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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: DENnis on October 23, 2010, 05:02 PM
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Hey TUS-friends!
Do you also want to have more possibilities what you can pick for tus/clanner-games, too?
At all Information (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/) I read this schemes are possible right now:
•Classic league:
◦BnG
◦Elite
◦Hysteria
◦Roper
◦Shopper
◦Team17
◦TTRR (no RR or big RR)
◦WxW
•TNL: (TUS Normal League)
◦Only the Intermediate scheme
•Free league:
◦Boom Race
◦Bungee Race
◦Capture The Flag
◦Forts
◦Holy War
◦Jetpack Race
◦Mine Madness
◦Mole Shopper
◦Parachute Race
◦Super Sheep Race
◦Walk For Weapons
My idea is to add more 'schemes'/Game-Styles (for example to free-league).
For example:
◦PlopWar
◦Tower/Big Rope Race
◦Podshopper
◦Chambershopper
◦Flyshopper
◦Surfshopper :-*
◦Golf
◦Own Schemes/Other
Okay ... discuss if you want :D
Best Regards
DENnis
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I agree with plopwar and tower. But I guess we can report all those shopper under "shopper". golf and own schemes shouldn't be here, because they would create mess.
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why not delete hysteria?
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imo golf would be a great idea, and it's not messy at all. the grenade is either in the hole or not in the hole, and it actually shows some skills. ideal scheme for free league games.
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why not delete hysteria?
+1
Sorry but with so much talk about lameness/luck involved in other schemes hysteria simply has no right to exist along with schemes in which we tried to minimize the luck factor as much as possible imo. Hysteria would be good for free league though alongside with the other schemes in it. Fits better there.
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why not delete hysteria?
+1
Sorry but with so much talk about lameness/luck involved in other schemes hysteria simply has no right to exist along with schemes in which we tried to minimize the luck factor as much as possible imo. Hysteria would be good for free league though alongside with the other schemes in it. Fits better there.
I used to be on the same opinion, but playing with SPW and Random... well, that's no luck that they beat me 20 times out of 20... :P
Give that scheme a little time, I used to hate it too, neither do I like it at the moment, but I say it fits into Classic League.
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Yeah, didn't want to say it's all luck based, still there's so many lame moves, if you would play bng you would say OMG LAMEST SHIT EVER!!
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Yes, I have to admin, that's true. But the more experience you gain in the scheme, the better techniques you will absorb to avoid your opponent being able to pull off those lame moves.
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Exactly what do you call "lame moves" in hysteria? There are few more balanced schemes than that. (And don't come up with the "side zooking spots", as it's very easy to avoid)
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There's less luck in hysteria than in T17 (only the starting positions, really)
And if you want to reduce lameness (which I'm guessing refers to abusing turn order), I'm again suggesting random turn order in hysteria.
random turn order doesn't make abusing turn order impossible, but it would at least make it harder to do so.
Also, 10 seconds sd time is too much. Losing a turn almost never happens anymore and having to lose 10 turns in order to set off sd is just too much. I think 5 seconds would be better, personally :)
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"random turn order doesn't make abusing turn order impossible, but it would at least make it harder to do so."
Huh? Imo it would make abusing turn order impossible, unless you can predict what's the game engine going to throw at you next. Every tactic has its counter-tactic in hysteria, and that's what we love about it <3
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Back to the topic, I'd also love to have wkrubber schemes reportable (for example, a ttrr with antisink, chaos, rubber mole, etc.)
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"random turn order doesn't make abusing turn order impossible, but it would at least make it harder to do so."
Huh? Imo it would make abusing turn order impossible, unless you can predict what's the game engine going to throw at you next. Every tactic has its counter-tactic in hysteria, and that's what we love about it <3
Nope, just harder. Random turn order doesn't mean completely random turn order: if you have 4 worms, that means every worm will have its turn in the next 4 turns, but the order is random. In short: if there are 4 worms on your opponent's team and worm 1 has 2 turns in a row, that means worm 1 will not have another turn for at least 3 turns.
Also, losing a worm is not a tactic (unless you telecide), it's just you losing to your opponent. I don't think it should be rewarded by making turn abuse as easy as it is now.
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"random turn order doesn't make abusing turn order impossible, but it would at least make it harder to do so."
Huh? Imo it would make abusing turn order impossible, unless you can predict what's the game engine going to throw at you next. Every tactic has its counter-tactic in hysteria, and that's what we love about it <3
Nope, just harder. Random turn order doesn't mean completely random turn order: if you have 4 worms, that means every worm will have its turn in the next 4 turns, but the order is random. In short: if there are 4 worms on your opponent's team and worm 1 has 2 turns in a row, that means worm 1 will not have another turn for at least 3 turns.
Also, losing a worm is not a tactic (unless you telecide), it's just you losing to your opponent. I don't think it should be rewarded by making turn abuse as easy as it is now.
Alright, now let us find someone who can actually play with this in mind, keep track of which of the 4 worms had come before... Random worm selection would technically limit turn abusing ability to those whose IQ is above 150 (I personally would forget which of my worms had already had their turn after 10 turns of playing, with everything else going on in the game...)
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Isn't it completely random? :o
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Alright, now let us find someone who can actually play with this in mind, keep track of which of the 4 worms had come before... Random worm selection would technically limit turn abusing ability to those whose IQ is above 150 (I personally would forget which of my worms had already had their turn after 10 turns of playing, with everything else going on in the game...)
You don't need to remember 10 turns, though. Later on in the game, it'll be become easier to use turn abuse. I just don't think losing a worm early in the game should mean you're almost certain to win the game. That makes no sense for any other game.
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Isn't it completely random? :o
Almost completely random. :) One worm cannot have 2 turns while the rest only have 1.
By the way, you are completely off tracks with this "turn abusing" thing, I didn't mean that with lame moves at Hysteria. I meant that it allows easy full power shot repeats, that's what mostly irritates me. But having turn advantage is not that lame I think, it's a strategy in my opinion. Side spots are also a bit lame.
Exactly what do you call "lame moves" in hysteria? There are few more balanced schemes than that. (And don't come up with the "side zooking spots", as it's very easy to avoid)
Something being avoidable and defendable doesn't necessarily removes the lame title in my dictionary. ;)
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Alright, now let us find someone who can actually play with this in mind, keep track of which of the 4 worms had come before... Random worm selection would technically limit turn abusing ability to those whose IQ is above 150 (I personally would forget which of my worms had already had their turn after 10 turns of playing, with everything else going on in the game...)
You don't need to remember 10 turns, though. Later on in the game, it'll be become easier to use turn abuse. I just don't think losing a worm early in the game should mean you're almost certain to win the game. That makes no sense for any other game.
It does, because your opponent should be aware of what's going to happen if he/she plops/kills a worm before making the necessary precautions. And even after that, you can still surprise the opponent, I'll show you a way:
Worm 1 kills opponent's Worm 4 - Opponent's Worm 1 piles with Worm 1
Worm 2 teleports close to Worm 1 - Opponent's Worm 2 teleports underneath Worm 2 for an LGFP
Worm 3 plops Worm 4 - Opponent's Worm 3: WTF?
This way, the turn advantage strikes back. =P
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You're absolutely right, it makes much more sense that you have to kill one of your own worms in order to not lose when you start off by killing one of your opponents' worms ???
Can you think of another game where having a disadvantage from the start leads you to win easier?
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I've never REALLY liked Hysteria, it's ok, I play it now and again, but to me Hysteria is for people who can't BnG properly so they play that lol, cuz it's 1s it makes them feel good but all they are really doing is raping with repeats, straight zooks, basically the easiest shots possible in BnG and thinking it's skill.
It isn't.
Honestly, this guy beat me before after taking, literally, no lies, over 20 shots with a petrol to kill me, and was all like HAHAHA IN YOUR FACE, I was like, LOL aye right then, ok pal...
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You're absolutely right, it makes much more sense that you have to kill one of your own worms in order to not lose when you start off by killing one of your opponents' worms ???
Can you think of another game where having a disadvantage from the start leads you to win easier?
It's a common tactic in 2v2 roper to let the better roper have turn advantage and be able to pile with one of the opponents' worms (achieved by killing the weaker worm on the team, by FD or a weapon, thus dealing the opponent the weapon's damage plus grave damage plus the turn advantage).
Imo petrols and flamethrowers are the only weaknesses of Hysteria, and should be limited (like 7 and 3), as they're capable of dealing way too much damage.
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Not another non-sense talk about Hysteria, please. Just watch how often Hysteria is picked in the past, a lot of ppl like it. Nothing must be changed at all in that scheme, not even the sd time. Hysteria dont need more time than a regular bng or T17 (average time). And like CMV wrote, every tactic has a counter-tactic. Luck factor is less than in T17 or Roper.
And Hysteria isnt for ppl which are bad in BnG, Komo. Hysteria is a lot more than just throw nades or Molo's, just think about jetpack turns. So please stop that, Hysteria must be in classic league - it deserve it at all. ;) Random turn order I dislike but ofc we have to test it first.
Put some more schemes to Free League, thats okay. Something like Battlerace, Plop War, Holy War, Burning Girders, Intermediate (when TNL removed) etc.
Classic Schemes dont need any change at all. Just some little changes at current schemes would be okay.
- Roper -> Perfect.
- TTRR -> Perfect.
- WxW -> one Scheme for TUS, but not the current TUS Scheme, thats imo to weak. Inf. Zooks.
- Shoppa -> one Scheme for TUS, with superweaps. Inf. Drills.
- Hysteria -> Perfect.
- Elite -> Perfect.
- T17 -> one Scheme for TUS, I prefer "boom boom-Scheme", coz of less draws (chance for lategame-weaps is higher). Included eq, nuke, ws, patsy etc.
- BnG -> put in sd time, more hp wins then (?), remove girder, firepunch, torch; put in inf. teleport.
Thats all imo. :)
Stats Classic Leagues last 12 Pages:
1. Roper and Elite (both 49 picks)
3. Hysteria (42 picks)
4. TTRR (31 picks)
5. T17 (19 picks)
6. WxW (18 picks)
7. Shopper (15 picks)
8. BnG (10 picks)
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Imo petrols and flamethrowers are the only weaknesses of Hysteria, and should be limited (like 7 and 3), as they're capable of dealing way too much damage.
I agree with this, but in a different way, I just don't think it's good at all being killed when you have like 10hp left after the guy finally hits you with a petrol he's been trying for like 10 shots lol, petrols don't need to hit spot on, most of the time just having them push is good enough and it's very easy to hit with the flame, just needs to blow somewhere close lol.
And SPW, with JP any worm you wanna hit has to be pretty close, which kinda forces it's limited use, I still don't see much skill involved in this as it's pretty much straight forward, you just gotta be fast enough at pressing all the buttons the right way lol.
I like Hysteria, don't get me wrong, I just honestly don't see alot of skill in ANY Hysteria game, being able to hide from your opponent's "lame BnG shots" isn't skill, throwing 20 petrols hoping 1 will hit isn't skill, but I think it is cool and it is fun now and again :)
I bet at least 50% of the best shots in Hysteria were luck lol, doesn't mean I don't like it or don't think it's fun, I do enjoy it :)
It's like a BnG lottery to me lol.
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Nah Komo, u are totaly wrong with this. Guess you need some more exp. with that scheme. In Hysteria tactic is VERY important. Just watch the lastest Hyst from Playoff CF vs doH. Crash had the right tactic, but Zippo didnt agree with and made his own way. IF Zippo would hear what Crash said, they had much better chance to win that game. Crash knows almost everything about the Hyst Tactic so like Random00, me and some other Hyst. specialist. It has nothing to do with 50:50 Luck or smth like that - our Stats are over 80%! And thats for 3 or 4 years now, including many many Hyst's at Olympics, too.
When u play vs a good player it mostly ends with a 1 vs 1 worm drama. To know how to throw the final molo / nade / zook makes the difference then, and ofc some luck too, but not that high like 50:50. Exp. players knowing how to hit fast (2.1 full shot f.e.), like u know how to finish a bng by "ghost notching"* haha. :P
*No need to count it from top coz u exactly knows, where is 4.2 or 3.3 etc. Just a thing of expierence.
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Stats Classic Leagues last 12 Pages:
1. Roper and Elite (both 49 picks)
3. Hysteria (42 picks)
4. TTRR (31 picks)
5. T17 (19 picks)
6. WxW (18 picks)
7. Shopper (15 picks)
8. BnG (10 picks)
Mostly because there is guys who pick it because they would stand no chance in other schemes. ::) Anyway, i don't want to jump on this scheme discussion train, it seems there is a big amount of people who would vote for this scheme so i have to accept it. Won't change my attitude towards it though.
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Thats maybe a reason, but also the fact that hysteria makes fun. :)
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battlerace and holywar are already in free league. don't know if it was cool u could pick flyshopper in classic league (not scared of flyshopper, ...yea...i am a bit xD). maybe add "other shoppers" to freeleague, same rating for surf/fly/flysurf/and what not? brainstorm. that hysteria discussion is so offtopic
oh plopwar, golf and tower/bigrr to teh freeleague (x
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Stats Classic Leagues last 12 Pages:
1. Roper and Elite (both 49 picks)
3. Hysteria (42 picks)
4. TTRR (31 picks)
5. T17 (19 picks)
6. WxW (18 picks)
7. Shopper (15 picks)
8. BnG (10 picks)
Mostly because there is guys who pick it because they would stand no chance in other schemes. ::) Anyway, i don't want to jump on this scheme discussion train, it seems there is a big amount of people who would vote for this scheme so i have to accept it. Won't change my attitude towards it though.
Same goes for t17.
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you can say the exact same about any scheme
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Same goes for t17.
Why is that? Everyone who claims he's a good allrounder should be a good t17 player too, it's a classic scheme around for years.
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How can someone be a good t17 player when all it takes is learning the basic moves with the chute/bungee, and after that, the only thing deciding the game is what the game engine decides to throw at you?
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Hm, seems like you played like 5 t17's in your life. :)
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why not delete hysteria?
+1
Sorry but with so much talk about lameness/luck involved in other schemes hysteria simply has no right to exist along with schemes in which we tried to minimize the luck factor as much as possible imo. Hysteria would be good for free league though alongside with the other schemes in it. Fits better there.
Hysteria it's a nice scheme those schemes that he's pointing out are useless imo.
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I've never REALLY liked Hysteria, it's ok, I play it now and again, but to me Hysteria is for people who can't BnG properly so they play that lol, cuz it's 1s it makes them feel good but all they are really doing is raping with repeats, straight zooks, basically the easiest shots possible in BnG and thinking it's skill.
It isn't.
Honestly, this guy beat me before after taking, literally, no lies, over 20 shots with a petrol to kill me, and was all like HAHAHA IN YOUR FACE, I was like, LOL aye right then, ok pal...
U've seen me on hysteria clanners? was I lame? that only goes for bad players.
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Hm, seems like you played like 5 t17's in your life. :)
More like about 80, but still quite few. :\
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Well believe me then that it is MUCH more than being able to chute/bungee or wait for good weapons.
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I dont get this thread... what u want dennis? More schemes for the free league?
Sure I agree with that, the free league is hardly ever played but when it is I dont see why people shouldnt be able to choose any scheme they like, thats why its called the FREE league! Add all the schemes that you can think of to the free league and also add an "other" option for schemes that havent been listed or discovered yet. No harm in doing that, would be a good thing.
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I dont get this thread... what u want dennis? More schemes for the free league?
Sure I agree with that, the free league is hardly ever played but when it is I dont see why people shouldnt be able to choose any scheme they like, thats why its called the FREE league! Add all the schemes that you can think of to the free league and also add an "other" option for schemes that havent been listed or discovered yet. No harm in doing that, would be a good thing.
Yes, more schemes which you can pick. Best place for them would be free league I think.
To the Shopper - mixes like fly or surf or both .. I think no1 wanna play for example a surfshopper in classicleague (there's 1 more rule too, sba and you need ts) ... Because it isnt sooo serious and more for fun (but you need some different skills!).
And then you have much more variety what means you can get experiences in more schemes and getting better .. that'll make more addiction to tus-games I guess :)
I just love freedom and variety (:
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I think u totaly miss the point.
Just read carefully what Nail wrote :)
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??? Ok, maybe some irony ^^
But I really think it isn't bad too add some more possible picks.
I only wrote some examples ... Other = Other ideas are welcome, too.
Ok, of course not all own or other schemes should be added ... I don't want only luck-games like Comet Dodgeing or games which'll be mess it up.
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Exp. players knowing how to hit fast (2.1 full shot f.e.), like u know how to finish a bng by "ghost notching"* haha. :P
*No need to count it from top coz u exactly knows, where is 4.2 or 3.3 etc. Just a thing of expierence.
I think I understand what you mean by Ghost Notch,I think, I guess in a way you are right, but not intentional if you know what I mean?
I've BnG'd so long and probably more than anyone else (played more BnG games because how active I am and it's like 90% of everything I have played) I know exactly where I have to aim now for what distance they are, it's like it's instinctive, but I dunno where you are getting 4.2 and 3.3 from lol, even when I did used to notch I counted in 1's as in, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 no 3.3/5.2 etc...
But if you read what I say in my BnG advice, most of my shots I aim from other shots instinct, like NO-Wind LG, is like 4s FP but double the distance, so I aim halfway, this is obvious not notch, do you honestly think I can notch double banks, bounceback shots, floorbanks that bounce back, transfers and all the other shots myself and other members of b2b do?
Some of the shots we do are impossible to notch, the biggest givaway is the time we have to do it and plan it.
I didn't say I think Hysteria is lucky, I said I think about 50% of the best Hysteria shots are luck, as in incredible grenades that bounce funny, or zooks going through like 5 gaps that you could do like 1 every 1000 times lol, and that most shots don't take alot of skill, I only mean it's very basic shots thats all, the end of Hysterias is nice, I like that part for tactics when it's 1v1, and they constantly move about taking a few shots, if you plan that nice, it's skill :)
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This topic became a topic about ppl dont like hysteria or t17... lets ban every scheme from classic league, except ttrr, because thats the only one with 0% luck! (heh jk, i hate ttrr :D)
anyway some limitations in hyst weapons would be nice...
and about free league. i dont think there should be any limitations about what scheme u can pick. (except classic league schemes and intermediate).
but again, in some way this whole classic league schemes and free league schemes is wrong.
imho classic league should be something like:
1 scheme for pure roping (ttrr or tower or something)
1 for attacking and tactics from rope (roper, some shoppa...)
1 for artillery skills (bng, burning girders...)
1 for tactics and knowing weapons (elite, int maybe?...)
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1 for every skill which we can agree as a basic skill in worms.
so what i mean is there should be one scheme in classic league for every basic skills, the best one about the actual skill, but not more.
every other schemes in free league.
and anyone can run a specific league along with tus, or independent. like a2b.
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imho classic league should be something like:
1 scheme for pure roping (ttrr or tower or something)
1 for attacking and tactics from rope (roper, some shoppa...)
1 for artillery skills (bng, burning girders...)
1 for tactics and knowing weapons (elite, int maybe?...)
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1 for every skill which we can agree as a basic skill in worms.
I really REALLY like this idea, this sounds practically perfect to me :) +1
Honestly, I think BungeeRace, Forts & Super Sheep Race should be added to the all-round league:
As many people play Bungee Race as at least BnG, using the Bungee rope would be like TTRR in a way, using an individual weapons unique ability to create another very competitive, "all-skill/no-luck" based scheme.
Forts is another nice scheme and it is kinda classic because it's been around since the game started as a standard scheme, and it is fun and competitive.
Super Sheep Race is a really fun scheme and very skilled so would be nice to have as this is also an individual weapon based scheme you can use it's abilities for a competitive and fun scheme for the league which is another "all-skill/no-luck" game.
All 3 of these schemes are competitive, they don't take long to finish 1v1 or even 2v2 as far as an average 2v2 goes, they have league chemistry, There would be alot of competition with these 3 schemes and I would pick BungeeRace, Forts and Super Sheep Race just as much as BnG, it'd make me personally start TuS singles again, maybe it's just me, but I honestly think these 3 schemes have league material, and for people who don't like change, it's 11 years after WA, we've had the same boring league layout for 11 years now, it's TIME for a change, It'd be much more of an all-round league with these schemes, and think how interesting the playoffs would be with more variety for everyone.
Does anyone else like this idea?
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Prankster, u mean make 1 league for each scheme ? and the points gained/losted dont interfer at the overhall of the all schemes (classic league) ?
i agree to make 1 league to each scheme.
and can be add tower to the classic league, cuz it the other that is 0% of luck.
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and about free league. i dont think there should be any limitations about what scheme u can pick. (except classic league schemes and intermediate).
Intermediate is in TNL atm. and when TNL changes to TEL, Intermediate can be picked in freeleague. As for Forts, Supersheeprace and Bungeerace, is best to keep them in freeleague.
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lol bungee league will make komo come back to 1v1 tus... i think thats enough said, lets move on with the project! :P
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If it comes down to skill only schemes, Super Sheep Race would be a very good candidate. There is no luck involved in that scheme. It's just not popular. I like the idea of just 1 scheme of one of a kind as well. 1 pure roping scheme, 1 artillery etc. +1
Edit: It would even be possible to do time trial super sheep race, would be fun too.
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Prankster, u mean make 1 league for each scheme ? and the points gained/losted dont interfer at the overhall of the all schemes (classic league) ?
i agree to make 1 league to each scheme.
and can be add tower to the classic league, cuz it the other that is 0% of luck.
Yes I mean something like that, but that's not a must. Btw it's not my idea, a2b is done already. We only have our forums on TUS.
And there is TNL too, but it's open while a2b is private.
I meant tower OR roperace. But in some way they are the same.
If it comes down to skill only schemes, Super Sheep Race would be a very good candidate. There is no luck involved in that scheme. It's just not popular. I like the idea of just 1 scheme of one of a kind as well. 1 pure roping scheme, 1 artillery etc. +1
Edit: It would even be possible to do time trial super sheep race, would be fun too.
Adding SSR to classic league is a good idea for example! Driving the sheep is quite a basic skill, imo. Hm, I didn't really thought about skills only schemes or not, but i think it's doable. But then there wouldn't be roper or any shopper in classic league, and that idea would face too big resistance... Or maybe roper without crates, but a spot to touch before attack..?
Husk. I didn't know that, but of course. Or maybe even better if we say that TNL (or later TEL) is a good example for one scheme leagues, what I talked about (which clearly is in my sight!). Then it wouldn't mean any problem to pick intermediate or elite in free league (as we choose the other one to be the classic league scheme). Or if we choose a 3rd (what I doubt), both could be picked in free league...
I express myself a bit complicated in english, but hope You understand what I'm trying to say. :D
Honestly, I think BungeeRace, Forts & Super Sheep Race should be added to the all-round league:
Calling it all-round league instead of classic league is a good point! Good idea about those schemes to be added, too, but I don't think forts will be in the all-round league while there will be intermediate or elite... They're just not too much different, like shopper and wxw.
Ps.: Now I'm getting applaudes (thx for them! 8)), but I can foresee a war about which skills are basic and which are the best schemes about them...
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Ps.: Now I'm getting applaudes (thx for them! 8)), but I can foresee a war about which skills are basic and which are the best schemes about them...
ok, i smited u 8)
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Prankster, u mean make 1 league for each scheme ? and the points gained/losted dont interfer at the overhall of the all schemes (classic league) ?
i agree to make 1 league to each scheme.
and can be add tower to the classic league, cuz it the other that is 0% of luck.
Yes I mean something like that, but that's not a must. Btw it's not my idea, a2b is done already. We only have our forums on TUS.
And there is TNL too, but it's open while a2b is private.
That would completely take the requirement to get a good allround player. Also how much activity do you expect for those leagues? I'm also surprised of many other weird ideas here, for example to bring inter back, you know 1. we already had a thread where that was discussed and 2. it already was in the classic league schemes once and it caused nothing but trouble. So why do we always need to reinvent the wheel? Are people unsatisfied with the way this league is going? You know, i think the selection of schemes in the classic league is great, those schemes are popular, most people try to be good at them, the perfect league schemes, and now you want schemes like SSR to be in the classic league, ugh... maybe we should concentrate on small changes to the existing system (if people are so unhappy about it) instead of revolutionary nonsense. :)
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Indeed, I dont like big chances anyway. Just let it be, why something should be changed when it is running so nice like now?
Small changes, okay. But not such big ones like puting ss race etc in, thats just lol ::)
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Meh. What's this all against SSR?
Chakkman, you totally got me wrong. I don't care about those 1 scheme leagues, that's only an idea, if anyone misses something...
I'm just trying to make my point of this thread.
I didn't know you discussed these things already.
Are people unsatisfied with the way this league is going? You know, i think the selection of schemes in the classic league is great, those schemes are popular, most people try to be good at them, the perfect league schemes, and now you want schemes like SSR to be in the classic league, ugh...
I think most people who satisfied now, would be satisfied with my ideas too. And yes, many people complaining about the schemes in classic league (hyst, t17, shopper, roper...).
Perfect league schemes? Because they are popular?
Btw, I never said i want SSR in classic league.
Let's not talk about classic league, but all-round league as Komo said. And let's talk about this as an idea of a new league. Can we do it now without people saying "revolutionary nonsense", and "thats just lol" without explaining?
This way You can concentrate on small changes in classic league, and who is interested, can talk about the all-round skill league.
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Let's not talk about classic league, but all-round league as Komo said. And let's talk about this as an idea of a new league.
Actually that has also already been discussed quite a few times. If i remember right MonkeyIsland's point was that it would reduce the activity of each league. Totally agree with that. Really, the point is not to deny any new ideas, it is just that i wonder if people are unhappy with the league as it is now, or if they are into something "new and sexy" (more likely) which becomes boring again when it has grown old. Better to check yourself first before shouting for breaking changes in this league.
Just for your info: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/)
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I'm not unhappy with the leagues right now but some innovation will cause more games I guess.
I agree with plopwar and tower. But I guess we can report all those shopper under "shopper". golf and own schemes shouldn't be here, because they would create mess.
Tower and PlopWar is missing anyway, so that would be very nice to add them. Ty for all the answers.
Tower / Big RR is a nice skill game btw ;)
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Just to point out, a2b is NOT private, anyone can view the Home(News), Rules, Standings and View Games pages, you just need an invite to register, anyone can ask to join.
Anyway, What I meant with All-Round was something like this:
Everyone can play any section of the league they want, Classic, Free, TNL, those all have their individual standings, Classic Standings, Free Standings, TNL Standings, but there should be an All-Round Standings which takes into consideration all 3 sections of TuS for an All-Round Rating.
BnG, Elite, Roper, WxW, Shopper, Hysteria, TTRR and T17 does not make it an all-round league, to be honest, these are all basic schemes nowadays.
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So what another scheme u want? bungee race? plop war? this is all-round league to me ;s
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Dev, read my post again.
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Anyway, What I meant with All-Round was something like this:
Everyone can play any section of the league they want, Classic, Free, TNL, those all have their individual standings, Classic Standings, Free Standings, TNL Standings, but there should be an All-Round Standings which takes into consideration all 3 sections of TuS for an All-Round Rating.
Hm, that's a very good idea actually. :) And in theory it would increase activity in all leagues.
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I would like normal RR (30 sec) to be reintroduced, maybe one could be able to pick either RR or TTRR. And I would like it to be forced into the league, if the opponent refused to play normal RR = win for the opponent.
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Dozens of ties? No, thanks.
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It wont lead to dozen of ties, that`s an ignorant answer Dulek. The normal RR worked in leagues for a long time until TTRR came, why should it not work now? Just ask D1, it doesn`t lead to a dozen of ties
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So yeah for any newcomers to this thread, here is the idea I propose:
Everyone can play any section of the league they want, Classic, Free, TNL, those all have their individual standings, Classic Standings, Free Standings, TNL Standings, but there should be an All-Round Standings which takes into consideration all 3 sections of TuS for an All-Round Rating.
Like all games from every league (Classic/Free/TNL) All add up and count towards an All-Round League/Standings, so everything is basically as it is, just we have All-Round Standings which is all 3 added up, or added up and averaged out.
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With people playing the easiest maps nowadays I have to hold my opinion. Imo TTRR is an improved version of RR and it's been quite good for several years with only TTRR available.
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Indeed people only play the plane lineair maps like AZ, QP etc, what about playing abit more variated maps that are not so plane (long Herm/Strato maps for example), then we COULD play 30 sec RR.
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That could work indeed but only if people start playing such maps, which is rather hard to believe for me.
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This whole thread has drifted off topic lol
Dennis is kinda confusing with his posts but his point is simple; He wants more schemes to be added to the free league. Ive wanted this too, for example boomrace is there but battlerace isnt. The list of "free" schemes needs to be updated with all the schemes we can think of, and an "other" option for schemes that havent yet been made public or have been made up on the spot. These schemes should then be added by request to the free league if they are played enough. The free league is hardly ever played in comparison to the classic league so it isnt that big of an issue, but theres no harm in updating the list of 'free' schemes for when people do wish to play the free league.
+ about adding ssr to the classic league, I dont agree. Its not really popular enough amongst the majority of classic league players. Its also prone to map bashing and there is a huge gap between skilled ssr'ers and the skills of the average classic league player who only uses the sheep in elite or t17.
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NAiL battle race were added a looooong time ago.
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fine but, you see what his point is right?
Its a simple request, update the selection of free league schemes with all of the schemes that we know and add an "other" option just in case people play a scheme that isnt listed.
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I'll add Big RR, Tower, plopwar and Golf so far.
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Thank you very much MonkeyIsland 8)
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whats the difference between big rr and tower? tower is just a vertical big rr right?
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Yes true my mistake :)
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RR would be cool mayb imo! i played mayb few 30s rrs but them r fun and i would play longer maps for sure!
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WHy does a scheme have to be popular to be in the league?
Hardly anyone picks BnG and thats in?
As long as it's fun and competitive thats the whole reason behind an "all-round league" isn't it?
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komo brings up an excellent point.. id say we remove bng from classic league, and place it into free league :D
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komo brings up an excellent point.. id say we remove bng from classic league, and place it into free league :D
hahaha +1 for that one av.. imagine komo's reaction
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Lol komo you are the best ever when it comes to contradicting yourself :D
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Umm, didn't he say that the only reason schemes should be in the Classic league because they are fun and competitive. He never said that it has to be popular, and in this case BnG is fun and competitive but not as popular as the other classic schemes. Can't see what's wrong with that statement. :-X
Sometimes I think I am the only one that understands Komo. xD
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"komo brings up an excellent point.. id say we remove bng from classic league, and place it into free league"
;P
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I only played free league once, but yeah... any scheme should be valid there.
as for classic league:
I am shocked that there are even 3 serious supporters for SSR for the classic league... a scheme that focuses on one weapon you seldom see seems like a terrible idea to me. At least bng you use weapons you see in every scheme except ttrr... the 2 most basic weapons in the game... but supersheep? nah. -1 for SSR
I support 30 second rr... I think it would be a better indicator of skilled ropers, tbh... you also gotta have tactics in that scheme.. think about it... like if you are leading, do you continue to go at a fast pace and risk falling? or just kinda of cruise control it? if you are behind, do you want to try to catch up by rushing and risking falling? or hope for your opponent to fall? +1 for 30 second rr.
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yeah shy... u should have posted that in my 30 second rr topic.. but thats ok....
but thats my point, it can be strategic, and fun... its really kinda fun to actually "race" like we used to, instead of being under a stop watch (in a sense)
its fun to be behind, and have to catch up, or be in the lead, and try to keep that lead... now that the new patches support big maps people can make maps that will require about 10 fast turns, 12 medium pace turns... those would be very good for league games...
and dont get me wrong, im not saying we remove ttrr all together, but give it an option... ( not not like the w2roper option, thanx anyway MI)
this would will give the hoster the privledge of what scheme he wants... ttrr, or regular rope race....
atleasts lets give it a try... anyone interested in making a couple 8-10 turn rope race maps??
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im going to make another thread, rather then edit post (you can yell at me if u wish, SPW)
one argument seems to have been there will be ties... but that would not be the case on a larger map... on a 10 turn map, i can almost promise there wont be any ties... and if u really wanna make it interesting and challenging, i would suggest competeing with no parachutes... but that would be something we would have to vote/decide on as a community....
im not sure why no1 has posted on this particular topic yet, but i would like to hear some people views/opinions...
yes komo, even yours :D
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+1 from me for 30 second RR.
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Actually that has also already been discussed quite a few times. If i remember right MonkeyIsland's point was that it would reduce the activity of each league. Totally agree with that. Really, the point is not to deny any new ideas, it is just that i wonder if people are unhappy with the league as it is now, or if they are into something "new and sexy" (more likely) which becomes boring again when it has grown old. Better to check yourself first before shouting for breaking changes in this league.
That point is right, a new league like this would reduce activity in other leagues, especially classic. But just two more things: 1. I don't care about something is getting boring. There will be new players every time, who will find it "new and sexy". I'm not bored about classic league; never liked it. 2. "shouting for breaking changes"? I came up with an idea, and You came here shouting me down.
Please don't think I am forcing something or i can't take criticism. Make your point, explain it, and see, it's all okay.
avirex! I'm laughin :D
Komo, how do you exactly imagine the all-round standings? Every schemes which someone plays as for a TUS league count? Shouldn't there only be specific schemes which count? I think I understand how do You mean, but not sure how would that give an objective picture of how "all-rounder" a player is. If we specify some schemes which must be played for the all-rounder standings, it will act like a new league. If we don't, then who will tell if I am all-rounder "enough"? :)
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Ok I wanna get this out the way 1st, Crazy, how the HELL did I contradict myself?
Anyway, Shy, whats wrong with SSR? It seems to me alot of people like this idea, the basic principle would be to have a larger variety for classic league, what exactly don't you like about SSR? It IS without a doubt a very skillful and concentrated game and alot of people find it fun to play, as well as being competitive, nothing wrong with that surely?
Prank, the general idea I am thinking about "All-Round League" (ARL for short I guess) would be similar to Classic league for example, everyone has their ratings for the seperate schemes, TTRR, Elite, T17, BnG etc etc, and it all adds up to give your Overall Rank for the Classic league, the same thing would apply to ARL, Your ratings for Classic/TNL/Free would all add up for the ARL Rating.
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ttrr focuses on the rope, something that is essential to the game.
bng focuses on zooks and nades, 2 weapons that are also essential.
ssr focuses on the ss, which doesn't encompass an essential worms weapon, just a cute one. You only see ss during sd of t17 and elite, and it is usually just a one time use... I don't see why people would want to add ssr to the classic league when it isn't totally vital to being a good wormer... just a cool weapon. same with bungee race, we never see the bungee usually, so why would we make an entire scheme for something we hardly have to use?
also, ssr is unpopular.
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ttrr focuses on the rope, something that is essential to the game.
bng focuses on zooks and nades, 2 weapons that are also essential.
ssr focuses on the ss, which doesn't encompass an essential worms weapon, just a cute one.
Ok 1st off i'll ask you, who are you (or anyone else for that matter) to decide what is and isn't essential? You can only THINK it is or isn't essential as an opinion, but not as a fact.
Every weapon and every utility is "essential" just as much as NO weapon is essential to this game for example.
SS is an "essential" weapon to use in Elite for example, playing lots of SSR would improve your ability for crucial SS shots where it's hard to reach them, probably around 95% at LEAST TuS Elites at least 1 player has SS selected as their Super Weapon, i'd say this is a pretty "essential" skill to have, you can also use them in WxW/Shopper/T17.
I honestly don't think you have thought this through shy, I ain't trying to start a fight so please don't come back with a pissy attitude, do you see where I am coming from with this point?
Right now it just looks like you just don't like SSR as a scheme, as a personal opinion and your opinion seems a bit biased by this instead of waiting and taking into account how many others DO like SSR.
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also, ssr is unpopular.
:<
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Komo.... Shys points about ss not being an essential weapon as much as zook\ nades\ and rope is the truth... He also said exactly what u said.. Its used once in elites... Lol...... So why would we base an entire league scheme around this weapon... For free league it would be great.. And fun... But come on dude... Classic league? I dont think its a good idea either... And if he comes bac with a pissy attitude its well deserved after u said `who are you` or whatever u said... Its only shys opinions and he stated it with facts to back his opinion up... But yet again u feel as ur opinion holds more weight then anyone elses.. U need to stop that bullshit... And as far as u asking crazy when u contradicted ur self.. Lol... When DIDNT u??? Ur the king of contradiction.. Aand thats no opinion... That a fact... We should call u komotradiction..
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avi, he said rope is essential to the game, it isn't - the game does NOT depend on rope.
Same goes with bazooka and grenade.
And I said, who are you (or anyone else) to say what is and isn't essential to the game, which is right, shyguy, or anyone else does NOT get to decide what is essential to the game, THIS is a fact, what he said isn't a fact, yes SSR is unpopular, but like I already said, BnG is unpopular too, but it is still a fun and competitive scheme for alot of people, most people like BnG, they just prefer other schemes and they are better at other schemes, so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it, maybe even more so than they would pick BnG, what's so wrong about that? Not everyone has to pick it, but most people ARE good enough with SS to actually win them in a Playoff pick, if not, then they should pick the schemes they ARE good at.
So actually it's ME who has facts and not opinions, cuz these are facts not opinions (except the part about me assuming people would play SSR more than BnG, that's just an assumption).
And will you seriously stop assuming I think my opinion holds weight over anyone elses, I haven't put shy down, or insulted him, i've put my facts against his and asked for his input on that, if I done as you say I do I wouldn't be asking, i'd be telling, and I ain't so stop spreading rumors and sh*t that ain't true.
avi, if you have something to say about this and not just "i don't think it's a good idea" if you don't think it's a good idea, please say why and be specific and try and raise some good points while you are at it.
Stop trying to flame me in every thread I post in, I asked shy something not you, so why don't you let him speak for himself instead of always holding his hand...
Also he says this:
You only see ss during sd of t17 and elite, and it is usually just a one time use... I don't see why people would want to add ssr to the classic league when it isn't totally vital to being a good wormer... just a cool weapon. so why would we make an entire scheme for something we hardly have to use?
You say you only see it as a 1 time use in an Elite, ok, fair enough, but how many Elites do people go through? Some people go through up to 20 a day funners and leagues/clanners, so they are actually using the SS quite frequent, so saying make a scheme for something you hardly have to use is a pretty bad point as you do actually use it quite alot if you think about it properly.
Using rope isn't vital to being a good wormer, being good at elite isn't vital to being a good wormer, being good with a bazooka and a grenade isn't vital to being a good wormer, nothing is vital to being a good wormer, and actually everyone must see "being a good wormer" different to one another, I personally think being a good wormer is someone who is nice to have a game with, follows the rules and knows how to play, regardless of how good they are because everyone has potential and everyone eventually learns how to do it to the best of their ability.
I honestly think being good with the SS is as crucial as being good with anything else, i've seen SO many games where that ONE SS has lost a game, and one miss with a bazooka or a grenade, or one slip up in a roper or TTRR hasn't lost a game.
So actually in my opinion SS is actually more of a crucial skill you would want to be perfect at rather than the rest, in terms of Elites and some other schemes at least.
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cmon.. dont writte all of this.. =/ tus should be a characters restrict.. this discourages n1 ^^
jk (inst jk, is true, but is my opnion) writte wot u want ^^
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Komo, if you want to argue that zooks, nades, and ropes aren't essential to the game, go ahead.. but i think you will be alone in that respect.
I have thought this through... and also, how do you know if I like ssr or not? I never said if I did or didn't.
"You say you only see it as a 1 time use in an Elite, ok, fair enough, but how many Elites do people go through? Some people go through up to 20 a day funners and leagues/clanners, so they are actually using the SS quite frequent, so saying make a scheme for something you hardly have to use is a pretty bad point as you do actually use it quite alot if you think about it properly."
So you could see about 40 supersheeps being used potentially... okay... compared to all of the other weapons you use in elite, 40 times seeing a weapon used in 20 elites is nothing... how many times will you see a grenade being used in 20 elites from both players? You get 2 ropes in elite, and 1 ss, so you could potentially see 80 ropes being used in elite... 2 times the amount you would see from ss...
In t17, every team gets at least 1 rope.. you might not even get a ss in a t17... but the rope is always there.
In shoppa, you get infinite zooks.. you don't know if you will get a sheep.
so actually, the statistics back me up on this one... you don't see supersheep a lot compared to all the other weapons... it is just logical... if you have to use certain weapons a lot more than others, if you are good with them, you will win more. You don't need to be good at ss or bungee to win at any of the classic league schemes. You do have to be good at roping and nading, among other things, to win, though... If you want to give that philosophical mumbo jumbo about how you can't define essential or whatever, go ahead... but realistically, that argument doesn't make any sense when it is all evident in the game... it is like saying you don't have to be good at catching to be a good baseball player... of course you do
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Shy made an opinion... And so did i... Ss should not be a classic scheme lol... And i think 80 percent would agree wih that... And to say rope\zook\ and grenade are not the most key weapons on worms is just silly to me.. But thats just my opinion... I dont need to back it up with `facts` and make huge posts like i would like me too... Ss race should be a free league scheme thats a `fact` :) peace
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◦PlopWar
◦Tower/Big Rope Race
◦Podshopper
◦Chambershopper
◦Flyshopper
◦Surfshopper :-*
◦Golf
◦Own Schemes/Other
It would be a good idea, why not ?
85/90% of members of TUS only play classic league :D
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Like u would like me to*** sorry cant modify post.. Im on my cell... Oh, and if i wanna hold shys hand i can! Lol we r like kermit and miss piggy! Lololol muppet muppet muppet
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Argueing coz ssr ? zomg i support sogeking and avirex indeed, I won't talk this trough coz they already said what I think.
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I think Kermit never really liked Miss Piggy, at least that's what I remember. Kermit always tried to escape Miss Piggy because she was so annoying.
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I think Kermit never really liked Miss Piggy, at least that's what I remember. Kermit always tried to escape Miss Piggy because she was so annoying.
Very good point.
Avi should have used Beaker and that other spherical headed scientist if he was going to pick 2 muppets that have a close relationship.
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I think Kermit never really liked Miss Piggy, at least that's what I remember. Kermit always tried to escape Miss Piggy because she was so annoying.
pwnd haha! :D
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an unpopular scheme that can be fun and competitive, sounds pretty much of a definition for a free league scheme. yes, are we talking about ssr still?
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well, im obviously the kermit in me and shy's relationship :D
but yeah, i guess thats enough said about ssr.
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Komo, if you want to argue that zooks, nades, and ropes aren't essential to the game, go ahead.. but i think you will be alone in that respect.
So you could see about 40 supersheeps being used potentially... okay... compared to all of the other weapons you use in elite, 40 times seeing a weapon used in 20 elites is nothing... how many times will you see a grenade being used in 20 elites from both players? You get 2 ropes in elite, and 1 ss, so you could potentially see 80 ropes being used in elite... 2 times the amount you would see from ss...
so actually, the statistics back me up on this one... you don't see supersheep a lot compared to all the other weapons... it is just logical...
If you are saying essential as in the literal definition of the word, then they are not essential, you can still play WA without using ropes, zooks or nades, and still enjoy it.
I agree with your next 2 parts, but that isn't how you said it at 1st, you said you hardly use SSR which isn't true because you DO use it on a regular basis, and it's more of a crucial weapon than most.
And yeah you don't see it as much as other weapons, that doesn't make it useless or anything.
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revised then: you barely use ss compared to other weapons
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muppet muppet muppet... jeez
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Do we talk here about being all-rounder, or about being good in popular schemes?
Btw don't you think that being / not being part of classic league quite determines the popularity of a scheme? I think a lot of players play Roper, Shopper, WxW, Elite, TTRR, T17 and BnG because they have to know them to earn points in classic league.
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revised then: you barely use ss compared to other weapons
Why should the regularity of a weapon make it more important to you?
SS is more important in Elite than Grenades or Zooks, I would say as equally important as rope depending on the situation, there are situations where rope is more useful/crucial and SS is more useful/crucial.
Anyway, is there any particular reason why you really don't want SSR? Or is it just because you don't like it and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?
I'll ask you this then, is there ANY scheme YOU would like to see introduced to the Classic League?
And avi, seriously get a life mate, you look so pathetic repeating the same boring joke.
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Why should the regularity of a weapon make it more important to you?
Because I have to use it more?
SS is more important in Elite than Grenades or Zooks, I would say as equally important as rope depending on the situation, there are situations where rope is more useful/crucial and SS is more useful/crucial.
I would disagree. You can use nades to beat up their hide, destroy their steps so they can't get out, use the mortar/nade combo damage them so then you can use the ss...
Players usually guard their last worm well from a ss, so often times we see the ss late into the game at high rise sd and it isn't so hard to plop them...
Komo, I get the impression you think people use ss in elite and it is some tight squeeze ssr adventure through the map... that is hardly ever the case, although there are cool replays of that.
Anyway, is there any particular reason why you really don't want SSR? Or is it just because you don't like it and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?
I already gave particular reasons... and once again, I never said if I liked SSR or not, so stop with that.
"and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?"
I have publicly advocated w2roper, 30 second rr, and intermediate being entered into the league... Why don't you stop talking out of your ass?
"I'll ask you this then, is there ANY scheme YOU would like to see introduced to the Classic League?"
Yes, read above.
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Silly conversation. Just to interject.
You haven't really defined 'essential', so there is no real resolution to this debate.
Super Sheep is a unique super weapon that is much more powerful and effective than a nade. Can they really be compared when they are so different?
In elite you only have 1 super sheep but you have infinite nades....so nades could be considered essential and super sheep an added extra.
I would consider the super sheep the most useful weapon in the elite arsenal but not essential. You can take a super sheep out of elite and it would still be elite. Taking out the nade would seriously f@#! up the scheme.
Super sheep is a completely unique weapon which is why it has it's own scheme.
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Just because you use something more doesn't make it more important Shy...
Ok so we both disagree here, end of story, I think SS is more useful than grenades and zooks in Elite, and that's coming from someone who has spent the last 6 years exclusively playing with grenades and zooks, but that's just my opinion, so yeah I respect how you feel ok?
I didn't say you did or didn't I said "or is it because" with a question mark at the end of the sentence.
I am not saying SS is always a tight squeeze, but you cannot argue that SS is such a crucial shot of a game, most times i've seen someone really miss their SS they have lost because alot of the time they were counting on it to hit, and hit right, so SSR would be GREAT practise for this as well as being it's own competitive and fun scheme.
Intermediate, fair enough, but w2rope and 30s RR doesn't really count as most people have suggested it as a 2nd choice to the norm.
We don't need variations of the same scheme, we don't need SSR/Bungee/Forts either if we are talking about the literal meaning of the word "need", but I think these 3 would be a MUCH better variation and fun, at the same time being competitive.
I'd much rather have Bungee/SSR/Forts in the league than w2rope/30sRR/Intermediate.
w2rope and 30sRR is more or less the exact same thing as Roper and TTRR, it's the same thing just diff rules.
Intermediate feels like a variation of Elite, just like Forts is like a variation of BnG for me, but Bungee and SSR are 2 totally fun schemes and I think it would make things MUCH more interesting and people could have fun playing them.
What would hurt so much about having these 3 schemes?
Cue, i've already declared I took Shy's use of the word "essential" literally, meaning what it says in the dictionary, not a twisted sense of the word.
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Komo, I get the impression you think people use ss in elite and it is some tight squeeze ssr adventure through the map... that is hardly ever the case, although there are cool replays of that.
I was thinking about this, but didn't want to say before, 'cause i found it stupid. But now you came up with it... So if you think this way, then what's the point of playing RopeRace? You hardly ever need to use that style of roping in any other "popular" scheme.
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Komo, I get the impression you think people use ss in elite and it is some tight squeeze ssr adventure through the map... that is hardly ever the case, although there are cool replays of that.
I was thinking about this, but didn't want to say before, 'cause i found it stupid. But now you came up with it... So if you think this way, than what's the point of playing RopeRace? You hardly ever need to use that style of roping in any other "popular" scheme.
Exactly, +1
This is why I think SSR would be good... Cuz it's a nice way to use a single element of the game as a scheme.
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So far ur the only one who feels ssr should be added to the schemes... And one of the very few the dont think 30sec rr should be.. +1 for standing ur ground.. No matter how many people always disagree with u
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We don't need variations of the same scheme, we don't need SSR/Bungee/Forts either if we are talking about the literal meaning of the word "need", but I think these 3 would be a MUCH better variation and fun, at the same time being competitive.
I'd much rather have Bungee/SSR/Forts in the league than w2rope/30sRR/Intermediate.
w2rope and 30sRR is more or less the exact same thing as Roper and TTRR, it's the same thing just diff rules.
Intermediate feels like a variation of Elite, just like Forts is like a variation of BnG for me, but Bungee and SSR are 2 totally fun schemes and I think it would make things MUCH more interesting and people could have fun playing them.
What would hurt so much about having these 3 schemes?
Cue, i've already declared I took Shy's use of the word "essential" literally, meaning what it says in the dictionary, not a twisted sense of the word.
We already have these schemes. People are playing them here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Super_Sheep_Race/?s=overall), here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Forts/?s=overall) and here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Bungee_Race/?s=overall).
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We already have these schemes. People are playing them here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Super_Sheep_Race/?s=overall), here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Forts/?s=overall) and here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/recent-free/Bungee_Race/?s=overall).
I would like to play them in Classic league where MUCH more people play people actually play alot.
I thought that was obvious, but nevermind lol.
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I think these discussions are great! After all, avi did complain about the low activity on the forums, so to be honest, he should be glad Komo is here to argue :-*
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Komo is like the daylie news poster. Always something new and always (!) interesting stuff. I mean it's not like it's completely bullshit. I enjoy it at least. :D
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I ain't arguin crazy, i'm just trying to convince them about SSR, it ain't like we are shouting at each other and gonna throttle each other lol.
It's a debate :P
But yeah, I guess I do go that extra step everytime, I would like these 3 schemes in Classic, but if they don't, I ain't gonna cry about it I can live without it lol, just saying i'd probably start playing Classic league again with some new schemes to play competitively :)
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I am not saying SS is always a tight squeeze, but you cannot argue that SS is such a crucial shot of a game, most times i've seen someone really miss their SS they have lost because alot of the time they were counting on it to hit, and hit right, so SSR would be GREAT practise for this as well as being it's own competitive and fun scheme.
Adding a scheme just because it complements ONE element in ONE scheme doesn't make a lot of sense. Like cue said, you don't have to have a ss for elite to be elite... that element doesn't even have to be there.
"I'd much rather have Bungee/SSR/Forts in the league than w2rope/30sRR/Intermediate."
I don't know why you are going on about w2rope/30srr/intermediate... I just named those as a rebuttal to you questioning me if I was stubborn on change... I am talking about ssr right now. But now that you mention it...
Bungeerace: I would once again argue that bungee is not a vital part of the game, thus making bungeerace a pickable scheme in classic league would be foolish.
SSR: Same reasoning as bungeerace. Like Komo said, it is a vital move in elite, but that is just one element of one scheme... not enough for me.
Forts: I don't have a problem with forts. You have to do well with your weapons, which you get a nice variety of. No problem with that scheme.
A note about ttrr:
Yes, ttrr you only get ropes and chutes, but this scheme is classic league valid because of how important the rope is to so many other schemes. That is why a scheme centered on just the rope is acceptable, and why schemes centered on the bungee and ss are not...
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Oh so, you think TTRR is vital because you like it more, but SSR isn't?
Sorry if I am wrong, but isn't TTRR just ONE element of the game as well? That's a bit hypocritical isn't it?
The element doesn't HAVE to be there but it IS the most useful weapon in Elite to so many people.
Rope isn't "important" to other schemes, it's just "used" in other schemes, for example, SS to me is more useful than Rope in both T17 AND Elite, and I am sure it is for other people also, and I am sure some will disagree and think of it vice-versa.
And seriously, your opinion on Forts, nice one mate, even if just Forts was introduced to Classic league, i'd be so much happier. At least it's something.
But lol, even though YOU agree with Forts, probably everyone else won't :(
I can't win either way LOL
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Oh so, you think TTRR is vital because you like it more, but SSR isn't?
Wait... where the hell do you keep getting this "because you like it" stuff? I never said anything like that.. and i don't care if you wrote that statement in question form.. stop it.
Sorry if I am wrong, but isn't TTRR just ONE element of the game as well? That's a bit hypocritical isn't it?
I addressed that EXACT statement in my previous post.. did you even read it?
"A note about ttrr:
Yes, ttrr you only get ropes and chutes, but this scheme is classic league valid because of how important the rope is to so many other schemes. That is why a scheme centered on just the rope is acceptable, and why schemes centered on the bungee and ss are not... "
Rope isn't "important" to other schemes, it's just "used" in other schemes, for example, SS to me is more useful than Rope in both T17 AND Elite, and I am sure it is for other people also, and I am sure some will disagree and think of it vice-versa.
If you are terrible at roping, it is likely you will lose roper, shoppa, and wxw. those are 3 schemes that you can lose JUST because of your roping skill. You can't say the same for ss.
You are right about your last sentence, though, people will disagree and agree. I personally would say using your 2 ropes in elite is more important than the ss. Remember, your opponent doesn't magically end up with 1 worm at the end.. you have to do stuff in the middle of the game... for me, I would always rope if there was a possible double skunk, and I know most people would use a rope to jump on a double skunk.
As for t17, I disagree with you there, too. There are many other sd weapons you can get in t17, not just ss. But when you have a rope and your opponent doesn't, you have a huge advantage... you can hide all around them in unreachable places without having to worry about being killed... Also, they only give you 1 rope in t17.. you only have 1 time you can use it, so it is important when to use it.
good discussion
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You DO like TTRR more than you like SSR, I think that's obvious.
I know, but you still said it in a hypocritical way.
Can't really argue with this, these are facts about being terrible at rope, and 3 schemes, I do think we have somehow drifted away from the discussion a bit.
Basically I wonder why you think TTRR (being a single element of the game) is fine to have as a scheme, although SSR isn't (being a single element of the game also).
Basically the ONLY reason I see for this, is because it is more popular, and as i've already said, popularity doesn't decide Classic league schemes, otherwise BnG wouldn't be in, I think more SSR's would get played than BnG's, but BnG holds its position in the Classic league because it's always been there I guess.
I think it would be nice to even just try these schemes for a few months to try them out, no harm would be done to try them, not everyone will like them, but enough people will, not everyone likes every scheme that's available in the Classic league already, some people don't like BnG, some don't like Rope schemes, some don't like defaults etc...
Anyway, i'm happy eitherway because I get my new PC monitor today - 42"HDTV Plasma screen Samsung :D
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how about we make a poll about should ssr/bungeerace/forts in classic league or freeleague x;
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You DO like TTRR more than you like SSR, I think that's obvious.
And so what? that has nothing to do with any of the points I have been making at all.
Basically I wonder why you think TTRR (being a single element of the game) is fine to have as a scheme, although SSR isn't (being a single element of the game also).
I already gave multiple reasons.. I'll say them again;
TTRR is all about the rope; there are 3 schemes you can lose at just because you suck at the rope.
For ss, there is only ONE scheme that the ss is used crucially in, and even if you fail at the ss in elite, that doesn't mean you lose. Plus, like cue said, you don't even have to have the element of ss in elite.
So when it comes to ttrr vs ssr, one severely complements THREE schemes while the other possibly complements one part of one scheme.
Basically the ONLY reason I see for this, is because it is more popular, and as i've already said, popularity doesn't decide Classic league schemes, otherwise BnG wouldn't be in, I think more SSR's would get played than BnG's, but BnG holds its position in the Classic league because it's always been there I guess.
Why do you ignore my other reasons and replace them for this incorrect one? If that were true, then I wouldn't have advocated w2roper and wouldn't be advocating 30 sec rr... both of those schemes are unpopular... my history automatically negates that statement you made...
good discussion
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It does actually, your opinion of SSR and TTRR is different because you like one ALOT more than the other, and you are used to TTRR in the league, if SSR was in TuS before you registered, and you didn't have a choice, I honestly don't think you would complain, I think you'd be happy with it, thus making a slightly BIAS decision on schemes.
I've already said, those reasons don't really matter, it doesn't matter how useful a weapon is, or a single element, the main thing about a league like this is competitive and fun challenges and games, I think these 3 schemes would add to this, as both Bungee and SSR in their single element are VERY challenging, fun and competitive, even more so than TTRR in my opinion, it's easier to TTRR than it is to Bungee Race imo, SSR also, you can't fall and get another try usually with Bungee, like you do in TTRR, if you hit a wall with SS turn ends, unlike TTRR, so to me it'd be more fun and challenging, and competitive than TTRR... Another reason why I think they should be part of the Classic league.
I ignore your reasons for this point because I find them irrelevant to the discussion, why should SSR not be accepted just because Rope schemes are more popular?
w2rope is really unpopular and I think it was an honest mistake, 30s RR isn't unpopular as it was very popular before TTRR, I actually think people will use this.
TTRR/Rope are not accepted because they are "important" in other schemes, they are accepted simply because they are popular and fun/competitive schemes to play, 2 of the most popular actually, it has nothing to do with them being important parts of Elite or any other scheme...
So I think your point about this has absolutely no relevance or hold for this debate, at least I honestly do not see why it should or even would.
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
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did u say something other then muppet muppet muppet?
jeez, no1 reads ur long ass posts.. wtf
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It does actually, your opinion of SSR and TTRR is different because you like one ALOT more than the other, and you are used to TTRR in the league, if SSR was in TuS before you registered, and you didn't have a choice, I honestly don't think you would complain, I think you'd be happy with it, thus making a slightly BIAS decision on schemes.
Wtf? you are so god damn annoying... why don't you stop dictating my thoughts like you know them better than me...? ffs...
I have said numerous times in the past that roper should not be a league scheme... I am talking years ago... I didn't think roper was league worthy, and I still don't, which is one of the reasons why I advocated w2roper. If you really want my reasons as to why roper shouldn't be in the league, we can discuss that elsewhere. The fact is, I HAVE complained about the legitimacy of schemes before, and just because YOU didn't know I did does not mean that you get to make some arrogant conclusion about how I would act towards something... especially something I have been arguing against this whole thread... I mean seriously, how can you come back and tell me how I would act if things were different? You have no credence over my thoughts.
I've already said, those reasons don't really matter, it doesn't matter how useful a weapon is, or a single element, the main thing about a league like this is competitive and fun challenges and games, I think these 3 schemes would add to this, as both Bungee and SSR in their single element are VERY challenging, fun and competitive, even more so than TTRR in my opinion, it's easier to TTRR than it is to Bungee Race imo, SSR also, you can't fall and get another try usually with Bungee, like you do in TTRR, if you hit a wall with SS turn ends, unlike TTRR, so to me it'd be more fun and challenging, and competitive than TTRR... Another reason why I think they should be part of the Classic league.
Those reasons do matter. You are probably the only one who doesn't acknowledge that. I can guarantee what I have been saying has been common sense to the respected, experienced players of this game. As for your comment about bungee difficulty vs ttrr difficulty, for me, personally, it didn't take years to get good at bungee like it did for rope... I am curious if that is the same with everyone else. As for difficulty of getting mablak and dibz times in ttrr vs bungee skill? You have no argument there; it is much more difficult to achieve the former.
I ignore your reasons for this point because I find them irrelevant to the discussion, why should SSR not be accepted just because Rope schemes are more popular?
your "why should ssr not be accepted just because rope schemes are more popular?" statement is irrelevant to the discussion. The only thing I said about popularity was that ssr was unpopular.. I never made a statement about the popularity of roping schemes in correlation to the validity of ssr.
So I think your point about this has absolutely no relevance or hold for this debate, at least I honestly do not see why it should or even would.
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
I advocated w2roper because of ALL OF THE REASONS I HAVE BEEN STATING THIS WHOLE DAMN TIME. I'm against 2 of your schemes because of the same reasons I have been posting. You keep brushing my reasons off as irrelevant, but you are in the minority with that thinking.
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league.... I have seen players continuing to support those schemes for the free league though... oh, but you think the free league is retarded.... so let's change the system for komo even though there are people happy with the way free league is now.
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im not sure if komo even cares if ssr is in the league... or bungee is in the league... or 30 second rr is in the league.. or if w2roper is in the league... i would almost even bet he does not care if bng is in the league....
im pretty sure he just wants to argue about somthing, with someone... no matter what it is... or who its with.... he just wants to argue....
or as komo likes to call it, debate.
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avi, how weird are you lol, 1st you say no one reads my long posts, and Shyguys posts have been longer than mine in the last few pages...
Funny you don't seem to be bothering him about it lol, oh yeah, I guess that's because you like to hold his hand haha.
Ok Shy, I am dictacting your thoughts about SSR and TTRR because they are correct and you even know that, you DO like TTRR alot more than SSR, even if you like them both, the only reason you have the opinions you do about this suggestion is because you like some things more than the others, and you have opinions about some things being more important or "essential" than others, and I am coming to the conclusion about the way you act about THIS matter because of the things you have been saying.
I don't think those reasons matter, i've already explained this and if you can't understand it then I really can't be bothered debating with you anymore because you always take everything personal and start losing your temper and avi comes in talking alot of crap with no useful information about the debate he just wants to flame, you can never stay calm, it's dissapointing.
You said Rope is an element used more often than SSR which is why it's accepted as a scheme, go figure the rest out yourself.
So many people advocated w2rope, and never stuck by it, not even HALF those people have even played one yet, it was a complete failure, and no one cares, no harm done, so why can't we try the schemes i've suggested? If it doesn't work out, no harm done so what's the big deal???
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic, people wanna play classic more because it's the more popular and competitive league, if a few more schemes were introduced, I think they would play them because it is the more competitive and popular league everyone is playing.
People play those schemes in Free league, for the simple reason they are IN Free league... If they were in Classic, I think they would play those schemes there instead, maybe even more so.
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muppet
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Ok Shy, I am dictacting your thoughts about SSR and TTRR because they are correct and you even know that, you DO like TTRR alot more than SSR, even if you like them both, the only reason you have the opinions you do about this suggestion is because you like some things more than the others
Seriously, f@#! off, troll. You say shit like that and then say oh oh oh you get too personal and lose your temper muppet muppet muppet... I wonder why? When you ignore what I say and replace it with "the only reason you" and "i dictate your thoughts because they are correct and you know it", I wanna f@#!ing kick you in the face because of how damn arrogant you are and always will be. How about I start dictating your thoughts? okay, you quit tus singles not because you didn't get good points for wins, but because you feel too shitty whenever you lose a bng... afterall, you say bng is for fun, so why would you quit because of points? How do you like that? I just dictated your thoughts... and you know I am right... muppet muppet muppet.. look, I can be a komo, too!
"You said Rope is an element used more often than SSR which is why it's accepted as a scheme, go figure the rest out yourself."
You are the only one that disputes that... you are f@#!ing alone, komo.. why can't you see that? WHY?
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic, people wanna play classic more because it's the more popular and competitive league, if a few more schemes were introduced, I think they would play them because it is the more competitive and popular league everyone is playing.
"Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?"
Where did you say "think"? Where? where did you say it, you f@#!ing asshole? Contradicted yourself once again.
Here is another opinion of mine: I think everything komo says about anything should be disregarded unless it is about bng... he doesn't know shit about anything other than bng, so why should we listen to his twisted views on elites and t17? he knows NOTHING.
you can never stay calm, it's dissapointing.
You are right.. I can't, because you are such a good troll... if you honestly think you have been such a great person in discussing stuff, and other people getting mad is unjust and a disappointment, then you really need to do some self evaluation... You piss everyone off.. and when you say stuff like "you can never stay calm, it's disappointing" that strongly leads me to believe you are just trolling like a pathetic dick. Goodbye
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Ok Shy, you wanna kick me in the face, i'll give you my personal address you can come pay me a visit, it'd be the last thing you ever do.
You can't stay calm, you always get moody and lose your temper, so if anything, you are the "pathetic person"
You and avi are the "trolls"
I know more about WA than you do, I just can't do some things as good as you, such as TTRR.
You have took this whole thing WAY out of perception, I said you like TTRR more than you like SSR, it is true, you WON'T deny it, but instead you get all protective about a LITTLE THING that isn't even insulting in the slightest and start acting like a child.
I'm done with this, i'm done with you, you can't focus on anything, you have temper issues and you can't even talk like an adult.
Yet again you ruined a perfectly good debate, YOU are the one that lost temper and started insult etc, not me, so take a look at yourself, not me.
Anyway, off ot get my new TV now, enjoy being a pissy little bad tempered child lol.
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Troll.
I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
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I couldnt be arsed reading the whole discussion as it has 2 many LOOOONG posts where u both just bash at eachother, still u do it in a civillized matter, its obvious u guys dont need much 2 go at eachother! :p And thats fair, the height under the roof should be high and everybody cant like everybody! :)
As far as ssr being added to CLASSIC league!? omfg i hope this is a joke. i played this game for some years now, i seen that scheme hosted in ag less then 10 times. Its not a normal scheme, its not played enough 2 be brought up in the discussion, as a matter of fact there is nothing "classic" about the scheme at all! :)
Thats my opinion!
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Troll.
I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
Shows you just aren't very clever lol, theres a difference between people playing and people picking, go figure it out for yourself, i'm seriously fed up with your poor intellect.
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LMFAO nino !
Now THAT was funny... Unlike their pathetic jokes haha
OMFG that was hilarious lol ! Just watched it on my new 42" Monitor :D:D
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komo, its all u do is contradict urself.... its so silly that u would even suggest SSR as a classic scheme, as uber pointed out.. i think u just wanted a "debate"
its also funny how u say "u ruined a perfectly good debate" lmfaooooo u f@#!ing live for "debates" on the forums dude....
shyguys is a 17year old child, ur correct.. but he is a very smart 17 year old child, for u to question his intelect is pretty funny.... because he is making u look so foolish...
now i know ur going to come back and muppter muppet muppet "stop holding shys hand"
but im just stating the obvious, shyguy makes u look like a toolbox....
and points out once again, that all you ever do is contradict yourself, its really actually funny... keep it up muppet!! the sky is green
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Troll.
I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
Shows you just aren't very clever lol, theres a difference between people playing and people picking, go figure it out for yourself, i'm seriously fed up with your poor intellect.
K, fine... you said you THINK people will play them is what you said, and you also said earlier "knowing that people will play them." so you are still contradicting yourself.
Pick or play... you are just grasping at straws now.. if they pick the scheme, then it will be played.. nice one troll.
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?
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Right fair enough I said I think then I said I know, i'm right both ways though, because people WILL pick it if it's available, are you trying to tell me no one will pick them?
Avi, he's the one that looks foolish from a moral point of view, he's the one losing his temper and acting childish, but at least Shyguy actually makes an effort to debate about something he has an opinion about, you just come here and talk alot of crap with NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.
I have no problem admitting a mistake, if someone points it out in a resonable manner, if they act like a jerk i'll just keep going because it's funny to see someone get so easily wound up.
But still, I said I think a fair amount of people would play those schemes if they were in classic, I was thinking here about both picking and having it picked against you, therefore playing, and I do know people would pick it, because I for one would pick it, I really think Cueshark would pick it, I know a few other people i've spoke to and they said they would pick it, so yes, I "know".
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I asked you where your fair amount of players backing you up were. Cueshark has played 2 tus games total; sorry, he is not a valid answer.
Originally when i asked you that, you didn't answer me... you just gave me your bullshit komo politician routine by saying "i said I THINK"... now I proved you didn't say THINK.
"Right fair enough I said I think then I said I know"
No, you said you knew and then when I asked where your possy was you said "think". you changed your stance as usual as soon as you saw you were in a corner. You went from saying you KNEW, to you THINK, and now most recently, that you both KNEW and THOUGHT.
"I have no problem admitting a mistake"
Yeah, I would say that is your number one problem next to your arrogance on everything.
"I was thinking here about both picking and having it picked against you, therefore playing"
I'm sure you did, komo... i'm sure you did...
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Cueshark has played 2 tus games total; sorry, he is not a valid answer.
My post wasn't commenting on whether to put ssr into the Classic league. I didn't even know there was a classic and a free league.
Glad to find out there is though because I didn't realise you could play ssr in TUS.
:<
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Cueshark has played 2 tus games total; sorry, he is not a valid answer.
My post wasn't commenting on whether to put ssr into the Classic league. I didn't even know there was a classic and a free league.
Glad to find out there is though because I didn't realise you could play ssr in TUS.
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I know. Komo was saying he knew of some people who would pick ssr if it was in classic league, and he said your name, but you have only played 2 games ever. Yeah, you can play ssr in the freeleague where it belongs
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Shy, I never even seen you ask "Where is these people you say you know would pick SSR", so I apologise if you did.
I did say "I THINK" - You even quoted me on that...
You are the one being arrogant here, honestly, your routine when debating, trying to find flaws in the way people type/say things has no real influence on the outcome of ANY debate, you start off with a few long replies, with really good points, I reply to that, you might make a few extra good points, whether I agree with them or not, then I reply again, and then you just start trying to pick on the way people say things, instead of what they are actually saying and try to think like them and understand the way they see things, or the way they are thinking about something.
If you want names i'll give you names, I don't see the point though.
Shy, just because Cue has only played 2 games in TuS doesn't mean he wouldn't start playing if he was more interested in different schemes? Everything changes eventually, it's inevitable, it's quite possible he WOULD pick it, notice I said "WOULD" if it was available, I honestly think he would, but if he didn't, then i'd be wrong and whoopdee doo, it wouldn't be because he doesn't play SSR, it'd be because he doesn't play TuS.
I'm actually gonna make a vote, just to see who is right here.
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"You are the one being arrogant here, honestly, your routine when debating, trying to find flaws in the way people type/say things has no real influence on the outcome of ANY debate"
I was debating perfectly fine until you started putting words in my mouth (saying I didn't like ssr), dictating my thoughts (making up reasons as to why I am against ssr and refusing to accept any explanation except for your own false ones you completely made up), and dictating my actions (saying how I would act if things were different). Basically, your routine of debating is that you are too f@#!ing retarded to have an intelligent debate, so you pull your pants down and shit on the keyboard and post whatever keys were pressed.
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You are completely exagerrating, I made a guess that you like TTRR more than SSR, and also I said you don't really like SSR, and you spat the dummy like a 2 year old...
OH NO END OF THE WORLD !!!
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You are completely exagerrating, I made a guess that you like TTRR more than SSR, and also I said you don't really like SSR, and you spat the dummy like a 2 year old...
OH NO END OF THE WORLD !!!
Correction: The first time you "guessed" that I didn't like ssr, I asked you how you knew if I liked it or not. The 2nd time you "guessed" that I didn't like ssr, I said I never said if I liked it or not and told you to stop saying that. In the same line you also "guessed" that I had a stubborn happiness with things I am used to in a league; that was the third time you put words in my mouth and I just told you to stop talking out your ass. The 4th time you put words into my mouth, you said I think ttrr is more vital because I like it more than ssr; I asked you where you kept getting this "what I like" stuff and told you AGAIN to stop it. Then for a FIFTH time, you claim you would know how I would act if ssr was already in the league; I told you to stop dictating my thoughts and called you annoying. And then, lastly, for a SIXTH time, you dictate my thoughts again by your "you know I am right" shit...
So final correction: I "spat the dummy like a 2 year old" after you put words in my mouth, dictated my thoughts, and dictated my actions SIX times; 2 of which I said to stop it.... and now you come here like you said only 1 thing and I blew up on you... no... you kept f@#!ing doing it SIX times... it is YOU who does not know how to have a f@#!ing civilized debate... you don't know how to debate... you just troll... you are a giant troll
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You exagerrate, i'm done with this, not wasting my time with people that don't deserve it.
Everytime I come up with a suggestion, you and avi try and find a way to make an arguement out of it, lifetime achievement award right there, good for you, well done son.
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Lmao, I didn't exaggerate... My last post shows exactly what led up to my explosion; you being a dick 6 times.
We don't have a vendetta against you, it is just you consistently come up with the shittiest points and explanations and you are always arguing by yourself cos little agree with you... You never base your reasoning on anything sound and then you come off so arrogantly when someone challenges you... you can't take being made a fool out of... why don't you block this website from your router and lower your stress level a little
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LOL @ being a dick 6 times, if that's true, then you are VERY VERY VERY easily offended and a very very fragile person...
You just blatently said right there, I never base my reasoning on anything sound, yet you call me arrogant.
Of course I can take being made a fool of, I live in Scotland where we take the piss EVERYDAY and insult each other EVERYDAY.
Why would I wanna block this? This is my stress relief reading your halfwit posts lol.
Honestly, sometimes I just go along with it just to wind you up cuz you bite so easy...
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If you acted like a dick 6 times outside of this debate, I probably wouldn't care... but we are supposed to be having a civilized debate, and when you start pulling shit like that 6 times when I tell you multiple times to stop, you bet your ass I'm not going to let you get away with it...
"You just blatently said right there, I never base my reasoning on anything sound, yet you call me arrogant."
Yep, exactly. Was that statement supposed to be some clever contradiction against me? I don't get it... you just repeated what I said... and it is true.
"Honestly, sometimes I just go along with it just to wind you up cuz you bite so easy..."
So you admit to being a troll. But yeah.. it took you 6 times, but you finally got me to bite! good job! You involuntarily wind me up by the stupidity displayed in all of your posts... but sure... you can fall back on that you were doing it on purpose... that's a good cover up.. nice
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More lies I see?
Who said I was just winding you up this time?
Sorry dear Sir, but that wouldn't be you making assumptions again would it?
Hmmm, I wonder where i've seen that before?!?
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I hope your girlfriend gets run over by a car. I can be a troll, too.
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So much for restorative justice lol
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I hope your girlfriend gets run over by a car on purpose, and the driver is put through restorative justice and is put back on the streets and becomes more successful than you.
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Shy, i've had worse things said to me by people I actually know, your pathetic attempts at trying to get me to react just won't work, take your schoolyard nonsense somewhere else.
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but i actually hope it happens
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I'll let you know if it does :)
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hopefully you won't let me know, cos i am hoping you kill yourself after it happens
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I'm so f@#!ing fed up reading these pointless stabs at each other.
You're all acting like kids.
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hopefully you won't let me know, cos i am hoping you kill yourself after it happens
Do you know you are discussing (or debating, or arguing) about a game?
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Seriously guys, take a little break. It's getting out of hand now. You shouldn't stab each other so hard that you wish your 'opponent' suffers in real life lol.
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Agree to free and Anubis, its just Annoying.
Not that much talk that would be helpfull.
btw, little story from wednesday at work.
There is a guy from french at some working hall and this guy always debates, even with the boss (me). I told him many times to stop talking about every shit but he didnt stop because he cant, its his personality. At Wednesday it came to following situation: He was provocating like every day but there was one iran guy, he didnt tolerate that behaviour from him. So it came into a fight!
The end of the story? Sure, the other guy shouldnt fight him, ofc. But every people were staying behind that iran guy and the annoying and provocate one got kicked. All are happy now and that french guy really deserved it.
Now everything is silence at working, everybody enjoying it, the new clima.
Feel free giving names for the french and the iran guy.
*end of story* :)
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Good Boss 8)
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Prank - Of course I know then, hence why I am keeping my calm.
And Kai, I hardly think so, there is a distinct difference between guessing things correctly with the other person getting annoyed about it, and telling someone you wish their (innocent) gf would die lol...
But hey, that's just me lol.
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Yeah, think so but the whole discussion went a little off topic. :D
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iam glad that i can shoot my slaves when they fight.
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Believe me, its harder for them to stay alive. :D
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Komo... Ur such a joke... And shy.. U may have went to far with the hope his gf dies thing.. Lol but it was kind funny... And komo... Ur such a joke
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avi, you KNOW I don't care in the slightest about anything you say, so why bother lol?
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"CLASSIC" LEAGUE
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If wormers represented playing cards.. I would be the ace.. Nino would be the king.. And u would be the joker. Hehehemonster
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And Kai, I hardly think so, there is a distinct difference between guessing things correctly with the other person getting annoyed about it, and telling someone you wish their (innocent) gf would die lol...
You didn't guess ANYTHING correctly, why the f@#! do you keep thinking you have? Because i am getting mad? It is because you kept doing your know-it-all shit 6 times and you won't acknowledge that. You think you are some genius psychologist or something... your ego is huge, komo.. you can't let anyone tell you something different to what you already believe is true... with that attitude i suggest you stop talking on the forums
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You DO like TTRR more than SSR don't you?
End of story.
And avi, you'd be the Queen cuz you're a lil bender
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no, it is not "end of story" you f@#!ing dick.
you "guessed" that i didn't like ssr twice, you "guessed" that I had a stubborn happiness, you "guessed" that i thought ttrr was more vital than ssr because I like it more, you "guessed" how I would act if ssr was already in the league, and then you did your "you know i am right" shit, which you still continue to do...
"You DO like TTRR more than SSR don't you?"
Yes, I do, but that statement doesn't fit anywhere from above... whether I like ttrr more than ssr has NOTHING to do with my reasoning behind the league validity of each scheme...
Just in case point out that "i thought ttrr was more vital than ssr because I like it more" has to do with your statement, I will explain to you again... No.. it doesn't... I don't base my reasons as to why i think some schemes are vital or not depending on whether I "like" them more than the other.. that is where you fail.. you won't believe anything BUT THAT. You know what? I like Kaos A LOT, but I don't ever plan to support it to coming to the league because I know it has too many luck variables... so there you go, komo... I am rejecting a scheme from the league that I like!!! I like the scheme but I reject it from the league!! omg!
MY REASONING.... <<< that is where you reject what you've been told and instead are 100% sure that what you think about my me is true.
You cannot defeat me here, komo... you have absolutely nothing on me ffs... stop dictating my thoughts and actions and everything will be ok
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Nice post dub.. I wonder if komo will understand it or not... Ill bet even those two little words u just said... Komo will try to debate with u on it... Lol i can imagine him saying `well dub, obviously you do not know the proper definition of classic` lolololol he is such a diva joker... Ok with that said... U guys can continue to argue.. Its funny to watch shy own u.. Hehehemonster
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Basically all I read was "Yes I do like TTRR more"
End of story.
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Saying I like ttrr more does not strengthen any of your arguments. you refusing to read my entire post means you openly admit defeat. thank you
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If you wanna think that go ahead lol, I don't care, but in reality, all it means is I think you talk nonsense and I won't even give you the time of day to even bother reading your posts as you babble on about the same crap everytime.
So thank you too :)
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Sore loser.
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LOL !
Man it really makes me laugh the way you dream on...
You've been SO angry the last few days, and i've been laughing my ass off.
I actually wish you could hear me laughing at you right now...
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Seems like you are still pissed you can never 1 up me. sore loser
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Never 1 up on you lol, if thats what you think then shutup and go continue living in fantasy lol.
You were so angry last night lol, seriously I was pissing myself reading your pathetic attempts at trying to get me to break, so if you weren't angry then you are literally insane, or on drugs :)
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Who cares if I got angry? it was just. you're a sore loser.
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Lol, obviously YOU care cuz you made such a fuss about it just because I made a CORRECT assumption about you.
Keep biting, I love it haha.
Wheres your bumchum avi anyway? Surprised he ain't here trying to impress you as usual haha.
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Just like you cared so much when you constantly got your ass handed to you about the justice thread. Yeah.. keep thinking you guessed correctly. sore loser.
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Again, you never handed nothing to no one, as it's my opinion lol, I re-defined and explained in great detail, and at the end of it all you could say was "you contradicted yourself" which was your ONLY arguement, that wasn't even true LOL
Anyway, you've openly admitted to me I was right about assuming you like TTRR more than SSR, so until next time you decide to spit the dummy, take care !
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Anyway, you've openly admitted to me I was right about assuming you like TTRR more than SSR, so until next time you decide to spit the dummy, take care !
Me liking ttrr more than ssr has nothing to do with anything... it is not my fault you are too retarded to realize that. I bet when you play connect the dots, you get an elephant when you were supposed to get a ball.
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You don't deserve to have eyes cuz you can't even use them properly...
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I really don't think you mean to be a troll, I just honestly believe you fall back on troll tenancies once you've realized you can't counter me anymore. sore loser
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Funny that, cuz you seem to be the only one here having anger issues, dealing out insults, moaning like a little kid, you can't read, you make bad assumptions, you take things too personally, you are very fragile, and thick as mince...
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Very sore loser. Keep the smites coming komo!
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Just to prove you wrong, i'll finally point out the things you read wrong, these are all in order from the very 1st post (on page 6) where I directly addressed you:
what exactly don't you like about SSR?
I didn't say you didn't like it, I said what don't you like about it? Learn to read...
Right now it just looks like you just don't like SSR as a scheme
Again, I didn't say you don't like it, I said it "looks" like you just don't like SSR as a scheme, learn to read...
Anyway, is there any particular reason why you really don't want SSR? Or is it just because you don't like it and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?
Again, I didn't say you don't like it, as this is a question not a statement, learn to read.
Oh so, you think TTRR is vital because you like it more, but SSR isn't?
We have already seen the outcome of this as you have actually admitted you like TTRR more than SSR, if you liked SSR more than TTRR you MIGHT think it was more vital, at least to YOUR own preference.
For the last time, learn to read before you make pathetic judgements and assumptions.
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Ur such a toolbox, diva princess, joker clown, muppet... Komo, u make me laugh.. Just asmit it already when ur wrong... And just admit it that ur f@#!ing idea sucked.. It no big deal.. Just admit it u will feel better afterward.. Ooo and stop trying to say u dont contradict urself... Do u know how mny different people have sed u do recently??? There is a reason for that u f@#!in idiot... Oh and btw.. Im onmy cell so i cant see my karma but ill bet me life on kt that u have smited me .. Even tho u say `u dont care, and cant be bothered` lol.. Cuz ur that much of a loseer :p
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Did some sad American kid say something? Oh yeah, who cares? lol...
Cmon Shy, hurry up, I wanna laugh at your next pathetic excuse...
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I love owning Komo. Here comes another batch
Just to prove you wrong, i'll finally point out the things you read wrong, these are all in order from the very 1st post (on page 6) where I directly addressed you:
what exactly don't you like about SSR?
I didn't say you didn't like it, I said what don't you like about it? Learn to read...
Maybe you should learn how to read. Look at my very next post after you asked that question:
ssr focuses on the ss, which doesn't encompass an essential worms weapon, just a cute one. You only see ss during sd of t17 and elite, and it is usually just a one time use... I don't see why people would want to add ssr to the classic league when it isn't totally vital to being a good wormer... just a cool weapon. same with bungee race, we never see the bungee usually, so why would we make an entire scheme for something we hardly have to use?
I answered your question "why don't you like ssr?". You weren't dictating my thoughts there, nor did I ever say you were. You asked me a question and I answered it. You didn't prove anything yet, sorry.
Right now it just looks like you just don't like SSR as a scheme
Again, I didn't say you don't like it, I said it "looks" like you just don't like SSR as a scheme, learn to read...
Once again, maybe YOU should learn how to read... If you would have read my reasons why I didn't want ssr in the league, it wouldn't have looked like I didn't like ssr as a scheme at all. I gave perfectly logical explanations as to why I didn't want it in the league, and you just come back with "it looks like you don't like it". f@#! you?
Anyway, is there any particular reason why you really don't want SSR? Or is it just because you don't like it and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?
Again, I didn't say you don't like it, as this is a question not a statement, learn to read.
This is where you really like stupid, komo.. you ask me if there are any particular reasons why I don't want ssr, and in every single post of mine thus far, I gave plenty of reasons why I didn't want it.. so why the f@#! do you keep asking me that question? And then you are so arrogant to say "is it just because you don't like it?" And honestly, I don't give a f@#! if you wrote it in question form. I told you plenty of reasons why I didnt want ssr, and for you to imply AGAIN that I didn't like ssr pisses me off because YOU JUST DON'T LISTEN.
You also "question" that I have a stubborn happiness, which I immediately proved otherwise when I said I advocated other schemes coming and going. You lose.
Oh so, you think TTRR is vital because you like it more, but SSR isn't?
We have already seen the outcome of this as you have actually admitted you like TTRR more than SSR, if you liked SSR more than TTRR you MIGHT think it was more vital, at least to YOUR own preference.
I like Kaos more than ttrr. I don't want Kaos to be in the classic league. Therefore, your argument is invalid, as it is not consistent with my actual beliefs. If I liked SSR more than TTRR, no, I would not think it was more vital. I am logical enough to see how ttrr has more importance than ssr, and I proved this throughout the debate. Also, once again, I like Kaos more than ttrr, and I dont want kaos to be in the league. Your argument fails. As usual. Once again you try to think you know how I would act if things were different.
For the last time, learn to read before you make pathetic judgements and assumptions.
I defeated every single one of your counter arguments just now. You need to learn how to read. You just can't beat me, Komo.. you are simply not smart enough.
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Straight away, you are talking crap, making excuses as usual, the point I am making is towards you saying I am trying to control your thoughts, nice try, but I never even bothered to read the rest after the 1st 2 because you obviously don't have a clue.
So yeah, learn to read lol.
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well acctually this debate is good, my english is getting better ;P
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I just realised how funny it is you just completely wasted your time on the wrong thing Shy - LOL at YOU !!!!!
What makes it even worse is you surely MUST know what I was talking about considering the fact EVERYONE of my quotes were about the same point - You getting all pissy saying I am telling you what you like and don't like.
OMG this is so funny...
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You really don't like getting hog bitch stomped do you?
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I'm closing this, you would go on forever.