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skunk3:

--- Quote from: Anubis on March 20, 2019, 08:22 PM ---We are closing in on a transitional era for humanity, that means practical skills like cooking, house making etc. all become mundane and unimportant because we will have technology slowly, bit by bit replace all day to day chores. We also work towards a society where we have more people than jobs, that means more people will have no actual job that benefits the civilization and need to be occupied elsewhere. It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be, yes, we are losing our "traditional" life where everything is clearly separated with family and job and technology. It all melts itself into everything we use and care about. At one point resources and energy will become a lot less valuable to us and we will freely distribute the wealth more equally once the majority of goods are produced by machines that are fueled by free energy. I think everything we currently develop is still more positive than negative once it's done. The main issue is that money and as a result of this driving factor, corruption and lobby work has too much say in our world.

A lot of skunks complaints are very subjective, which makes sense since he speaks his mind, but when judging if the world is getting worse you have to be as objectively as possible. Things like buying a music record online or in a store with a physical copy are completely irrelevant and don't determine if the world is getting worse. If that was the case you could make a case that since the start of humanity the world has gotten worse because instead of using cattle plough we are now using tractors that let us cultivate more efficiently. Efficiency does not undermine respect for the art. It's all more accessible and because of that, a faster world. Is a faster world inherently bad? No, it just works faster and has no impact on you individually unless you let it be. A human does not work faster than 100 years ago, our muscles and brain power is the same as before. We just utilize the brain and muscle power in a more efficient way through the use of technology which then seems like we live faster. The farmer from 100 years ago was just as exhausted after work as any of us that work a physical demanding job, probably even more since less protection for his well-being was in place.

Most of us are in the mid 30s, and I remember it crystal clear when I was young and the "old generation" of 30+ complain about the new stuff, I always said I will be open to change, I accept the world is ever-changing and since profit/capitalism hasn't changed, anything that currently changes is the same that would happen 30 years ago, just that technology wasn't as developed to do it. If 30 years ago smart phones were a possibility, they would have existed. So they are not bad or worse, they just weren't feasible to realize, and as long as money is the driving factor we will continue to see faster aka. more efficient use of our time. In the end most consumer technology is to save time, being able to play games on your phones saves time to do other things when you come home from work. I see this as a positive not a negative. We end up with more time when everything works faster. The problem is, that most individuals feel "forced" to do everything. You can still enjoy a full evening of reading and turn off your connection to the "cyber world". People just don't have the will power and you are 100% to blame if you find yourself in such a situation. You are still in control of your life, don't watch stupid mainstream news, or tv shows. There is so much available to you, you just have to pick and choose. Or choose to close the channels and press "x" and do something offline. ;D

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The reason why I say that getting music online vs. going to a physical store and buying physical media is 'worse' is a combination of a few things:

1. Hardly anyone actually PAYS for music anymore, so it's taken for granted. There are a lot of people who pay for services like Spotify and others, but that's a relatively paltry amount of money compared to actually buying albums. CDs were roughly $15 each when they were popular... a single Spotify account is what, $5? There's also a lot of people who pay for digital files but let's be real... most people just download mp3/flac files or if they are super lazy they will just listen to something via YouTube.

2. People are potentially more exposed to music than ever before, which means that not only is it taken for granted (oversaturation) but they also get turned off, even subconsciously, because they have to sift through so much garbage to find good stuff that resonates with them. This results in an overall drop in interest. This is especially true on Soundcloud, etc.

3. Most people these days aren't audiophiles and listen to their music with shitty ear buds or Bluetooth speakers that sound like garbage, so they aren't getting the full experience of music. I also feel like car audio enthusiasts are a bit more rare than they used to be but that's just speculation. In my experience it seems that most people are very casual music listeners these days. I remember in the 80's and the 90's virtually everyone had a decent hi-fi system in their house and/or a home theater system with a good amp and speakers. I don't know ANYONE these days with a home theater sound system. AT BEST they have a soundbar under their TV, which of course sounds like crap in comparison.

4. Not having to go to a physical store = not having to put in actual real life effort = people take it for granted and it loses some of its value/appeal.

5. Songwriting in general has just gotten so boring and lazy in comparison to decades up to the 90's, and younger people don't know any better unless they dig.


I DO think that things being faster and more efficient kind of is a bad thing in certain ways. It places higher expectations on people, which is more stressful. The internet is creating whole classes of people who refuse to engage in real life because they can virtually interact with people via the internet. It's really sad. People can get away with being complete shut-ins these days because the internet allows them to. They can work from home, order food online, order groceries, order basically everything they need to survive. Heck, they can even get a prostitute lol.

skunk3:
It's truly sad how annoying women have become. I live in a very liberal city and if you want a shot with women here you basically have to act like a beta cuck f@#!boy, unless you are black, in which case you can treat women like dog shit and they will never leave you. If you support Trump even in the slightest people think you are a piece of shit. If you have anything bad to say about Obama, Clinton, Sanders, etc... you're also a piece of shit. If you think progressive values suck, you're either ignorant or a piece of shit. Or both. If don't support every new social justice warrior hot topic you're a bigoted hater. If you don't praise feminism and kiss ass by saying things like "women can do anything men can do, but not vice-versa" then good luck. On top of all of those nauseating personality traits, tons of women these days are covered in tattoos and piercings, which I think looks like absolute shit.

Anubis:

--- Quote from: skunk3 on March 23, 2019, 03:24 AM ---It's truly sad how annoying women have become. I live in a very liberal city and if you want a shot with women here you basically have to act like a beta cuck f@#!boy, unless you are black, in which case you can treat women like dog shit and they will never leave you. If you support Trump even in the slightest people think you are a piece of shit. If you have anything bad to say about Obama, Clinton, Sanders, etc... you're also a piece of shit. If you think progressive values suck, you're either ignorant or a piece of shit. Or both. If don't support every new social justice warrior hot topic you're a bigoted hater. If you don't praise feminism and kiss ass by saying things like "women can do anything men can do, but not vice-versa" then good luck. On top of all of those nauseating personality traits, tons of women these days are covered in tattoos and piercings, which I think looks like absolute shit.

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Well then do it? If you wanna get laid then just act the way the women want you to act and avoid the women that are not your taste and look. I have no problem acting out of person to get what I want if I truly desire it, especially with strangers that I will not include in my life after I got what I want.

If you want a true relationship then what's the matter? Of course many women you encounter won't fit you, that's why there are millions of divorces and lonewolfs that stay single for years. If you are not adapting then less and less women will find you attractive/interesting because they expect their men to act a certain way. Basically, if you are not mainstream, then it will take a significant longer time to find people you enjoy spending time with. 

Now about the music:

1: Giving that there is MORE music than ever before I don't see the issue, I can't even keep up with new releases in my single favorite genre (melodic death metal), sure it is pretty niche so probably 50% of the releases I listen to are hobby musicians that just enjoy publishing their music but it can't be that bad if we have so much music everywhere. The high profile musicians (the very successful ones) make a good amount of money since they also perform live and sell merchandise. Which bands / artists are you actually worried about that don't get enough money? Because imo, the ones that are semi professional and just do it after their real life job are doing it for the joy. And the professionals that go touring etc. are pretty good off. (This is all based on Metal, no clue about other genre).

2. I think that is a 1st world problem and no real issue, it is true that there are lots of garbage releases, but that's simply because there are more opportunities to release music for free, like youtube. The world ironically slowed down in that regard because MORE people have time to commit to creativity and make their own music. Yes, that means also more garbage is released but it also means more people are free and can pursue dreams.

3. I guess it's their choice so... if they enjoy it? I mean if you go to a concert (in metal), the music quality is usually crappy simply because it's about being as loud as possible so everyone can hear the music. I don't listen to music with headphones or earbuds at home, but on the go you can't carry a speaker system around with you so you are kinda forced to listen to it that way because it doesn't work otherwise. :D

4. Can't relate, walking down a street or driving a car to a store is hardly physical effort. If anything it's a social effort since you will meet people and interact.

5. Can't complain, I still find excellent metal bands and enjoy the newer works. Maybe you suffer from this as well, for me it's kinda true, I do see myself listen to older music more often. https://www.businessinsider.de/why-we-stop-discovering-new-music-around-age-30-2018-6?r=US&IR=T

Sensei:
Hah

Bloopy:
Heh @ me being the first to vote for slightly. The environment gets gradually worse on average, while the average person/family finds it harder just to live (larger percent of income spent on rent). The vastness and speed of the internet and many other things make the world better for me personally, but sure, a lot of people immerse themselves in some really dumb shit.


--- Quote from: Anubis on March 23, 2019, 10:50 AM ---If you are not adapting then less and less women will find you attractive/interesting because they expect their men to act a certain way. Basically, if you are not mainstream, then it will take a significant longer time to find people you enjoy spending time with.

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Sounds like me. I have a versatile personality and can get along with most people, but I just enjoy what I enjoy and have no desire to pretend. Being myself is great as it seems to naturally repel fake or shallow people. By some miracle I got hooked on the social hobby of going to see live music, so I mostly cross paths with people who have good taste. :D Still, I had to go out at least once a week for 10 years straight to collide with my soulmate/girlfriend. But I was quite happy being single rather than spending time with women I can't relate to. If most women are as annoying as skunk3 says, I couldn't care less. We may be on the wrong side of whatever the modern social equivalent of natural selection is, but it's just a popularity contest or group delusion. We can focus on our own life and what we're about.

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