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Title: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2024, 01:48 PM
plz make the possibility of registrating nicknames with passwords and a login system bridge to wormnet.. linked and possibly in connection with the TUS site, or a discord server. with the toxic trolls gone, that would also improve the environment alltogether

Agreed... That, and proper moderation of WormNET to create a safer environment for young people who would otherwise be pushed away by negativity and toxicity.

I've lost count of the amount of people who told me they stopped playing due to racism, homophobia and bigotry on WormNET.

Even had someone impersonate Sensei recently joining a live streamed Cup match using racist words, we knew it wasn't Sensei though.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: raffie on April 13, 2024, 04:10 PM
Agreed... That, and proper moderation of WormNET to create a safer environment for young people who would otherwise be pushed away by negativity and toxicity.

I've lost count of the amount of people who told me they stopped playing due to racism, homophobia and bigotry on WormNET.

Even had someone impersonate Sensei recently joining a live streamed Cup match using racist words, we knew it wasn't Sensei though.

Bad idea IMO, people who can't cope with a few no-no words on a computer screen are the ones who create a toxic environment is what we all should have learned these last few years. If you're gonna start banning people from playing WA because they said something whoever the moderator is finds offensive, I think we're gonna lose a lot of wormers, entirely possible I could be banned too, after 20 years of playing. It always begins with the magic words "racism", "homophobia", w/e stuff like that. Before you know it you get banned for "misgendering" some tranny.
Add the option to mute anyone you want in WormNet, problem solved IMO.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 13, 2024, 04:20 PM
Bad idea IMO, people who can't cope with a few no-no words on a computer screen are the ones who create a toxic environment is what we all should have learned these last few years. If you're gonna start banning people from playing WA because they said something whoever the moderator is finds offensive, I think we're gonna lose a lot of wormers, entirely possible I could be banned too, after 20 years of playing. It always begins with the magic words "racism", "homophobia", w/e stuff like that. Before you know it you get banned for "misgendering" some tranny.
Add the option to mute anyone you want in WormNet, problem solved IMO.

First of all... It's not just "a few no-no words on a computer screen".

For every idiot who thinks it's a good idea to bully other people... You know with a great deal of confidence they have either been bullied themselves, nobody likes them and they are lonely, or they delusionally believe they are cool, and will get a wake up call in 20 years when they are living alone with no partner, no children, no friends, nobody who respects them.

The sheer delusional state of clownship for someone to say it's the people who don't like being treated negatively by toxic people that are toxic people. That's all shocking, delusional and hilarious.

Honestly, if we "lost a lot of wormers" if we started to ban people for being racist, homophobic, transphobic etc, I'd say good riddance to them, if only we could get rid of them off the face of the Earth entirely then we'd be cooking with gas.

Anyway, I've had countless people confide in me, sharing their experiences, especially a number of women who thanks to a few specific people they don't even play anymore.

It's not just an opinion, it's a fact, it's one of the big reasons why this game doesn't have "nicer" people playing, and a HUGE deterrent to younger players because of the toxic environment with so many males who take it upon themselves to harass and abuse other people in a written verbal manner.

Like it or not, more and more people don't like bullies, more than ever bullies get put in their place, more than ever bullies are losing their power, this is a good thing, not a bad thing.

The point is, if you like this game, and you like having interesting people to play with, then you aren't helping by being a toxic clown.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 13, 2024, 04:27 PM
Bad idea IMO, people who can't cope with a few no-no words on a computer screen are the ones who create a toxic environment is what we all should have learned these last few years. If you're gonna start banning people from playing WA because they said something whoever the moderator is finds offensive, I think we're gonna lose a lot of wormers, entirely possible I could be banned too, after 20 years of playing. It always begins with the magic words "racism", "homophobia", w/e stuff like that. Before you know it you get banned for "misgendering" some tranny.
Add the option to mute anyone you want in WormNet, problem solved IMO.
I agree with this 100%. We have enough censorship elsewhere in the world, there is no need to bring that police state to Worms Armageddon. People who advocate for censorship don't love free speech.

If you don't like someone, their values and opinions, you can Ignore and avoid them. WormNET should have filters though. I have a large list of toxic player I have on my personal Ignore list. If I was admin on WormNET, I would not ban them. We should not even encourage this as well. People with common sense would know who to avoid and I would suspect most people on WormNET have common sense. Only the minority are the losing party if we Ignore them. Otherwise we will have people who calls for extreme policies to be made because of the bad actors, who are the minority.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 13, 2024, 05:06 PM
It's not a surprise that toxic people don't like censorship lol.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 13, 2024, 05:34 PM
It's not a surprise that toxic people don't like censorship lol.
Free speech does also have hate speech in it.

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Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: FoxHound on April 13, 2024, 06:35 PM
If you support free speech, then you support hate speech. It's simple as that.

So, you support hate. Disgusting human being.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Gabriel on April 13, 2024, 06:36 PM
so i think W:A had some sort of moderation, i used to join the IRC chat to report impersonators and spammers and there were some people kind of "there", but apparently it was too hard to stop the people from just getting another IP and starting stuff again. this doesn't mean we shouldn't have moderation but it won't solve all of the problems.
If you support free speech, then you support hate speech. It's simple as that.

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you know what's tyranny? forcing most people to deal with impersonators, spammers, people like Rafal. at some point there was a group of argentinians playing this game, they even promoted a chilean hate youtube channel where they basically praised any event where chileans were killed, including earthquakes. if "freedom of speech" means i have to deal with people like these then i'm not quite sure if i agree with it.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 13, 2024, 06:57 PM
you know what's tyranny? forcing most people to deal with impersonators, spammers, people like Rafal. at some point there was a group of argentinians playing this game, they even promoted a chilean hate youtube channel where they basically praised any event where chileans were killed, including earthquakes. if "freedom of speech" means i have to deal with people like these then i'm not quite sure if i agree with it.
That's both disgusting and horrible, I think most people can agree to that. Freedom of speech imo, should be punished by Individual pursuit, not by police state apparatus. Because once you set a rule, you have stifled free speech, and eventually you or anybody else could be motivated to propose to move the goal post even further by adding more rules. Eventually people will be walking on eggshells, because they would not know what constitute an acceptable speech, and opinion. I don't think we would want such society. We may already be feeling it outside of Worms.

You may disagree to the most heinous of opinion, but you have the power to Ignore it, or fight it.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Sbaffo on April 13, 2024, 07:00 PM
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 13, 2024, 11:35 PM
so i think W:A had some sort of moderation, i used to join the IRC chat to report impersonators and spammers and there were some people kind of "there", but apparently it was too hard to stop the people from just getting another IP and starting stuff again. this doesn't mean we shouldn't have moderation but it won't solve all of the problems.

Yeah that's the problem, the bans are temporary bans as well.

Everything needs moderation, everything needs balance... Like it's ok to drink alcohol in moderation as well, doesn't just apply to "law".

Moderation doesn't even inherently oppose freedom, it's actually quite the opposite... Creating an environment where people respect and tolerate each other so they can feel "free" to do things they enjoy doing without worrying about people trying to kill them or judge them in a malicious way for just being nice and trying to have fun playing a video game in a safe environment lol.

you know what's tyranny? forcing most people to deal with impersonators, spammers, people like Rafal. at some point there was a group of argentinians playing this game, they even promoted a chilean hate youtube channel where they basically praised any event where chileans were killed, including earthquakes. if "freedom of speech" means i have to deal with people like these then i'm not quite sure if i agree with it.

Yeah, "freedom of speech" is impossible, and usually whenever I see anybody get obsessed with being against "censorship" and promoting "freedom of speech" it's usually related to something malicious or actual hatred.

Because honestly... Most people are pretty cool if you accept them for who they are and treat them like another chill person, even ripping on each other for fun lol.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 12:06 AM
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Yeah, "freedom of speech" is impossible, and usually whenever I see anybody get obsessed with being against "censorship" and promoting "freedom of speech" it's usually related to something malicious or actual hatred.
Well that's your opinion of course. I stand completely opposite here. People who advocates for censorship are usual evil people.

The question is, what do you want to censor? What words and phrases do you want to be censored? And who? Is it a person who has expressed their opinion on a political and Ideological belief? Someone who doesn't align with your world view? Someone who uses words that YOU find offensive? Or perhaps you want to censor and ban your everyday troll who purses Innocent players and disrupts their everyday activity here on WA? I don't think this is enough reason alone to commit any actions against. The perpetrators take responsibility when they commit atrocities in our society. We as a society here on WA and as such we should also take responsibility individually of our action. In real life, these people would be serious hurt though.

Sob stories, and emotional blackmail should not be catalyst for censorship.- Censorship and bans should be very limited, to a small group of people: Pedophiles and Terrorists. But to ban someone who called you out for whatever reason? Or to ban someone you had a random dispute about whatever? No way. If someone said something you don't like, get over it, it is life. We are not a nanny nor a police state, and we shouldn't be. All good people normally don't associate themselves with toxic people. You just have to use common sense and avoid the trash that is out there. This is why I think filter option would be great for WA.

You should not obsess about a random Insult given by a random person online. Because that random person doesn't mean anything to your life. Only the people you made good friends with. These are the people that matters, their words matter more than a random person's words.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 12:29 AM
Well that's your opinion of course. I stand completely opposite here. People who advocates for censorship are usual evil people.

That's not an opinion it's a universal fact lol.

Look at the google result you get when you type in "Freedom of speech". "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction." In order to have "freedom of speech" you're stripping away another persons rights to express themselves, and if that expression is to shut you up, or punch you in the face, then checkmate.

You cannot have freedom of speech because there are literal consequences to every single word you think, write, speak, or say in any other form of communication or existence. Nothing in life is "free" because at the very least it costs us time and process, cause and effect.

Freedom of speech is more about protecting minorities to make them feel more like part of humanity, instead of outcasts.

You should not obsess about a random Insult given by a random person online. Because that random person doesn't mean anything to your life. Only the people you made good friends with. These are the people that matters, their words matter more than a random person's words.

If you were to take your own advice, you wouldn't be even having this conversation.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 12:55 AM
This is still your opinion and it is recognized as such.

Freedom of speech is not about protecting minority. ''Minorities are about choking freedom of speech.'' Helpful idiots, and people who speaks for minority's sake, are those who forces the majority on their knees. This cripples the society and makes it gradually fall.

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You cannot have freedom of speech because there are literal consequences to every single word you think, write, speak, or say in any other form of communication or existence. Nothing in life is "free" because at the very least it costs us time and process, cause and effect.
You always have a choice, and each choice may have a repercussion to it which is something that YOU are responsible of. People will always have a choice. So if you start to restrict freedom of speech, movement, what have you, people would not want to face consequence. Perhaps that's your point? Well obviously, it is just human. As I mentioned earlier, restricting freedom of speech is a slippery slope, eventually you will have a police state.  I am just advocating that people should be responsible of their own actions and face the music of it, and not have big brother executing judgment.


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If you were to take your own advice, you wouldn't be even having this conversation.
This conversation matters to me, and everyone else who loves freedom in general. What you are endorsing here is evil. I do not wish for such full measure on WormNET. So I am here to speak out for people to read and come with their own conclusion.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: MonkeyIsland on April 14, 2024, 06:59 AM
Freedom of speech is defined within a community/society. Freedom of speech in a country is different than WormNET. You must first define what your target community is about and help it to grow in that direction. You can't use your prescription for real life society for WormNET as well.

WormNET is about W:A and activity of W:A. Basically the community of W:A players who want to enjoy the game together. You have age range roughly 10 to 50.

- Does it help your community to talk about right/left political agendas? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about Hitler? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about religion? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)

People tend to leave your community when they don't like its atmosphere. It is not about growing a pair and being tough. It's not about ignoring what you don't like. TRUST ME! I've ran this show for 15+ years. People have left the community in front of my eyes. Many of those who left were not even the target of some beef. They just didn't like the atmosphere of people pulling each other's hair.

- DarkOne (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/DarkOne/) was one of them. He was a GEM! He said he got frustrated with certain behaviors and one day he was fed up and done.
- Peja (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Peja/) left for a long long time. His quitting reasons had NOTHING to do with W:A itself but over some toxic discussions and me failing to realize absolute freedom of speech eventually contradicts itself. (yes TUS had a high degree of freedom of speech in the past)
- Gabriel (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Gabriel/) left the game on and off. Luckily he's still with us, but look:
oh my god now i remember why i stopped playing this game
it was better when you could just chill with random players in the lobby and meet cool, interesting, and most importantly, humble people. you're just a bunch of conflictive and narcissistic fossils now

and these examples are known wormers. There are newcomers who won't bother and boy we have lots of cringe worthy beefs. WormNET moderation is a MUST and its sole purpose should be to keep a friendly atmosphere. We don't want to be an ancient mysterious game like Jumanji. We want new blood and a safe/cozy WormNET is the way to go.

p.s
Freedom of speech is like a farm. You have chicken, duck, geese, cows, donkeys, horses, pigs... and the farmer. They tolerate each other and the farm functions.
Absolute 100% freedom of speech is like introducing a few cobras in that farm. (The cobras will make all the animals stronger and they build character... oh and the farm produces twice as much.)
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Zalo the moler on April 14, 2024, 09:10 AM
Bad idea IMO, people who can't cope with a few no-no words on a computer screen are the ones who create a toxic environment is what we all should have learned these last few years. If you're gonna start banning people from playing WA because they said something whoever the moderator is finds offensive, I think we're gonna lose a lot of wormers, entirely possible I could be banned too, after 20 years of playing. It always begins with the magic words "racism", "homophobia", w/e stuff like that. Before you know it you get banned for "misgendering" some tranny.
Add the option to mute anyone you want in WormNet, problem solved IMO.
^ this guy right here! Perfectly said!

EDIT:
It's not a surprise that toxic people don't like censorship lol.
Komito, your toxicity literally made me quit WA.exe from 2018 to 2021. And yet you show your true colors here in this thread insulting people who have different opinion... Do you see the irony?

Was I toxic myself? Sure I was. I have no trouble admitting that. But can you just let people disagree with you at least one time without insulting them, Komito? Or is it too hard for you?

So, you support hate. Disgusting human being.
I'm glad that you stand against the hate speech FoxHound... *sigh*
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 09:46 AM
Freedom of speech is defined within a community/society. Freedom of speech in a country is different than WormNET. You must first define what your target community is about and help it to grow in that direction. You can't use your prescription for real life society for WormNET as well.

WormNET is about W:A and activity of W:A. Basically the community of W:A players who want to enjoy the game together. You have age range roughly 10 to 50.

- Does it help your community to talk about right/left political agendas? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about Hitler? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about religion? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)

People tend to leave your community when they don't like its atmosphere. It is not about growing a pair and being tough. It's not about ignoring what you don't like. TRUST ME! I've ran this show for 15+ years. People have left the community in front of my eyes. Many of those who left were not even the target of some beef. They just didn't like the atmosphere of people pulling each other's hair.

- DarkOne (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/DarkOne/) was one of them. He was a GEM! He said he got frustrated with certain behaviors and one day he was fed up and done.
- Peja (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Peja/) left for a long long time. His quitting reasons had NOTHING to do with W:A itself but over some toxic discussions and me failing to realize absolute freedom of speech eventually contradicts itself. (yes TUS had a high degree of freedom of speech in the past)
- Gabriel (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Gabriel/) left the game on and off. Luckily he's still with us, but look:
and these examples are known wormers. There are newcomers who won't bother and boy we have lots of cringe worthy beefs. WormNET moderation is a MUST and its sole purpose should be to keep a friendly atmosphere. We don't want to be an ancient mysterious game like Jumanji. We want new blood and a safe/cozy WormNET is the way to go.

p.s
Freedom of speech is like a farm. You have chicken, duck, geese, cows, donkeys, horses, pigs... and the farmer. They tolerate each other and the farm functions.
Absolute 100% freedom of speech is like introducing a few cobras in that farm. (The cobras will make all the animals stronger and they build character... oh and the farm produces twice as much.)
The topic freedom of speech is a very Important value to me and I can get very passionate about it. I applied my core principle of freedom to WormNET and not elsewhere and got carried away. WormNET is Indeed a place where all ages come and go. Kids and teens should not have to be targeted, drawn in, and see barrages of Inappropriate messages by their equal aged and older.

We are older, and perhaps a little wiser. That's why I'd like to propose an adult (unmoderated/unfiltered) channel on WormNET. Such a channel would be hidden by default in the Network settings. Those who would risk to open this channel would do it on their own volition. In general nothing is airtight Including parenting control. At least there would be a system in place.

Ultimately I agree that WormNET is not a place to discuss this and that, to have a behavioral Identity that could upset others

I do sympathize with those who have chosen to leave WA though. I myself have left groups and avoided people to spare my sanity. There is certain type of people you just want to avoid. Nobody asked you to stick around to endure these people's vanity. That is why I always stick to good people.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Triad on April 14, 2024, 10:13 AM
- Does it help your community to talk about right/left political agendas? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about Hitler? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
- Does it help to talk about religion? (in society: YES, in WormNET: NO)
Absolutely. Not to mention, even if you want to talk about these topics with your fellow wormers, there's nothing stopping you from doing it elsewhere, like on a Discord server.

People tend to leave your community when they don't like its atmosphere. It is not about growing a pair and being tough. It's not about ignoring what you don't like. TRUST ME! I've ran this show for 15+ years. People have left the community in front of my eyes. Many of those who left were not even the target of some beef. They just didn't like the atmosphere of people pulling each other's hair.
100% truth! You can add me to that list as well. Before my return around December 2023, the last time I was properly active was in 2019. I quit back then because 1) A good portion of my wormer friends became inactive. 2) I had unpleasant experiences with some wormers, directly and indirectly.

You may call me a p*ssy or whatever for quitting for these reasons, but honestly, I have finite time in this world and near infinite ways I can spend that time, so why should I settle for a shittier option?

And you know what made me return? Friends! Adame, aka LeTotalKiller, messaged me around November and we had a bit of a chat after not speaking to each other for a year or two. We reminisced about the good times we had and decided to make a comeback. So yes, atmosphere is EVERYTHING! Moreso for a 25 years old game like W:A.

The topic freedom of speech is a very Important value to me and I can get very passionate about it.
I understand how you feel, Kradie. I live in a country where almost all political parties seem to adapt an authoritarian approach, whether they lean left or right, and I saw the negative consequences of it, so I also prefer freedom/liberty whenever possible. But considering WormNET, and how much people at top (MI, Deadcode, etc.) listen to community, I don't think we will ever have an oppresive police state in W:A. It is a valid concern, but I don't think no moderation is the way to go.

Unlike country politics where everyone abides to same laws, you can always create your own community. There is nothing stopping anyone to create their own TUS. Also, W:A already gives so much freedom. For example, replay system allows anyone to start their own competitive outlet. If I don't like the way leagues/cups/tournaments/challenges work on TUS, I can create my own (and I actually created a private UC league with a different ELO system).
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 11:15 AM
@Kradie

The most important thing I want to address first from Kradie:

You always have a choice, and each choice may have a repercussion to it which is something that YOU are responsible of. People will always have a choice. So if you start to restrict freedom of speech, movement, what have you, people would not want to face consequence.

I want YOU to at least have the chance to become educated in reality, at least if you had a chance, nobody can say "Well, he didn't have a chance did he?".

"You always have a choice, and each choice may have a repercussion to it which is something that YOU are responsible of"

To begin with, there is no "may", there are 100%, definitely, unequivocally repercussions to EVERYTHING. This is how the universe works, this is called "The Butterfly Effect / Chaos Theory". Every single action, thought, EVERYTHING you do, influences the entire planet. Every time new life arrives into existence on our planet, we are ALL responsible for how it turns out because of the butterfly effect.

EVERYTHING affects EVERYTHING ELSE... EVERYTHING influences EVERYTHING ELSE, directly and indirectly, but everything is connected one way or another.

People always have a choice, though this is the crucial thing you NEED to learn... Not with everything! Because the way the universe works... This is why people can overpower other people, 100 people shouting is louder than 1 person shouting. This is why we have competition, winners and losers.

I strongly believe, personally, there is no scientific evidence for this that I know of, yet... There is no such thing as individual free will, but we have mutual free will because we cannot even exist without essentially male and female reproductive systems, there is of course parthenogenesis however that still includes, yep, you guessed it, multiple things working together! This is mutual, not individual. Your whole body isn't even individual, you share it with other living beings.

Not to mention that:

For the most part, for "normal" behaviour, rape is not a choice, being murdered is not a choice, even being born is not a choice.

If you believe in freedom of speech, and call someone an idiot to their face, and even if you didn't "choose" it to happen, you will momentary have a very high possibility of being punched in the face and having your nose broke.



What Kradie doesn't realize, or seem to show an understanding of, is a massive simple truth of the reality that we all share and live in, is that there are limits to EVERYTHING...

He says "That's your opinion", but it's not an opinion, it's a UNIVERSAL FACT, I mean, try going up to a Lion, start shouting at him that he's an ugly useless rodent Kradie, see how far you get! The same thing applies to humans - THERE ARE LIMITS:

There is a limit to how much alcohol a person can consume before they become inebriated, pass out, or worse need to be hospitalized.

There is a limit to how much physical exercise you can do in any one session before you cannot take it anymore and collapse breathing wildly out of breath.

There is a limit to how long we live before we die, how much pain we can tolerate before we scream or cry, also how much pleasure we can tolerate before we try to wriggle free.

There is a limit to what we can say without it being negative to other people.

I'm glad MonkeyIsland summed it up nicely and made the point about atmosphere and yes I'm not perfect, nobody is, everybody gets into little beefs now and again which for the most part is fine... As the main thing I was going to say when I returned is that, yes, you can literally say anything you can think of but think of it this way:

You have inherent individual free speech while you do not inherently have mutual freedom of speech, which means, you can say what you want while you're alone, but when you are with other people you need to co-exist with them peacefully.

You need to abide by your parents rule when you live with them, you need to abide by your town/country rules when you live there. Freedom of speech isn't there so everyone can just say LITERALLY anything they want, it's there to support the notion that we ALL deserve a say and to try and live together peacefully.

The whole point of freedom of speech is so we can co-exist as peacefully as possible, NOT the opposite which Kradie believes for some weird reason, this is something I wish I could help him learn because I believe he'd be happier if he understood this.

It's when those beefs are prolonged or when a beef turns into full on bullying and hatred that's a problem. For the most part that stems from insecurity. As MonkeyIsland has said... I've got fed up myself a number of times and while I may only disappear for months instead of years it's still frustrating when you genuinely want to see people get along with each other.

I've known good friends to quit because they got fed up logging on and seeing petty fights, including petty fights I'm involved in!



@Zalo

Komito, your toxicity literally made me quit WA.exe from 2018 to 2021. And yet you show your true colors here in this thread insulting people who have different opinion... Do you see the irony?

See, that's something there, I still strongly believe I didn't do anything seriously wrong but make fun of the entire situation that you were in with Daina...

This actually bothered me a little bit because the irony was in you blaming me yet me being the only person who was actually defending you, I was the only one who was talking about Mole Shopper in a positive manner saying that Zalo had legit skills... Yet you blamed me alone for you wanting to leave because I made some jokes on stream...

There's a difference between just trying to have a laugh with people, and deliberately trying to hurt someones feelings.

Also, you brought that on yourself when you talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk Zalo, you said you could beat ANYONE if they trained for 2 weeks, then when Daina took the time to actually take on your bet, you cancelled it and that made a few people pretty angry.

I made fun of the situation, you took it personally.

That being said, I genuinely felt guilty and actually apologized to you because by nature I'm a bit of a class clown, always trying to do silly, stupid things to make people laugh and make light of situations... I grew up with a lot of suffering and having a very big sense of humour is a huge coping mechanism.

None of it was ever intended to genuinely make you feel bad and I'm sorry for that...

To this day, I still make fun of Mole Shopper but yet I still praise it, and I've praised you personally on stream highly as well.

But can you just let people disagree with you at least one time without insulting them, Komito? Or is it too hard for you?

I do not insult people every time they disagree with me LOL! It's strange to me that people can carry ONE example of negativity with them for so long, yet quickly forget about all the praise, positivity and time/help you offer/gave them. The only drama I saw between us was the whole Daina Mole Shopper thing, though as I said, you kind of brought that on yourself with the way you acted.

It sucks that you got so offended by that, it's one of these situations that's not even offensive, but rather embarassing when you're the one being made fun of and everyone is laughing at you, but you have no problem laughing at other people when they are the ones being singled out in an embarassing way. It's actually part of what makes it so funny, it's like some kind of ritual that most people go through, I've had it happen to me many times growing up, honestly, I've done some REALLY embarassing things that would make you look like a chad lmao.

I'm not going to deny, I'm not perfect, my life is a journey and I'm always trying to better myself, but sometimes yes someone says something that I find extremely toxic or full of lies and I feel the need to say something about it... Yes I've directly insulted people in the past if they've barked first.

I try my best not to directly insult people out of nowhere, at least not intentionally with the intention of being malicious. Usually them feeling insulted is due to the way I say things like:

"Don't act stupid" - This isn't me trying to insult them, it's me saying that the thing they did is literally stupid... Not that THEY are stupid, there's a difference, clever people can do stupid things and I do them all the time LOL!

Also, another huge part of why some people are on edge with me is because of how much I type, or how I never give up then they start using actual ad-hominems so then I retaliate with ad-hominems. Maybe I feel fine saying stuff like that to other people because I'm my own worst critique, anything anyone has ever said to me I've said worse to myself.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Zalo the moler on April 14, 2024, 11:30 AM
I confess my sins, and opt to be a better less toxic human being.

I also encourage people to disagree with me and have their own opinions, that I could learn from, as I am a mere human being, and I might be in the wrong, both in the present and in the future.

Btw, views of Kradie and mine are actually incompatible (my tests show me leaning 52% Left and 48% Right). But the fact is that he believes in the world where freedom of speech would help people. That is his view. Calling him "Toxic" or "Disgusting Human being" is the actual hate speech, that you guys want to ban people for.

We are in 2024. Not everybody needs to think the same. Please don't crucify people for not thinking the same.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 12:02 PM
@Komodo

I said ''may'' because I was not talking about quantum, physics. If you said something inappropriate to someone they would have a choice to react to it. It is
entirely circumstantial. E.g: If you said something horrible to me, I would have a choice to respond or to Ignore. Not many people FEEL they have a choice because of circumstances they find themselves in. The people who LEFT the game out of their own volition. That was THEIR choice. This is something I can sympathize with. But if you start to add rules, you give people little choice but to comply because of herde mentality. Making a choice will become Impossible out of fear of being ostracized.

People always have a choice. I already know this.

Obviously you should not exercise and abuse freedom of speech publicly with animosity. You shouldn't even seek out the random guy and start fight with. I mean you technically can, but no one in their right state of mind would do that.

Animals does not possess reasoning skills as humans. This analogy is flawed and ridiculous.

These examples of yours are Insane though. Everyone knows there is a limit, but the choice will always be there no matter what. The bottle of vodka can be found at the liqour store if you so choose it. The gym around the corner will still be there if you choose to continue to push yourself. You assume too much.


We all know that good parents who has provided their kids with good guard rails for their kids, will behave decent in society. If you can respect and abide by your parents authority, you can do so in society. This is how you honor your parents. You do this by behaving decent to others. So this is nothing new to me Komodo. Not many people are raised properly, ergo their morals and behavior is Incompatible with a civilized society.

Freedom of Speech is not controlled speech. Just be rational and don't see out trouble.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 12:36 PM
I AM HERE TO CLARIFY TO YOU DEAR READER

"If you support free speech, you need to understand that it will also involve hate speech".

I think it was necessary correction to my second post here in this topic.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 12:47 PM
Calling him "Toxic" or "Disgusting Human being" is the actual hate speech, that you guys want to ban people for.

I didn't call Kradie a disgusting human being... Neither did I directly call him toxic here. I called everybody toxic lol.

I said, specifically:

It's not a surprise that toxic people don't like censorship lol.

Also, Zalo, don't worry about it, we're good now! :-*

I also don't consider you toxic, at all.

But if you start to add rules, you give people little choice but to comply because of herde mentality. Making a choice will become Impossible out of fear of being ostracized.

Kradie, you seem to constantly be living in the "now", with no gratitude to the past and future.

Without rules, without guidance, without "standards" and "limits" we wouldn't even be sitting here having this conversation.

As a living being, alive, in this universe, we NEED rules, we NEED guidance, in order to learn how to survive and thrive together on this little blue ball called Earth.

If you don't give anyone any rules, emotions, experiences, and objectives to follow in life, they may feel like they never have any purpose.

Also - EVERYTHING IS A REMIX!

This is important because the only reason we know how to do ANYTHING, is due to the environment we exist in teaching us how to do everything we know how to do.

Saying that you give people little choice, it's the complete opposite! By adding rules, we now know what to do and don't do which gives us MORE choice! To either obey, or disobey, but either choice has consequences.

You really need to understand this more if you want to live a more fulfilling life, I believe.

Obviously you should not exercise and abuse freedom of speech publicly with animosity. You shouldn't even seek out the random guy and start fight with. I mean you technically can, but no one in their right state of mind would do that.

Exactly, even in your own words there is no such thing as freedom of speech because "no one in their right state of mind" would do that.

That is the point exactly! You wouldn't go up to someone you love and care about that you hate them and you're going to kill them.

This is why freedom of choice is an illusion, it's nice to know you CAN say anything you want, but that you have control over that power because you have to in order to co-exist, otherwise people won't ever help you, and you will die alone.

Animals does not possess reasoning skills as humans. This analogy is flawed and ridiculous.

Just because animals do not possess the same intelligence as humans, does not make the analogy flawed and ridiculous.

Extreme, yes, but ridiculous, no.

The point is that you know you wouldn't employ "freedom of speech" or even act without caution in the presence of a Lion. It's the same in real life with humans, you can sit there and talk about freedom of speech all you want, but I'm pretty sure we all know that deep down Kradie, you would not actually say what's on your mind in many situations out of survival instinct, this is something that we all share.

This alone is proof there is no such thing as freedom of speech, it's an illusion, like being "independent" lol.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Triad on April 14, 2024, 12:51 PM
I didn't call Kradie a disgusting human being...
I think he means FoxHound's message in this thread.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 01:16 PM
If you think you have taught me something then you have sorely underestimated me.

Dinner with Komodo.


Kradie in a Komodo world.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 01:30 PM
Kradie, everything you ever interact with teaches you something on some level.

It's just funny how you talk about limiting other peoples life with "rules" when your beliefs are more limited than most people I've seen here.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 02:01 PM
Kradie, everything you ever interact with teaches you something on some level.

It's just funny how you talk about limiting other peoples life with "rules" when your beliefs are more limited than most people I've seen here.
I never expressed the desire to limit people. I am the most expressive person there is. I don't care what people think of me. If they like me then that's cool, if they don't then that's cool too.

We both have said our opinions here, that's enough. Your views are similar to mine anyway. It just happen I don't support choking speech.

We should have a poll here. Do you support wormnet moderation?
- Yes
- No
- Only filters
- Adult channel (AG is moderated).
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Zalo the moler on April 14, 2024, 02:02 PM
It's just funny how you talk about limiting other peoples life with "rules" when your beliefs are more limited than most people I've seen here.

or... maybe you just assume the worst in people?

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwN0h3sF/Kradie.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/50X7Bz8b/Kradie2.png)
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 02:29 PM
or... maybe you just assume the worst in people?

Nah not really, these things are based on experience knowing Kradie for a long time and seeing how he thinks in general. Also note that I did not say it's bad to have more limited beliefs. This seems to happen a lot around here, people making assumptions that what is being said is bad.

Sometimes limits are very positive and you can gain a lot from them.

For example, he looks at using parachute in Roper as "like using crutches" that we are inferior for using parachute. Though the funny thing is by using a parachute you actually increase the human skill cap meaning we can push ourselves faster, harder, more consistently. Similar to how professional racing drivers use safety features like seat belts, roll cages and in some cases like drag racing, literal parachutes lol!

It's good to have variety, while I sit here talking about rules etc, It is in the sense that also advocate free thinking, to push your own barriers and limits as much as possible.

The fact that you rope without any safety measures, like climbing up a mountain without ropes and harnasses, puts you at greater risk, and this awareness of risk makes you more careful and cautious. To many this is boring... But not to all! That's why it's variety!

Kradie has a lot of these beliefs, that are ironic and contradictive to his very reasoning for believing in them. All I've ever tried to do is show him a more powerful perspective that could elevate his own skills and success in life.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 02:56 PM
Nah not really, these things are based on experience knowing Kradie for a long time and seeing how he thinks in general. Also note that I did not say it's bad to have more limited beliefs. This seems to happen a lot around here, people making assumptions that what is being said is bad.

Sometimes limits are very positive and you can gain a lot from them.

For example, he looks at using parachute in Roper as "like using crutches" that we are inferior for using parachute. Though the funny thing is by using a parachute you actually increase the human skill cap meaning we can push ourselves faster, harder, more consistently. Similar to how professional racing drivers use safety features like seat belts, roll cages and in some cases like drag racing, literal parachutes lol!

It's good to have variety, while I sit here talking about rules etc, It is in the sense that also advocate free thinking, to push your own barriers and limits as much as possible.

The fact that you rope without any safety measures, like climbing up a mountain without ropes and harnasses, puts you at greater risk, and this awareness of risk makes you more careful and cautious. To many this is boring... But not to all! That's why it's variety!

Kradie has a lot of these beliefs, that are ironic and contradictive to his very reasoning for believing in them. All I've ever tried to do is show him a more powerful perspective that could elevate his own skills and success in life.

You don't know me though. A couple of weeks ago I remember you came to my game for the first time out of your own volition. You said I was much more ''nicer'' here compared to the forums. A forum is a place where people engage in various of topics that Interest them. You have obviously painted Inaccurate depiction of me while also likely received words from others which are one sided. In reality, you don't know ''me''. You never hung with me. Because you assume the worst of people with the Intel you see. But not everything is as it seems. I think I may not be the only one who you paint Inaccurately in public.

Let me tell you what I think of YOU based on what I have observed only here on the forums. You have a massive ego that fueled by self-righteousness. You judge and berate people if they differ with you. You come across as this white knight on a horse waving the sword of truth. You overwhelm people with sermons and obvious speeches. Nobody likes that.

Perhaps what I said is just ''opinion''. Perhaps someone will say otherwise. But remember, this is what I have observed here on these forums.

And I can see you can't let go this whole parachute discussion. Parachute is a clutch, it is a baby's diaper. You're a grown man, you can walk without it and not have the fear to fall on your ass.

Show me a more powerful perspective? You assume I don't know them? Some of your post elsewhere makes sense to me. Sometime you should accept that other people have a different world view than your own.

What happened to agree to disagree? It is very Important to understand all sides if you don't agree.

I believe in free speech, you do not.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 03:10 PM
Because you assume the worst of people with the Intel you see.

No, YOU think I assume the worst of people, though I don't.

I judge you based on what I've seen first hand, and yes online in games you're much more pleasant to be around, me too probably because we both talk less and play more lol.

Admittedly, I think you're a lot nicer these days than some years ago, though I can say the same for myself lol.


Let me tell you what I think of YOU based on what I have observed only here on the forums. You have a massive ego that fueled by self-righteousness. You judge and berate people if they differ with you. You come across as this white knight on a horse waving the sword of truth. You overwhelm people with sermons and obvious speeches. Nobody likes that.

Yeah that's fine, there are quite a number of people who think of me that way, generally speaking it comes with the territory of being actively confrontational.

Judge, yes, though I don't agree with "berate" as I don't condemn people who differ from me. That's something that you do, case in point what you said here with the following about "baby's diaper":


Perhaps what I said is just ''opinion''. Perhaps someone will say otherwise. But remember, this is what I have observed here on these forums.

And I can see you can't let go this whole parachute discussion. Parachute is a clutch, it is a baby's diaper. You're a grown man, you can walk without it and not have the fear to fall on your ass.


Using the parachute emulates a more realistic environment than playing without one just like real life sports that use safety equipment to escalate their strength and agility.

You  keep saying it's a clutch while failing to realize it's significance, importance and usefulness.

Your mistake is thinking people NEED it to just play, they don't need it, but it makes them more powerful, it's a tool, not a clutch lol.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: h3oCharles on April 14, 2024, 04:37 PM
+1 do what MI said on he first page. we're supposed to be here to chill and play a game and have some sportsmanship, not talk about politics. there are better places for that
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 04:39 PM
@Komodo

I am nicer today? Wow.. Thanks? You clearly never knew me  :D

If I was worse before, then I really got lucky recruiting people to ZaR.

We can just agree to disagree about freedom, parachute and animals.. There is no point at this time to go any further. Unless if someone else has something to say.

+1 do what MI said on he first page. we're supposed to be here to chill and play a game and have some sportsmanship, not talk about politics. there are better places for that
If two or more dudes are playing a game on their own, they have the rights to talk about whatever. If there are more people present, they should leave if they don't like the topic.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 04:53 PM
If two or more dudes are playing a game on their own, they have the rights to talk about whatever. If there are more people present, they should leave if they don't like the topic.

Well that depends on where it is. Like, you wouldn't be going into someone elses house saying stuff they don't want to hear and expect them to leave their own house lol. As MI said, as I said, and as others have said... Environment is very important, every environment has their own laws/rules/guidelines, it would be wise to follow them.

If you want to speak about anything in the privacy of a friend, that's between you 2 alone. The moment you step into the public you're part of the public, and the public will hold you responsible if you don't co-exist peacefully. It's not like you even have a choice when you are in someone else's domain, your 2 choices are to either follow their rules or they will forcibly remove you one way or another.

If someone comes into your house, and they aren't comfortable, yes, they should leave. Though if you go into someone elses house and start making them feel uncomfortable, you should leave.

That's why freedom of choice, freedom of speech are illusions... While yes you can literally say and do anything you want, we all know there are certain times and places we wouldn't say or do specific things out of survival and the willingness to co-exist peacefully.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: raffie on April 14, 2024, 05:45 PM
I personally hope we will never start banning people from this already small community, from this silly little game we all love. And if there are those who cannot cope with certain things typed in WormNet, again, why not have an option to mute users.

if only we could get rid of them off the face of the Earth entirely then we'd be cooking with gas.

That's not an opinion it's a universal fact lol.

These are both kind of red flags IMO
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 06:28 PM
I personally hope we will never start banning people from this already small community, from this silly little game we all love. And if there are those who cannot cope with certain things typed in WormNet, again, why not have an option to mute users.

I actually agree, I hope we don't have to resort to banning people either.

Though, if people become too hostile towards others, they will eventually draw attention from some kind of authority.

An option to mute users would be better than nothing, but the ability to ban people who are too extreme would be better.

When I said off the face of the Earth I'm saying "I believe the world would be a better place without toxic people", it's not like I'd send them all into space without a space suit or anything lol.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 07:13 PM

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Well that depends on where it is. Like, you wouldn't be going into someone elses house saying stuff they don't want to hear and expect them to leave their own house lol. As MI said, as I said, and as others have said... Environment is very important, every environment has their own laws/rules/guidelines, it would be wise to follow them.

If you are the host it becomes your house and that makes it your domain. I am a kind and welcoming host (to most). People know what they will get when they join with me and that's normally a good time. How do I maintain a healthy environment in my host? To be decent and kind. Treat others just as you want to be treated. So if people just apply some common sense then laws and rules won't be necessary. There won't be any reason to choke freedom of speech. I always cast toxic people away and I Ignore them too. Anyone can do this. Why wouldn't anyone do this?

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If you want to speak about anything in the privacy of a friend, that's between you 2 alone. The moment you step into the public you're part of the public, and the public will hold you responsible if you don't co-exist peacefully. It's not like you even have a choice when you are in someone else's domain, your 2 choices are to either follow their rules or they will forcibly remove you one way or another.
If WormNET is the street outside your home, then your home is the host room. If you step outside you would be wise to watch your mouth. No one in their right mind in real life would seek out a random person and talk shit to them. Anyone can wander through a public street and they can hear anything they like or don't like. But you shouldn't care for that, it is just noise. You focus on task at hand, find a game with like minded people and have a good time.

Imagine Komodo, you are a civilian walking down the street. You can hear two white dudes sitting outside at cafe chilling rambling about whatever. Out of nowhere you can hear one of them say the ''N'' word clearly. What would you choose to do as a civilian? Call the police? Intervene in their discussion?
And let's say you were an officer of the law Komodo, what would you do in that situation? Would you arrest them for saying a word you don't like? Or imagine something else said you didn't like. What would you do?

You remind me of Kira from Death Note Komodo. DELETE DELETE DEEEEEEEEEEEEELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETE!
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheWalrus on April 15, 2024, 12:10 AM
I didn't read everything here, but wormnet and TUS are not an absolute democracy.  Freedom of speech is not a guaranteed right.  If you are an asshole promoting non-inclusive hate speech, you should f@#! right off.  Just my opinion though. 
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 15, 2024, 12:22 AM
I didn't read everything here, but wormnet and TUS are not an absolute democracy.  Freedom of speech is not a guaranteed right.  If you are an asshole promoting non-inclusive hate speech, you should f@#! right off.  Just my opinion though.
I AM HERE TO CLARIFY TO YOU DEAR READER

"If you support free speech, you need to understand that it will also involve hate speech".

I think it was necessary correction to my second post here in this topic.
Who wants to be around such people anyway? He would just make a bad reputation of themselves. Oddly enough.. There are people who appear to be normal who loves to be in an toxic asshole's presence because they are ''entertaining'' to them. Imo, it only validates them and give them more reason to be an asshole.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: FoxHound on April 15, 2024, 11:48 PM
I read the whole discussion this time. Lately I'm not reading them. I liked a lot what Komito wrote about the limits of the world and the living beings. Beautiful stuff. Sad that Kradie and some other people's mind are not open to understand this.

In my opinion Zalo is the most sensitive wormer I've ever "seen" and probably one of the most sensitive people I've ever contacted with.

I really feel very sad to see some opinions here on TUS, from people I always imagined as one of the most cool people of WormNET, until read their opinions here. I won't cite names.

I don't wanna talk about politics here, as MI many times expressed his experience in the moderation of this website for so many years. This is not the best place to talk about this stuff. Well, but the war that recently Iran is involved might affect TUS. This is not a choice of us.

Animals are not as smart as a human being that not only is smart but can use tools, communicate better than many animals and live in society. But, they are very similar to us and have some unique differences. There are Chimpanzees that were taught sign language and they can communicate with human beings and even create words using an official language. You call these apes irrational? Are human beings that special? We are mammals, apes with smartphones and some people use the technology we have from centuries and centuries of deep science to propagate fake news and anti-science stuff. I think chimps are smarter than these people.

And I keep what I wrote about Kradie. What he wrote was absurd and stupid. And what he fixed about what he wrote is still stupid. A democracy can only exist with Freedom of Speech. Hate Speech is not Freedom of Speech. Hate Speech destroys Freedom of Speech as people group together to think that hating a minority (like Jews for example) is something ok. Until there was something called holocaust. So a democracy can only exist without hate Speech. Freedom of Speech is only freedom when you can be a minority without people hating you for being born this way. Freedom of Speech exists but it has limits to exist. And when I say it exists I say that it exists because you have more freedom than a dictatorship or an authoritarian government, but even the best democracy with freedom of speech has rules and many limitations, including the influence of other countries, historical context, capitalism, inequality and all stuff we haven't chosen.

All animals only live because there are rules regarding the ecosystem they live. The Alpha chimp is a leader, a president that organizes a community of chimps with rules. The difference is that we have bigger populations specially after Neolithic, so our rules are more numerous and complex than the chimps and the other living beings.

Kradie didn't say sorry to me when he used WA community to encourage 8th January Brazil's coup attempt using fake news and videos on his own server with hundreds of WA players there. I thought he got better than the past, I agree with Komo, but now reading the stuff he is writing here I think he is indeed a disgusting living being.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: preduestniq on April 16, 2024, 12:24 AM
plz make the possibility of registrating nicknames with passwords and a login system bridge to wormnet.. linked and possibly in connection with the TUS site, or a discord server. with the toxic trolls gone, that would also improve the environment alltogether

Would be highly useful to get rid of impersonators. They're (one of) the biggest problem(s) of WormNET imo.
For the known TUS players, it seems to me, impersonators ain't a problem at all cuz the known TUS players know well each other and it's obviously for them when some troll tries to impersonate any of them. But for new players and/or for those who have no (known) TUS account the impersonators are the big problem.

Btw afaik in Hedgewars (a WA clone (ain't played it much and ain't a big fan of it however)) there already are the possibility of registering nicknames linked to the game's website, it's a pity there still ain't the same thing in WA.

Agreed... That, and proper moderation of WormNET to create a safer environment for young people who would otherwise be pushed away by negativity and toxicity.

I think everyone here will agree that a friendly environment without toxic people would be the best for all, not only for young people. But it seems to me (at least for now) it's too difficult to make a proper moderation in WormNET to get rid of toxicity without possible limiting or even complete destroying the freedom of speech in future. Probably would be better getting back to this topic later when the possibility of registering nicknames linked to TUS is officially applied to WA.

I've lost count of the amount of people who told me they stopped playing due to racism, homophobia and bigotry on WormNET.

People tend to leave your community when they don't like its atmosphere. It is not about growing a pair and being tough. It's not about ignoring what you don't like. TRUST ME! I've ran this show for 15+ years. People have left the community in front of my eyes. Many of those who left were not even the target of some beef. They just didn't like the atmosphere of people pulling each other's hair.

- DarkOne (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/DarkOne/) was one of them. He was a GEM! He said he got frustrated with certain behaviors and one day he was fed up and done.
- Peja (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Peja/) left for a long long time. His quitting reasons had NOTHING to do with W:A itself but over some toxic discussions and me failing to realize absolute freedom of speech eventually contradicts itself. (yes TUS had a high degree of freedom of speech in the past)
- Gabriel (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Gabriel/) left the game on and off. Luckily he's still with us, but look:
and these examples are known wormers. There are newcomers who won't bother and boy we have lots of cringe worthy beefs. WormNET moderation is a MUST and its sole purpose should be to keep a friendly atmosphere. We don't want to be an ancient mysterious game like Jumanji. We want new blood and a safe/cozy WormNET is the way to go.

100% truth! You can add me to that list as well.

Add me too.
Btw just in case if anyone is interested who I am. None of you don't know me and it's not a surprise since I never was active on TUS at all, just created an account a long time ago only to test the TUS' online scheme editor.
I've played WA online at least hundreds of hours starting from the summer update in 2020. Didn't become a pro player though, especially in rope schemes.

Never played WA online before 2020, but played pretty much offline irl with my friends and without them in 2011-2012, oh I miss those times so much... Also never really liked WA before 2020, my first and favorite game was (and still is) Worms Reloaded (the PC version of Worms 2 Armageddon), I have so many inestimable memories about the times when I played it in 2010-2012. WA and WWP were very important for me as well despite the fact that my skills in them two were extremely bad, I couldn't even complete at least a half of the single player and training missions unlike the WR, which's missions I finished much easier many times.

Well, the main thing I wanted to say: when I started to play WA online first time in my life in 2020 I was shocked by WormNET's toxicity... Of course I played noobish as hell these days/weeks/months, for what I've been sooooo many times hated, insulted, kicked from lobbies, intentionally attacked during a game match by all players from lobby forcing me to quit and in general treaten like shit.

In 2021 my WA skills got better, in 2022 much more better, but despite of that I still kept meeting tons of assholes who insulted me, kicked me from lobbies for no objective reason and intentionally attacked me together during a game match. The most common reason of such dumb and toxic behavior simply was just their hate to my country. They kept treating me like shit even when I was completely silent during the matches and, most importantly, my WA skills already weren't that noobish as they were in 2020.

I also never felt really negative to quitters. Imo they're not that bad at all comparing to the ones I said above. Btw I always tried to not quit games without really urgent reasons.

Generally, I've often had extremely bad experience of interacting with other WA players. Not always though, sometimes I met very pleasant and cool players, I also met many players, who were neutral to me.
Almost all the time I've played WA online, I played with random players and from time to time changed my nickname, team and country flag. In most cases I did it after a short (or not) break from playing WA to get rid of another asshole who started annoying and stalking me after a match, remembered also to insult me, my WA skills, my parents and my country. And oh, I never had many friends in WA with whom I could regularly play something else besides Intermediate and Kaos Normal. Only had 2 friends in WA, but even with them I didn't play much, I ain't talked to them for almost 3 years, most likely they don't play WA or Worms anymore at all.

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Omg, playing WA without friends sucks. Moreover, everything sucks without friends. I have no friends at all for now, not irl friends, nor internet ones. I'm alone as fuсk. I'm in deep depression, thought a lot of suiсidе during the last year. Not sure if I still will be alive when the 3.9 or 4.0 update is released... Not joking or trolling, I'm serious, believe or not. I don't see any meaning in my worthless life full of pain and endless sorrow. Most likely none here doesn't give a damn anyway. No wonder cuz I'm nobody. Though maybe some people here even will be glad knowing I suffer all my life, I don't care... Though I'm even glad a bit if I actually make someone here glad, throwing these useless meaningless shitty walls of text which look like some kind of dumb and weird trolling, heheh... We are alone in the end, all alone. You are alone in the end, so alone. We're all made of broken dreams. Lost is hope and still we bleed. We're all a part of a broken scene. Fate is cruel and so we bleed. The last six ones are from a song of one of my favorite bands, which I firstly listened in 2013 (about a month before I started suffering from weird permanent bloody pain in my neck and back). Omg wtf am I actually doing, I can't believe I'm actually writing all this garbage here. I'm not even drunk. My despair's slowly getting stronger. Probably I'm already out of what left of my motherfuсking mind. Я желаю всем вам всего самого наилучшего. Я больше не обижаюсь ни на кого, кто когда-либо оскорблял меня и причинял мне какое-либо другое зло в WA. WA - самая лучшая из серии Worms, я не сразу это понял. Люди, будьте добрее и внимательнее друг к другу пожалуйста. Мир вокруг станет только лучше от этого. TheKomodo and Kradie, you're both are awesome wormers, why do you even argue to each other in this topic? I'm pretty sure you two can do a lot of much more cool and useful things for WA. How about to make a WA stream together? CWA Podcast for example. The rhetorical question: Why WA players and other Worms players so often toxicly argue to each other? For example about which Worms games are good and which are bad, about which Worms Discord servers are good and which are bad, about from what countries the wormers are good and from what countries the wormers are bad, about bloody politics... Come on, fellas. There are not that many wormers left (WA ones in particular) so all the active wormers of all Worms games must stay together and be as united as possible and perhaps then we'll be able to make Worms the great game again. I believe it's possible to have only constructive conversations at least here on TUS. My dream is if there was a Worms community (Discord server and/or whatever) which unites wormers of all games, kinds, countries etc. I want to believe this might be not just a dream someday.


All these years I was too lazy to finally start using TUS for searching players here cuz everything on TUS seemed extremely difficult to me, plus I ain't really good in English (I might seem so, but actually I ain't, believe or not).
I really love WA and all other Worms games as well, but my negative WA online experience made me depressed about WA community.

For now I ain't played WA about half a year (maybe more, didn't count properly). Who knows, maybe now I will start play WA again. Or some later, after the 3.9 or 4.0 update is released. If I will, this time I plan to actively use my TUS account, I just don't know from what to start. All these  groups, leagues, cups, tournaments, challenges etc. seem sooooo difficult to me (but extremely cool and interesting though). And also one more thing... My PC from which I played WA is completely broken, now I only have a very weak and laggy laptop with small display, so if I play WA on it, I'll look like a complete noob. Forgot to say: looking at TUS I really have a hope that WA and Worms in general might have a chance and a future. I really wish the WA's WormNET will have the same atmosphere as on TUS someday or maybe even better. I also hope W2, WA and WWP will become the one game someday with the WWPR's mission editor and Project X included as well.

Didn't think I would ever write something on TUS forums.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: MonkeyIsland on April 16, 2024, 09:20 AM
@preduestniq

Welcome to TUS and congratulations on your first wall-post :)

@kradie,
you are a civilian walking down the street. You can hear two white dudes sitting outside at cafe chilling rambling about whatever. Out of nowhere you can hear one of them say the ''N'' word clearly. What would you choose to do as a civilian? Call the police? Intervene in their discussion?
And let's say you were an officer of the law Komodo, what would you do in that situation? Would you arrest them for saying a word you don't like? Or imagine something else said you didn't like. What would you do?

The street example is not a good analogy for WormNET. People passing on a street don't have anything in common. You could say WormNET is like a club or a bar. People who enter the club/bar may not know each other but they are looking to experience something similar. Now everytime you go to the bar you see people vomiting or having a bar fight, even though none of them are targeted at you, it definitely impacts your experience of that bar/club.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Triad on April 16, 2024, 12:55 PM
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Omg, playing WA without friends sucks. Moreover, everything sucks without friends. I have no friends at all for now, not irl friends, nor internet ones. I'm alone as fuсk. I'm in deep depression, thought a lot of suiсidе during the last year. Not sure if I still will be alive when the 3.9 or 4.0 update is released... Not joking or trolling, I'm serious, believe or not. I don't see any meaning in my worthless life full of pain and endless sorrow. Most likely none here doesn't give a damn anyway. No wonder cuz I'm nobody. Though maybe some people here even will be glad knowing I suffer all my life, I don't care... Though I'm even glad a bit if I actually make someone here glad, throwing these useless meaningless shitty walls of text which look like some kind of dumb and weird trolling, heheh... We are alone in the end, all alone. You are alone in the end, so alone. We're all made of broken dreams. Lost is hope and still we bleed. We're all a part of a broken scene. Fate is cruel and so we bleed. The last six ones are from a song of one of my favorite bands, which I firstly listened in 2013 (about a month before I started suffering from weird permanent bloody pain in my neck and back). Omg wtf am I actually doing, I can't believe I'm actually writing all this garbage here. I'm not even drunk. My despair's slowly getting stronger. Probably I'm already out of what left of my motherfuсking mind. Я желаю всем вам всего самого наилучшего. Я больше не обижаюсь ни на кого, кто когда-либо оскорблял меня и причинял мне какое-либо другое зло в WA. WA - самая лучшая из серии Worms, я не сразу это понял. Люди, будьте добрее и внимательнее друг к другу пожалуйста. Мир вокруг станет только лучше от этого. TheKomodo and Kradie, you're both are awesome wormers, why do you even argue to each other in this topic? I'm pretty sure you two can do a lot of much more cool and useful things for WA. How about to make a WA stream together? CWA Podcast for example. The rhetorical question: Why WA players and other Worms players so often toxicly argue to each other? For example about which Worms games are good and which are bad, about which Worms Discord servers are good and which are bad, about from what countries the wormers are good and from what countries the wormers are bad, about bloody politics... Come on, fellas. There are not that many wormers left (WA ones in particular) so all the active wormers of all Worms games must stay together and be as united as possible and perhaps then we'll be able to make Worms the great game again. I believe it's possible to have only constructive conversations at least here on TUS. My dream is if there was a Worms community (Discord server and/or whatever) which unites wormers of all games, kinds, countries etc. I want to believe this might be not just a dream someday.

In life, very few things remain constant. there's always chance of things changing for the better in the future, and the only way to witness that is to persevere till the day it becomes a reality. I don't have any knowledge about your personal situation, and how rough it might be to be in your position, but still, I truly hope that you stick around long enough to see that day.

Death is an inevitable part of life that will eventually come for us all, but we likely only have one chance at existence, so there's no need to rush; the door (to way out of this life) will always be open, and I found that extremely comforting during tough times in my life, because even if things got much worse, I knew that the door would always remain open. I was fortunate enough to actually see things change for the better, and there is no reason to believe that you won't see it.

So let's keep moving forward to see what else we can experience in this life until death takes us.

P.S. Also, you listening to Norther, huh? I faintly recall coming across one of their song on Spotify (I think it was Frozen Angel, not sure). I liked the one you shared, the ominous guitar riff midway through the song is nice. :D Finland have plenty great bands. Feel free to share metal songs you like in this thread: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/off-topic/all-metal-fans-post-here-18858/
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 16, 2024, 02:52 PM
@kradie,
The street example is not a good analogy for WormNET. People passing on a street don't have anything in common. You could say WormNET is like a club or a bar. People who enter the club/bar may not know each other but they are looking to experience something similar. Now everytime you go to the bar you see people vomiting or having a bar fight, even though none of them are targeted at you, it definitely impacts your experience of that bar/club.
What you said here makes a lot of sense to me. So if I understand you right that ''Experience'' is more Important than Freedom of Speech? It's like in kindergarten, you work there to provide the kids security and a good experience. Only an Irrational crazy person would wish to oppose this.

Keep in mind, most of what I have said here has not been associated with law and order, but with common sense and rational thinking. I am no Idiot I understand in a working society you need law and order. In some places you shouldn't talk about this and that, everyone know this.

I guess my problem is I have too much faith in people to believe that they can make the right moral decision on their own when they are out and associating with others. Who would want to hang with bad people? Who would want to listen to people talk shit to each other? I don't. That's why I avoid such people because I have the choice too. Why would you want to be with a few people who attacks you? If that happens you know what kind of people they are. Their behavior is only damaging themselves and their reputation. Besides you don't even know them, their words should mean nothing to you.

I have FoxHound muted because he's not really a good human, most of his posts and opinions are nothing of worth. But I decided to unmute his last post before my own and read it. I only skimmed his text and then I saw the part about me, and I skimmed most of it too. What he said there about me is not true. It is taken out of context and is one sided, complete disinformation. I will not go into that subject because it is Irrelevant to this topic. But when I see people spread lies to feel validated then I must speak out.

Some people read his first post here in this topic and they were shocked. This is a guy who wants to strangle freedom. Who wants to hang with such a person?No wonder I have the power to Ignore.

To Ignore is a skill and it is very Important people are taught this by early age. Although some things are worth fighting for.

Maybe the WormNET chat window should be disabled by default on entering a channel. At least it would give the user to hide the chat.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Zalo the moler on April 16, 2024, 07:04 PM
@kradie,
The street example is not a good analogy for WormNET. People passing on a street don't have anything in common. You could say WormNET is like a club or a bar. People who enter the club/bar may not know each other but they are looking to experience something similar. Now everytime you go to the bar you see people vomiting or having a bar fight, even though none of them are targeted at you, it definitely impacts your experience of that bar/club.

MonkeyIsland for the president! Well said!
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 16, 2024, 07:27 PM
MonkeyIsland for the president! Well said!
I would endorse that. TUS has become a much more friendlier place in recent times. Before when the moderation were looser, people would often get away by being cruel to one another, and more topics were allowed to talk about as well. Sad thing is.. As much as I love that all topics should be allowed, a civilized discussion is hard to maintain, personal attacks and Insults are bond to happen. You would expect grownups would behave, but they don't always. I just remember that Worms WMD thread, where many people ripped on that guy Jono? I think that was the name of him. He was friendly.

If moderation would take place on WormNET, how would it be? Would it only be in the main channels? Or would it extend to host rooms and in-games?
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: FoxHound on April 16, 2024, 11:30 PM
What he said there about me is not true. It is taken out of context and is one sided, complete disinformation. But when I see people spread lies to feel validated then I must speak out.
I don't have clues or printscreens about what I said. But I remember very well. It's from the times your server was called Zarmageddon, not Global Wormin'. It's from the times that you were posting almost daily videos like "Awaken with JP" and "Prager U". By the way, the video about the coup encouragement might be from Prager U, it might still exist, maybe I can find it, but I doubt, because there were so many videos of these "sources" of stupidity and disinformation (and it was probably erased after some time and the coup attempt itself)... And it's now a known and studied fact that the fake news mainly purpose is to encourage people to go to the streets and engage on the cause, rather than form opinions and convince people. So, that video was probably made exactly to encourage the coup attempt that was unsure that would indeed happen at the time. But it was probably around November or December 2022. During the elections of 2022 or right after it. Many Brazilians were grouped around barracks and camping in the country's capital, Brasília, where the congress and all the 3 powers of the republic are located. You don't remember this, because it was only one of the hundreds of fake news and stupid videos you posted on your "Negativity" channel or whatever were the ones that you were using. I remember very well, because I know the history of my country because I read many books written by historians and journalists and I was reading the news that you called "mainstream media" at the time. I'm surely not the one spreading lies and being against vaccines like you were famous about including here on TUS. Maybe I will find the old topics about antivax stuff you supported during one of the most severe pandemics of the humanity. If I were I liar like you say, I would be banned from the wiki that I edit for years of this game. And I was indeed questioned many times about the stuff I wrote there, I proved them all, though. Different than you that is a disgusting person.


Some people read his first post here in this topic and they were shocked. This is a guy who wants to strangle freedom. Who wants to hang with such a person?No wonder I have the power to Ignore.
When I said about hate, I was talking about people that practice hate to a group of people, often called minorities. I just said what I think about you, because here on Tus we have Free Speech with some necessary moderation it requires, though. I didn't attack any minority. I attacked you, as a criticism of your beliefs and behavior that I read for many years in this community. And I don't hate you, I just don't like what you think and what you say here. And yeah, I support freedom and democracy, despite knowing that the democracy is limited and ruled by capitalism and companies.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: preduestniq on April 17, 2024, 09:19 AM
Welcome to TUS and congratulations on your first wall-post :)

Thanks.

WormNET is like a club or a bar. People who enter the club/bar may not know each other but they are looking to experience something similar. Now everytime you go to the bar you see people vomiting or having a bar fight, even though none of them are targeted at you, it definitely impacts your experience of that bar/club.

Awesome comparison!

In life, very few things remain constant. there's always chance of things changing for the better in the future, and the only way to witness that is to persevere till the day it becomes a reality. I don't have any knowledge about your personal situation, and how rough it might be to be in your position, but still, I truly hope that you stick around long enough to see that day.

Death is an inevitable part of life that will eventually come for us all, but we likely only have one chance at existence, so there's no need to rush; the door (to way out of this life) will always be open, and I found that extremely comforting during tough times in my life, because even if things got much worse, I knew that the door would always remain open. I was fortunate enough to actually see things change for the better, and there is no reason to believe that you won't see it.

So let's keep moving forward to see what else we can experience in this life until death takes us.

Thank you very much for supporting me despite the fact that you see me first time in the life. I appreciate that a lot!

P.S. Also, you listening to Norther, huh? I faintly recall coming across one of their song on Spotify (I think it was Frozen Angel, not sure). I liked the one you shared, the ominous guitar riff midway through the song is nice. :D Finland have plenty great bands.

Ain't listened to almost any music for the last half a year. Listened a lot to Norther in 2013 and 2014, then in 2022 and 2023.
Didn't expect someone here would be interested about the music I've listened to, what a wonderful surprise, heh.

Feel free to share metal songs you like in this thread: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/off-topic/all-metal-fans-post-here-18858/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/off-topic/all-metal-fans-post-here-18858/)

Alright.

I'd like to propose an adult (unmoderated/unfiltered) channel on WormNET. Such a channel would be hidden by default in the Network settings. Those who would risk to open this channel would do it on their own volition.

I like the idea. Additionally perhaps it's worth to add a system that checks player's age in their steam account to grant them access to the adult channel if they're 18+ (not sure if it's possible to implement).

Btw minimal moderation/filtering must be even in the adult channel anyway. There are lots of things which can't be tolerated: sharing someone's personal data, spreading malicious links, spamming huge amount of messages and many other ones which I even don't wanna mention.

However I have also an alternative simplier solution. Since the in-game chat (not the WormNET's or the lobby's one) has no moderation/filters and also no clickable links support, probably it makes sense just to turn the clickable links support off for the adult channel, at least for a beginning. Most likely the moderation/filters shall be added to the in-game chat as well sooner or later.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 17, 2024, 05:57 PM
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I like the idea. Additionally perhaps it's worth to add a system that checks player's age in their steam account to grant them access to the adult channel if they're 18+ (not sure if it's possible to implement).

Btw minimal moderation/filtering must be even in the adult channel anyway. There are lots of things which can't be tolerated: sharing someone's personal data, spreading malicious links, spamming huge amount of messages and many other ones which I even don't wanna mention.

However I have also an alternative simplier solution. Since the in-game chat (not the WormNET's or the lobby's one) has no moderation/filters and also no clickable links support, probably it makes sense just to turn the clickable links support off for the adult channel, at least for a beginning. Most likely the moderation/filters shall be added to the in-game chat as well sooner or later.

I am no programmer but I have this feeling that it won't be easy nor possible to Implement a system where WA checks user profile on steam, let alone GOG, and CD version.

I moderate my own Worms Server, and I try my best to keep it clean from spam, malicious links, and bad people. However, I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as longest it is kept orderly and civilized. If similar mentality and order e.g MonkeyIsland, could come to adult channel, then that would be great. But then again people who logs onto WormNET normally has 1 goal, to play game, and not to look for discussions on whatever. But people do chat and talk to each other anyway, at least there would be an option.

You already have the option to Ignore people in game (ctrl+F1 2 3 4+). Though this method is not visible and obvious.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 17, 2024, 06:06 PM
I moderate my own Worms Server, and I try my best to keep it clean from spam, malicious links, and bad people. However, I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as longest it is kept orderly and civilized.

This is what I mean though... You keep going on about "Freedom of speech" whenever we discuss WormNET moderation, yet you constantly also admit you limit freedom of speech in your own channels.

"I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as long as it is kept orderly and civilized" - So in otherwords, exactly everything I and others here have been saying the entire time. When it comes to FoS, you contradict yourself with your own actions quite often. Though, don't take that as negative insult because in this case it is not, it's a good thing that your actions resemble the truth, even if your words don't sometimes.

Yes, it would be nice if EVERYONE could live without rules, and laws etc... That just isn't the world we live in yet, we are not evolved enough as a species collectively.

Your problem is the same problem I have sometimes... The ideal world we wished we lived in, and the world we actually live in, are 2 different things and we cannot expect everyone to be on that level of a dream world yet, we're just not evolved enough yet.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 01:37 AM
This is what I mean though... You keep going on about "Freedom of speech" whenever we discuss WormNET moderation, yet you constantly also admit you limit freedom of speech in your own channels.

"I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as long as it is kept orderly and civilized" - So in otherwords, exactly everything I and others here have been saying the entire time. When it comes to FoS, you contradict yourself with your own actions quite often. Though, don't take that as negative insult because in this case it is not, it's a good thing that your actions resemble the truth, even if your words don't sometimes.

Yes, it would be nice if EVERYONE could live without rules, and laws etc... That just isn't the world we live in yet, we are not evolved enough as a species collectively.

Your problem is the same problem I have sometimes... The ideal world we wished we lived in, and the world we actually live in, are 2 different things and we cannot expect everyone to be on that level of a dream world yet, we're just not evolved enough yet.
Confinement of Reason can be easily defined by anyone who has a particular mindset that correlates to their Ideology and beliefs. I would like think that most people have common sense and are capable of rational thinking. Example: On my server I do allow for people discuss politics, taboo, and edgy topics if only it is kept orderly and civilized. I do not allow for people to target others with ill-intent practices like insulting and labelling others This would only help to validate their vanity and encourage cult like behavior, and it would create a negative environment. Ultimately, it is behavior that matters. Bad behavior creates bad environment and vice versa.

Since both Wormnet and my server are about Worms, would people like to enter a place where they see a e.g a political discussion? Probably not, but they have the freedom to Ignore it and focus at the task at hand to play the game. People should not be timed out, and banned because they talk about a topic that they are passionate about ONLY if it is uncivilized and cruel.

Unfortunately not a lot of people have the ability to accept that people have a different viewpoint than their own. People are more focused about being right, and convincing others so much that their hubris overshadow all reason. So no matter what topics in general, the risk factor of falling out with someone with opposing view can be great if both aren't capable of civilized behavior.

Luckily on discord, you can have channels for off topic and other channels for this and that. Nobody is forced to go to these channels. That is why I think adult channel would be Ideal on wormnet.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Sensei on April 19, 2024, 08:27 AM
That is why I think adult channel would be Ideal on wormnet.

Ideal for whom and what exactly? Are you preparing us for more weird stuff coming from you, like dozens of those naked anime girls maps you're making, updating and hosting in random games?

As a newcomer, I'd be more freaked out joining a game with you in that setup, than seeing some random idiots cursing  on WormNET.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 10:35 AM
Ideal for whom and what exactly? Are you preparing us for more weird stuff coming from you, like dozens of those naked anime girls maps you're making, updating and hosting in random games?

As a newcomer, I'd be more freaked out joining a game with you in that setup, than seeing some random idiots cursing  on WormNET.
I am not preparing anyone for anything I'm merely proposing Ideas. Ideas that could prevent choking freedom completely. But it seems to me that you may have Indirectly or unknowingly proposed an Idea: A moderated AG should prohibit explicit content, especially for games. Such content should only be tolerated in an adult channel. Perhaps ''adult'' channel is the wrong word for it? ''Unmoderated Channel'' could sound more appropriate? Either way, if you look to TUS, there is already such area where such pornographic content are accepted.

When you click ''Host'' there should be an option ''Adult content'', this could signalize for the users that that game uses explicit content.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 02:05 PM
Or you could just keep it in your pants while playing video games...

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Triad on April 19, 2024, 02:39 PM
Or you could just keep it in your pants while playing video games...
But I thought the point of Big RR was shooting ropes with your worm?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Sensei on April 19, 2024, 02:44 PM
Or you could just keep it in your pants while playing video games...

Rare sincere laugh you got from me there, mister Dave. That was a good post.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 02:49 PM
Or you could just keep it in your pants while playing video games...
I don't understand? Not the pornographic part, but in general?  I am kind of worried with this thinking of yours now.. I mean, it seems to me that every time I propose something that doesn't take people's freedom away, you Immediately want to shut that down. It is like you don't want people to have a choice. If people want to play on adult maps then that's their right. You do not have the right to come here and tell them they can't. That's why I offered options.

Yes, I know Worms Armageddon is cute Innocent game that can attract younger audience, but that's why I offered options. And btw, if we are really going down this path to ban every explicit maps now which is INSANE I tell ya, then you better have all these pornographic content on TUS, and WMDB deleted too.

Keep it in your pants while playing video games... While you are at it, commit to celibacy.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 03:31 PM
Ok, for starters, it was a joke Kradie... Nobody is talking about banning NSFW map content even if some people think it's creepy incel type stuff.

Sam Brown, Sam Brown...
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 03:40 PM
Ok, for starters, it was a joke Kradie... Nobody is talking about banning NSFW map content even if some people think it's creepy incel type stuff.

Sam Brown, Sam Brown...
I don't know what is a joke for you anymore. Woke news and activists agendas and messages are so damn stark, dire, and depressing, it makes me doubt that there is any hope for humanity because there is little courage and push back against this madness. That's why I am fighting for freedom!

FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!!

New clan name FFF-Kradie'zar  8)
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 04:33 PM
Well, it's a serious joke, it's something that's said as a joke because it's something that shouldn't need to be said to lighten the mood, but it's also deadly serious because most people, especially youngsters and your average woman shouldn't have to see creepy maps like that in the first place.

It's like the map development equivalent of stalking a girl down a dark alley foaming at the mouth.

So... Anubis was a well known clan hopper... So Kradie, you're a clan chopper?  On account of making a new clan every year and then giving it the chop lol.

(Don't look too much into this, just wanted to rhyme clan hopper with something)



When I think of people fighting for freedom, I'm thinking men and women actually risking their lives for their country and local communities, not somebody who I assume is living in a safe comfortable place with no problems like us.

I like to defend the truth, and although I myself walk the path of promoting the freedom to think and train yourself to your human potential, I wouldn't say I'm a fighter of freedom. I'm living freedom thanks to my family, my country and my government. Sure, none of those 3 things are perfect, but they are pretty good and they could be MUCH worse!
 
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 04:49 PM
Well, it's a serious joke, it's something that's said as a joke because it's something that shouldn't need to be said to lighten the mood, but it's also deadly serious because most people, especially youngsters and your average woman shouldn't have to see creepy maps like that in the first place.

It's like the map development equivalent of stalking a girl down a dark alley foaming at the mouth.

So... Anubis was a well known clan hopper... So Kradie, you're a clan chopper?  On account of making a new clan every year and then giving it the chop lol.

(Don't look too much into this, just wanted to rhyme clan hopper with something)



When I think of people fighting for freedom, I'm thinking men and women actually risking their lives for their country and local communities, not somebody who I assume is living in a safe comfortable place with no problems like us.

I like to defend the truth, and although I myself walk the path of promoting the freedom to think and train yourself to your human potential, I wouldn't say I'm a fighter of freedom. I'm living freedom thanks to my family, my country and my government. Sure, none of those 3 things are perfect, but they are pretty good and they could be MUCH worse!

That's why I suggested to have ''adult'' check on the host window when you click ''host'', or adult channel (not exclusively for porn duh).

That's a weird analogy there. Porn will always exist. Would you say porn prevents men from stalking and raping?

As I said publicly on discord:
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I don't have much desire and motivation to play clanner. The rest of the clan aren't that active either. Because of this it was agreed between blitzed and myself it would be better for him to join an active clan.
I never cared much for the competitive scene here on WA with the exception of occasional cup games now and then. You may think and argue ''Well is that fair to the other members of the clan?''. Of course not but then again they aren't very active on here on WA. I was more Involved and driven before when I was in ob and dj. Now I have little to no desire anymore. I wouldn't say that I am a clan hopper though far from it. For the record, dF is not dead just because blitzed chose to leave.

World War II, they fought for our freedom. Nowadays this freedom is being dhallenged daily in the western world. To not put up arms is to disrespect those who fought for it. Am I soldier? No. I just speak my mind.
Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 05:01 PM
Yeah at least we have an adult checkbox for maps on TUS. Of course I'm being biased when I say it's creepy it's just an opinion lol... The odd dedication to a girl you have a crush on or whatever is fine, but it's a bit weird to see someone make SO MANY maps of scantily clad women. It becomes more of an obsession than admiration.

It's not a big deal when it's done more privately.

About clan hopping, like I said I just wanted to do a silly rhyme, nothing meant by it! I don't even know why I thought of that.

Title: Re: Wormnet moderation
Post by: Kradie on April 19, 2024, 05:45 PM
Yeah at least we have an adult checkbox for maps on TUS. Of course I'm being biased when I say it's creepy it's just an opinion lol... The odd dedication to a girl you have a crush on or whatever is fine, but it's a bit weird to see someone make SO MANY maps of scantily clad women. It becomes more of an obsession than admiration.

It's not a big deal when it's done more privately.

I wouldn't call it obsession but ok.

Thanks for your.. Opinion.