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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: kartious on April 24, 2013, 10:05 PM
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Hello
I am trying to learn how to finger roll but my keyboard is rubbish so It would be great if you told me the keyboards you use to play WA so I can buy a one.
Any advice also is welcome.
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As I said lots of times, I use Logitech G15 for that ;)
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Or you can not take the easy way and not be a noob and learn with 1 finger . . . .
P.s if your space doesn't work well, hit it HARDER
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I would just use my feet for the ultimate challenge.
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Or you can not take the easy way and not be a noob and learn with 1 finger . . . .
listen to dub. do it right handed as well like a boss.
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Maciej, do you perhaps have something that documents that you, indeed, use finger roll? Perhaps a video of some sort??
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Maciej, do you perhaps have something that documents that you, indeed, use finger roll? Perhaps a video of some sort??
not sure if that was a joke but
XD
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This is the only video I've seen of someone actually finger rolling
Anyone who 'finger rolls' using 2+ spacebars is a cheater, in my opinion. I have no respect for this fake kind of roping.
And I've heard all the justifications for it so don't bother arguing. Do what dub-c says (who is an excellent roper) and learn to rope the proper way.
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This is the only video I've seen of someone actually finger rolling
Anyone who 'finger rolls' using 2+ spacebars is a cheater, in my opinion. I have no respect for this fake kind of roping.
And I've heard all the justifications for it so don't bother arguing. Do what dub-c says (who is an excellent roper) and learn to rope the proper way.
I will argue, sorry Joe ;O. Key remapping should be allowed, and I imagine WA 4.0 might have this programmed into the game. It doesn't change how the game accepts inputs, and finger rolling on a sufficiently sensitive space is the same as doing it with two spaces. It's not even clear finger rolling gives you an advantage in the end, I feel that one finger might give you more control, since there are fewer moving appendages to think about (or at least, this depends on the person).
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Hey kartious, welcome to TUS :)
If you're serious about learning finger-rolling, please be careful because you will find a few scripts in your way which will make it so easy but they are totally cheats. Learning the actual finger-rolling requires a lot of time and patience. Please read here (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/using-autohotkey-is-considered-as-a-cheat-9118/) for more info.
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The argument you just gave is exactly the one I had in mind when I said don't bother arguing. Not that my arguments are ironclad, but you won't convince me that 2 space finger rollers don't have an unfair advantage.
There are no space bars as sensitive/controllable as two separate buttons. With a single space bar, sure you can get a few fast taps, but it's 100 times harder to control than if you're using two buttons.
Part of that is because with 1 spacebar, the downstroke of one finger can prevent the spacebar from lifting from your previous space press if your timing is off. That doesn't happen with 2 buttons because the buttons aren't physically connected. This limitation also affects your timing.
The proof that 2 space "finger rolling" gives an unfair advantage is in the results. Just compare a "finger roller" with a 1 space roper - you don't have to know who is who because it's immediately obvious. Arguing about how WA accepts keyboard inputs and about ideal sensitive spaces, etc, is irrelevant. In theory maybe it works the same, but in practice two-space "finger rollers" have a huge advantage.
You said you doubted if FRing helps. Having the ability to do fast, reliable tapping definitely gives you an advantage in some situations. If you're doing a scroll close to the roof with 1 space bar, for example, you pretty much have to slow down or stop if you get too close to the roof with too much speed, because you can't trust that the spacebar will register, and you'll end up hitting your head on the roof. "Finger rollers" just spam some taps and keep scrolling. I remember watching this exact scenario with barman rr'ing with his last worm in a clanner, where his worm suddenly got really close to the ceiling during a fast scroll, but instead of slowing down he pulled a bunch of impossible taps out of his ass to save his scroll, without losing horizontal speed, with his worm practically touching the roof. That same move would be pretty much impossible, and at least far too risky to attempt, with one space bar. And it would be a lot more difficult to time properly with the above-mentioned limitation of having a single spacebar that is physically one piece. I'm not saying barman isn't a great roper, but when you watch something like that, you are forced to think "wow, he has an unfair advantage".
In the video I posted, the guy can tap pretty fast, but he still can't trust his space bar enough to scroll with a short rope. Using two spacebars eliminates that uncertainty.
On a side note, there are some remappers that will accept both inputs, even if the two spaces are pressed at the same time, and input one space right after the other. But you're not talking about those programs.
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I can finger roll with my padded space as fast as any finger roller can with two, and I'm not even a finger roller. The only difference you could argue is that it takes more time to learn fr with one space, I really don't know.
Finger rolling rarely gives an advantage in control; saving yourself from hitting the roof is something that's only related to spacebar sensitivity. It does give you an advantage in taps, but that's about it, doesn't result in faster RR times or more controlled/efficient roping. The situation you're describing sounds too rare, you can pretty much never just spam taps and have things work out better than controlled taps would.
Many of the top RRers have used one space in any case, so I don't see that your claim of two spaces having an advantage is vindicated by the evidence. Maybe there is a slight advantage for those starting off, but at the higher levels it doesn't really make a difference.
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Well, I am using a kinda cheap keyboard (maybe that's why I am so noob in rope), but even if I would like to use my spacebar to rope with, I couldn't because my spacebar with one of my arrow keys has keylock. So I use two keys on my keyboard with has no keylock with my arrows and they are not so important for chatting.
I think it's more easier to rope with little keys. And I think that you don't need immediately to buy a new keyboard, you can learn the basics with a cheap one too. All you need is practicing a lot and nerves :D
For example before I started fingerrolling, I was playing for 3 years continuously with 1 key (but not the spacebar), and it took me to change my style about 2-3 months.
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using 1 or 2 spaces doesn't make a difference
the 2nd space will only shoot a rope if the 1st one is released, much like what would happen when using only 1 space
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Better shadows and scrolls?
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This is the only video I've seen of someone actually finger rolling
i can do this with 1 finger yep. OP: get a flat keyboard. or a laptop.
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I didn't open this thread to start any form of debate whether FR is worth doing or not. I opened this thread asking people that FR to tell me what keyboards they use.
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lol van i was in the middle of posting the same thing, but your meme is better than mine.
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I didn't open this thread to start any form of debate whether FR is worth doing or not. I opened this thread asking people that FR to tell me what keyboards they use.
Logitech G15. U won't need any remapper because the spacebar is pretty sensitive and it has no significant keylock.
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I didn't open this thread to start any form of debate whether FR is worth doing or not. I opened this thread asking people that FR to tell me what keyboards they use.
Like always I'd recommend the model I myself have been using since January 2012, Logitech Illumitaned. Note that it's rather expensive, though. I'm sure there are keyboards that are at least half as cheap and perform similarly well.
You can see a video of myself roping on that keyboard in Masta's post (thanks). That should also be an example that finger rolling doesn't necessarily involve remapping your space bar to two different keys.
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Nice roping barman. Props for using one space so well.
Maybe there is a slight advantage for those starting off, but at the higher levels it doesn't really make a difference.
Alright, maybe for the top 5 ropers it doesn't make much difference.. you may have convinced me of that, but I still think that for 99.9% of people it's an unfair advantage.
Anyway thanks for keeping the responses civil. I went over the top a bit. Finger rolling (2 spaces) has bothered me for a while, but never enough to say something about it, until now I guess.
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i used to have this awesome keyboard with huge deep keys, looked like it was from the early 90s. Anyways, it had a springloaded space, which was awesome. anubis had a similar one i think back in the day, maybe you remember me talking about this keyboard anus since ours were so similar?
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IBM Model M
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/ModelM.jpg/330px-ModelM.jpg)
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Lmfao, you gotta f@#!ing love how Anubis comes in here, with his old ass 1990's looking piece of shit, and completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak :D
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model M is canon of keyboard beauty. same about IBM's thinkpads when it comes to laptops. ;D
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IBM Model M
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/ModelM.jpg/330px-ModelM.jpg)
yeah it was either this one or something almost exactly like it. Got it for 2$ at a garage sale, best purchase i ever made. its gone now though, left at my ex girlfriends apartment.
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Lmfao, you gotta f@#!ing love how Anubis comes in here, with his old ass 1990's looking piece of shit, and completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak :D
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I really just mean Warmers Dub, don't panic ! lol
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I actually have Model M2 only. ;D
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2006/jun232006/jun232006-005.jpg)
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i don't think anubis dominates any roper ever... anubis is good, but please remove his penis from your oral regions.
joe, is it ok to use the keyboards that come with 2 spaces? or do you believe that to be cheating as well?
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That is cheating avi.
Some keyboards have rapid fire buttons included - would you say that isn't cheating? :P
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Finger rolling sucks for roping.
I use it in other games though:
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What game is that anyway ropa?
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Lmfao, you gotta f@#!ing love how Anubis comes in here, with his old ass 1990's looking piece of shit, and completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak :D
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Don't feed the troll guys....you know what happens.
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Cue, just like you, and everybody else, I am entitled to my opinion, and in truth I think Anubis was/is better at Warmers, than any other player that ever existed, that is not trolling.
Anyway, it was meant as a joke seeing as everyone posting very modern hardware, then Anubis posts his old nasty looking (yet very robust and reliable) keyboard.
But fair enough if you guys have nothing better to do than call people trolls when they done nothing wrong lol.
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Cue, just like you, and everybody else, I am entitled to my opinion, and in truth I think Anubis was/is better at Warmers, than any other player that ever existed, that is not trolling.
Anyway, it was meant as a joke seeing as everyone posting very modern hardware, then Anubis posts his old nasty looking (yet very robust and reliable) keyboard.
But fair enough if you guys have nothing better to do than call people trolls when they done nothing wrong lol.
"Completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak"
You were trying to start a 10 page debate about who's the better roper. You love it.
By the end of it we would all be flaming each other, 5 people would be banned from the forums, you'd be talking about drinking vodka, telling super models to f@#! off and you'd have your dictionary out telling us what the actual definition of 'opinion' is. And loads of other crazy shit like that.
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So going back to the topic - kartious, I myself never bothered to buy these expensive keyboards just for roping. I just bought some cheap 5-10$ worth keyboard and modded my spacebar with putting little flat plastic square under it (you have to adjust it couple of times to get a proper effect though). It contributed in very high responsivity of spacebar making it easier to control the taps and also I gained comparable speed to double space scripts. So, if you don't want to spend much money you can modify your regular keyboard. :)
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the problem is that most keyboards' buttons are way too "huge" in height. I can't understand why there aren't as much flat keyboards as there are on laptops (I know, it's to economize space on laptops, but such keyboards are really better even on their own). I once tried a "huge" keyboard again. space was terrible indeed. this is why I always roped fast with 1 finger and 1 space on my laptop. :) and its in a lot better condition than it would be on any other standard KB (bigger amplitude gives bigger imbalance, thus the serving period is less). it's still perfect in fact, but I've got a new laptop already.
on the other side, typing on the "huge" keyboards is also very bad, however this may just be my own experience since I'm already used to flat keyboard for years.
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You've lost the plot cue lol.
Best keyboard I ever had was a DELL Quietkey (I think that was name of it anyway...) It was the fossil of keyboards but damn it had good response !
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Logitech ultra flat. Great low profile keys. Tried media elite and g15 and stuck with this for the last 5 or so years. All other keyboards' keys seem too big and bulky once you get used to low profile laptop style keys.
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Logitech ultra flat. Great low profile keys. Tried media elite and g15 and stuck with this for the last 5 or so years. All other keyboards' keys seem too big and bulky once you get used to low profile laptop style keys.
so much true!
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Cue, just like you, and everybody else, I am entitled to my opinion, and in truth I think Anubis was/is better at Warmers, than any other player that ever existed, that is not trolling.
Anyway, it was meant as a joke seeing as everyone posting very modern hardware, then Anubis posts his old nasty looking (yet very robust and reliable) keyboard.
But fair enough if you guys have nothing better to do than call people trolls when they done nothing wrong lol.
"Completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak"
You were trying to start a 10 page debate about who's the better roper. You love it.
By the end of it we would all be flaming each other, 5 people would be banned from the forums, you'd be talking about drinking vodka, telling super models to f@#! off and you'd have your dictionary out telling us what the actual definition of 'opinion' is. And loads of other crazy shit like that.
Sorry for yet another off-topic post but I want to add to that, that none of the top "ropers/warmers" EVER start these stupid f@#!ing who is/was best. I can only speak for myself but the time I cared about my "domination" is like 4+ years ago and nowadays I am glad if I can actually motivate myself to even rope a few hours. Dunno about Mablak and the other "old school top roper", but I don't see them caring or even replying to these threads at all lol.
Just wanted to make that clear, though I would rather see you make threads for the current generation of awesome warmers/ropers like orange, asbest (played with him once, he's insane good for 16 years old) etc.
On-Topic: I only have experience with IBM, Dell and that one Qpad. In my opinion IBM > Dell > Qpad. :)
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that thread made me laugh, when i saw the name i thought, " oh lets see if maciej already posted on that "
he was the 1st to post huahauh priceless xD
finger roll vid xDDDDDDDD
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Viva la careoca1974 handmade keyboard! its 40 years old but I never had so good scrolls as with this one, srsly
(http://www.cenacarioca.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/keyboard-rusty-1.jpg)
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maciej, i think its time we get an updated finger rolling video from you.
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Cue, just like you, and everybody else, I am entitled to my opinion, and in truth I think Anubis was/is better at Warmers, than any other player that ever existed, that is not trolling.
Anyway, it was meant as a joke seeing as everyone posting very modern hardware, then Anubis posts his old nasty looking (yet very robust and reliable) keyboard.
But fair enough if you guys have nothing better to do than call people trolls when they done nothing wrong lol.
"Completely dominates every single roper that ever lived, including Mablak"
You were trying to start a 10 page debate about who's the better roper. You love it.
By the end of it we would all be flaming each other, 5 people would be banned from the forums, you'd be talking about drinking vodka, telling super models to f@#! off and you'd have your dictionary out telling us what the actual definition of 'opinion' is. And loads of other crazy shit like that.
Sorry for yet another off-topic post but I want to add to that, that none of the top "ropers/warmers" EVER start these stupid f@#!ing who is/was best. I can only speak for myself but the time I cared about my "domination" is like 4+ years ago and nowadays I am glad if I can actually motivate myself to even rope a few hours. Dunno about Mablak and the other "old school top roper", but I don't see them caring or even replying to these threads at all lol.
Just wanted to make that clear, though I would rather see you make threads for the current generation of awesome warmers/ropers like orange, asbest (played with him once, he's insane good for 16 years old) etc.
On-Topic: I only have experience with IBM, Dell and that one Qpad. In my opinion IBM > Dell > Qpad. :)
i luv u, anus <3
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The last time I had the chance to witness a warming contest I left #RopersHeaven thinking no one there was worthy of even playing in said channel.
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so u didn't play aswell?
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so u didn't play aswell?
Owned :)
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save your jokes and your owned scrubs. I was judging
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Still funny ;D
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Sorry for yet another off-topic post but I want to add to that, that none of the top "ropers/warmers" EVER start these stupid f@#!ing who is/was best. I can only speak for myself but the time I cared about my "domination" is like 4+ years ago and nowadays I am glad if I can actually motivate myself to even rope a few hours. Dunno about Mablak and the other "old school top roper", but I don't see them caring or even replying to these threads at all lol.
Just wanted to make that clear, though I would rather see you make threads for the current generation of awesome warmers/ropers like orange, asbest (played with him once, he's insane good for 16 years old) etc.
On-Topic: I only have experience with IBM, Dell and that one Qpad. In my opinion IBM > Dell > Qpad. :)
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Anubis STFU your the only one i know that can pick up a kb off the curb dust it off after 5 yrs and make the leet feel like noobs in a 10 min warmer.... finger rolls are a dedicated skill yes, but ropeing in itself is a skill that is learned over time put in and dedicated. Yes some people learn finger rolls and some learn cross handed but at the end of the day its what you can do with it. i know some one finger tappers that can put rollers to shame. but then i know some rollers that got "style" that can never be touched by the one finger tappers. My great friend volrin was a roller that even to this day on a cold night below 0 couldnt be touched by the greatest. but it all depends on what you can do with it. i know on days im upset from work and whats going on in the day i cant rope for nothing, but on a good day i can keep up with the best. "it all depends on what you do wit it"
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Once upon a time Anubis and Mablak had dinner together. They drunk a bit and after few hours they started to play funny games.
Then i was born.
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Uncle KRD told me this story. And aunt OutOfOrder witnessed the whole thing. So it's a true story bro.
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jaxjaxjxajaxjaxjaxjaxjaxjxajaxjxajaxXDDDDDDD
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Uncle KRD told me this story. And aunt OutOfOrder witnessed the whole thing. So it's a true story bro.
pass that stuff fratello jajajajjaja
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Once upon a time Anubis and Mablak had dinner together. They drunk a bit and after few hours they started to play funny games.
Then i was born.
Uncle KRD told me this story. And aunt OutOfOrder witnessed the whole thing. So it's a true story bro.
Cocky little f@#!er, ain't U!? :D
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anyway i bet Ropa will come here with another version of the story, saying he created Anubis and Mablak himself.
and Komo will answer that yes! he was there! but the story is different: the truth is that HE created them (just after he created bng) and Ropa just got advantage of the situation.
Avirex will start to make fun of him, while MonkeyIsland says "yeh, they might have invented worms, BUT I INVENTED THE WORLD!!!"
Ano will post "buiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!" and peja will wank on nino's pics.
The game is over, if i forgot someone just PM me, i will include you in the story.
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The game is over, if i forgot someone just PM me, i will include you in the story.
Emo mofo!
You've gone a way too much emotional!
Cocky little f@#!er, ain't U!? :D
lol
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anyway i bet Ropa will come here with another version of the story, saying he created Anubis and Mablak himself.
and Komo will answer that yes! he was there! but the story is different: the truth is that HE created them (just after he created bng) and Ropa just got advantage of the situation.
Avirex will start to make fun of him, while MonkeyIsland says "yeh, they might have invented worms, BUT I INVENTED THE WORLD!!!"
Ano will post "buiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!" and peja will wank on nino's pics.
The game is over, if i forgot someone just PM me, i will include you in the story.
lmao!!
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anyway i bet Ropa will come here with another version of the story, saying he created Anubis and Mablak himself.
and Komo will answer that yes! he was there! but the story is different: the truth is that HE created them (just after he created bng) and Ropa just got advantage of the situation.
Avirex will start to make fun of him, while MonkeyIsland says "yeh, they might have invented worms, BUT I INVENTED THE WORLD!!!"
Ano will post "buiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!" and peja will wank on nino's pics.
The game is over, if i forgot someone just PM me, i will include you in the story.
When you're hearing a joke from a person using a foreign language you have to do the exercise and jump back in time, to when you were young and that shit was funny.
Unless you're also from somewhere else.
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oh yeah. sorry.
i forgot you invented jokes.
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This is what worms did to my keyboard, Logitech G15 if you asked. I guess its for finger rollers now.
(http://wrzucacz.studiowizjo.pl/uploads/Sharley/p17tjprpuj5sf14vv7d710831phf6.jpg)
I'm thinking about something like this now:
(http://wrzucacz.studiowizjo.pl/uploads/Sharley/p17tjpph92pq9kgnm45vvt19hr4.jpg)
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I`m using A4 Tech KL-7MU. Its the best keyboeard i ever had and played!
Oh, also i have to say that its the only keyboard i ever had. Oh yeah, also i dont use any fingerrolling. Onefingerman ftw! :D
Its all this thread about - nothing. As many players - as many differnet opinions.
First learn fingerroll on any keyboard you have. Understand you need that or you dont. When u`ll get used to it - buy any keyboeard with small flat keys, for fast respond and enjoy your roping skills :)
So that`s my tip. From a guy who never even tryed that stuff and who think he is good @1finger spacing and prouds of that :D lel.
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I`m using A4 Tech KL-7MU. Its the best keyboeard i ever had and played!
Oh, also i have to say that its the only keyboard i ever had. Oh yeah, also i dont use any fingerrolling. Onefingerman ftw! :D
Its all this thread about - nothing. As many players - as many differnet opinions.
First learn fingerroll on any keyboard you have. Understand you need that or you dont. When u`ll get used to it - buy any keyboeard with small flat keys, for fast respond and enjoy your roping skills :)
So that`s my tip. From a guy who never even tryed that stuff and who think he is good @1finger spacing and prouds of that :D lel.
this is an awful post.
don't come here downtalking things you don't understand. Accept it's interesting for some people and move along, we don't care you don't care.
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I`m using A4 Tech KL-7MU. Its the best keyboeard i ever had and played!
Oh, also i have to say that its the only keyboard i ever had.
Amazing, that.
Anyway, I ordered the Steelseries 6gv2 a couple of days ago.
Fell for the cherry black switches - will let you know how I get on with it, first mechanical keyboard.
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I`m using A4 Tech KL-7MU. Its the best keyboeard i ever had and played!
Oh, also i have to say that its the only keyboard i ever had.
Amazing, that.
Anyway, I ordered the Steelseries 6gv2 a couple of days ago.
Fell for the cherry black switches - will let you know how I get on with it, first mechanical keyboard.
awesome, I've been tempted to try that exact keyboard ever since it was released, but never took the plunge. I'm really interested to hear what you think of it, if you're willing to share whenever.
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Certainly.
Should arrive before next Thursday.
Going to have to be accepting of the fact that I will be nowhere near the old roping standard but if I can't blame the keyboard then it's all good.
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will you play more?? i hope so ryan!! gl with the kb.... lets us know how it is.
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I've recorded a movie of myself pretending to rope and finger rolling on a old school machine on an interactive exhibition during Slot Art Festival (my friend's youtube channel).
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shit I m late!
BUIIIII
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lol bonhart...
too bad you didnt have the camera focused on a computer, with a replay of you ttrring aswell.. that would make the video epic...
(funny moment, i was originally going to say you would have to personally know someone who knows how to rope who can actually be roping off camera on the real KB, while u mimic the moves.. lol.. forgot about replays some how)
:D
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Hello
I am trying to learn how to finger roll but my keyboard is rubbish so It would be great if you told me the keyboards you use to play WA so I can buy a one.
Any advice also is welcome.
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Rope cross handed like me. =)