Quote from: Korydex on December 29, 2016, 10:07 AMbng, elite, roper and t17 is what the real classic league should be.
BnG is already ruined by notching;
Roper, at least in a match between two players with similar skill, will likely be won by who had the least "crate rapes";
Team17 is way too vulnerable to the cheat that allows to see opponents' inventory;
Elite, can't say much about it because I hardly ever played it.
That'd be a nice league for sure! It may be classic but it won't be much enjoyable today.
Quote from: Sensei on December 29, 2016, 01:07 PMThat's why it would be cool to see stationary amount of pts, like 30/30 no matter win or lose.
how about 313/313?
Quote from: WTF-8 on December 29, 2016, 08:48 PM
BnG is already ruined by notching;
Roper, at least in a match between two players with similar skill, will likely be won by who had the least "crate rapes";
Team17 is way too vulnerable to the cheat that allows to see opponents' inventory;
Elite, can't say much about it because I hardly ever played it.
Disagree, BnG is "ruined" by rules, nobody notches with a2b rules, it's the PEOPLE who are in control, they should be able to make the conscious decision not to notch like a pussy.
Again, I disagree, what you said happens because people aren't smart enough to use good maps, period.
Totally disagree with this one, ofc some people cheat, but majority of people are honest and play fair, and even if there is a cheat that is undetectable, pretty much every scheme you can cheat, and people don't.
Elite is cool, I guess people can cheat, notch, whatever there as well, but as I said, all comes down to the rules and idiots we play against/let play.
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 30, 2016, 12:26 AM
Quote from: WTF-8 on December 29, 2016, 08:48 PM
BnG is already ruined by notching;
Roper, at least in a match between two players with similar skill, will likely be won by who had the least "crate rapes";
Team17 is way too vulnerable to the cheat that allows to see opponents' inventory;
Elite, can't say much about it because I hardly ever played it.
Disagree, BnG is "ruined" by rules, nobody notches with a2b rules, it's the PEOPLE who are in control, they should be able to make the conscious decision not to notch like a pussy.
Again, I disagree, what you said happens because people aren't smart enough to use good maps, period.
Totally disagree with this one, ofc some people cheat, but majority of people are honest and play fair, and even if there is a cheat that is undetectable, pretty much every scheme you can cheat, and people don't.
Elite is cool, I guess people can cheat, notch, whatever there as well, but as I said, all comes down to the rules and idiots we play against/let play.
WTF, you couldn't be more wrong about BnG, people always say "notchers" ruin bng; but I've yet to play a notcher in BnG that can consistently beat me, notching only works with 4 secs for the most part, a good map with good hides wil always reward tight nade play and not 4 sec notches. Anyways, for 80% of shots, a 3 sec with good power will outclass a 4 sec that is dead on.
Quote from: TheWalrus on December 30, 2016, 12:31 AMWTF, you couldn't be more wrong about BnG, people always say "notchers" ruin bng; but I've yet to play a notcher in BnG that can consistently beat me, notching only works with 4 secs for the most part, a good map with good hides wil always reward tight nade play and not 4 sec notches. Anyways, for 80% of shots, a 3 sec with good power will outclass a 4 sec that is dead on.
I know we aren't on the best of times, but please don't let that affect your judgement here.
You only REALLY got into BnG recently, you weren't around when people were actually good at notching, like barman, Random, Steps, Ramirez, darkz, Anubis, etc.
I know what I am talking about here, I hate to pull my experience at times like this because people just bitch about it, i've seen it all.
Trust me when I say this, if we openly accept notching, some people MAY go the full length that some of the above did, and trust me, you DO NOT want that.
Sorry forgot to add, notching is somewhat making a slow comeback for a while people who did it were hated, so they kind of avoided it, but now the rules accept it more people will do it.
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 30, 2016, 02:02 AM
I hate to pull my experience at times
Anyone else lold on this one?
Quote from: Sensei on December 30, 2016, 02:25 AM
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 30, 2016, 02:02 AM
I hate to pull my experience at times
Anyone else lold on this one?
That's exactly my point Sensei. It's pointless even saying anything on this site anymore all you guys wanna do is f**king argue and call each other names, you just don't have it in you to take advice from people more experienced.
For example, I watch YouTube tutorials from this guy who has INSANE talent, and although I find him very annoying and don't like him, I listen and take in everything he says, cuz he's way more experienced than me, and i'd be stupid not to...
I obviously know WAY more than walrus about BnG and notching, but i'm guessing because we had a big arguement, he probably won't listen to anything I say ever again, everything I say from now on, if it isn't concrete scientific fact, it's wrong(in his opinion), it's a shame...
Even you Sensei, we used to get along pretty well, then one day we had an arguement or something, now you stalk me talking sht almost every thread I post in even if I said nothing about you...
Guys like you, don't play the game, you play the person...
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 30, 2016, 02:57 AM
Guys like you, don't play the game, you play the person...
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I like you komo, tbh. But you're cheesy. Feels like reading box of cereals sometimds.
Quote from: Sensei on December 30, 2016, 04:05 AM
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 30, 2016, 02:57 AM
Guys like you, don't play the game, you play the person...
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I like you komo, tbh. But you're cheesy. Feels like reading box of cereals sometimds.
komo
as much as you can feel tempted to reply to this post
don't
just don't do it
Statistics tell that Komos opinion on notching changes about every 5 years.
Formula: years of WA existence / amount of times Komo changed his mind and expressed his feelings on forums
Any topic switching from Godmax Rape Ape bullshit to something beautiful like BnG, got an upgrade in terms of post quality, relevance and entertainment. If we could to that to shoutbox as well, tus would become a better place.
BNG is the worst shit ever! I would never play that shit. Neither would uncle Supertobias. Komodo we gotta play the damn organic hysteria stuff soon! How about today!
I can handle notching I know what to expect and how to play according, but rollers ..... that's the real shit , ok some hides require a roller but 100% rollers all the time , that shits annoying.
I recall hosting a WO tournament of BnG where people had to alter their shots after every successful hit. Forced people to come out of cheap spots and made notching harder since you'd have to hit with 2 completely different shots before you could use it again.
Most fun I had in BnG for a long time (or after)
Quote from: DarkOne on December 30, 2016, 12:46 PM
I recall hosting a WO tournament of BnG where people had to alter their shots after every successful hit. Forced people to come out of cheap spots and made notching harder since you'd have to hit with 2 completely different shots before you could use it again.
Most fun I had in BnG for a long time (or after)
https://www.tus-wa.com/tournaments/tournament-907/
Quote from: xSniperx on December 30, 2016, 12:55 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on December 30, 2016, 12:46 PM
I recall hosting a WO tournament of BnG where people had to alter their shots after every successful hit. Forced people to come out of cheap spots and made notching harder since you'd have to hit with 2 completely different shots before you could use it again.
Most fun I had in BnG for a long time (or after)
https://www.tus-wa.com/tournaments/tournament-907/
Yeah, D1 talks about a2b :)
I doubt it would ever work as a classic league thing, btw, it should be rather NRBnG, imo.
BTW, Sniper, what sort of Christmas eve is on 14th January?
No, he's not, he's never played a2b :) but it's cool that that way of playing is still kept alive
Quote from: DarkOne on December 30, 2016, 02:14 PM
No, he's not, he's never played a2b :) but it's cool that that way of playing is still kept alive
I know, but it's basically that :)
It's not very alive right now, though, except for that tourney :(
Let us be bold and change the classic league scheme to the a2b one. i think most people who pick bng in todays classic league would support it anyway. since it is basically a small group of people this should work out well, because all the others dont pick BnG.
If it does not get changed, theres still the option to play it upon agreement to show its the better scheme.
You want to take away rollers from lamers?! :o
This is heavy...
bng will always have those who throw 3 sec angle nades with 4 sec fuse, but then there are several who put the effort to make perfect throws that explode in same frame as the nade hits the worm, it's art, art has no place in competitive league, remove bng from classic
Quote from: xSniperx on December 30, 2016, 12:17 PM
I can handle notching I know what to expect and how to play according, but rollers ..... that's the real shit , ok some hides require a roller but 100% rollers all the time , that shits annoying.
as komo said to Walrus... you would not be saying this, if you were playing bng vs. real notchers... (not the current "notchers" who know a couple of 4sec full power angles)
and as far as DarkOne's idea of changing shots after each successful hit... its a good idea, but would not eliminate notching for those who really know how to notch... for example, barman could notch about 3 different types of nades from any position, and could notch almost any wind zook (even reversal zooks)
but, as komo said... there is no real notchers that are active these days...
i have heard it suggested so many times about NRBNG... even the god of bng himself, has suggested NRBNG... i too would like to see the scheme changed to no rules... it will eliminate bitching, complaining, lame calling, and name calling ;D
sitters would not really be an issue, unless your dumb enough to sit at the bottom of a hole.
NRBNG would just eliminate all complaints, and tbh it might actually make the scheme fun/funny, it also might make the scheme quicker, and hopefully even more enjoyable for people... even telecide should be allowed... as komo said the other day in an unrelated topic... bng is the only scheme you can not draw in, seems like a flaw!! you should be able to draw if you want.. imo its a strategy.. if you get low enough in health to allow your opponent to telecide on you, you deserve the draw, rather than the win.... but i would imagine 9 out of 10 games each person would attempt the shot, rather than the telecide... but i rly think draw should be an option in bng.
why cant we just try NRBNG for a season, see how it works out.
sorry such a long post... deal with it.
How the f@#! this thread got to the point where ppl suggest allowing telecid in BnG? Lower down your drug usage.
This subject supposed to bring BnGers together and make it mandatory to use a2b rules in TUS league games.
Yeah, it is that simple. Those rules are almost without flaw, and only ppl who are against it are lamers beyond repair.
NRBNG was suggested by all most all b2b guys... do you know whats NRBNG stands for???
no rules...
do you know what no rules means???
you can telecide... you dumb shit.
what exactly is wrong with telecide?? if your good, you dont have to worry about it, because you should not have your hp below 25 to begin with.... and hell, if you suck, you dont have to worry about it either, because no one is going to telecide, when they can just kill your ass.... so, i think your safe either way sensei ;D
anyway, all schemes have option to draw, if you think draw is a better option then attempt kill... so why shouldn't bng have that option?? its just common sense...
i hate when people enter threads with decent discussion, and honest debate about issues.. and just say shit like "wtf?? no f@#!ing way, your on drugs... stfu it should be this cuz i said so" like you so often do sensei... you follow around every thread posting nothing but BS lately... its very entertaining.
Yeah, no rules bng... cool. That's the way to solve all scheme problems! We should listen advice of community that doesn't have 2 active members last 5 years.
Thank god you're so smart, it's enough to take a look at my signature. ;)
What's the problem with a2b rules?
It attacks the 2 main flaws/problems with the actual rules: notching and lame grenades.
Quote from: avirex on December 31, 2016, 04:53 PM
you can telecide... you dumb shit.
Quote from: Sensei on December 31, 2016, 05:00 PM
Thank god you're so smart
This topic isn't about you, it's about BnG. Come on.
completely agree gab... this guy cant resist trolling anyone, in any thread though...
Gabriel, tbh, i dont even know what the a2b scheme is all about... i never said there was anything wrong with it... maybe its a good scheme... but whatever the scheme is, i can only imagine there will still be a way to make lame shots.
the problem with bng, is there is no way to truly define the rules, with out being able to find some kind of loop hole... for instance.. "no sitters" but you can still throw "lame" rollers...
imo: as long as there are any rules, there will be ways to play cheap... and each persons idea of what is cheap, is different... so that's what causes all the drama in bng games generally...
thats why i think NRBNG would be a good alternative, if there is no rules, there is nothing to complain about, just play for the win, play to kill, by any means necessary.
i think its worth giving each scheme a try for 1 season, and then decide what scheme should stay.... (current scheme, NRBNG scheme, or a2b scheme)
Quote from: avirex on December 31, 2016, 04:31 PM
i have heard it suggested so many times about NRBNG... even the god of bng himself, has suggested NRBNG... i too would like to see the scheme changed to no rules... it will eliminate bitching, complaining, lame calling, and name calling ;D
sitters would not really be an issue, unless your dumb enough to sit at the bottom of a hole.
NRBNG would just eliminate all complaints, and tbh it might actually make the scheme fun/funny, it also might make the scheme quicker, and hopefully even more enjoyable for people... even telecide should be allowed... as komo said the other day in an unrelated topic... bng is the only scheme you can not draw in, seems like a flaw!! you should be able to draw if you want.. imo its a strategy.. if you get low enough in health to allow your opponent to telecide on you, you deserve the draw, rather than the win.... but i would imagine 9 out of 10 games each person would attempt the shot, rather than the telecide... but i rly think draw should be an option in bng.
why cant we just try NRBNG for a season, see how it works out.
Yeah, I used to support NRBnG, until I've actually played a few. It's so awful, better just remove BnG from classic league.
I think the exact opposite now, avi.
There's less room for calling names when you have rules. In a scheme like BnG, no rules is the breeding ground for name calling, because that's the only thing you have to "rationalize" your anger about losing. It happens even when there are rules.
Also, BnG doesn't really make sense without rules. There isn't much tactic involved and there's significantly less skill in throwing rollers/sitters/max power shots, than otherwise.
BnG is about grenade and bazooka skills. Yeah, that doesn't mean rules are necessary, but well thought-out rules actually make it more fun.
Something similar to a2b (probably simplified), and maybe add circular aim and that other thing that prevents self-release at max power.
Telecide in BnG is just dumb, in my opinion, I don't see why would it be better to have an option for draws.
Quote from: avirex on December 31, 2016, 05:22 PM
completely agree gab... this guy cant resist trolling anyone, in any thread though...
You illiterate self-observed Justin Bieber wannabe, I'm not trolling anyone. You suggested BnG with no rules and called me a dumb f@#! when I mentioned a2b rules should be mandatory.
That speaks enough of your knowledge for certain scheme. Or your knowledge of anything at all.
Hf in last hours of 2016. ppl, take care!
when you say "i used to support NRBNG" did you mean... yesterday?? because thats when you posted in this thread " btw, it should be rather NRBnG, imo." lol
TBH, i have not played NRBNG since w2.. i just know in w2, there was not all the drama as there is in todays bng...
almost every game you have people pissed off, or calling someone else lame.... and as i said, each persons definition of lame is different.
i dont think bng should be removed from classic (even thought i would not mind if it was lol) i think that might be a bit dramatic.
i just think something should be done.
as far as telecide goes: i only mentioned it, because it would be involved in NRBNG... no rule, means no rules... including telecide... unless of course everyone decided to make that the only exception..... but the reason i brought it up, is because if people decided to try NRBNG, that should be discussed... if telecide is allowed, or thats the exception to "no rules"
imo, i would not mind the telecide, as i said.... if your playing someone with lesser skill, that would even bother to telecide, rather then just go for the kill... you should have no reason to be that low in health that telecide will even work.... and if you are that low in health, you dont deserve the win ;p thats my thoughts anyway.
but i can understand how others would not like that (and i dont care either way)
anyway... i dunno why we even discuss schemes anymore at TUS. nothing ever changes... there has been countless threads about changing BNG scheme, Hysteria scheme, and T17 scheme... yet nothing ever changes... except for the random change of how many worms will be used in ttrr from time to time lol.
so f@#! it.
Quote from: Sensei on December 31, 2016, 05:29 PM
Quote from: avirex on December 31, 2016, 05:22 PM
completely agree gab... this guy cant resist trolling anyone, in any thread though...
You illiterate self-observed Justin Bieber wannabe, I'm not trolling anyone. You suggested BnG with no rules and called me a dumb f@#! when I mentioned a2b rules should be mandatory.
That speaks enough of your knowledge for certain scheme. Or your knowledge of anything at all.
Hf in last hours of 2016. ppl, take care!
ooooo, good one... a justin beieber joke!!! *dances like justin*
i never called you a dumb f@#! for suggesting a2b rules.... can you really compare my "knowledge for certain scheme" vs. your own?? i been playing this game probably longer then you have been alive... considering you act like your about 16 years old.
anyway.. just drop it man.. if you wanna discuss bng, lets discuss it... if just wanna troll, and practice your lame insults (justin beiber) then PM me, i would be happy to trade off insults with you there.
Quote from: avirex on December 31, 2016, 05:35 PM
when you say "i used to support NRBNG" did you mean... yesterday?? because thats when you posted in this thread " btw, it should be rather NRBnG, imo." lol
Well, yeah, lol, you're right. I didn't think that through yesterday, and I've watched some of my old games since then. Some made mea little vexed even after years. So yeah, I've just changed my mind, but I still did :D
I understand why you mentioned telecide, and, of course, it is an option in NRBnG, I just think it's stupid in general. One more thing against NRBnG from my point of view.
Also, yeah, probably nothing's gonna change anyway :)
I never learned how to notch but I don't understand why people complain about it. To me it seems only natural to use such a technique in a scheme like BnG. I've noticed that BnG is one of those schemes in which people love to complain a lot. People complain if a nade sits for like 0.001 seconds. People complain about notching. People complain about rollers. People complain about using 5 second nades without LG. I say f@#! all of that. As long as you aren't doing a straight, full power zook or tossing sitters, anything goes. That's just my 2 cents.
so true...
i am honestly not sure i have ever been in a bng game, where at least one person does not say "lame" "cheat" or some other bs complaint.
its pretty annoying.. i used to try and play bng by w:a's so called "bng code of honor" but then people generally dont give the same respect... but then i realized... why should they? the game is meant to be played for the win, as long as you do not break any of the rules... play to win! by any means necessary period.
Exactly. If someone has learned how to notch with a reasonable degree of accuracy, why should they not be allowed to do it, or have to listen to complaints? It's a skill. I quite enjoy BnG as a scheme but I don't take it super seriously. I've never been one of those guys who can pull off crazy 5 sec lg shots that bounce off of a pixel of land somewhere and explode perfectly on someone's face. I've always been happy enough doing *any* damage, and never really saw the point of doing anything fancy if I could more reliably do damage otherwise. Then again, that's just the kind of player I am. I don't see the need for doing unnecessary tricks in rope-based games either, which is probably why I've always thought that warmers are boring. I play to win; I don't play to show off.
Skunk, just wondering, if you accept that BnG should be played for the win, why do you complain so much about people not respecting ABL in Worms WMD? In my experience those 'gentleman' rules are only followed when playing with friends, and usually it makes the game more boring and take longer. I do agree that the only logical thing for BnG is to get rid of all the rules requiring style, honor, variation, etc.
The problem with notching is that people have aides. There is a massive aides epidemic in the BnG'ing community. They just hold their guide up to the screen, count the required number of arrow taps, and hold the space bar full power. I don't think it requires much skill to win unless you're up against another expert notcher.
Do you hire someone to tie your shoelaces in the morning too? Or hold your hand while you cross the road.
Good for you :)
Quote from: TheKomodo on March 04, 2017, 11:40 AM
Do you hire someone to tie your shoelaces in the morning too? Or hold your hand while you cross the road.
Good for you :)
Lol, I wasn't talking about that kind of aides. Maybe I am thinking about aids. Not positive which term is correct tbh.
Sorry j0e, wasn't directed at you, should have stated that.
Quote from: j0e on March 04, 2017, 08:40 PM
Quote from: TheKomodo on March 04, 2017, 11:40 AM
Do you hire someone to tie your shoelaces in the morning too? Or hold your hand while you cross the road.
Good for you :)
Lol, I wasn't talking about that kind of aides. Maybe I am thinking about aids. Not positive which term is correct tbh.
Quote from: j0e on March 04, 2017, 08:40 PM
Quote from: TheKomodo on March 04, 2017, 11:40 AM
Do you hire someone to tie your shoelaces in the morning too? Or hold your hand while you cross the road.
Good for you :)
Lol, I wasn't talking about that kind of aides. Maybe I am thinking about aids. Not positive which term is correct tbh.
FUUUUUUU
I forgot j0e told me to tell hi to komo from his part
Just remembered... was like 2 weeks ago
Quote from: j0e on March 04, 2017, 08:40 PM
Quote from: TheKomodo on March 04, 2017, 11:40 AM
Do you hire someone to tie your shoelaces in the morning too? Or hold your hand while you cross the road.
Good for you :)
Lol, I wasn't talking about that kind of aides. Maybe I am thinking about aids. Not positive which term is correct tbh.
I thought all of us had our own worms caddie, was it just me? I guess I'll have to let Winston go then. Back to the wild, you rapscallion.
I haven't seen anyone actually say they're using such things, but it probably wouldn't be that hard to do, sadly.
Notchers are cancer of BnG. Well, they've ruined it for me at least.
is it really that bad tho j0e... i don't know any1 who does what u described... am i just too naive?
i thought bng is cool atm.. there havn't been many complaints recently? i could be wrong
I don't know tbh. Isn't that how notching is done? People don't just memorize the distances. Never used them but I have a couple of said aids on my old computer.
I just memorize the distances Joe. What you're describing is notching + cheating, since visual aids are banned. 4 sec full powers for example, you practice pointing to the spot you're aiming for until you have a good idea where each notch lands.
We're not the cancer Sensei, it's just using a game mechanic (one that non-notchers constantly use as well) and playing the scheme optimally, within the rules. Nobody should be faulted for doing that when the goal is to play to win.