Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: skunk3 on September 21, 2017, 05:55 AM
Title: active?
Post by: skunk3 on September 21, 2017, 05:55 AM
Who even still plays anymore?
Since I came back W:A is dead 95% of the time. I've seen a couple of people but it's mostly just random noobs. Where is everyone?
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Rogi on September 21, 2017, 06:17 AM
Im not even surprised, but it's sad.
Did u repeir ur connection?
BTW, dont forgot that WN2 lags as hell, also HostingBuddy too, not so much players can host via direct ip, so most of them annoyed and not shows at AG
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Kradie on September 21, 2017, 10:58 AM
Worms Armageddon is dead? Where is everyone? There's only random noobs? Well Mr Skunk, these random noobs are what makes WA active. A game is not ''dead'' just because YOU can't associate yourself with newer players. Then again, a lot of these noobs are rendered useless to communicate in English or anything at all.
Explore new opportunities, instead of limiting your horizon, Mr Skunk.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: lalo on September 21, 2017, 11:44 AM
Those random noobs are casual players, they come and go and don't last much in this game playing Super Sheeper, Hyst and Shopper. They have little to no impact in this game and community.
Face the reality, Mr Smart Ass.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Senator on September 21, 2017, 12:10 PM
Hyst is no longer in fashion on wormnet :P Wormnet activity dropped partly because of hostingbuddy lags.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Kradie on September 21, 2017, 12:15 PM
Those random noobs are casual players, they come and go and don't last much in this game playing Super Sheeper, Hyst and Shopper. They have little to no impact in this game and community.
Face the reality, Mr Smart Ass.
Mr Lalo, it is true what you just wrote, people come, and people go, this is the essence of life. I like to think that we were all casual players at some points. But the more time we invest in the game, the more committed we become. People can be devoted to this game, is it that hard to believe beginners of today might share a common interest?
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Sensei on September 21, 2017, 12:18 PM
Hosting buddy doesn't lagg. It lagged for few days month ago. Are you guys even hosting any games or just speaking randomly? :)
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Senator on September 21, 2017, 12:26 PM
Those random noobs are casual players, they come and go and don't last much in this game playing Super Sheeper, Hyst and Shopper. They have little to no impact in this game and community.
Face the reality, Mr Smart Ass.
Mr Lalo, it is true what you just wrote, people come, and people go, this is the essence of life. I like to think that we were all casual players at some points. But the more time we invest in the game, the more committed we become. People can be devoted to this game, is it that hard to believe beginners of today might share a common interest?
I was devoted to this game right from the beginning. The moment I saw the online part of W:A, was the moment I knew I was gonna spent years on this because of the amazing possibilities. Gamers have changed, you see it everywhere. They buy/play a game and want to finish it and be rewarded instantly. W:A is the complete opposite of that. It takes months and some schemes even years to get good at. If you think CS or LoL or Dota2 are skillful games then you are right, but to become great (all schemes) in W:A you could become great at all 3 games in that time. Most of the hardcore W:A guys that became great all-rounders spent easily 6-7 years of their life to get to that point. I have seen CS:GO players at the age of 16 that only played ~2 years and were top notch players. There was not a single W:A player that was top notch in every scheme after 2 years.
Also, you BECOME casual not mature out of it. The older you get, the less likely it will be that you are hardcore. So if a teenager or young adult is already a casual it's very likely he/she is never gonna go hardcore. I was hardcore throughout my entire life, with gaming being #1 priority for the most part. I still consider myself heavily invested in gaming, but not to the same extent as I used to be. I would have never played f@#!ing children card games when I was 16 or 18. Now I do, they are chill and let me relax a little bit in-between games that require 100% attention.
Btw, I don't mind casuals or less hardcore players, it doesn't matter if you enjoy the game. It's just a different attitude towards gaming, mostly if you have a competitive vein for gaming. If you don't chances are you are not that hardcore.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Sensei on September 21, 2017, 01:07 PM
Until the maintenance is over (and maybe some more time, depends), it [HostingBuddy] will be running on my home PC instead
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Senator on September 21, 2017, 03:38 PM
The lag issue with hostingbuddy was reported in that thread on 15th July and CyberShadow started running hostingbuddy on his PC on 6th August. So yeah, there was weeks of lagging ;D
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 21, 2017, 06:39 PM
So, why does Wormnat2 lag and HB doesn't if they are the same server? What's the difference? And i've still saw a few lags here and there with HB, definitely not as bad as before the server change.
This game isn't dead, it's just more casual like Anubis says, and Hysteria is the only thing I can seem to get any interest in.
It's no surprise really, the way the regulars and oldschool players rejected and treated the noobs the entire time.
The whole Hysteria reputation from oldschool players, I believe, has played it's part in this, guys who not only said they didn't like Hysteria, but went out their way to insult and argue with people who enjoy and support it, this is the exact same behaviour I see from bigots and homophobes all over the world, you will never admit it, but that's what you are.
OFFTOPIC***For example, I have no problem with people who are homosexual, but if I see it physically it makes me feel sick inside(just like a normal person probably would if they saw 2 really fat ugly people having sex, it's something they find unattractive and disgusting), this may or may not have something to do with being abused when I was a child, who knows, but I can sit down and talk, trust and have a laugh with any gender or whatever, i'll say shit in my own head and keep it to myself cuz I know it doesn't really affect my life in any way, and they are just doing what makes them feel good, no harm done.***OFFTOPIC
Without a strong League being the backbone of the entire WA community, people don't have options to stay and become part of something, so they just f**k around now and again.
Sure, for a while this was the best League ever, but because of tolerating all the insulting and mental breakdowns(mine included), NOBODY looking in from the outside wants to come in and be part of it.
Or being called a p**sy because they don't want to play every scheme in a League.(Is this really how you make friends outside of WA?)
It's finally happened where the fun experienced from playing this game does not exceed the amount of grief and hassle you get from the other players online, things like the servers messing up with lags doesn't help, people are fed up waiting for a 4.0 that their children may not even live to see...
Let's be honest, guys like Godmax and Mega`Adnan, taner etc, are ruining this too, if you are used to that behavior for some years now like we are, it's easy to ignore, but imagine what it looks like, to people on the outside, to come to this website and read stuff like.
"YOU GOT RAPED HARD" "AH RAPE THIS DOG HARD" "f@#! IN THE ASS" "I WILL f@#! YOU HARD"
The above represents like 75% of their vocabulary while they appear online...
Imagine how this looks to people who aren't complete weirdos? To normal people this website looks f**king insane, full of weirdos and sad, desperate people...
THAT is how people look at us sometimes... I've even had a few PM's over the last 5 years from random people saying stuff like "This game is for losers" "You are all a bunch of sick f**ks" and similar stuff...
Yeah, this is another long brick wall of a post, but if you have ANY decency as a human, and any love for this game/community, you will maybe change your attitude and behavior and maybe try to represent TUS and the WA community in a more respectable and interesting way???
This game is dying, and WE are to blame, not DC or CS or Team17, it's US.
Edit - I am one of the worst(used to be at least), for stamping my opinion everywhere and saying if something isn't the way I like it, it's stupid... I'm very sorry for that, i've learned a lot over the past 10 years and believe i'm a better person now, so you don't see this as much from me, perhaps not even at all, at least how it was arguing on forums 5 years ago with avirex etc.
I am trying to make up for that, and do something entertaining for the community, trying to organize events, trying to get people together to have fun and bond, who knows some might even find life-lasting friendships because of the Tournaments n stuff I organize...
I found life-long friendships through this game, thanks to the websites and leagues offered, I have to return the favour or personally don't feel like I deserve to be alive, and plus, it feels fkn AWESOME to have people get in contact with you private and tell you how much they enjoy your Tournaments and streams, how much fun they had, THAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING!!!
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Sensei on September 21, 2017, 07:08 PM
This game is dying, and WE are to blame, not DC or CS or Team17, it's US.
Knew it. Goddamn 'murica. They're taking over..
Jokes aside.. Komo, have you ever saw any other game community out there? We're chamomile tea compared to any of those. No need for drama cause 2-3 trollers keeping chat alive (with their unusual and weird ways tho) If there was no Godmax, no one would even remember to write in shoutbox. Relax ;)
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Mega`Adnan on September 21, 2017, 07:18 PM
Let's be honest, guys like Godmax and Mega`Adnan, taner etc, are ruining this too, if you are used to that behavior for some years now like we are, it's easy to ignore, but imagine what it looks like, to people on the outside, to come to this website and read stuff like.....
People on the outside aren't 100% angels either, they also have trollish minds too, and they also express their feeling with words like "1 VS 1 ME NOOB", "HAHA YOU DISGUSTING NOOB", "I REKT YOU" etc. Just saying.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 21, 2017, 08:07 PM
I am not causing drama, I am saying what most mature people are thinking, and it's also the reason some of my friends don't play this anymore.
I know, these guys are just having some simple minded toilet fun conversation with each other, and that's fine, sometimes I do that too.
But it's 24/7 with these guys, I never see any important, or intellectual conversation or even good ideas to help or improve community, from any these guys...
They come in, probably didn't even buy WA probably pirated it lol, and just use these words everyday, they must feel dejavu like everyday lol.
The point is, I know these guys are just having fun between themselves, but stop thinking about yourself for a moment, picture yourself some teenager from another country, who found this cool game, not everyone was brought up working class like me or poverty etc and enjoys to swear and insult.
Think about this, more and more people are disappearing, the more and more we see this kinda behavior, maybe in 1-2 years the only people left in this community, are those who speak that way?
Do you really want to be part of a community where all that happens is toilet humour, senseless rape commentary, where the players don't contribute anything useful to the community? Is that what you want?
When they talk like this, in their own games, that's fine, each to their own, but they bring their filth onto this website every damn day! We need to stop this nonsense before it drives EVERYONE away...
Stop using other games and communities as an excuse please, other games have more than 100 active players lol, they can afford it cuz they will have dedicated websites full of mature people who are serious about competing etc.
Why am I even explaining this, why aren't you guys mature enough to notice this yourself?
You could all stand in a circle and beat the sht out of me, but it still wouldn't feel as bad as witnessing the slow destruction of something i've spent more than half my life being a part of cuz of the millenial generation and it's pathetic fads...
I am seriously going to try and start a petition, to get some rules initiated on TUS to stop this kind of sad, immature and selfish behavior.
EDIT - And just to make it clear, I don't dislike these guys, I still consider them good players and some of them friends, just don't like the excessive pointless swearing...
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Hurz on September 21, 2017, 08:25 PM
So, why does Wormnat2 lag and HB doesn't if they are the same server? What's the difference? And i've still saw a few lags here and there with HB, definitely not as bad as before the server change.
Until the maintenance is over (and maybe some more time, depends), it [HostingBuddy] will be running on my home PC instead
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 21, 2017, 08:44 PM
Ah, right, makes sense now, thanks Hurz.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Sensei on September 21, 2017, 09:58 PM
Sure. I also dislike adnan's fap spammin (what the f@#! is with that man, go get a girl or something), godmax's bullshit, taner's provocations.. But let's make this short, Komo:
HOW MUCH ppl you kicked from game in last.. let's say - year.. without even giving them reason or trying to explain how things work around here? Let's be honest - dozens! Not just you.. Me too! And 99% of active community members also.
Being unable to join a game and actually try it is what makes newcomers leave, not godmax's brain meltings. Friendly approach to newbies is one thing we all need to work on. Or atleast give them some bots for introduction!?
Don't think I'm able to change mind about it, so would like to avoid further discussion on this matter.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 21, 2017, 10:29 PM
I kick players when they join and light up without even saying hello, i'll sit and try to explain what the game is, even if they can't play they can watch and if they like it will teach them.
Definitely try harder than most I think...
Only kick players without notice only when i'm in a rush or the game says Clanner or League etc, or they don't reply.
But, this issue has been around since day 1 it's not the problem, I think the problem is the slowly fading collective community and their behaviour :/
Surely we are adult enough, to keep the trash talk, the toilet humour, to private forums or at least online in games amongst fellow minded people?
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Hurz on September 21, 2017, 10:34 PM
spread the word (http://worms2d.info/Etiquette)
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Anubis on September 21, 2017, 11:32 PM
Here is my take on it why, in my opinion, W:A has surpassed a crucial point.
Any online game that lives off multiplayer and community needs active players. Or it will die, so far so simple. In the past years W:A has lost lots of "consistent" players. Players that are playing no matter what, a look on the league standings says all. Basically you have 2 active clans and roundabout ~25 active players, split in various sub leagues. While you can't just simply say oh we only have 25 active players it's a blatant indication as to what is happening online. The classic competitive foundation of W:A is dwindling rapidly. These players are missing to keep the league alive but more importantly, keep the game alive as well. While active league players sometimes don't participate in fun games, it would be ignorant to say league players don't play for fun.
That means currently, there are not enough consistent players playing the game online. When a new player is coming online and needs to wait too long to find a game to play he will, after a while, not come back. The current consistent player base is, in my humble opinion, not enough to offer games at a reasonable time. On top of that it seems HostingBuddy was/is not working currently which further makes it harder for newbies to find and play games. Many new players, without proper set-up can't host their own games to play and rely on others. It's vicious cycle that gets worse and worse the less active W:A becomes.
To put it bluntly, in my opinion W:A has a reached a point of no return no matter what we do. We have not enough manpower to entertain newcomers anymore. It's bleeding out and we can't put bandages on the wound fast enough. Nobody is at fault, it's the natural evolution of niche online games. Well, not kicking newbies might help but in the end I feel like it's over.
I follow W:A, probably until the end even when I don't play actively myself I still watch the journey. I check league activity every season and I witness the slow decay of activity myself. Logging into WormNet at random times when I feel like it just solidifies my assumption further. If you disagree with this, fine, but this was my observation from WWP as well. It started exactly like this, it is nothing that happens overnight. Unless there is another major league I am not aware of that is even bigger than TUS I'd say, yup, W:A is dying. And this time there is not a 2nd Worms to keep the legacy alive. :(
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 22, 2017, 12:15 AM
Spot on Anubis.
I've seen a few people on these forums saying they don't play or visit anymore cuz the forums are just garbage now, and that garbage mostly comes from stupid trolling pointless swearing posts from the "RAPE HARD" guys...
It's got to the point where I could say whatever, insult whoever, and nobody would give a f**k :( or at least the people who would care are ridiculously outnumbered by the others...
I don't think we are past the point of no return yet, the reason is simple, there are still over 200+ unique nicks joining WNET every day, until it really is just us regular joes, we still have a chance.
We need to make some kind of League/Event that can bring EVERYONE together, we need a common bound...
Edit - How do you actually check how many unique people join WNET again? Wanna see if it is still 200+ per day...
Title: Re: active?
Post by: KinslayeR on September 22, 2017, 01:07 AM
busy
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Hurz on September 22, 2017, 01:15 AM
We need to make some kind of League/Event that can bring EVERYONE together, we need a common bound...
wo always boosted activity on wn a bit :(
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 22, 2017, 01:21 AM
Was actually thinking that Hurz, it did, but we need something permanent.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: j0e on September 22, 2017, 02:33 AM
I don't think WA is past a point of no return yet. There are a lot of good players who play under unrecognizable aliases. The new 3.8 patch will help improve activity too.
I think it would help for some of the big top clans to split up into smaller clans. If the only clanner I can ever find, as a medium-skilled player, is against dt, that is going to demotivate me super fast. The counter-argument is that small clans will never have enough players who happen to be online at the same time. But there has to be a way around that. Maybe make it so all members must remain active to maintain their membership in the clan, and all clans have a minimum and max size - minimum 4 max 6 or something.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 22, 2017, 02:59 AM
By the way, when I said regular joes, I didn't mean... :D
But, the bigger clans, don't even have many active players to split anyway lol, they are mostly inactive, dt only has dibs and aladdin atm really...
cfc have about 4-5, but I don't think that's too many... We just, lack players... And yeah it's cuz the skill difference is so high, why they wanna come on and get completely annihilated for 2-3 years before even having a chance lol.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Korydex on September 22, 2017, 06:10 AM
Edit - How do you actually check how many unique people join WNET again? Wanna see if it is still 200+ per day...
You could check that @ http://stats.worms2d.info/ It stopped working in early 2015. But here's the latest available joins stats that I could wayback: [attachment=1]
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Kradie on September 22, 2017, 11:24 AM
Worms Armageddon isn't dying, but the league might be fading into oblivion? Most of you associate WA with past active and recognizable players. It is what j0e said ''There are a lot of good players who play under unrecognizable aliases.'' Therefore some of you might think of them as irrelevant because they aren't affiliated with TuS and have a high status. And perhaps that not everyone are into competitive games like some of you are. In the end it is about character.
It is true that WA can be a hardcore game, depending on the ambition of the individual. The threshold is tougher to overcome in WA compared to other games. This alone ''can'' discourage people from playing, particularly competitive. There are people who enjoys shopper, hysteria, and Full Wormage, there's nothing wrong with this, and it doesn't make the game dead. I have had people in my host, I have guided them, showed them how some of the things are done, and they have shown remarkable interest and gratitude.
So no, Worms isn't dying, it is just you that are in a unfamiliar place, a place that doesn't feel like home anymore. I don't think a lot of old school people are willing to make new friends with today's people. So it is pretty much a grouped community that lingers in melancholy.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Sensei on September 22, 2017, 12:02 PM
But, this issue has been around since day 1 it's not the problem, I think the problem is the slowly fading collective community and their behaviour :/
There's always someone to do all those random insults; this has also been around since day one. How much basis you have to say this has a much stronger effect on activity than reasonless kicks? (btw these kicks perfectly fit as bad behaviour)
I don't think we are past the point of no return yet, the reason is simple, there are still over 200+ unique nicks joining WNET every day, until it really is just us regular joes, we still have a chance.
Yeah, how about actually helping newbies by answering their usual "how to host"-tier stuff? It takes next to zero effort and brain usage, and yet it helps.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: TheKomodo on September 22, 2017, 05:37 PM
WTF-8
Nobody can expect anyone to sit and type out rules and how to play to every single person, especially if you and the other person speak different languages, I don't get offended when people kick me from games.
Yes, I do kick people from time to time, but most of the time i'll say something like:
"Sorry, this is League match, you can watch but can't play"
Or i'll ask if they know the scheme/rules, and will explain it to them if they are interested to listen.
If someone completely ignores me, or just joins and immediately lights up without even saying "Hello" or checking scheme settings/worms etc, i'll kick them because I find that rude.
To me, that's fair and friendly.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Ryan on September 22, 2017, 08:10 PM
This game was released over 18 years ago. Why debate the inactivity?
We are having a good run and should embrace the community we have.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: daiNa on September 22, 2017, 08:40 PM
Reopen tel with prizes
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Ryan on September 22, 2017, 08:43 PM
Agreed.
Money has helped the competition and activity.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Rabbzz on September 22, 2017, 11:21 PM
This game was released over 18 years ago. Why debate the inactivity?
We are having a good run and should embrace the community we have.
Spot on
Title: Re: active?
Post by: Pixy on September 23, 2017, 12:09 AM
Don't worry I'll save it.
Title: Re: active?
Post by: skunk3 on September 23, 2017, 05:31 AM
IMO, W:A has been 'dying' for several years now. I doubt it will ever truly die off, but there certainly won't be enough active players to maintain any sort of a decent clan league, and some players (such as myself) are not even interested in ranked play anyhow. I have been back for about a week and most of the time I jump onto WormNET, it's nothing but a bunch of snoopers and some random newer people I don't recognize. I've seen a few familiar faces, but not many. Maybe 15 or so total during the past week.
I have noticed lots of lag with Hostingbuddy during this past week, especially when hosting games with larger map files like Big RR. The first map always takes a long time to load even though my connection is super fast. After the first map loads, it seems as though the others are quick in comparison.
When it comes to dealing with noobs / casuals, I try to be as gentle as possible in most cases. I know that we can't afford to turn people away with our attitudes. These people need nurturing, so to speak, so that they can learn the ins and outs and hopefully recommend the game to their friends. Aside from the game being available on Steam now (which is a great thing!) it is pretty much solely word of mouth. Most people who WOULD play Worms probably aren't even aware that the server is still up and running. They probably naturally assumed that it is long defunct.
I take breaks here and there but I doubt I'll ever quit playing W:A permanently. Even when I am not playing it, I am probably playing some other, newer, Worms title. I love this game and the community far too much to ever abandon it fully.