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Current status of the League
Chicken23:
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i just want to be able to find a tus or competitive game on the odd occasion when i come online, but i can't be the sole driver of sitting on ag and always being active to try and keep WA. I love worms and don't want to see competitive leagues die, but it needs everyone working in the same direction and some collective mind set to make it enjoyable enough for us to either all come back, or motivate new players to want to play 'league' style.
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Probably wasn't your intention but I saw this post as: "my time is more precious than yours so you rather sit in ag and make stuff happen so I can come in once a week and get some instant games going.."
Some of us are tired of trying to convince oldschool to get back. ;)
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I can totally see how the post came across like that and point accepted. I think what I was trying to say is that one person cannot single handedly restore competitive league games to wa. It needs to be a collective effort. I just know personally the reasons why i am inactive and so many other oldschoolers are is because of personal reasons in life with jobs and family etc, compared to 10 or even 5 years ago when i had less responsibilities.
--- Quote from: Sensei on September 18, 2018, 08:42 PM ---
There was dozens of polls and tryouts to make league active again. Not many of ppl are interested anymore. Lots of schemes still needs corrections but we can't even get that going. As I've mentioned few times - of all community only around 40 ppl voted in that poll about new update release.. And 80% of them voted "NO!"
What else is there to say!? :D
Although, I would be the last to say it's over. Will support any ideas that might actually get us somewhere. But lets stop recycling posts. Twitters, reddits, twitch, compilations, videos, promotions. Surely there are ppl in community that can get some new faces, playing on nostalgia card. Saw it, did it. It's possible. But I don't have skills nor resources for attracting larger amount of newbies.
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I hate going in circles and recycling posts, everyone disagrees, komodo (sorry Dave) will always argue against something or someone else will. Just sitting around debating it isn't going to help unless there are some real actions taken and the only person who can do that is MI.
Yes we are all in agreement that to make the league active again we need to train newbies and log into ag to play ourselves, but we would be lying to ourselves if there are not other things we can do (mainly MI) and some changes to the TuS website, or the creation of a more simple league system and website, would make competitive gaming in worms and the concept of logging into a website to report the games you've played on wa into that league more appealing.
As mentioned, adding in newer schemes which are more popular to the players of today will help.
Improving the UX/UI of tus site and navigation to make it more clear and simple to report games and see standings (currently we have about 4 different leagues and standing tables?) but in the older league days it was just one ladder or 1 league and so easy to see exactly what was going on.
Centralize all the leagues and systems so its clear whats being played, we are spoilt for too much choice.
Reduce the season length.
Perhaps with some of those changes things might pick up and it may make it more encouraging for older and more inactive players to continue to play and coming to AG maybe more than once a week.
TheKomodo:
Tom we all have our own ideas, in order to argue against something, you have to support something else...
I think merging everything is a bad idea, i'd like to see everything simplified.
How are you going to convince everyone to come back and start playing when there is a mountain of issues that prevent or encourage people not to play?
We've been waiting for 4.0 for many years, players don't want to play schemes they don't like, activity is low people don't want to sit around for hours looking for a clanner or singles when they could be having fun doing something else, the general atmosphere and behaviour of many different cultures/players don't exactly combine very well these days, the idea of what we even think is suitable for a league doesn't spark with the newer generation of casual players, the elitist attitude of experienced players, poor sportsmanship, cheating, the fact that the skill gap between experienced players and beginner players... The list goes on...
I honestly don't know what it will take to generate activity to the point we have a healthy, active league, and to be honest I don't think anyone else does either, especially when everyone keeps disagreeing with everyone.
So stop blaming me, it's rude.
skunk3:
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The way the site is at the moment was fine years ago when the game was active. These days the game is as inactive as it has ever been. I personally can't think of a time when activity was so low, especially activity of seasoned players. I personally don't have an issue with the UI of this site but the league formats themselves are confusing because everything is so separated. I think some major simplication wouldn't hurt at all, even if people might complain about having to play schemes they don't like. Big deal.
Many W:A newbies have no idea what TUS even means and probably little to no desire to play leagues, and those who would potentially be interested in playing leagues would most likely be extremely confused by this website, particularly when it comes to Leagues and whatnot. League play is at a trickle already and making changes probably wouldn't hurt it for the worse. I dunno. As I said before, I don't think it matters at all what changes are made because I can't think of any changes to the Leagues that would bring players back, and seeing old players become more active (in general) is far more desirable to me than seeing newer players become more active within TUS... and since there's no real incentive for anyone to come back out of sheer boredom and nostalgia, what else is there to offer? Nothing, basically. Empty hopes and promises of a 3.8 release that may be officially released one day. To be honest, I don't even think 3.8 would be enough to bring back a lot of players, especially not long term. A few might install and check it out but I doubt they'll become active again.
To me this whole discussion is akin to two guys bailing water out of the bottom of a sinking boat and arguing about whether it is best to bail water with a circular pail or a squared one.
I think the real question that needs to be asked is of the inactive players: What would you NEED to see implemented to become seriously active again? Is there anything that could be done, or has life and its various commitments relegated W:A to 'fond memory' status? I still don't even fully understand why SO MANY players went inactive at roughly the same time. It's like all of a sudden the game died because of a domino effect of: "if (X) isn't playing anymore, I won't either..."
I think that all of this talk of brainstorming ideas to entice veteran players to become active again is just wishful thinking and chat, nothing more. The only thing that can save this game is 3.8 being way more awesome than expected, and it being released soon.
TheKomodo:
--- Quote from: skunk3 on September 20, 2018, 09:43 AM ---I think the real question that needs to be asked is of the inactive players: What would you NEED to see implemented to become seriously active again?
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Personally, for me, i'd play singles if the league was simplified into 3 schemes, but i'd have to personally like those 3 schemes as well.
And that's an option I don't think many people would like to see lol.
Chicken23:
--- Quote from: TheKomodo on September 20, 2018, 03:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: skunk3 on September 20, 2018, 09:43 AM ---I think the real question that needs to be asked is of the inactive players: What would you NEED to see implemented to become seriously active again?
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Personally, for me, i'd play singles if the league was simplified into 3 schemes, but i'd have to personally like those 3 schemes as well.
And that's an option I don't think many people would like to see lol.
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for me it would be activity, knowing whenever i log into wn i can find a classic tus single or clanner and that enough players were taking part to make it worthwhile trying to make CKC win the leagues or reaching playoffs and winning against a group of skilled allrounders.
Just like the domino effect of old players disappearing so quickly, it would need a similar effect in a positive way of getting people back.
seasons at nearly a year long make me not want to even bother because there will never be an end to a season so whats the point?
we are all in agreement about how we are on deathsdoor, so lets just reduce the season length back to their originals and add arieal to classic, there is literally nothing to lose and MI could make the change tomorrow i'd imagine??
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