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Title: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 24, 2016, 07:35 PM
This topic is not for create a stir or controversy, also is not to criticize anyone's lifestyle, is just to know if any wormer carries a vegetarian or vegan way of life.  :P
In my case I started being a vegetarian six years ago and then two years ago I made the decision to be vegan. and is one of the best decisions I ever made in my life.

Hope to catch some veggie wormers here and then make a veggie clan.  :D
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Mablak on April 24, 2016, 08:58 PM
Good for you; I'm vegetarian. It's getting easier to be one since there are increasingly more meat-free food options, e.g. veggie burgers now taste better. But we need some vegetarian/vegan fast food chains or something.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: theredi on April 24, 2016, 09:02 PM
what blood type u are?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 24, 2016, 09:12 PM
Good for you; I'm vegetarian. It's getting easier to be one since there are increasingly more meat-free food options, e.g. veggie burgers now taste better. But we need some vegetarian/vegan fast food chains or something.

Cool!

That is right, nowadays is easier to have available a lot of products. Nothing is better than fresh and homemade food but sometimes when you are not in home, you want to have more food choices.

what blood type u are?

I am A+.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 24, 2016, 09:59 PM
im veggie since 17 years.
wifes vegan.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 24, 2016, 10:12 PM
Vegetarian (eggs/dairy/fish OK, zero meat largely for moral reasons) since birth.

Best fast food veggie burger is from Harvey's.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
fish eaters are no veggies imo.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 24, 2016, 10:26 PM
I have been salade-eater for 15 months. Now I wish I could eat a vegetarian, especially fried vegans.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: theredi on April 24, 2016, 10:29 PM
i have 0 and i feel sick if i dont eat some meat, is there any 0 vegetarian?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 24, 2016, 10:58 PM
i have 0 and i feel sick if i dont eat some meat, is there any 0 vegetarian?
I'm 0 vegetarian, for ethical reasons, you should see how they treat cabbage and lettuce on these farms, it is cruel and despicable.  I feel sick unless I eat the soul of a tiny baby pig first thing in the morning in my bacon.

Fried vegan sounds good, maybe sauteed in bacon grease?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Husk on April 25, 2016, 12:38 AM
a family in africa could have eaten this topic
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 25, 2016, 01:43 AM
im veggie since 17 years.
wifes vegan.

Great Hurz!  :D

Vegetarian (eggs/dairy/fish OK, zero meat largely for moral reasons) since birth.

Best fast food veggie burger is from Harvey's.


I agree with Hurz.  :P
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Mablak on April 25, 2016, 03:08 AM
fish eaters are no veggies imo.

Yeah eating no meat except fish is pescetarian; I think there's compelling evidence that fish feel pain, so I disagree with that. The only exception to me is oysters, which lack brains, and therefore presumably lack consciousness; I've got no problem eating those for the same reasons I'm fine eating plants. Sometimes that's referred to as 'ostrovegan' or 'ostrovegetarian'. There are way too many names though.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 25, 2016, 03:22 AM
I don't have as big a problem with fish as I do for land animals because of the treatment they get. In general, fish have better lives before they're killed, compared to land animals, most of which are contained and engineered from cradle to grave for purposes of consumption and profit. Fish are also simpler, less relatable organisms (especially sardines, which make up the bulk of my intake, and are more nutritious/lower mercury as well).

The increase in fish farms/GM fish is starting to cause me problems, though...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Triad on April 25, 2016, 03:24 AM
Hey guys, wondering about something. Dunno if it's a stupid question.

Afaik vegetarians/vegans don't eat animal meat because seeing killing an animal for their flesh is wrong and they feel pain too etc.

My question is why a plant like that developed a defense mechanism like this:
(http://holdmybeaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/3QQ5UC4.gif)

Is it certain that plants etc don't feel pain or for other things which prevents you to consume meat?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Peja on April 25, 2016, 04:21 AM
vegatarians have 30 % less brainpower because without meat the oxygen is not enough. no fraud, its scientific proven by the studies of dr. Ba. Con.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: MonkeyIsland on April 25, 2016, 05:26 AM
Hey guys, wondering about something. Dunno if it's a stupid question.

Afaik vegetarians/vegans don't eat animal meat because seeing killing an animal for their flesh is wrong and they feel pain too etc.

My question is why a plant like that developed a defense mechanism like this:
(http://holdmybeaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/3QQ5UC4.gif)

Is it certain that plants etc don't feel pain or for other things which prevents you to consume meat?

Pain is a bad word to use here. Our commonly used word "pain" refers to nociceptive pain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociception).

Quote
Nociceptive pain is caused by damage to body tissue and usually described as a sharp, aching, or throbbing pain.

For it to work, an organism (like us) must have the pain nociceptors to alert the damaging tissue and to have some sort of brain ready to understand the pain message. Most mammals have the same concept that we do, so it's safe to say they feel pain a lot like us.

Most fish doesn't have nociceptors or even cerebral cortex. However you've moved it even lower to plants. To me it must be simply a survival reflex totally explainable from an evolutionary standpoint.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TOMT on April 25, 2016, 08:28 AM
Vegetarian 5 years, vegan 6 months! :)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: XanKriegor on April 25, 2016, 09:01 AM
What is the difference?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Chelsea on April 25, 2016, 06:19 PM
joke

Spoiler! View
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Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 25, 2016, 09:05 PM
not too bad joke :)
humans treat both, animals and other humans in a way they would deserve to get eaten alive, imho.


Afaik vegetarians/vegans don't eat animal meat because seeing killing an animal for their flesh is wrong and they feel pain too etc.

thats not a reason. animals kill animals to eat, thats nature/life.
mankind perverted it tho, destroying the planet and its ressources by wanting more and more for less and less, no matter what consequences.
+ torture.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 26, 2016, 12:35 AM
@TheExtremist

lol, it works the other way around.

Quote
“the amount of fish taken from the world’s oceans over the last 60 years has been underestimated by more than 50 percent.” The researchers also argue that 32 million tons of fish are unreported each year, which is equal to more than the “weight of the entire US population.”

if anything, we need more fish farms

I'm quite aware of the fish stock problem. However, if I may be politically incorrect for a moment, the overfishing problem is centered in Asian countries, of which I am not affiliated. Everybody knows this.

Fish farms are basically factory farms for fish, with all of the same pitfalls.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: KinslayeR on April 26, 2016, 12:02 PM
interesting how many vegetarians and vegans is right here  :-X  if u dont eat any meat + vegans dont eat meat eggs and milk, what the f@#! do you eat? ur own sheet maybe? ..

anyway it is still interesting coz when I played with many ppl from this topic, they sayd in chat that they are eating hamburgers and cola and chickens atm, and drinking milk and then they gonna make omlet, but just look what I found, they are vegetarians for life and even vegans from 6 months :D

anyway2, mae I somewhere saw ur picture, ur weight is minumum 100 kgs, so dont tell me u have it from salat ;)   I bet while u made that topic u just killed 2 chickens and grilled them, then u ordered pizza with double ham
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Peja on April 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
why is it some people in this forum still live in the 70s?

the regression is shocking

is it a nationality thing? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-feffer/polands-luckiest-generati_b_6961798.html)

who are you? somehow i like you? lets have a date?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 26, 2016, 02:39 PM
interesting how many vegetarians and vegans is right here  :-X  if u dont eat any meat + vegans dont eat meat eggs and milk, what the f@#! do you eat? ur own sheet maybe? ..

anyway it is still interesting coz when I played with many ppl from this topic, they sayd in chat that they are eating hamburgers and cola and chickens atm, and drinking milk and then they gonna make omlet, but just look what I found, they are vegetarians for life and even vegans from 6 months :D

anyway2, mae I somewhere saw ur picture, ur weight is minumum 100 kgs, so dont tell me u have it from salat ;)   I bet while u made that topic u just killed 2 chickens and grilled them, then u ordered pizza with double ham

Nah, there are many foods of non-animal origin which we can have and that nature provide us.
Obviously it depends on where you are. In my case, the country where I live, agriculture is one of the most developed economies. I know that in other countries the situation may be different and may not have much variety, and people can only feed with animal products. That is understandable.

Somehow we will affect our ecosystem. I am just trying to cause the least harm as possible while I am still alive.

And nope, haha my weight is not 100 kg. I do not think you have seen my picture so your source is not reliable.  :P
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 26, 2016, 05:30 PM
lesbo pussy vegans also in TUS...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 26, 2016, 05:40 PM
What is the difference?

Vegetarian is mostly to what a person eats while a vegan does not  have anything to do with animal products in their lives, e.g. food, clothing, cosmetics, products tested on animals , etc.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 26, 2016, 05:41 PM
What is the difference?

Vegetarian is mostly limited to what a person eats while a vegan does not  have anything to do with animal products in their lives, e.g. food, clothing, cosmetics, products tested on animals , etc.

yee, basically vegans are very spoiled and difficult to satisfy
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 26, 2016, 05:46 PM
I very hate definitions... eat less meat, eat responsibly, live your life responsibly, behave well, even when you buy a f@#!ing salad... many producers use fertilizers, pesticides which go to the land/water/fish/animals again... more than be cool a say "I am vergetarian, vegan or I am a VEGY" just eat responsibly, whatever you eat, even if you eat stocazzo. this is more important than everything, because if you don't wanna hurt animals but you eat any salad/vegy/fruits without considering their origins etc, you are anyways creating problems to the environment.   
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 26, 2016, 05:59 PM
... eat any salad/vegy/fruits without considering their origins etc, you are anyways creating problems to the environment.

I agree with that ANO.  That is why I buy organic products.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: mae on April 26, 2016, 06:08 PM

yee, basically vegans are very spoiled and difficult to satisfy

It depends on where you live and what you want to eat. Nowadays there are many vegan products over there.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Peja on April 26, 2016, 06:16 PM
is this the right place to advertise genetically modified food and nuclear energy? as long as people are still living in slums this should be our priority.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TOMT on April 27, 2016, 04:50 PM
I very hate definitions... eat less meat, eat responsibly, live your life responsibly, behave well, even when you buy a f@#!ing salad... many producers use fertilizers, pesticides which go to the land/water/fish/animals again... more than be cool a say "I am vergetarian, vegan or I am a VEGY" just eat responsibly, whatever you eat, even if you eat stocazzo. this is more important than everything, because if you don't wanna hurt animals but you eat any salad/vegy/fruits without considering their origins etc, you are anyways creating problems to the environment.

True, it is impossible to not affect the environment at all. But meat is a houndred times worse, for each pound of meat, theres enormous amounds of soy, etc. that was grown using pesticides. Also, "organic" meat uses so much land that it would be impossible to feed the world with it. If you care about the environment then factory farming is better. But watch any hidden camera video from factory farms. If you still want to eat those animals, go ahead, but stay away from me and my family please.  ;D
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Chelsea on April 27, 2016, 05:25 PM
i have 0 and i feel sick if i dont eat some meat, is there any 0 vegetarian?

I have same as you -> I also have 0 (0rh+) and I NEED to eat meat :-\ If in my meal there's no meat soI'm hungry after 1-2 hours :D

Redi, if you have some time, and wanna read something about our blood group so I can give you 2 links :)
1. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/zdrowie/medycyna-niekonwencjonalna/wplyw-grupy-krwi-na-zdrowie-i-potrzeby-organizmu_36824.html
2. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/diety/odchudzajace/dieta-zgodna-z-grupa-krwi-0-jakie-sa-zalecenia-dietetyczne-dla-osob-z-_41066.html

Our blood group just need meat :) + I regulary give my blood to help others :)

Spoiler! View
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12920340_929178213861939_1777460455580237682_n.jpg?oh=ae277c8e2282e7b6b47114b00fc52bec&oe=57A48B2F&__gda__=1472178475_bd353810d4c208cc71dea73beaa6bf5d)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Chelsea on April 27, 2016, 06:28 PM
I need Iron. :)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 27, 2016, 07:31 PM
i have 0 and i feel sick if i dont eat some meat, is there any 0 vegetarian?

I have same as you -> I also have 0 (0rh+) and I NEED to eat meat :-\ If in my meal there's no meat soI'm hungry after 1-2 hours :D

Redi, if you have some time, and wanna read something about our blood group so I can give you 2 links :)
1. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/zdrowie/medycyna-niekonwencjonalna/wplyw-grupy-krwi-na-zdrowie-i-potrzeby-organizmu_36824.html
2. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/diety/odchudzajace/dieta-zgodna-z-grupa-krwi-0-jakie-sa-zalecenia-dietetyczne-dla-osob-z-_41066.html

Our blood group just need meat :) + I regulary give my blood to help others :)

Spoiler! View
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12920340_929178213861939_1777460455580237682_n.jpg?oh=ae277c8e2282e7b6b47114b00fc52bec&oe=57A48B2F&__gda__=1472178475_bd353810d4c208cc71dea73beaa6bf5d)


you guys need brains way more than meat :)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 27, 2016, 08:07 PM
indeed we are too many humans in this world, we should start eating vegans, hopefully they taste of f@#!ing something.

A camera in a farm auhauhauhauah I don't really need to watch any damn camera from a farm, I come from the country side, I have grown up in the middle of a forest with animals and mushrooms...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 27, 2016, 08:51 PM
indeed, he was talking bout "factory farms" not bout countryside farms. its not the killing itsself, its the torturing/circumstances.


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thats what you eat/support

(http://www.martinballuch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSC4216klein.jpg)

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-01-18-img_7525gladau2011.jpg)

(http://www.neuepresse.de/var/storage/images/np/nachrichten/magazin/uebersicht/uelzen-40.000-huehner-qualvoll-verendet/7505922-1-ger-DE/Uelzen-40.000-Huehner-qualvoll-verendet_ArtikelQuer.jpg)

(https://ichbinmeinebeute.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/2012-09-biohuehnerfarm-edeka-twistringen-917-c-peta-d.jpg)

Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Modern technology has eliminated the need to consume meat. Plain meat isn't even desirable. Pretty much nobody eats it without globbing on batter, sauces, spices, marinades, etc.

I can eat a plate of plain rice, beans. and corn, and be fully satisfied. The Japanese survived for centuries on rice, vegetables, and fish. Anything that I'm missing in my diet can be replaced by supplements.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 08:07 AM
No. Not yet.

Do you know of any vegan elite sportsman?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/26/13-vegan-athletes-smashing-it-on-a-meat-free-diet-5349835/

There are all kinds of non animal-based protein supplements available, BTW.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 28, 2016, 08:29 AM
No. Not yet.

Do you know of any vegan elite sportsman?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/26/13-vegan-athletes-smashing-it-on-a-meat-free-diet-5349835/

There are all kinds of non animal-based protein supplements available, BTW.

buahuaauhuah
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: theredi on April 28, 2016, 09:13 AM
i have 0 and i feel sick if i dont eat some meat, is there any 0 vegetarian?

I have same as you -> I also have 0 (0rh+) and I NEED to eat meat :-\ If in my meal there's no meat soI'm hungry after 1-2 hours :D

Redi, if you have some time, and wanna read something about our blood group so I can give you 2 links :)
1. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/zdrowie/medycyna-niekonwencjonalna/wplyw-grupy-krwi-na-zdrowie-i-potrzeby-organizmu_36824.html
2. http://www.poradnikzdrowie.pl/diety/odchudzajace/dieta-zgodna-z-grupa-krwi-0-jakie-sa-zalecenia-dietetyczne-dla-osob-z-_41066.html

Our blood group just need meat :) + I regulary give my blood to help others :)

Spoiler! View
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12920340_929178213861939_1777460455580237682_n.jpg?oh=ae277c8e2282e7b6b47114b00fc52bec&oe=57A48B2F&__gda__=1472178475_bd353810d4c208cc71dea73beaa6bf5d)


you guys need brains way more than meat :)

or u are the one that need brain coz it stopped working properly without meat  >:(
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 09:33 AM
most of the athletes on that list arent elite sportsmen

...

the day someone wins an olympic medal in an athletic or aerobic sport being vegan...

IMO, ultramarathoners are like ultra-Olympic athletes.

http://www.gq.com/story/the-real-life-diet-of-the-ultramarathoner-who-gave-up-meat-and-became-vegan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jurek

"In 2010, at the 24-Hour World Championships in Brive-la-Gaillarde, France, Jurek won a silver medal behind Shingo Inoue and set a new US record for distance run in 24 hours with 165.7 miles (an average pace of 8 minutes and 42 seconds per mile). Jurek has eaten a meat-free diet since 1997, and a totally plant-based diet since 1999."

I doubt him eating meat at one point in his life fueled him for all the running to come...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
I find endurance sports like triathlon and ultramarathon to be much more impressive than burst sports like American football and sprinting. Being able to go long distances has more practical use as well.

In any case, genetics beats diet every time.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 28, 2016, 10:57 AM
most of the athletes on that list arent elite sportsmen

...

the day someone wins an olympic medal in an athletic or aerobic sport being vegan...

IMO, ultramarathoners are like ultra-Olympic athletes.

http://www.gq.com/story/the-real-life-diet-of-the-ultramarathoner-who-gave-up-meat-and-became-vegan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jurek

"In 2010, at the 24-Hour World Championships in Brive-la-Gaillarde, France, Jurek won a silver medal behind Shingo Inoue and set a new US record for distance run in 24 hours with 165.7 miles (an average pace of 8 minutes and 42 seconds per mile). Jurek has eaten a meat-free diet since 1997, and a totally plant-based diet since 1999."

I doubt him eating meat at one point in his life fueled him for all the running to come...
You are grasping at straws, ultramarathoners are geared to do one thing and one thing only, cardiovascular fitness.    I would wager that many of them couldn't even do a set of pullups.  It so happens cardiovascular fitness has little to do with the muscle building properties of protein, which happens to be Caye's main argument.  So you've picked out one man from literally an entire pool or traditional diet athletes.  I submit that you have found the exception, rather than the rule.

I firmly believe for the most well rounded athlete possible, meat consumption is a must.  Muscle building is reliant on this, for a vegan or a vegetarian to build muscle like a meat consumer, they must consume tons of supplements of amino acids and proteins that naturally occur in, yeah, thats right, you guessed it - meat.  Last I checked, you couldn't get creatine from eating broccoli.  I couldn't even imagine trying to naturally consume enough protein with a vegan diet to build muscle - you would have to eat bales and bales of quinoa or some other protein rich item.

Then again, you can't reconcile your vegetarianism with consuming fish, so I don't expect you to agree. 
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 11:04 AM
Then again, you can't reconcile your vegetarianism with consuming fish, so I don't expect you to agree.

No need to get snotty. I don't feel I need fish in my diet, I just find it tasty and don't mind eating it for all the reasons I've mentioned. If I wasn't eating a sardine sandwich every other day, I'd just eat more veggie burgers. If I couldn't have deep-fried cod once in a while, I'd treat myself to more pan-fried potato pancakes.

BTW, I have lots of energy and am relatively strong for my size. But I chalk this up to breastfeeding and genetics.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 11:09 AM
being a vegan or vegetarian based on principles and eating fish is silly, you can't argument it.

Yet I did. It was your choice to ignore my points.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
I am vegan at 75% btw. Some years ago I was 100%.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 28, 2016, 11:36 AM
we are killing all fish without a plan. Extinction is worse cruelty than bad living conditions and torture

Not my fault:

http://i.imgur.com/i2ufapF.png

Of the 21 countries who caught more than 1,000,000 tons of fish in 2005 (yes, I know the actual amounts are more, but my argument is about the countries in relation to each other), 12 were Asian and only 3 were European, with China leading and Canada 20th.

Japanese fish market (the biggest in the world):

http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4d39ace4991e4/images/Places2_9-1.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukiji_fish_market

The whole place gets filled with a fresh catch each morning. They'll pay upwards of a million dollars for the best fish.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: skunk3 on April 28, 2016, 05:17 PM
The people saying that one needs to eat meat to be an elite athlete are simply wrong. As someone has already pointed out, there are so many supplements these days that give you everything that meat would deliver, minus the moral quandary. Between a sensible plant-based diet and supplements, you're literally not missing out on anything aside from the deliciousness of meat.

I personally eat whatever. I try to keep it mostly healthy though. (If only they could make a 0 calorie beer... or maybe I should just start dosing myself with GHB? lol) I've had many vegetarian / vegan friends and when it comes to sustenance, I really like convenience. Being a vegan is a huge pain in the ass.

I personally find factory farms disgusting and morally wrong, and I can't even bear to watch a video of what goes on in there, but realistically speaking, it's difficult and expensive to find ethically grown and slaughtered meat products in many areas. (Some would argue that there's no such thing as ethical meat products...) I could easily be a vegetarian or a vegan if someone prepared all of my meals for me and did my shopping, but when I'm driving around stoned, I'm not thinking of ethics when I pull into a Taco Bell and order a burrito.

I see nothing morally wrong with eating fish / seafood... plus, fish is one of my favorite foods and I couldn't see myself not eating 'em. Here in Missouri a lot of people have man-made ponds on their property that they stock with fish, which I think is a great idea. We need more private stocks and fish farms in general. People should really lay off the beef because of the environmental factors involved. Beef production is hell on the environment. Look at what is happening to the rainforests in South America... if we lose those rainforests, the whole planet is f@#!ed. Pork production is pretty bad (and disgusting) but the environmental impact is nowhere close to that of beef production.

Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 29, 2016, 12:46 AM
"not my fault"

how old are you?

I ask because surely you understand how stupid it is to use such reasoning in this particular thread? after saying you're vegetarian?

Any chance you can argue with facts instead of insults?

Fishing was sustainable until the west lent its technology to countries that didn't know how to control themselves.

And back to athletes for a moment. Not only do I find endurance sports more impressive that burst sports, but they're healthier to perform as well. High-paid professional athletes have relatively short careers, often plagued with injuries. They try to get around this with steroids and painkillers, but their quality of life in retirement ends up plunging as a result.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 29, 2016, 02:30 AM
"not my fault"

how old are you?

I ask because surely you understand how stupid it is to use such reasoning in this particular thread? after saying you're vegetarian?

Any chance you can argue with facts instead of insults?

Fishing was sustainable until the west lent its technology to countries that didn't know how to control themselves.

And back to athletes for a moment. Not only do I find endurance sports more impressive that burst sports, but they're healthier to perform as well. High-paid professional athletes have relatively short careers, often plagued with injuries. They try to get around this with steroids and painkillers, but their quality of life in retirement ends up plunging as a result.
So you have refuted none of Caye's original argument?  Excellent.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 29, 2016, 03:40 AM
So you have refuted none of Caye's original argument?  Excellent.

What was his original argument? I have a hard time finding it amongst the personal jabs...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Kangaroo on April 29, 2016, 07:18 AM
Im a breathairian... i dont eat meat or vegetables.. i dont even eat anything at all or even drink, i just breathe

You all should stop eating all together you are hurting the planet.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: WTF-8 on April 29, 2016, 07:58 AM
don't waste oxygen, do photosynthesis
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 29, 2016, 08:16 AM
your argument for being a pseudovegan is "not my fault"

I said that's stupid, it's not an insult, it's a fact.

The fact that marathon runners are more "impressive" to you means nothing.

tell me the truth, you're 13yo or something right?

My argument for being "pseudovegetarian" is that fish are a simpler form of life than land animals and enjoy a better life compared to them. What's "not my fault" (and which I provided statistics for) is overfishing, which is your major argument against eating fish.

Endurance athletes are more impressive to me than "burst" or "standard" athletes because their skills are more practical (emergency/rescue/survival situations) than, say, being able to run really fast for 10 seconds or kick/hit/throw a ball over a line, and the peak of their fitness is spread over a longer period. If you prefer muscle men who burn out quicker, that's fine. I'm merely trying to prove that both types are "elite" in different ways.

I'm 27. I've been posting on forums since I was 14. I've been using computers since I was 6. Use that information however you may please.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Devilage on April 29, 2016, 09:29 AM
a family in africa could have eaten this topic

You make day huzk, you rly do
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 29, 2016, 11:04 AM
Can you elaborate on this?

Fish are farther down the evolutionary chain. I see them more as complex plants than I do simpler humans. Land animals are far more relatable. Modern humans grew up alongside them. They live on the same ground, eat basically the same food, reproduce the same way.

The bulls used in bull fighting in Southamerica and Spain live amazing lifes up to the day they're tortured and killed.

Entertainment vs. food. Torturing for fun is far worse than any factory farm.

OT: marathon runners are not built for survival or rescue you're completely out of your depth it appears.

Can you make a single post without a personal attack?

Endurance athletes are built for endurance. They can last longer performing difficult tasks. Other athletes train for a specific moment, to peak for a few seconds at a time. If a natural disaster is occuring, and you need to work through the night digging ditches, hauling sandbags, climbing to isolated areas, traversing long distances to find food and water, it seems to me a marathon runner would do better than a football player or sprinter.

This is starting to get into minutia...the point I'm trying to make is that everybody has their own strengths in different areas. You seemed to be making the point that because endurance athletes train a different part of their body (heart over muscle) than short-burst athletes, that makes them inferior.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: philie on April 29, 2016, 11:33 AM
What's "not my fault" (and which I provided statistics for) is overfishing, which is your major argument against eating fish.

then factory farming is also "not our fault".

i've been vegetarian myself for 8 years and i can't take anyone serious who's acting all veggy and eating fish. ridiculous.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 29, 2016, 11:47 AM
Caye and The Extremist, do you buy food and cook by yourself?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on April 29, 2016, 11:43 PM
My only point was the one I made:

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OT: marathon runners are not built for survival or rescue you're completely out of your depth it appears.

Go back a bit. You said:

most of the athletes on that list arent elite sportsmen, others simply like vegan food but arent fully vegan. The Williams started being vegan after a whole life of being healthy and exercising, its never going to affect then

the day someone wins an olympic medal in an athletic or aerobic sport being vegan...

Sounds like a claim of inferiority to me...

You're the one dragging this to great lengths trying to save face by dribbling semantics.

There you go again. If you make one more reply containing an insult, I'm ignoring you. That isn't being a sore loser or crybaby, that's a legitimate reaction to someone who can't have a debate without getting personal.

then factory farming is also "not our fault".

Factory farming is the global standard. Nobody is excused from it. In any case, I've already explained that modern chemistry has eliminated the need of meat in our diets. Fish too for that matter. As I've already said, I still allow myself fish because they are farther removed from humans than land animals, and, if wild caught, live better lives than land animals (factory farming is the worst, but I find the whole idea of raising any kind of creatures for the sole purpose of eventual slaughter contemptible).

Most of my meals are cooked at home, for purposes of health, cost, and a superficial sense of self-reliance.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on April 29, 2016, 11:53 PM
where did these two random guys come out?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Husk on April 30, 2016, 12:31 AM
from some factory farm that produce random noobs xD
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on April 30, 2016, 12:37 AM
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Welcome!

The Ultimate Site aka TUS is a website dedicated to the game Worms:Armageddon created by Team17. It contains almost anything related to W:A from leagues and competitive games to maps and other goodies to download. Most of these parts on TUS are linked together and have a relationship with each other.

TUS has grown with ideas suggested by its members. This is kinda our routine to increase the quality of this website by implementing ideas. We welcome newbies as much as oldschoolers. If you are new to this website, don't hesitate to introduce yourself. Checkout our forums!

dont elitethink cuz post a lot.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 30, 2016, 07:09 AM
On 2nd thought you guys are passionate about this stuff.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Peja on April 30, 2016, 08:00 AM
someone being passionate about playing darts in a worms  video game setup is impressed by someone being passionate about fish factory farms? somehow this makes sense.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Kangaroo on April 30, 2016, 09:37 PM
from some factory farm that produce random noobs xD

I like my noobs organic
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Husk on May 01, 2016, 07:45 PM
did u know they beat noobs in head with a crowbar so they make more milk?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Sensei on May 02, 2016, 08:55 AM
(http://failbluedot.com/images/theyll-tell-you.jpg)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on May 02, 2016, 05:38 PM
Thats quite correct, usually. I may be wrong but it seems to me this time the question came first...
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Husk on May 03, 2016, 12:28 AM
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on May 03, 2016, 09:21 AM
https://www.facebook.com/infinitytv.it/videos/2015546372004086/
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: TOMT on May 03, 2016, 01:00 PM
I am in great shape, and I eat tofu burgers, tempeh, salads, beans, pasta, rice, the list is infinite, and I thrive.

This video is portraying meat as cool and tough. Meat may have nutrition, and it's probably not as unhealthy as the hardcore vegans claim.
But meat is not tough or "manly" in any way. A real man is compassionate, and do not want to cause harm and suffering to anyone.

Traditionally us humans have killed, enslaved and raped each other and animals for thousands of years, maybe it was needed for us to survive, I don't know,
but things have changed, we have absolutely NO need for slaves anymore, NO need for factory farms or meat, no need to rape, etc, etc.

What's the difference between a dog and a pig? The only difference I know is that pigs has a higher IQ. Why love one and breed/enslave/kill/eat the other?
Animals are sentient and have personalities like us, we must treat them with as much respect as we possibly can.

How is this not obvious?

Is this food?

(http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/Picture2-300x212.jpg)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on May 03, 2016, 03:53 PM
ofc not. this is food:

(https://realfood.tesco.com/media/images/CarawayPorkChops_HERO-2869ca06-4791-4373-97d4-da2d49d46981-0-472x310-8d45aafe-1301-4faf-83f3-773259204065-0-472x310.jpg)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Alien on May 03, 2016, 05:27 PM
wtf stupid humans



i really love to eat meat like.. let's say 4 times a week maximum. it just tastes delicious, even animals eating meat.
But i hate mass consuming and specially animal abusing, that's the worst f@#! shit. this is the true reality we live in.
i hate fat people who are consuming meat every f@#!ing day! 365 days/year 0,5kg - 1kg meat every day, even more.
damn they even don't enjoy it anymore, it's just not right. there are no limits for us humans and that is a huge problem.
there are so many (videos on youtube) good reasons against all this, but it just looks like the majority just want to exploit this world.
..or let's say, evil humans, the capitalism and industries allowing it to us, because they just want more and more money.
everyone knows about it, but no one really cares about it.
that's why i really have very much respect to all vegetarians and vegans, because they want to change something in this world in a positive way.
and of course to all other organizations, who are fighting for good things.
i really wish the human race would have never been born, seriously.
the humans are the worst parasites in this world and sooner or later we will completely destroy our home.
that's why we are searching for other planets in space, to destroy more and more. uahauhau
there were no problems in this world, without us!
no, i am not a greenpeace member. that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Hurz on May 03, 2016, 09:09 PM

the humans are the worst parasites in this world and sooner or later we will completely destroy our home.


(https://www.tus-wa.com/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Sensei on May 03, 2016, 09:18 PM
the humans are the worst parasites in this world and sooner or later we will completely destroy our home.



This is amazing video on that subject.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on May 03, 2016, 10:10 PM
Some humans are more destructive than others.

See which countries have the strongest environmental legislation and which are free polluters. Then see which countries are scolded and pressured the most about their pollution...

Oh, but it's ok to have our priorities completely ass-backwards because those free polluting countries are "developing nations" and can do as they please until they catch up.

The thing is, do you see any evidence that these nations are going to catch up any time soon? Aside from a sea of factories using western-designed machinery to make western-designed goods for largely western customers, the south and east of Asia (minus Japan and Korea) is in the same moral state that it was pre-Industrial Revolution - low standards, no ambition, living in the moment.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on May 04, 2016, 10:44 AM
I completely agree about the state of food/agricultural laws. Europe's are FAR stronger than North America's, and as usual, the globalist chemical/junk food behemoths are colluding with the government to have things turn in their direction.

The west pollutes in a different way than the east. It's a gradual, less visible form. We don't care as much as we could, but we do care.

But the east pollutes without abandon. Large-scale, industrial, megaproject style. No limits to anything. The only reason that the per capita numbers aren't higher is because the western standard of living, with electricity, appliances, large cars, high income/high consumption, etc. has not yet reached large swaths of those countries. If all of the peasants in China, India, etc. had all of our luxuries, their pollution ratio would crush ours.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Anubis on May 04, 2016, 12:43 PM
The earth is actually getting greener, if we assume "global warming" is the cause of humans we are making more space for animals and plants. If the planet gets warmer, and we have more o2 in the athmosphere... inb4 7 foot humans as the norm.

On topic: I eat meat every day, I enjoy fish as much.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Sensei on May 04, 2016, 02:32 PM
The earth is actually getting greener

 :-X

:-X based on what?
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: huskov on May 04, 2016, 02:49 PM
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/despite-decades-deforestation-earth-getting-greener
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: ANO on May 04, 2016, 04:09 PM
we are too many people in this world, we should start eating each other, that s why I eat vegans, even though they tastse like cow shit
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: nino on May 04, 2016, 04:17 PM
The things are simples, if u think it is ok to eat only vegetables, sure go on, if you sit on chair and screams to ur slave " porra bring me the bull to the table" it is ok too.

PORRAAAAAAAAA BULLS FTW HUAHUAHAUHAU
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on May 05, 2016, 07:02 AM
"I'm allowed to eat fish because I'm Canadian. Chinese are the ones that fish most! Also, I'm allowed to pollute much more than your average Chinese because I'm Canadian, I make actual dollars and they're just peasants"

I expected you to misinterpret what I said.

The east's INDUSTRIES pollute more than the west. If the standard of living (household income) was the same globally, their per capita pollution would exceed ours because they choose to be unregulated.

And I don't see why I have to make my point about fishing again, but:

http://www.fao.org/docrep/016/i2727e/i2727e01.pdf

South and east Asia as well as South America are over-represented in that document. If we were at fault, the environmental lobby would be jumping all over us like they do for every tiny mistake we make. But the blame is so obvious in this case, that they stick to howling about SUVs and manicured lawns.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: The Extremist on May 05, 2016, 07:51 AM
Just a troll, nothing to see...                                     

Aaaaand that's a wrap, folks!

Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: skunk3 on May 05, 2016, 06:09 PM
I am kinda surprised that nobody has directly brought up insects as food yet.
Title: Re: Hola. Any vegetarian / vegan wormer here?
Post by: Triad on May 21, 2016, 12:13 PM
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