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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: spleen17 on October 03, 2018, 07:47 PM
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I mentioned this briefly in the other thread, but I've been thinking about it some more and I really think this would be the best thing for TUS leagues going forward.
As with tournaments and cups, allow users to register their own leagues. Have it similar to cups where maybe 6-8 are active at any one time. The host of the cup can set the scheme (or schemes) and add any prizes that they want to. If say, 10 people sign up as interested then the league season will start, after which anyone can play and report games. If a league is inactive or a mod has gone AWOL it can be closed and a new league can start.
This way the league schemes will be determined based on their actual popularity on wormnet. If enough people want a mole shopper league, and someone can host it, fine. People want Aerial? Why not. If Senator or someone wants to host a league of classic schemes with cash prizes, great. Everyone can play what they want, and we'll see which kinds of leagues / schemes are the most popular and produce the most fun / competitive battles.
I'm sure we'd have a lot more league games played on tus than there is at the moment, and is surely worth a try rather than debating on the forums as to which schemes should be played, when no one is ever going to agree?
What do you think?
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Honestly that's the best idea i've heard for years.
Let's do it!
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And then every league matters less and less, and so is the victory.
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A league for every scheme? Or allowing anyone to make their own league, if 100 people made just 1 league for every person, that would be 100 leagues.............. Seems like a lot of leagues and a lot of confusion... Then again maybe more people would play if there were 1,000 leagues.
As I said, there would be a set number open at any one time, as with cups. Inactive leagues will be closed and replaced with new ones that are waiting to be approved.
And then every league matters less and less, and so is the victory.
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Some can be sponsored with money prizes to increase interest. Maybe not every league will be successful but there are a few schemes that plenty of people would like to play in leagues. It's not like there is a lot of people playing league games as it is... *shrugs*
Honestly that's the best idea i've heard for years.
Let's do it!
Thanks! I think it has the potential to be a lot of fun in what could be WA's final few years of activity.
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Ofc nonames like Walrus for example cant host their own bongshit that would be the end of Worms
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Yeah, I'd love to host Aerial league. Would be great. And I'm sure sock would like to have ttrr league, senator would be happy for elite league.. How would we even start, and how much ppl would wait to get their leagues hosted?
In the end, we would do what we were trying to avoid in all of previous conversations - divide players.
Could be the key to revival, also could be the key for quicker death.
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Yeah, I'd love to host Aerial league. Would be great. And I'm sure sock would like to have ttrr league, senator would be happy for elite league.. How would we even start, and how much ppl would wait to get their leagues hosted?
My suggestion would be to approve them as we do cups, so as long as there are not too many leagues currently running they could get started fairly quickly.
We could also require say, 10 people to sign up as 'Interested' before it starts, just to make sure there is adequate interest. Then once it starts anyone can join and play at will. Moderators will be able to set season length (2 or 3 months max), and whether or not playoffs are to be included.
In the end, we would do what we were trying to avoid in all of previous conversations - divide players.
Could be the key to revival, also could be the key for quicker death.
I think players are pretty divided already, at least this way everyone can play what they want. And I think that if some leagues become very fun and competitive then it may even attract more players who previously weren't too interested in a certain scheme.
It will also get more casual players into TUS. Even if they sign up just to play mole shoppers they will still see the other games on the site and may decide to start playing these too.
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I always thought it would be cool if there was ladders for an individual scheme, but we are probably way past the point where activity would necessitate a ladder.
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Yeah we shouldn't worry about things being divided by this point, everything is already divided.
Only way to prevent the division would be to force everyone to play just a few things, and forcing people isn't very nice.
Having them moderated like Cups as spleen17 suggests solves the problem of too many Leagues, and a League could only start if it had a minimum of 8 players or something also.
I don't see this as having any drawbacks personally, only paranoia if anything.
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Walrus pointed out on biggest problem and that is lack of players. Even if we get those leagues active, it will be few players each playing their own, against each other.. Until they get fed up beating/losing to same ppl over and over again. It will be sad to see already small number of enthusiasts being torned apart in 6-7 ways.
But yeah sure, count me in.. Gonna at least do some competitive Aerial where league system won't give me 10pts for win and take 70 for loss.
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There isn't enough in-game activity to justify any of this.
People barely play TUS these days and it is well-established, so how does one expect for a new league (or several leagues) to gain traction and become popular?
As I've said before, it doesn't matter what grand ideas people come up with if people aren't playing the game.
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There's guy that streams Worms every few days.. Gets 3000+ live viewers.
Getting in contact with him and kindly ask him to do a favour for our community (don't know how we should do this, but WE SHOULD) could send a wave of big number new ppl at us. All he'd need to do would be to host one of Worms streamers when his stream is over. So those 3000+ ppl would get transfered in one of ours twitch channels to see art in action. Rope race, elites, kaos...
All kinds of schemes and tactics that they never thought this old game could contain. If 50 out of those 3000 ppl decides to get in #ag tomorrow, in order to practice and bond with community, we pretty much succeed in keeping W:A alive. Let's be honest, they come on this guy's stream to watch him play, not to watch Worms.. But if we get a chance to show them around, 50 out of 3000 doesn't seem unreal!
*p.s. for every smartass that thinks this is just me trying to self-promote, you're wrong! Personally, I would like Walrus to do this. If he's not able to gather few new faces, while narrating Worms action with few witty comments, no one is.
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before this could happen, 94 people can't lag out all of worms. lol
Hm, what you're trying to say sock? I'm not getting it.
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There isn't enough in-game activity to justify any of this.
People barely play TUS these days and it is well-established, so how does one expect for a new league (or several leagues) to gain traction and become popular?
As I've said before, it doesn't matter what grand ideas people come up with if people aren't playing the game.
People ARE playing the game, I see about as many people on #ag today as there was 5 years ago. Why stop them from playing the games they want to play because some guys on a forum who aren’t even active any more disagree with it?
I've been on the worms forums for a while now, watched much of the history of worms throughout the years. We can all see we have less activity now, than before, when the leagues were more simple. Just Classic and Free. Cups and Tournaments are fun to play in, a nice alternative to league play. If there was a league for every scheme, or if people were allowed to host their own league even with a limit, I don't think it would improve the activity on worms.
So you think league activity would be any worse than it is now? What is there to lose exactly?
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I've been trying to find a walrusleague match all morning, everyone inactive
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If there was a league for every scheme, or if people were allowed to host their own league even with a limit, I don't think it would improve the activity on worms.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you suggest, or at least support the idea that Chicken23 had within the last month, of letting players play whatever scheme they want in TUS League?
Honestly, what is the difference? I'll tell you a major difference I see.
If you allow any scheme to be played in 1 League, the players who play the most popular schemes will be at the top of the standings, thus, shunning the players who enjoy playing less popular schemes in a League making their time feel wasted. One of the main reasons to play a League, is to win, and you can't ever reach the top if nobody plays your scheme.
But, if you allow players to host their own Leagues, at least those who LOVE that scheme can join, and have a better chance of reaching the top, thus creating more pride/respect and a reason for even competing!
I am not an all-rounder, I don't ever want to be, so I won't ever take part in TUS Classic, there are HUNDREDS of people like me.
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My support has not changed of letting people play whatever they want in TUS League. I do not support HUNDREDS of leagues.
It's not hundred of leagues, it's a set number at a time. Did you read the thread?
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I can barely keep up with 1 league. Imagine all the new comers to worms, that would drive me right away.
Not really, they can just play one league if that's what appeals to them.
How is that 1 guy that managed to get into 4 playoffs in 4 different leagues going to schedule his playoff matches? How you guys even think this is remotely a good idea is way beyond me. Never mind, I just looked at both your profiles, no classic winners, that explains this whole scheme of leagues.
If they have the time to play in enough games to reach 4 different playoffs then surely they have the time to arrange 4 more games? Doesn't seem too complicated.
Classic is dead. Winning a league 6 years ago does not make your opinion more important than ours. If you want tus and WA to last a few more years you need to listen to the majority.
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first quote - ya they can play the 1 league that appeals to them, exactly, horrible idea.
Better than 0 active leagues, no?
2nd quote - If they have 24 hours a day off and 4 different playoffs with 4 different people. Extremely complicated, I wouldn't expect you to know. And about the Classic League. Winning a league 6 years ago does not make my opinion more important than yours, but it does damn well make my opinion more strong than your opinion or Komodo's. Let me know when you guys beat daiNa, lukz, and Random00 in playoffs, when everyone is playing everyday. Might make your guys opinion a little more strong or credible. lol
The ployoffs would not all be at the same time. And again why do you bring this up? If only playoff winners were allowed an opinion tus would be dead already.
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Classic is dead. Winning a league 6 years ago does not make your opinion more important than ours. If you want tus and WA to last a few more years you need to listen to the majority.
Well, sock and dibz are probably most active league players in last couple of years. If someone's opinion on this matter should count, it's them.
On the other hand, spleen, you came back 3 days ago from, what it seemed to be, at least 1 year break of Worms and already using terms like "majority of ppl".. What majority? 3-4 of us agreed this could worth a try, just because league is stagnating for a long time, so every movement is a good movement atm.
I personally think this would be cherry on a cake of TUS dying. But at least we'll enjoy some activity with everyone playing their favourite schemes until activity completely shuts down.
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sock wtf, you used to be such a nice guy...
Firstly, claiming your opinion to be stronger or worth more than another persons, does not make it so.
I am much more than capable of winning classic league with a bit of practise, but what does this have to do with what we said anyway?
I don't even care about singles, I want clanners back!
Instead of insulting people and talking about how good they are, or what they have and haven't played.
Oh wait, let me join in please!
Nobody should listen to you cuz you join another clan every f**king week, so your opinion is pointless.
Oh boy, that was fun! Your turn :D
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I didn't say my opinion was more strong than others
Winning a league 6 years ago does not make my opinion more important than yours, but it does damn well make my opinion more strong than your opinion or Komodo's.
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Whoever loses this argument gets dropped from NBR roster
And go ;D
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To be honest, I find your opinion to be almost meaningless. While I highly respect your level of skill, and the activity you have contributed over the years. Your attitude towards others, and your ability to assess a situation and consider viable solutions, is atrocious to say the least. I cannot respect the opinion of someone who can't even make up their own mind, or remember things they said 1 hour ago.
And honestly, if people accept you into their clan regardless of how much you disrespect them, that just tells me you are a league whore valued purely for your skill. If people had a massive pool of other skilled players, with a better attitude and loyalty than you to pick from, would you be so successful? Either way, it doesn't matter.
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Considering I started that sentence with "if".
I'm done here, you can't even f**king read properly...
1 month ago there was this:
Just open the flood gates, anything goes. Playerbase (competitive) too small to limit schemes.
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Now you want to limit it... Make your mind up ffs.
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If you were regarded as a good player at all, league or not, I might take your opinion seriously
Again you resort to personal attacks when we're discussing a hypothetical league idea. Fantastic, if only WA had more "veterans" such as you.
On the other hand, spleen, you came back 3 days ago from, what it seemed to be, at least 1 year break of Worms and already using terms like "majority of ppl".. What majority? 3-4 of us agreed this could worth a try, just because league is stagnating for a long time, so every movement is a good movement atm.
I personally think this would be cherry on a cake of TUS dying. But at least we'll enjoy some activity with everyone playing their favourite schemes until activity completely shuts down.
I am a recreational player and never claim to be anything else. But I think a lot of people are more concerned about the old voices on tus rather than the people that are actually playing wormnet regularly. A big part of this idea is getting more players to join tus by providing them with the ability to play the schemes they enjoy playing.
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Could someone seriously look into if that is actually the real oldsock please.
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I actually left NBR like 10 minutes ago, because I realized you joined.
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I actually left NBR like 10 minutes ago, because I realized you joined.
nothing of value was lost this day
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There is nothing of value left in this game either.
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@oldsock,
We heard you loud and clear. You don't approve of the idea. But this is the first time I am seeing you like this. Hope everything is fine over there.
I'll be deleting non-related posts from this topic.
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Well, that was an 'interesting' read.
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Didnt read whole thread yet just referring to op, id had ppl for few schemes too.
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Back then everyone worked hard to be good, and in order to hit the top of the leaderboard you had to become an all rounder, or at least an average player in every scheme.
Nowadays people want to make the league suitable for them to play only their favorite schemes because they are too lazy to learn all the others, yet they want changes to be embraced as competitives players, this doesn't seems right and fair to me, actually it drives me crazy. The idea of individual leagues for every scheme were good too but we are probably way past the point here just like your idea, we are too late for changes.
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maybe one day we need to rethink the idea of active ppl like when we all were young and had less life.
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Back then everyone worked hard to be good, and in order to hit the top of the leaderboard you had to become an all rounder, or at least an average player in every scheme.
Nowadays people want to make the league suitable for them to play only their favorite schemes because they are too lazy to learn all the others, yet they want changes to be embraced as competitives players, this doesn't seems right and fair to me, actually it drives me crazy. The idea of individual leagues for every scheme were good too but we are probably way past the point here just like your idea, we are too late for changes.
What we need is a WILD league (which I have already set up on WormsRF), as well as classification as an eSport.
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What we need is a WILD league (which I have already set up on WormsRF)
Hey hey! Eeeasy there. I have copyright on this! Wtf? Vicenzo and me got wasted and this was a product of longterm thinking, mixing, calculating..accompanied by high concetration of alcohol in blood.
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon-promotion-project/tus-wild-league-30346/
Still looks like a good idea btw! If classic league will get a reset, why not do it with free league too and put this one instead. So we would have 1 league for serious bussines, and other -> Wild league that's gonna attract casuals where they can play whatever they like. Win/win for all!
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