sciences and exposed to a lot of accurate covid resources, I've linked to two resources now. I suggest you find some time to read up and expand your range of literature and thinking before drawing conclusions.
To your point about liberty and freedoms, that is a different conversation on do governments hold the rights to restrict our freedoms for our protection and something that people have difficulty agreeing all over the world. The UK won't have 'covid' passports from all i know, and its not even enforcing people to take the vaccines, but advising.
Covid will never go, it will be with us forever, but we'll have vaccines to control the disease and protect, just like we do for polio, malaria etc.
Whats dangerous if the fake news and conspiracy
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Read communism history.
Read about current communism in North Korea.
Read about how many deaths those countries are responsible for. On their own people.
Read about the people who did not die but lived in those countries, and almost starving to death was a daily routine for many.
How do you think those countries got there?
I can tell you it was not by having a peaceful country one day and overnight the government made the switch from 0 to a 100.
It was by removing their fundamental rights one step at a time. Removing free speech, censorship. It was by removing their freedom of choice.
And the argument? "This is for your own safety."
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"It's my right to choose to die of a deadly virus!"
Cool. Great. Some real rocket surgery going on in this thread. I'm surprised you can see the keyboard through the eyeholes in your hood.
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What's your stance on seat belts?
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Seat belts are a decent analogy but usually only for one's own safety. Getting vaccinated is for the safety of everyone else around you too. So an even better analogy would be mandatory vehicle inspection. Choosing not to be vaccinated for COVID-19 is like someone choosing to drive an unroadworthy truck and then causing a deadly highway pileup. A few countries already had 1 in 1000 people die and the pandemic is still going on. What figure do the deaths have to reach to be above 'minuscule'?
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Seat belts are a decent analogy but usually only for one's own safety. Getting vaccinated is for the safety of everyone else around you too. So an even better analogy would be mandatory vehicle inspection. Choosing not to be vaccinated for COVID-19 is like someone choosing to drive an unroadworthy truck and then causing a deadly highway pileup. A few countries already had 1 in 1000 people die and the pandemic is still going on. What figure do the deaths have to reach to be above 'minuscule'?
How much does communism kill?
This analogy is insane. The vaccine is not guaranteed to work it's been stated. Plus you will have to take the vaccine yearly. This coronavirus as other diseases will never go away. Alzheimer's disease is still around as well as cancer, hiv/aids, ebola, and so on. Why show commitment to something so fabricated as covid-19 while you could had done something else for the world?
Btw, if you want to be safe wear a mask, if you want to feel better take the vaccine, don't go down forcing your ideology down other people's throat. For example: 3 people meet in the park, 1 doesn't wear a mask, who is risking their life? If there is anything to risk, it is more about liberty that is at risk.
About this miniscule thing, take a peek here
https://www.aier.org/article/the-censorship-of-dr-briand/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3ihv9O0UBS4B/
I respect that you are ''educated'' Chicken, but perhaps you shouldn't find alternative opinions and sources as irrefutable. Nothing wrong in an open discussion about things you may not feel comfortable in.
If elderly & challenged people are the culprit of covid death, perhaps the authority should restrict their access to society rather than the healthy one.
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Plus you will have to take the vaccine yearly.
I highly doubt it. Early indications suggest that COVID-19 doesn't mutate nearly as fast as the yearly flu strains. Also, some COVID-19 vaccines may help protect against not only other strains, but other coronaviruses including the common cold as well. Just as some people with better immunity against colds can be less susceptible to COVID-19 (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-cells-common-cold-may-recognize-sars-cov-2).
A better comparison could be measles. The measles vaccine keeps on working. Anti-vaxxers are at least partly to blame for 70+ kids dying in the Samoan outbreak last year.
Regarding your links, what you want to look up is the 'excess mortality' rate, ie. the number of deaths from all causes above what's considered 'normal':
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.
If too many deaths were being attributed to COVID-19, you'd expect the 2nd number to be bigger than the first.
Also, wearing a mask f@#!ing sucks. I have bad allergies and need to wipe my nose all the time. Luckily for me my country takes COVID-19 very seriously and eradicates it when it appears. Right now we have more freedom here than almost any other country and our economy is better off overall than it would be if we didn't have lockdowns in the past.
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I respect that you are ''educated'' Chicken, but perhaps you shouldn't find alternative opinions and sources as irrefutable. Nothing wrong in an open discussion about things you may not feel comfortable in.
If elderly & challenged people are the culprit of covid death, perhaps the authority should restrict their access to society rather than the healthy one.
This is the whole social dilemma of COVID and the decisions that governments decide to take. Look at Sweden with no lockdown, vs Norway, Denmark and Finland. The deaths per capita in Sweden is one of the highest due to COVID.
You are right though that people can decide to take no risks and therefore some countries may enforce no restrictions. You won't please everyone. It's also unfair to lock the elderly and vulnerable away and never let them see the light of day, but that does mean its unfair to restrict the masses and enforce having social distancing restrictions on others? There is no right answer and just our different sociological and political beliefs.
At the end of the day, this thread was about taking the vaccine or not, which is a personal choice and the UK government isn't forcing this on people. As bloopy pointed out anti-vaxers are also causing issues with children getting measles and deaths associated with this, anti-vaxing was happening before COVID, but the issue for me is the misinformation and propaganda that social media and news sites spread.
From a safety perspective, these vaccines will be very safe, and taking them should be encouraged. Not just to protect yourself, but also to hopefully protect others, although currently no evidence on this but only time will tell.
This whole pandemic I wished I lived in NZ where the rules were much stricter and it resulted in their country being covid free and living a normal life. Unfortunately the UK is so densely populated and has so much air traffic that we could never do a lockdown like NZ did and stop people coming into the country.
My personal beliefs are mother nature is hitting back at humans for overpopulating the world, climate change is a bigger issue and we have a massive population crisis. Maybe the world needs more disease and death to stop us destroying this plant beyond the point of repair? However we should look to protect lives and educate ourselves to limit our population growth (fewer families having fewer children) and use noncarbon energy sources to slow global warming. Go vegan and stop hoarding animals together so closely to allow for these type of viruses to evolve. Farming isn't natural when you think about it.
ps. I'm not vegan but realize the meat trade is causing issues.
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Read communism history.
Read about current communism in North Korea.
Read about how many deaths those countries are responsible for. On their own people.
Read about the people who did not die but lived in those countries, and almost starving to death was a daily routine for many.
How do you think those countries got there?
I can tell you it was not by having a peaceful country one day and overnight the government made the switch from 0 to a 100.
It was by removing their fundamental rights one step at a time. Removing free speech, censorship. It was by removing their freedom of choice.
And the argument? "This is for your own safety."
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/894/747/5f0.png)
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I Always thought Norway were a very f@#!ing nice place were incapable to produce peoples like Kradie lol, but everyday we learn a bit more, i had covid-19 but did not feel anything, i just realised it after a blood test, but i have seen many peoples getting f@#!ed cos of this virus, and many died, many close peoples from me, of couse this virus wont kill the world and if theres no vaccine we would pass thought but with much more deaths ahead, i dont see the problem at taking a vaccine i might take too even if i dont need to.
Kradie i suggest you to move your stinky asshole from you confortable chair and visit travel the world to know the reality and stop talking about things you think you know cos u did read on internet or saw a vid on youtube. more than 1 million people died cos covid-19 how many peoples lives in Norway ?? Around 5.3 million?? 20% of Norway population died of covid-19, np right? ok MR Kradie!! lol come to Brazil to meet the reality of the public hospital where many peoples died cos did not even had a doctor to help cos the health system were full !!! You f@#!ing puto. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm not taking the vaccine. Before you say I'm an Anti-vaxxer, here's the REAL reason. (http://toastytech.com/evil/index.html)
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I Always thought Norway were a very f@#!ing nice place were incapable to produce peoples like Kradie lol, but everyday we learn a bit more, i had covid-19 but did not feel anything, i just realised it after a blood test, but i have seen many peoples getting f@#!ed cos of this virus, and many died, many close peoples from me, of couse this virus wont kill the world and if theres no vaccine we would pass thought but with much more deaths ahead, i dont see the problem at taking a vaccine i might take too even if i dont need to.
Kradie i suggest you to move your stinky asshole from you confortable chair and visit travel the world to know the reality and stop talking about things you think you know cos u did read on internet or saw a vid on youtube. more than 1 million people died cos covid-19 how many peoples lives in Norway ?? Around 5.3 million?? 20% of Norway population died of covid-19, np right? ok MR Kradie!! lol come to Brazil to meet the reality of the public hospital where many peoples died cos did not even had a doctor to help cos the health system were full !!! You f@#!ing puto. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Turn off your drain on your eyes nino. If you expect people's sympathy you shouldn't hold prejudice on one's opinion. I can't sit here in my comfortable chair and cry for the deaths of million people, I can't sit here in my comfortable chair and cry for every single human in this world that parishes for whatever reason not only from Covid-19. I choose not to leave my comfortable chair to witness the obvious horror that transpire in our world but not only by Covid-19's doing. Liberty around the world is restricted, there are a lot of checkpoints, and this remind me of something of two of the Russian's neighboring countries far east.
20% of Norway population died of Covid-19? And you tell me to do my research? Perhaps you meant cases, but deaths? Nah. Norway is pretty good considering.
I am against the vaccine. I remember the swine flu outbreak, everyone were going insane. I was sitting comfortably in my chair watching on my nice TV, a large queue of desperate people waiting for the vaccine. Later on it showed that these people experience nasty side effects, it damaged them pretty bad, even for life. So the guy in the comfortable chair was like ''Better them not me, because I am not falling for this shit''. And here we are again, 10 years later, same shit but on a bigger scale. Who's going to have the last laugh? CCP? The vaccinated people? Klaus Schwab? Globalists? SJWs? Or the Freedom Fighters? We shall see.
Does it sound like I am this cold cynical evil bad guy now huh? Not really, none are really any better. Here is why: People are so righteous that their are blinded of their own vanity. How so? Human are instructed to follow when told and they normally comply. As result, they think what they are doing is for the greater good, just because a higher power told them to unite and fight something, in this case the virus. But Imagine if human were told by government around the world to adopt 1 starving child to their household from Africa, because starvation? But we all know this has been going on for years! Why now? Solidarity don't mean a thing unless if it is profitable.
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There is no higher calling than service and no more compelling emotion than compassion
I hope you find empathy for the suffering of others at some point Kradie. Not everything is as black and white as you purport it to be.
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There is no higher calling than service and no more compelling emotion than compassion
I hope you find empathy for the suffering of others at some point Kradie. Not everything is as black and white as you purport it to be.
Again, I can't cry for each life that leaves our world. It would only exhaust me, this is human. We have no time to process every death. All we can do at occasion is to acknowledge and sympathize, but to dwell on it will stop you from living.
It sucks that people suffer, it sucks that people die, it sucks people are left behind in tears after their loved ones have passed away. Everything is not black & white Walrus. 361 people in Norway have died in Norway of Covid-19.- Over 600 people have taken their lives in 2018 in Norway. This year 140 people committed suicide. Just imagine how much this is for such a small country as Norway though? Norwegian citizen takes Christmas very seriously, and many are anxious to be left alone, unfortunately some are marooned & are likely to go down the dark road.
So what's the point? There are other social issue? There have always been other issues? Why care now? Just use common sense, if you want to protect yourself, do it, if you want the vaccine, go ahead and take it. You are responsible for your own health if you take it.
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I am against the vaccine. I remember the swine flu outbreak, everyone were going insane. I was sitting comfortably in my chair watching on my nice TV, a large queue of desperate people waiting for the vaccine. Later on it showed that these people experience nasty side effects, it damaged them pretty bad, even for life. So the guy in the comfortable chair was like ''Better them not me, because I am not falling for this shit''.
I already said you wouldn't be first in line for the COVID-19 vaccine anyway, and such recent mistakes aren't forgotten quickly. Just because most of us say we would take the vaccine, doesn't mean we're saying that we'll be the first to rush out and take something that hasn't been tested properly! There's nothing wrong with being cautious, especially if the health system in one's country is questionable. But there'll be a point when some of the vaccines are known to be safe and effective and only conspiracy theorists are scared of them.
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*sigh*
When will you people learn, stop feeding the troll!
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I am against the vaccine. I remember the swine flu outbreak, everyone were going insane. I was sitting comfortably in my chair watching on my nice TV, a large queue of desperate people waiting for the vaccine. Later on it showed that these people experience nasty side effects, it damaged them pretty bad, even for life. So the guy in the comfortable chair was like ''Better them not me, because I am not falling for this shit''.
I already said you wouldn't be first in line for the COVID-19 vaccine anyway, and such recent mistakes aren't forgotten quickly. Just because most of us say we would take the vaccine, doesn't mean we're saying that we'll be the first to rush out and take something that hasn't been tested properly! There's nothing wrong with being cautious, especially if the health system in one's country is questionable. But there'll be a point when some of the vaccines are known to be safe and effective and only conspiracy theorists are scared of them.
You may say or think that my mind is warped & twisted because of conspiracy theorists, but hear me out, what if the vaccine is not designed to help? Maybe just in small dosages? What if we are further indoctrinated with these dystopian rules? People are already accustomed to them. Can this be even irrefutable? Even if you have faith in the system? I get what you're saying, the novelty of it, but can you get me? Yeah I don't have complete faith in this particular system, I find it shady. So my view comes from this. I am allowed to have it right?
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of course you are Kradie. You have freedom or choice and speech.
Just like everyone has a choice to take the vaccine.
I'm really struggling to see the link you are trying to make between a vaccine that can save lives, and governments control on liberty. They are two totally different things and not linked in anyway form whatever.
You believe global governments are scaring everyone into taking a vaccine that will cause them harm?
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The link is that people who choose not to take the vaccine may lose some freedoms. Eg. not being allowed on flights or public transport, or losing their jobs, especially if they work in the health sector or with the elderly. Which is just common sense really considering the number of people dropping dead daily.
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Freedom of choice and freedom of speech are not freedom from consequence.
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of course you are Kradie. You have freedom or choice and speech.
Just like everyone has a choice to take the vaccine.
I'm really struggling to see the link you are trying to make between a vaccine that can save lives, and governments control on liberty. They are two totally different things and not linked in anyway form whatever.
You believe global governments are scaring everyone into taking a vaccine that will cause them harm?
I understand that you having a difficult time to understand my viewpoint. So let me try break it down.
I am not just believing that the governments are trying to scare us into taking the vaccine, it is more sinister than that.
If you want your people to follow you, you will need an alibi, in our case it is Covid-19. As serious as this virus is, it works as a tool for the government to control their citizen. So what better way is to control people with? It is fear & propaganda, one of the main ingredient for people to conform to. It is only natural that a citizen wants to be protected, protection against diseases & deaths. Again, listen carefully to what I say now, I am not dismissing the seriousness of this virus, but I am not disputing the alternative factors that the number of cases and deaths can be fixed to further indoctrination of people.
Let's go back a bit to early days of the virus and gradually come back to now. Virus comes & governments ''suggests'' to their citizens to wear masks and safe distance themselves from one another. That sounds good in practice right? You feel like you are part of a collective doing good? Because we human want to feel part of the greater good right? As time marches on, we see changes in our society, pavements are marked where to go, warning signs on the wall instructing us what to do, & plexiglass in shops and businesses. Humans allow themselves to further be indoctrinated by fear because it is all in the name of solidarity.
Second wave hits (Which I talked about MONTHS ago), more of our liberty is restricted but by then human are easier to bossed around in the name of survival. We hear talk about health passport, health app & vaccine, all which is optional or in development. There are already installed health checkpoints, where people are examined before being allowed to travel. People have already been harassed by the flight attendants on planes for not wearing a mask while they were eating their food. There's been many instances of this, where people resist and people who conform in the name of fear and ignorance.
Third wave is announced, we have heard already that humanity is going back to normal long before, but the date seem to get pushed back more and more. The vaccine against the virus is likely not to be the LAST and final vaccine. THIS is the new normal we we will hear about new vaccines yearly, I am sure of it, and you will need documentation that you've taken it if you want some of your liberty.
So during all of this, people have lost their jobs, lost their businesses, and now they rely on the government to get payed. Many which resort to substance abuse, and suicide. Their very meaning as human was stripped away from them in name of solidarity.
So why wouldn't governments around the world go back to the normal? Because it is not profitable. Why end wars? Why end terrorism? It is not profitable, fear drives it, and Covid-19 is pinnacle of profitability. CCP, WHO, EU, Globalists, Green activists, Big Tech, MSM, & Vaccine Companies, they are the real winners, while we run around as their guinea pigs. The Media, the driving force of the narrative, instructed by the overlords, and once you hear an alternate voice E,g by me, you laugh, & dismiss it. This is how they control us and want you to behave.
I said before, I don't want to be right, because the world we live in now 2020 has been shit. When I hear people embraces strict lockdown and curfew, that scares the shit out of me.
Agenda 2030, enough said.
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This is the whole social dilemma of COVID and the decisions that governments decide to take. Look at Sweden with no lockdown, vs Norway, Denmark and Finland. The deaths per capita in Sweden is one of the highest due to COVID.
i like the sweden thing.
the "massive" death rate there is one thing our media tries to tell us, cause swedens way of dealing with the virus doesn't fit to other countries concepts.
but take a look:
https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=sw&v=26&l=en (https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=sw&v=26&l=en)
hm, pretty much like evey year in sweden. also pretty low compared to 20 years ago.
i now a better way of getting rid of the virus than the vaccine:
turn off tv, don't read newspapers.
dont get fooled by our manipulative fear-inducing media world.
as soon as this virus gets outta ppls heads, it can get back what it actually is (i'm exaggerating here, cause all about this virus is exaggerated):
a common cold.
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I have watched friends lose parents, husbands, brother and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and children to this illness. f@#! you for downplaying the severity of it. People like you are the reason we're still trying to tackle it, because of selfish pricks like you.
I hope you get this damned disease so you can see just how unlike a cold it truly is.
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So why wouldn't governments around the world go back to the normal? Because it is not profitable. Why end wars? Why end terrorism? It is not profitable, fear drives it, and Covid-19 is pinnacle of profitability. CCP, WHO, EU, Globalists, Green activists, Big Tech, MSM, & Vaccine Companies, they are the real winners, while we run around as their guinea pigs. The Media, the driving force of the narrative, instructed by the overlords, and once you hear an alternate voice E,g by me, you laugh, & dismiss it. This is how they control us and want you to behave.
this is totally incorrect. The governments want their countries to be profitable and for the economy to boom. Money is the biggest driver and hopefully one day we'll stop focusing on profit (look at some of the economic beliefs of David Attenborough about sustainable economic models). The only reason why some western governments have not gone full lockdown is because of the economy. This is the political debate between conservative and more socialist parties, that governments who are conservative want fewer restrictions so the economy isn't badly impacted. COVID is causing huge economic recessions and governments are paying out of their pockets to bail out businesses and individuals, it is not in their interest to impose restrictions because they aren't gaining any profit from it that you claim they want.
If your argument is about control and governments restricting liberty as we prepare for the new normal, what is the motive behind this assuming I've convenience you its not a monetary motive?
Also, the countries which have the highest death toll and the ones which have imposed the least restrictions. Asia has dealt with the virus so well because they are so authoritarian. New Zealand had one of the strictest lockdowns and took advantage of being an island nation. Countries like Singapore and Taiwan which are so densely populated have been strict and protected lives and done the best, and now their economics are in a much better place because they live with very few restrictions.
The problem with COVID is that for most people it is symptomless and won't be deadly, but for others, it's a nail in the coffin. Like I said in an earlier post, it's not as easy as giving people the freedom to take their own risks, because its on thing imposing restrictions on things that damage yourself, like drugs are illegal when perhaps they shouldn't be in a pure liberty sense, but with covid, giving you freedom won't just put yourself in danger, it puts others in danger... Now the argument there is educating people on the dangers of covid and letting people choose if they want to venture out and risk close contact. I know people that have lived normally since the virus, going for meals out, the gym, they really don't care and are risk-averse, I know other people that wash everything down from the mail order supermarket and won't see a single other person and locked themselves away. You are right that the vaccine is one of many, this is a coronavius, the same as a common cold.
The biggest thing in society is accepting everyone is different, but being tolerant of those differences, I'm not sitting here and telling you that you can't have an opinion on this. But I can tell you I disagree with you, just as much as you disagree with me :)
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Nice Post Frango23 if i could i would kiss your mouth!!! ops nope!! cos covid!!
But anyways all u wrote is true, iam an exemple of symptomless.
It is not about freedom it is about saving lifes, if you want smell cocain from the ass till die i give you all suport i can even buy you cocain cos thats your life ONLY then f@#! off you wanna die.
But be a Rebel Wanna be like Kancier who wants to get covid and pass too his and others grampas it too much. >:( >:( >:( ;D ;D ;D
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if we get the covid vaccine... do we still have to wear a mask? how will they know who got the shot or not? will masks go away just cause the vaccine is out? that would be lovely. lol
on a more serious note... i'll wait and see but i will most likely be getting it... i get flu shots every year so.. i know that's diff but yea... xbox series x for life
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I'll still be wearing a mask when I go out, probably for the rest of my life. This entire pandemic has taught just how little other people seem to care, both about their own hygiene and how their actions affect others. As an immuno-compromised adult, I can't risk it anymore.
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I will only get vaccinated if there are reputable, long term studies showing that it is both safe and effective. I've seen what is in the vaccine and for now I say no thanks! I don't want some mystery vaccine f@#!ing up my DNA. The flu vaccine is just about worthless as far as I'm concerned. I've taken it twice and got sick both times afterwards.
I don't know a good solution to all of this. I hate masks, hate lockdown, and want to go back to normal life. I do think that Covid is a real and serious issue but I also do think that the media scare is overblown and it's not as deadly as they are making it out to be. I fear for the economic security of my own city and nation because this pandemic is destroying local businesses at record rates. I consider myself blessed that I have a job and have worked through the entire ordeal without having to go on unemployment.
I try not to buy into the conspiracy side of this situation too much but it's hard not to think about tbh. I also say that China f@#!ing sucks and is obviously behind all of this. It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.
I will also say this: I do not know 100% for sure but I feel like my lungs are kinda f@#!ed up since getting covid.
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It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.
Since it's a "fact", can you share evidence of this? Otherwise it is merely a personal opinion of yours.
I'm not saying you are wrong, and i'm not saying you are right, I do my own research and have my own beliefs, but usually when people make bold statements like that, at least with issues that affect the entire world, they tend to try and back it up with something credible.
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This thread is an interesting case study to me, how paranoia causes a constant fear of new things and government, no matter the situation. In the absence of proof, there is supposition presented as fact. I think there is a bit of mental illness going on here too. This is great stuff for my school dissertation. Keep it coming, conspiracists!
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More for SJW Walrus to study
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EU5b9cR4BE6D/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rMGBWjevEBwr/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Hmxo720ccw4V/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lKCTkLJbtT4/
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Current prevailing theories is that COVID-19 actually originated in either India or, haha, Los Angeles. China is just the first country to identify it as a new virus.
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WHat about this?
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It pisses me off that the fact that this virus is man made is not discussed. This isn't some random flulike illness... it's a weapon.
Since it's a "fact", can you share evidence of this? Otherwise it is merely a personal opinion of yours.
I'm not saying you are wrong, and i'm not saying you are right, I do my own research and have my own beliefs, but usually when people make bold statements like that, at least with issues that affect the entire world, they tend to try and back it up with something credible.
There's numerous scientists around the world who have analyzed the virus and shown clear evidence of insertions, deletions, and manipulation of the DNA. According to them there's no way it is naturally-occurring. I don't exactly have links bookmarked for ease of sharing but it's out there if you care to look. There's also the testimony of that female scientist who was working at the lab in Wuhan, and that's pretty damning. The problem when it comes to offering any sort of statement about shit like this is someone invariably always asks for proof, and as I said before, I don't keep a folder on my computer full of proof, or a folder of links in my bookmarks to pull out anytime someone challenges me.
It always cracks me up when people offhandedly dismiss anything that doesn't fit the media narrative as 'conspiracy theory' when time and time again things turn out to be real. It's like... how many times do conspiracy theories need to be proven true before people start distrusting the media and the government? People think Alex Jones is a kook (and he kinda is lol) but he's also been 100% right on the money when it comes to several things over the years. That's a more extreme example of a public figure but suffice it to say that conspiracy theory has turned out to be conspiracy fact so many times that it's hard not to believe a lot of astonishing things, especially when the sources happen to be extremely reputable, and especially when you actually learn the history of how and why information is occult, compartmentalized, and disseminated.
The problem with topics like this is that we all kinda do our own 'homework' (so to speak) but unless we take the time to actually collate and present the information (with sources) in an informative and easy-to-follow way, people are naturally going to assume that the other person is full of shit because of cognitive dissonance. That's just how it works. Trying to convince anyone of anything is almost impossible, especially adults. Basically, unless you can bust out a Powerpoint presentation any time the need arises, you might as well just not even bother because people who have studied the subject far less than you for far less time than you are going to laugh and call you ignorant or crazy.
If you actually trust the media and the government (or even think that the 'government' are who actually run the show), you're asleep.
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So the answer is no, you won't provide anything credible.
Thanks for confirming.
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Vincent you are making the classic mistake of your reach exceeding your grasp
The currency of the internet is proof, and the burden of proof is firmly upon the person who makes the outlandish claims, not the other way around
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There's numerous scientists around the world who have analyzed the virus and shown clear evidence of insertions, deletions, and manipulation of the DNA. According to them there's no way it is naturally-occurring. I don't exactly have links bookmarked for ease of sharing but it's out there if you care to look.
When I cared to look, I found this link (https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-lab-rumour), which says:
"Two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2."
Note the reported 96% similarity of the RaTG13 coronavirus that infects bats in the above link may be way too high:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200910/Scientists-claim-serious-data-discrepancies-in-RaTG13-sequence.aspx
Regardless, as the first link says, a 4% difference would've represented 20-50 years of separate evolution anyway. Not insertions and deletions (they would be noticed). Science just isn't that advanced yet. Nature is a million times more efficient. With all the virus mutations happening out there in the real world among sick animals and sick people, it's like Earth is a quantum supercomputer trying all possibilities while the scientists are still running DOS 3.3.
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How is my claim "outlandish" when we had all kinds of evidence towards the beginning of this epidemic of prominent scientists/virologists stating that it is fact manmade? Instead, we are to trust who, exactly? (Maybe those original scientists recanted their statements?) The fact of the matter is that I could not possibly know for myself the truth of the situation, either way. I know that if I were to take the time to actually do some Google searching (which I won't, by the way, because I am not invested in the topic and don't give a shit about 'winning.') I am certain that I can find evidence both for and against the notion that it is man-made. It's entirely possible it is 100% naturally-occurring. I haven't followed this matter in months, to be honest, not since the Dr. Li story first broke.
As far as I am concerned, China is at the very least responsible for allowing their society to be ripe for the conditions for these new viruses to spread. This isn't the first time some f@#!ed-up illness spread from there, if it did. China sucks in general in so many ways and I say f@#! them.
The primary reason why I believe the pandemic was planned is because it was predicted and simulated on video a full year before it was identified anywhere (feel free to look up Event 201 on YouTube... it's all there), and many of the shitbag 'usual players' were a part of the simulation. It was also widespread in the U.S. well before it was even reported in the news at all, and by the time it hit the news it was already nationwide. Combine that with population plans, Agenda 21, Event 201, WSB, China's tightening grip on the world, and myriad other factors and it wouldn't be surprising at all (to me, at least) to know that it was deliberate. Conspiracy theories seem silly to people who don't know much about them, and I admit there's a lot of complete bullshit involved in many of them. However, the more you study and the more you learn the more you can begin to connect the dots, and see the patterns. Unfortunately, conspiracy theories are just one of those things that people have to invest a very significant amount of time into and most people refuse to from the start because of the cognitive dissonance and stigma, so they just laugh and dismiss that sort of stuff almost as reflex. I used to be absolutely obsessed with conspiracies a long time ago but these days but I gave up keeping up on them nearly as much because it's SO much work and just makes you feel paranoid as f@#! and angry all of the time.
Anyhow, at this point all I really care about is eradicating it as much as possible and getting life back to normal ASAP to minimize the economic fallout.
Oh, and the word on the conspiracy grapevine is that Covid21 is gonna be a real thing and so much worse than Covid19 and that it will bring about massive social changes. Hopefully that's a load of bullshit too but basically it's more endgame, globalist speculation.
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It's so incredible that people think can "have their own opinion" when there's an argument regarding a complex scientific topic like vaccines, but today papa Sbaffo will explain you how it really works:
1 - You work your stupid ass for a couple years to get a degree
2 - If you were remarkably good, you get to master your studies
3 - Meanwhile you can start doing research with the knowledge that you have learnt
4 - You publish your research
5 - the scientific community will review your research and if it's good it will be accepted and later published
Therefore anyone here who has no competence at all, doesn't read scientific papers published on proper sourcers or have made their own opinion based on some foolish idea they made up or just because you read a few articles through the internet, you can go f@#! your-self. You have no idea how science works, and yet you pretend to know what's going on here. Get vaccinated and shut the f@#! up
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It's so incredible that people think can "have their own opinion" when there's an argument regarding a complex scientific topic like vaccines, but today papa Sbaffo will explain you how it really works:
1 - You work your stupid ass for a couple years to get a degree
2 - If you were remarkably good, you get to master your studies
3 - Meanwhile you can start doing research with the knowledge that you have learnt
4 - You publish your research
5 - the scientific community will review your research and if it's good it will be accepted and later published
Therefore anyone here who has no competence at all, doesn't read scientific papers published on proper sourcers or have made their own opinion based on some foolish idea they made up or just because you read a few articles through the internet, you can go f@#! your-self. You have no idea how science works, and yet you pretend to know what's going on here. Get vaccinated and shut the f@#! up
My sweet little naive kid, who comes off as superior & pretentious to the rest without adding anything of substance. Pathetic!
Just leave, your indoctrinated mind by the left has brainwashed you and countless of other little kids. Go and be afraid by the rising sea level, and take your mark like a nice little cattle. :D
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Whatever you say mr. "I dId My OwN rEsEaRcH"
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Chicken23 wants to centralize everything into one place, it's nice that Chicken23 wants to improve activity.
It will never happen with people like Kradie and skunk3 around, ignorantly provoking people with political debates like this, and generally being toxic.
To be honest i'm getting fed up with it myself, it's not just those 2 guys, I see an uncomfortable amount of people on WormNET being toxic as well, from racism, using homophobic slurs, being incredibly sexist.
Someone sent me some screenshots a few months back of a game with RichUK, Stoner, Melon, Maorius:
(https://i.imgur.com/uHBdTsa.jpg)
They told me they felt really bad after this game, in fact afaik that person doesn't even play anymore because of people like them, and they aren't the 1st person i've known in this situation. I often get people sharing such things because they know I care.
I've had countless people talk to me about Kradie, and how much of a toxic influence he is on this community.
The sad thing is, these kinds of conversations are common on this game, 2 of those people outright admit being racist, at least one of them stood against racism.
It actually makes me feel kinda bad, this game is a massive part of my life, i've put more time into this game than pretty much anything else in my life, at least up until around 2016, and there are so many toxic, homophobic, sexist and downright toxic people in this community that really make us look bad as a whole.
I genuinely believe this is the reason why this game has failed to bring in higher numbers of players, why the community is so divided, because although there are more people who generally behave well, are always friendly, the bad people are simply tolerated and there isn't enough being done to discourage toxic people from playing, however I am glad that bans are now being handed out for people using racist and homophobic slurs, it's not much but it's a start.
Political conversations should simply not be allowed on forums, if people wanna chat, they can do so in private or on public forums dedicated to such conversations.
We should really stop giving these people the chance to provoke people and spread their toxicity.
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Look who's talking who is raining waste from far above. Only wants to police everyone, force everyone to their low level. I know plenty of people who literally hates or just downright dislike Tus and its people. Why? Because they find a lot of them toxic & arrogant. People like Komodo who consistently preach about solidarity and but doesn't even commit to it and just label everyone to something negative when they don't agree with him. It is just pure hypocrisy to the ugliest level. When a SJW just puts everyone in a box and label it as toxic waste.
If the N word is to be banned, I would like to more words to be removed F, B, W, & C word. You don't make a better world by restricting 1 word.
If this forum would deny the right to discuss politics, religion, climate, good and bad of their country, and so on, Then all general things need to be denied, because people will always cry like Komodo when someone doesn't agree to their opinion. That's life, people are different, just avoid the people you do not like, the end.
Who the hell do you think you are though? You're not the only person around here put their heart & soul to this game. I've owned and played this game since late 90s, and there should be no reasons to discourage other people you don't see eye to eye with. It's just damn extreme. This thought process is dangerous. I know there are people who straight up dislike me, some of it I can actually understand, but I do know kind and honest people here who aren't as fiendish as you. My goal has always been to try get people together, people like you who breaks it up.
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Kradie just wants to bring people together! Except for queer folk, the Jewish, black people, people of color generally, women, genderfluid or otherwise gender-questioning folk, and anybody who doesn't look and/or think exactly as he does. What's so wrong with that?
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Kradie just wants to bring people together! Except for queer folk, the Jewish, black people, people of color generally, women, genderfluid or otherwise gender-questioning folk, and anybody who doesn't look and/or think exactly as he does. What's so wrong with that?
Not only that, but he keeps stealing other people's ideas and slapping a brand new label on them, he outright lies and contradicts himself very often, which is easy to prove if you copy his words and compare them to his actions, he was once caught doing this on Discord, deleted his latter comment only to have someone paste it back in because they have that version of Discord where everything is kept.
He also accuses people of acting the way he actually acts, without any evidence whatsoever, but most of the things I see people say about him, there is actually evidence of, and when you actually show him evidence he starts saying things like, "How do you expect me to act when everybody is attacking me?". He fails to realize that people are not attacking him most of the time, but rather acting defensively because he is more often than not the one who starts arguements by spreading misinformation and making ridiculous claims about serious issues the world is tackling.
He will constantly say things he cannot back up, makes wild accusations and claims without any shred of evidence whatsoever, his entire shtick is mostly made up of posting ridiculous YouTube videos and memes as if they are a reliable source of information and/or education.
A lot of people have suffered, or know someone who has suffered from the issues that Kradie spreads misinformation about, which is why they act so defensively and get so riled up against him. Now, this is definitely me speculating but I feel like Kradie is aware of this and it's actually something that makes him feel good, some sick sense of pleasure he must get from acting like this.
I am just glad to not live in the same vicinity as him, unfortunately though having to suffer his existence in this game, but grateful my luck in life didn't cause my birth in his vicinity and have to suffer him face to face.
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I'm gonna take the vaccine when it's available to me.
I see what covid can do to people every day at work, even if it's a minority of people.
If you're at risk, you take the vaccine to protect yourself.
If you're not at risk, you take it to protect your family who's at risk and friends who are at risk (or their family).
The vaccine has an extremely low risk involved, less than crossing a busy street. Vaccines only work for the population if a high percentage of people take it.
If you're not willing to take an extremely low risk for the benefit of friends and family, you're not a good friend.
It saddens me when people say 'it's just the flu' and my reply is 'you mean the flu that raged across the world in 1918-1920 and killed millions?'.
The ICU in my hospital is half full of people who have a disease that, and I can't stress this enough, did not even exist a little more than one year ago. 100 years of science later, where we put people on the moon, eradicated some diseases entirely, and made it possible for people to talk to others across the world with a tiny device in the palm of their hands.
And yet, here we are, doubting everything science says despite its success story. People are just as dumb as in 1918.
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Aeee D1 thats why u r my hero!!!
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A 99.7 % survival rate is not a pandemic.
So far in Norway 421 people have died of Covid, & an average die of the flu is 900 people per year here.
271 of 421 were over 80 and died of covid-19.
A chief physician in Norway said this in an interview (translated)
- I was quite worried when I first heard about the virus, but as numbers and research on mortality came, this fear has disappeared. The figures we have indicate that this disease is not much more dangerous than the flu. In my opinion, there is therefore no connection between the closed measures and the mortality rate for this disease, Næss told TV 2.
But yeah this is from my country. Still, please quiver in fear, the virus is watching you. Be an obedient cattle as you are ^^
;D
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This sub-forum is literally called "off topic" so why would sociopolitical issues not be allowed here? That's idiotic.
Look at my post count. Am I really going out of my way to provoke or troll people on a regular basis? No. Komo, you're just demonizing people who don't agree with you. In case you or anyone else has forgotten, you are by far the biggest laughingstock on TUS. Look at your post count and think about all of the dumb shit you have said over the years and all of the dumb arguments you have gotten into and owned in. You're always looking to throw anyone you can under the bus and to point fingers. I've definitely said some provocative things on this site, mostly just to stir up some sort of activity because this community is on life support and most of the coolest players are long gone. I know how easy it is to provoke many of you, and that's why I do it - cheap laughs.
It's weird how I cannot remember anyone at all complaining about sexism or racism until just a few years ago when all of this social justice warrior nonsense started taking off. In fact, a great many people participated in it because years ago people understood that this is the internet and people are just acting silly. People knew not to get butthurt about each and every thing and act like some sort of moral exemplar because that shit is unwanted by anyone. As far as toxicity goes, that's entirely subjective and I reserve judgment in all cases.
I think it's weird that people act like these sorts of issues are unique to WA, or new. NOTHING HAS CHANGED and virtually all gaming communities have similar issues. If anyone actually thinks that the small amount of racist/sexist/whatever discussion in WA is the reason why this game is low in activity, they're laughably naive. The reason why activity is low is quite simple - it's nearly 2021 and this game came out in 1999. It's also a very particular sort of genre which isn't massively popular to begin with. The current popularity / activity of WA has absolutely f@#! ALL to do with player behavior UNLESS we are talking about impatient people who are unwilling to explain game rules to noobs and just kick them. THAT actually does put a lot of people off... not conversations about race or fat chicks or trannies or whatever.
Basically, what Komo is suggesting is that we ban any and all talk of subjects that triggers him, and ban / censor anyone he doesn't agree with. Just read his words. That's exactly what he wants. Well, the world isn't a safe space, snowflake. People disagree and we don't have to see eye-to-eye. Censorship is not the answer to any of these issues. Civil discourse is. No finger-pointing, no vitriol, no self-righteous and sanctimonious tirades. (I'm looking at you, Komo.)
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I personally will not be taking the vaccine until further testing has been done because I've already seen numerous reports of people being stricken with Bell's palsy after being vaccinated, becoming horribly sick, weak, fainting, etc. Nobody can say it is "low risk" yet because the research just isn't there. I am not a science denier by any means. All I am saying is that it is foolish to put ANYTHING in one's body unless you are damn sure what it will / can do to you. If you want to be at the front of the line to get vaccinated, by all means... be my guest. I'll wait until I am absolutely certain it's harmless.
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A friend of mine caught COVID earlier this year. She spent months quarantined in her room, bedridden. She did not have the strength to stand, she would sleep for hours on end, sometimes days at a time. After about five or six months, she was finally declared COVID-free. But it hasn't stopped there. She's had issues with circulation, with her lungs, with her heart. SHe's dealing with chronic fatigue, symptoms that are not dissimilar to fibromyalgia. She went to work for a couple of weeks, but had to stop because she could not stand on her own feet anymore.
COVID-19 isn't just about the survival rate. It's not "just a cold" - the effects linger in ways we still don't fully understand.
Anyone who reduces the disease to a survival rate percentage - especially with the number of deaths, which is being woefully under-reported - is misinformed at best. At worst, they're being intellectually dishonest. If it's the former, the good news is that organizations like WHO and the CDC can correct your misinformation.
If it's the latter, though? f@#! you. I hope you catch the worst possible form of this damned thing so you can experience for yourself just how unlike the flu it is.
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A friend of mine caught COVID earlier this year. She spent months quarantined in her room, bedridden. She did not have the strength to stand, she would sleep for hours on end, sometimes days at a time. After about five or six months, she was finally declared COVID-free. But it hasn't stopped there. She's had issues with circulation, with her lungs, with her heart. SHe's dealing with chronic fatigue, symptoms that are not dissimilar to fibromyalgia. She went to work for a couple of weeks, but had to stop because she could not stand on her own feet anymore.
COVID-19 isn't just about the survival rate. It's not "just a cold" - the effects linger in ways we still don't fully understand.
Anyone who reduces the disease to a survival rate percentage - especially with the number of deaths, which is being woefully under-reported - is misinformed at best. At worst, they're being intellectually dishonest. If it's the former, the good news is that organizations like WHO and the CDC can correct your misinformation.
If it's the latter, though? f@#! you. I hope you catch the worst possible form of this damned thing so you can experience for yourself just how unlike the flu it is.
I am well aware of all of this. The actual effects vary so wildly from person to person and I totally agree that we probably don't fully understand the virus yet. However, is it worth all of the lockdown and restrictions? Is it worth destroying our economy and way of life to protect us from a virus that barely affects most people who get it? A lot of people are asymptomatic entirely. Is it worth it? I say no. This is an economic holocaust and it needs to stop now.
It's possible your friend has some pre-existing condition. It shouldn't take 5 or 6 months for an otherwise healthy, young individual to fight off Covid.
Also, you think deaths are being UNDER-reported? lol... ok. Maybe where you live.
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:D skunk.
Post count has nothing to do with actual content, so pointing out I have the highest post count does nothing but show I am the most active poster and nothing else.
It's not something that was planned, I simply have so much passion for this game and this community, and spent most of my time either playing or reading/posting on here.
Generally speaking, opinionated and passionate people like me who are not afraid of confrontation ALWAYS have haters, it doesn't matter who you are or what you do, there will always be haters, so do what you love doing and have fun doing it, and the right people will come along. It is also a normal occurance for people to pay more attention to bad things than good things, so regardless of rubbing a few people the wrong way on here, there is a lot of mutual respect between myself and way more people, than there are people i've pissed off.
I don't demonize people who don't agree with me, you are generalizing over pretty much an individual and incredibly small aspect of my personality and behaviour based on the topics of political subjects, racism, homophobic slurs and sexism.
Not that you will ever see it because, thank goodness, you aren't a part of that part of my life, I have healthy debates and disagreements with people often in other areas of my life, and whenever it comes to something I am greatly passionate about it's always a massive positive when someone proves me wrong and I learn something that helps me to develop as a person, that's one of the greatest feelings to me, and I always thank them for taking the time to explain things to me.
The truth is, personally speaking I have extremely thick skin and can openly talk about pretty much anything. It doesn't actually bother as much if things are said in private between another person and myself. I can even handle them saying racist and bigoted things to an extent if I believe it's not malicious and believe they are mostly a good person although i'll still do my best to tell them how I feel and perhaps discuss the possibility of them developing their behaviour for the sake of others as well.
Whether YOU feel it, or experience or not is not the question here, the fact is OTHER PEOPLE feel horrible when certain things are said, people who have experienced extreme bullying, hatred, even attempts on theirs and their loved ones lives.
It's for the sake of those other people, and the integrity of this game I act this way on these forums, not for myself. I want to help protect people so they don't experience anxiety and depression, possible even leading to them feeling bad enough that they actually quit playing this game, which HAS actually happened before! I've lost a few good friends because of people like you and Kradie.
Do you think I care that people like you and Kradie call us sjw's or snowflakes lol? I've been through so much sh*t in my life both mentally and physically and came out a survivor extremely confident in myself. Do not mistake the fact that I care about other people for weakness, nobody in this life achieves everything alone, everyone needs help some way or another.
Some people simply do not have the courage to stand up for themselves, some people will avoid confrontation at all costs, even if it degrades the quality of their own life. I do not go around other social media platforms arguing with people and going out my way to say similar things. I am discussing it here because WA is a huge part of my life, these forums are a pretty big part of that, then people like you and Kradie keep bringing it up, and it's hardly as if I am the only person on your opposing side.
People have been complaining about racism and sexism all over the world longer than we've been alive, this is just further proof of your ignorance. There are lots of video games as old as Worms Armageddon that are just as popular, and actually a surprising number which are very popular, look at Age of Empires, Half-Life, Mech Warrior, the communities for those old games absolutely dwarf this community, those guys have appeared on things like GDQ, ESL, eSports among many other things, and while yes, other communities have toxic people, those other communities actually deal with it!
So saying because this game is so old, again, is further proof of your ignorance and lack of education in the matter.
I do agree with you on the impatient people who are unwilling to explain game rules to noobs and just kick them, that happens a lot, that definitely does not help.
Again though you are just showing how absolutely ignorant you are by failing to acknowledge that conversations that hurt peoples feelings or make them feel uncomfortable would put them off playing this game, and this is an assumption here, you probably feel that way because those things don't bother you, so you cannot comprehend any empathy towards people who ARE affected by it, this is the same reason you don't believe privilege is a thing, again, further proving your ignorance.
You often complain people don't talk in this game anymore online, have you ever stopped to wonder if they simply don't want to talk to you because you are not the kind of person they want to talk to?
I want to ban any discussion of racism and anything extremely political on these forums, and even though I love swearing and hurling witty insults at people myself, i'd love to crack down on that here too, creating a more family friendly environment would not hurt us at all, we can act that way and swear and do whatever we want in private matches or Discord servers etc.
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Also, you think deaths are being UNDER-reported? lol... ok. Maybe where you live.
So you must feel that china’s COVID reporting numbers are accurate then?
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Also, you think deaths are being UNDER-reported? lol... ok. Maybe where you live.
So you must feel that china’s COVID reporting numbers are accurate then?
What I find more interesting is the fact that China managed to flatten their curve so early on in this Coronahoax. There's over 1 billion residents there, but here in Europe we're still dealing with this hoax nearly a year later. There can be so many sob stories for one to hear, but it won't defend the integrity of this coronahoax though.
Just imagine if I told you all about a pandemic, social distancing & lockdown over a year ago, no one would believe it, and dismiss it as conspiracy theory. Thing is, I'm already ahead, and there will be more extreme regulations and waves of this ChinaVirus. Already in Spain they will take notes of people who doesn't want to take the vaccines. Sounds totally reasonable eh? Not really...
But what if I told you something more extreme? What if in some future not so far now, people that refuses to take the vaccine, will eventually be labelled as dangerous hazard for the society, that they would eventually be marched to a containment camp? Sounds familiar mmm? Sounds totally reasonable for the indoctrinated and extremists out there anyway.
Imagine if I said any of this in China? I would be jailed or worse. Probably reasonable right? ???
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A 99.7 % survival rate is not a pandemic.
You are correct. Survival rate has nothing to do with the term pandemic. Covid-19 is still a pandemic, though.
I'm glad that covid isn't having as profound an effect in Norway, that does nuance your choice for not going for a vaccine somewhat. But then, you are okay with the restrictions that currently apply in highly populated area like Oslo:
The measures in place in Oslo are summarised below:
All indoor events are banned. The only indoor social activity allowed is gatherings in private homes, where there can be up to ten people, if infection control measures are complied with.
Weddings, confirmations and other family gatherings where there are more than ten people are not allowed.
All businesses where cultural and leisure activities take place closed, except libraries.
Cinemas, theatres, playgrounds, gyms, sports and swimming pools closed.
Grass roots sport (breddeidrett) and leisure activities for adults banned.
Bars banned from serving alcohol.
Restaurants can stay open but without serving alcohol.
Passengers and drivers in taxis must wear face masks.
Shops and malls must ensure the number of customers does not prevent two-metre social distancing being maintained.
‘Red' level at upper secondary schools and adult education, with reinforced infection control measures and smaller groups.
School grades 8-10 (ungdomsskole) also at the ‘red' level of restrictions used by health authorities for schools.
Face masks must be worn on public transport where it is not possible to maintain a social distance of 1 metre.
Not to mention the quarantine people need to be in for 10 days after entering Norway.
Restrictions like that obviously help combatting the spread of the virus. With a vaccine, taken by enough people, that type of restriction won't be necessary anymore.
To get back to the low mortality rate (which for covid is actually higher than what you're suggesting, even in Norway btw), it's a higher mortality rate than that for rubella, which we also vaccinate for. Main reason for that, is to prevent congenital defects if infections happen during pregnancy.
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Also, you think deaths are being UNDER-reported? lol... ok. Maybe where you live.
So you must feel that china’s COVID reporting numbers are accurate then?
What I find more interesting is the fact that China managed to flatten their curve so early on in this Coronahoax. There's over 1 billion residents there, but here in Europe we're still dealing with this hoax nearly a year later. There can be so many sob stories for one to hear, but it won't defend the integrity of this coronahoax though.
Just imagine if I told you all about a pandemic, social distancing & lockdown over a year ago, no one would believe it, and dismiss it as conspiracy theory. Thing is, I'm already ahead, and there will be more extreme regulations and waves of this ChinaVirus. Already in Spain they will take notes of people who doesn't want to take the vaccines. Sounds totally reasonable eh? Not really...
But what if I told you something more extreme? What if in some future not so far now, people that refuses to take the vaccine, will eventually be labelled as dangerous hazard for the society, that they would eventually be marched to a containment camp? Sounds familiar mmm? Sounds totally reasonable for the indoctrinated and extremists out there anyway.
Imagine if I said any of this in China? I would be jailed or worse. Probably reasonable right? ???
I was being facetious, Kradie. China has been famous for reporting false data on its citizens and their coronavirus reporting numbers make no sense.
But yes, they must finally be reporting correct numbers when it comes to coronavirus, right? ;D
Whatever fits your narrative, my friend!
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Also, you think deaths are being UNDER-reported? lol... ok. Maybe where you live.
So you must feel that china’s COVID reporting numbers are accurate then?
What I find more interesting is the fact that China managed to flatten their curve so early on in this Coronahoax. There's over 1 billion residents there, but here in Europe we're still dealing with this hoax nearly a year later. There can be so many sob stories for one to hear, but it won't defend the integrity of this coronahoax though.
Just imagine if I told you all about a pandemic, social distancing & lockdown over a year ago, no one would believe it, and dismiss it as conspiracy theory. Thing is, I'm already ahead, and there will be more extreme regulations and waves of this ChinaVirus. Already in Spain they will take notes of people who doesn't want to take the vaccines. Sounds totally reasonable eh? Not really...
But what if I told you something more extreme? What if in some future not so far now, people that refuses to take the vaccine, will eventually be labelled as dangerous hazard for the society, that they would eventually be marched to a containment camp? Sounds familiar mmm? Sounds totally reasonable for the indoctrinated and extremists out there anyway.
Imagine if I said any of this in China? I would be jailed or worse. Probably reasonable right? ???
I was being facetious, Kradie. China has been famous for reporting false data on its citizens and their coronavirus reporting numbers make no sense.
But yes, they must finally be reporting correct numbers when it comes to coronavirus, right? ;D
Whatever fits your narrative, my friend!
yo james,
congratulations on achieving the n°1 SJW on TUS
best regards,
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AHHH Kradie if could meet you, u`d take this vaccine or id change my name from nino to porra!!! huahauhua
And yeah i'd inject in the butt!! cos king!!
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I agree with Komodo. He isn't trying to discourage conversations because the viewpoint is different to his, what he is saying is that when there are political discussions, there are toxic characters that just insult each other when opinions disagree. Having a mature debate is totally different to people insulting each other because their viewpoints are not aligned. I agree with komodo that certain individuals cannot express themselves without having to resort to immature and offensive comments.
On topic:
Skunk - you said about the vaccine affecting your DNA? This isn't true and the vaccine works using RNA technology. It cannot change or alter your DNA.
There are loads of medicines that are all based around gene therapies and 'personalised' medicine to someone's genetic makeup, I'm not sure if the RNA technology is of a similar method but we are not altering the genetic makeup of those who take it.
Here are some published scientific papers on the safety and efficacy of the vaccine and RNA technology. I've not read any of them them, but I trust the drug development and scientific community responsible for them.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2027906
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32466-1/fulltext
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/27/covid-19-vaccines-where-are-the-data/
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03504-w
Some of these sources even say there are still unknowns about the vaccine, but this type of research will help people form their own opinions and beliefs.
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couple more resources on mRNA vaccines. One hasn't been approved until now, but one vaccines always has the be the first right?
This paper from nature is dated in 2018 and shows that these vaccine types bring greater efficiencies compared to traditional vaccine methods. Its a nice read considering it pre-dates covid-19. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
Then this EU resources on mRNA vaccines in response I guess to some of the fake news that worries people: https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety.html
I also notice that Kradie has not a single counter-argument to my post earlier in the month so assume he accepts that my arguments around governments' economic objectives are correct.
Darkone - did you become a practicing doctor? If so, really appreciate what you are doing and have several friends who are nurses on the front line of this pandemic. Things are getting pretty terrible here in the UK now because of a lack of lockdowns and being too laid back on restrictions, with the new variant we now have 50,000 cases per day and 500+ daily deaths. Hospitals are once again overwhelmed like the start of the pandemic.
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I also notice that Kradie has not a single counter-argument to my post earlier in the month so assume he accepts that my arguments around governments' economic objectives are correct.
It almost feels like a right of passage around here, to actually believe you can have a civilized debate and get a well educated, presented and researched response out of him, however only to eventually realize you completely wasted your time.
Seriously, since August 2020 alone, especially when the Discord politcal channel blew up, I saw that most people who engage with him saying some form of the exact same thing with different words:
"He won't provide a counter arguement?"
He never does, and most likely, never will, that's his thing, he is actually infamous for it around here.
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I have no counter arguments to provide only but my own opinions.
I accept that some people are educated in this topic, I accept that their proof are accurate with the monopoly-evidence provided by hired fact checkers by big-tech corporation. My findings & research within the big tech parameters will backfire at me. So I admit defeat in that regard. My sources are not acceptable by the narrative and thus is censored. All I have is my opinion and belief as my arguments and defense.
I don't think Chicken or anybody else wasted their time here in this thread though. It can be useful for other people to draw their own conclusion. If you feel otherwise, then there isn't much I think I can do about it.
But I will always engage in topics that are of interest to me, topics that troubles me, concerns me and for the wellbeing of all of humanity. I am worried, it feels like all of humanity are walking off a cliff blindfolded. I wish this pandemic never happened, it ruined so many lives. I hope 2021 will be a turning point, but my fears tells me otherwise.
Hope for a better world is all I have.
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Hope for a better world is all I have.
Jehovah's witness! :P
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I have no counter arguments to provide only but my own opinions.
I accept that some people are educated in this topic, I accept that their proof are accurate with the monopoly-evidence provided by hired fact checkers by big-tech corporation. My findings & research within the big tech parameters will backfire at me. So I admit defeat in that regard. My sources are not acceptable by the narrative and thus is censored. All I have is my opinion and belief as my arguments and defense.
I don't think Chicken or anybody else wasted their time here in this thread though. It can be useful for other people to draw their own conclusion. If you feel otherwise, then there isn't much I think I can do about it.
But I will always engage in topics that are of interest to me, topics that troubles me, concerns me and for the wellbeing of all of humanity. I am worried, it feels like all of humanity are walking off a cliff blindfolded. I wish this pandemic never happened, it ruined so many lives. I hope 2021 will be a turning point, but my fears tells me otherwise.
Hope for a better world is all I have.
I think the problem people have is not your assertions nor the conclusions you draw, it is that your present your ideas as fact and you cast everyone else as misguided sheep.
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I have no counter arguments to provide only but my own opinions.
I accept that some people are educated in this topic, I accept that their proof are accurate with the monopoly-evidence provided by hired fact checkers by big-tech corporation. My findings & research within the big tech parameters will backfire at me. So I admit defeat in that regard. My sources are not acceptable by the narrative and thus is censored. All I have is my opinion and belief as my arguments and defense.
I don't think Chicken or anybody else wasted their time here in this thread though. It can be useful for other people to draw their own conclusion. If you feel otherwise, then there isn't much I think I can do about it.
But I will always engage in topics that are of interest to me, topics that troubles me, concerns me and for the wellbeing of all of humanity. I am worried, it feels like all of humanity are walking off a cliff blindfolded. I wish this pandemic never happened, it ruined so many lives. I hope 2021 will be a turning point, but my fears tells me otherwise.
Hope for a better world is all I have.
I think the problem people have is not your assertions nor the conclusions you draw, it is that your present your ideas as fact and you cast everyone else as misguided sheep.
If that's how people see it, then I would like to try and correct it. I am very passionate & strong believer of my own belief. Maybe that is a reason why my ideas may sound like facts (opinions), because I interpret other people idea as facts (which you quoted me on). But again, I have problem presenting my opinions because of search result monopoly of a favorable narrative which I think people deem more desirable to hear than some other discredited scientist, reporter, & theorists. Hence the metaphor ''sheep'' comes into play, because I feel I am the voice of reason surrounded by loud noises. I can understand without a doubt that this make me come off as an Ignorant, but these are my opinions. I am happy to admit I was wrong if my opinion are to be wrong, and I do want to be wrong in this. I do also appreciate the faith you all have in the system, the solidarity, it is nice and touching. But it also worries me a bit. But don't get me wrong, I have not lost faith in the world, the governments, and so on. I just think there's a lot of corruption and self-interest at play.
Perhaps from your perspective you may think people like me are a danger for humankind. I can understand the reasoning from it. But it may sound hard to believe, I don't want mankind to suffer. We all have different ways to think and resolve things. Ultimately, we just have to believe we just want the best for one another despite our differences in whatever views you may have.
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You can downplay your past trespasses within this forum all you want but we know the truth, lol. I am not saying that you're hated or even wholly unlikable (you're actually okay when you're not being a twat); but rather, you are well-known for getting into retarded pissing contests with people and arguing the dumbest shit like you're training for the 'beat a dead horse' Olympic games. You'll also have to forgive me for assuming that you're full of shit regarding your claim about losing many in-game friends due to perceived toxicity from others. Maybe I am being too presumptuous here but we have easy mute functions built into the game, which leads me to believe that nobody would have to endure anything they don't WANT to endure. Am I wrong? Also, if someone reads something 'offensive' they don't have to internalize it or make it personal. I guess you could say that I have a lack of empathy in this regard but I fail to see how anyone could be so triggered by some silly shit they read in game chat. If they are that sensitive they should know that online gaming is full of this sort of behavior, and to avoid online gaming. The weak ones need to stay away rather than forcing censorship and prescribed speech upon everyone else.
I also never said that WA is unique in the regard that it is a long-running game. However, you being you decide to do more of that janky verbal aikido you're so fond of - elevating yourself while simultaneously looking down on someone else in one swift action. (Calling me ignorant, uneducated, etc.) I am well f@#!ing aware that other old game communities exist. WA isn't the only community I am a part of.
I called you a SJW because you're acting like a perfect example of a stereotypical SJW, and I find that sort of behavior obnoxious - even more obnoxious than someone being "toxic" because I know that *most* of the time the so-called toxic player is just saying things they don't really mean to elicit a reaction and wouldn't actually wish harm upon anyone IRL. Most toxic players are also not preaching all of the time. You clearly cannot see your own hypocrisy on this issue because you talk about how you can discuss anything and how you have thick skin, yet you also advocate for the elimination of sociopolitical talk on this forum. If your skin was really as thick as you think it is, you wouldn't care. You wouldn't be engaging in this. It's also in an off-topic subforum which you don't need to check, and if you do check it, you don't have to click on the topic that you think might trigger you, you don't have to read the responses in each thread, etc. Hell, you don't even HAVE TO visit this site to enjoy the game... and don't even try to make the argument that seeing threads like this could possibly put off potential players, because that's very f@#!ing unlikely and we all know it. We aren't going to see an explosion of activity any time soon, if ever.
I personally have no issue with the discussion of any and all topics here and I think that all opinions are equally welcome. If I see discussion or an opinion I don't like I'll either ignore it or explain why I think it sucks, but you won't see me calling for the removal or censorship of anything unless someone gets doxed, etc.
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I will reply to each point you've made one by one, and this is the last time I will address this because you are starting to go in circles.
You can downplay your past trespasses within this forum all you want but we know the truth, lol. I am not saying that you're hated or even wholly unlikable (you're actually okay when you're not being a twat); but rather, you are well-known for getting into retarded pissing contests with people and arguing the dumbest shit like you're training for the 'beat a dead horse' Olympic games.
Conversations that interest me, defending my personal beliefs, arguing to change and/or protect rules/schemes, organizing events and Leagues, trying to change another persons opinion about something, asking for the opinions of others, helping people and asking for help are mostly the types of things I do around here.
I am highly confident it is impossible to convince you my history of posting on this website has been useful.
You see, let's pretend you agree with all my opinions, share my beliefs, share the same perspectives in life and are generally a huge fan of everything i've ever done in my life, then that would simply mean an entirely different bunch of people would think i'm an idiot, i'm full of sh*t, I suck etc.
There is no getting around it, it doesn't matter who you are or what you do, you simply cannot please everyone.
I am proud of my contributions to this website, I believe i've made a mostly positive impact to this game, for sure i've had many thousands of hours of fun with other people, that's other people who have enjoyed my company and we've shared stories, traded blows in game, and had laughs.
So for you to say i'm downplaying anything, I shrug that off with ease lol.
You'll also have to forgive me for assuming that you're full of shit regarding your claim about losing many in-game friends due to perceived toxicity from others.
Maybe I am being too presumptuous here but we have easy mute functions built into the game, which leads me to believe that nobody would have to endure anything they don't WANT to endure. Am I wrong?
I guess you could say that I have a lack of empathy in this regard but I fail to see how anyone could be so triggered by some silly shit they read in game chat.
The person that sent me those screenshots I posted, they don't play anymore because of the toxicity in this community, they told me that directly.
I completely understand why you feel that way so it doesn't bother me.
It's a shame you have the mentality where rather feeling compassion and empathy for those who cannot handle toxic people, you actually appear like you feel it's their fault for being so triggered and not being able to tolerate it.
Good for you that you have impenetrable feeling in that regard, not all people are created equally, diversity of the human race is real and you cannot truly judge someone unless you've experienced every moment of their life absolutely. You cannot possibly imagine or even come close to understanding what it's like for someone who has been beat to near death just because they have coloured skin or are attracted to the same sex. To be bullied, singled out, manipulated, ignored, passed over for promotion because some people view those things as immoral, wrong, and in some cases, some people literally believe them to be demons in the eyes of god...
It is not just words to them, it's a constant reminder of how worthless they've been made to feel.
If they are that sensitive they should know that online gaming is full of this sort of behavior, and to avoid online gaming.
The weak ones need to stay away rather than forcing censorship and prescribed speech upon everyone else.
Should we round them all up and isolate them? Do you know what that mildly sounds like?
With that logic, should they just stay away from being alive too?
You are showing your true colours right now.
I also never said that WA is unique in the regard that it is a long-running game. However, you being you decide to do more of that janky verbal aikido you're so fond of - elevating yourself while simultaneously looking down on someone else in one swift action. (Calling me ignorant, uneducated, etc.) I am well f@#!ing aware that other old game communities exist. WA isn't the only community I am a part of.
You are kind of tripping over yourself here mentally speaking, I did not imply you said WA is unique in the regard that it is a long-running game, however you literally said:
The reason why activity is low is quite simple - it's nearly 2021 and this game came out in 1999.
All I did was point out that reason is illogical.
You only have yourself to blame for that one. :D
I called you a SJW because you're acting like a perfect example of a stereotypical SJW
For starters, I am defensive, not aggresive.
I do not go out of my way finding topics to push my personal beliefs on people, in fact other than a brief 1 month period on Sensei's Discord server and the odd post here, I rarely ever discuss this stuff in public.
When I do talk about this stuff, it's usually a reply to someone who I believe genuinely lacks compassion and empathy, and who is also being genuinely toxic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or sharing other bigoted views.
I know that *most* of the time the so-called toxic player is just saying things they don't really mean to elicit a reaction and wouldn't actually wish harm upon anyone IRL.
You know?
Do you run some sort of monitoring agency, which tracks down toxic people and interrogates them to find out if they really meant those things they said, or were just trying to elicit a reaction from someone.
Of course, i'm being silly, because you cannot possibly know that for sure, at best you are assuming, which I can only guess is because you are projecting your own perspective on them.
Also, and I cannot stress this enough:
THIS IS IN REAL LIFE!
Your actions online are still part of your existing life within this planet, within this universe, you are still interacting with other people, everything you do still has an impact on other people.
If your skin was really as thick as you think it is, you wouldn't care.
I will instantly put myself in harms way, mentally or physically, to protect my loved ones, and will always do what needs to be done.
I believe there are 2 absolute powers that exist, creation and destruction, to begin and to end, good and bad, positive and negative.
Creation is everything positive - Love, trust, happiness, laughter, passion etc.
Destruction is everything negative - Hate, fear, anger, despair, pain etc.
The people who make me feel good are worth feeling bad for.
I have thick skin, because I do care.
don't even try to make the argument that seeing threads like this could possibly put off potential players, because that's very f@#!ing unlikely and we all know it.
It's not the threads that are the problem, certain types of people are the problem, I am a bit surprised you have not realized that yet.
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Yeah, chicken, been working as one since late 2008, working in radiology since 2011.
My part of the country was relatively spared, but I got buddies who work in parts that were hit hard. It's strange to see people go 'oh, it's not so bad' when even for me, a significant part of the workday today was covid-19 related