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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: Shifty on January 11, 2011, 10:47 AM

Poll
Question: are you telling me W:A isn't dead !?!?
Option 1: yes votes: 33
Option 2: no votes: 3
Title: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Shifty on January 11, 2011, 10:47 AM
Lookin on steam cause i got some money to burn and feel like getting new game and i see...Worms. I hesitate because i had to eventually break W:A and even WWP into peices because i was too addicted to roping(cough* being the best is addicting, tho at the time of retirement,marco was said by some to be better). Was probably 8 years since i have played my beloved...my precious..So i do it. I buy worms reloaded. A little peice of me died. This was the biggest dissapointment i have felt in my gaming career. I have never actually seen a game go so far backwards then from W:A to Worms reloaded. First of all..wtf Steam? really? just gonna go ahead and put on a dead server instead of neglecting a server and letting it slowly die? 2nd. muffed all the options and menus, not huge...but still moving backwards. IM GONNA GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO THE PART WHERE THE ROPES MAKE ME WANNA CRY AND YOU CANT PUT FKIN WATER LEVEL WHERE MINES DROP AND WORMS DONT DROWNED. Cough* anyway..im really done complaining about reloaded, cause ive caught a glimmer of hope. Is wormnet not dead on W:A? im down to comeback i just heard that all of the servers were closed. Someone please let me know asap.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 11, 2011, 11:07 AM
W:A is more alive now than it ever was, yes WR and Steam sucks, welcome back :)

I used to go by the name TheKomodo, if you remember me, what was your name back then?
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: HHC on January 11, 2011, 11:22 AM
Quote from: slacker on January 11, 2011, 10:47 AM
Lookin on steam cause i got some money to burn and feel like getting new game and i see...Worms. I hesitate because i had to eventually break W:A and even WWP into peices because i was too addicted to roping(cough* being the best is addicting, tho at the time of retirement,marco was said by some to be better). Was probably 8 years since i have played my beloved...my precious..So i do it. I buy worms reloaded. A little peice of me died. This was the biggest dissapointment i have felt in my gaming career. I have never actually seen a game go so far backwards then from W:A to Worms reloaded. First of all..wtf Steam? really? just gonna go ahead and put on a dead server instead of neglecting a server and letting it slowly die? 2nd. muffed all the options and menus, not huge...but still moving backwards. IM GONNA GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO THE PART WHERE THE ROPES MAKE ME WANNA CRY AND YOU CANT PUT FKIN WATER LEVEL WHERE MINES DROP AND WORMS DONT DROWNED. Cough* anyway..im really done complaining about reloaded, cause ive caught a glimmer of hope. Is wormnet not dead on W:A? im down to comeback i just heard that all of the servers were closed. Someone please let me know asap.

I actually liked W:R, especially the mines acting like a ball in a pinball machine. I quit on it when the servers kept crapping out and didn't get any improvement at all.

But to answer your question. Yes, WA is still alive and kickin'. Some 100 players on at peaktimes (9pm CET), mostly noobs.. but there's a die-hard core of veterans and elite players. WA is still being updated by freelance coders with very nice features. If you once liked WA, I don't see a return being a disappointment.

Only neg is the lack of American/English players. With mostly zillians and russians around it's sometimes hard to get a decent conversation..
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Shifty on January 11, 2011, 11:30 AM
I was Slacker, quit prob 6 months into wwp. I use to play with Ptheat, Krazler, Marco, Fierydeath, IllBeBack, DeadPool and infinate others that i wont rem. till i see their names. I rem ure HHC tho. Was a BnG'er if i rem correctly. but such a long time ago i cant trust memory. and komodo i do rem. you briefly in wwp.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 11, 2011, 11:33 AM
Yeah I was under the name KomoduS on WWP xD

And with a name like Slacker, no wonder you didn't stay active ;)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Rok on January 11, 2011, 11:35 AM
Quote from: HHC on January 11, 2011, 11:22 AM
Only neg is the lack of American/English players. With mostly zillians and russians around it's sometimes hard to get a decent conversation..

Sometimes. But there's decent number of us who can speak english well enough ;)
Bold statement perhaps, but I dare to say W:a is in it's 2nd golden era. :)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
Definately Rok, i'd go as far to say WA is in it's prime right now, in my opinion, right now it's better than it's ever been, most players are mature and respectful, act professional, ain't like 90% of other games out there ridiculously full of hackers and outright offensive people, we got more features than we could ever dream of say 8 years ago, I am glad and proud to be part of imo the most successful small gaming community in the world :)

Long live Wa :)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Shifty on January 11, 2011, 11:46 AM
news sounds good gonna have to get a copy, tho if you were there for its prime you would remember whenwormnet ranks actually worked, and when u got elite u had 3 shiny stars =p  .Good memories, but 100 people on isn too bad, sounds like good community is still goin on there. not bad for a game thats ancient and could be run on dial up  :P

o..is there patch for newer windows versions? or i have to go rummage thru old computers? think that was problem i had last time i wanted to comeback
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: THeDoGG on January 11, 2011, 11:58 AM
Oops I voted no, I've read the question too fast :) I meant to vote YES, of course :)

Take a look at this :
http://wormtube.worms2d.info/

That's what made me come back to WA after a 5 or 6 years break, and I felt into the rope addiction again  :P

About the patchs and updates you still can find them on the t17 site @ http://wa.team17.com/main.html?page=home&area=welc The lastest patch will allow you to play under windows7
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 11, 2011, 12:01 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
Definately Rok, i'd go as far to say WA is in it's prime right now


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Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Shifty on January 11, 2011, 12:02 PM
last thing i will comment tonight, speaking of small community with a good game. get on steam and get altitude. if u like worms u will like it. its planes yes...but its as if they copied worms and put in planes. amazing game.(its what got me thinking of roping again) give it a 10/10. $5 or 10$ game, and i guarentee if u like worms you will like or i give you permission to hack me  :P
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 11, 2011, 01:15 PM
slacker, I was there when WA had ranks, I had my Elite rank, I had the fiery bar too, i've been playing this game since the start of June 1999 lol, i've seen it all, played it all, loved it all :)

Tbh, ranks sucked, yeah, i'll say it, when you think about it, it wasn't the 3 shiny starts that made me love this game, it was the people I played with, and I still play with people i've known for so many years, they aren't just people I bump into on the net, they are real friends, one of my best mates I think I will ever have I met on this game, I almost died with him in a car crash, that ain't just a game, thats some serious sht...

Some people might laugh at that, but when you spend like 11 years with the same people, you get kinda close to some of them, you share memories and events in your life, it's not just a game for me anymore, it is really part of my life lol.

This game has evolved into something I never thought possible, and anyone who laughs at my opinion I think this game is in it's prime, well you already know I don givva fk what you say ;)

The game is great Slacker, it's always challenging, we have a great number of people working on Leagues and websites and Tournaments, programs to make things easier cooler or better, anyone who doesn't play this game, is losing out, seriously.

*** No I am not drunk lol, this guy jus got me remembering why I play this game, nothing wrong with showing a lil appreciation :) ***
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Crazy on January 11, 2011, 02:21 PM
+1 Komo
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 11, 2011, 03:02 PM
For me era = league successful (and ranks) And as far as I know there hasn't been only tus. So people get a clue, ty.
And Komo it's not a personnal attack, if you're happy with the game/community good for you. But in all objectivity there have been better times on all levels.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 12, 2011, 08:08 AM
*** LONG POST WARNING ***

Quote from: flex on January 11, 2011, 03:02 PMBut in all objectivity there have been better times on all levels.

If you feel this way that is fine obviously, and I respect that, we have our own opinions, but this is interesting to me, can you explain to me why you think the "old days" were better?

Let's make a list of pros and cons, i'll make my list for the present time, and you can make yours for the past:

WA in 2011:

Pros:

Replays
Less bugs
Less hacking
Less cheating
More mature players
More competitive because of the top players who have been playing since the beginning consistently
A vast variety of leagues
You can't get into a clan just because you can do a "shadow" these days, the best clans these days would whoop the clans back then, even TEA and HoS (imo)
Wormtube - For movies for WA
Stronger global community
Better server
Snoopers
Colour maps
Vast variety of competitive and fun schemes
Worm Olympics, even though I personally don't partake, I do see how much fun it brings to so many different cultures and players, and thats great
Deadcode/Cybershadow, without these guys the game wouldn't be what it is today, I would be honoured if I could shake their hands
Modern internet connections provide us with more stable gameplay, people still have bad connections, but the majority never really lag or d/c anywhere near what they used to, and you don't hear "lag" 100 times every roper game anymore.
More players - Sure, it's frustrating at times when the only games going are Shopper and Hysteria, but, at least they are playing WA and not some other crappy game :)

I am sure there are more I haven't thought of yet, but I will eventually lol

Cons:

No official Ranking system, although, nobody really cares anymore because we have other things that are better :)
Missing old friends/players who don't play anymore

I honestly can't think of anymore...

Yeah there were other leagues, extremely good ones, almost every "main" league has been great, but I think and feel TuS have provided us with something that bonds us together more than any other has, TuS have set records no other league could ever imagine doing, over 8,000 games a month, that's simply incredible :)

I will never forget any other league or any other great moment in WA, I hope I am not alone and I honestly think a massive amount of players will agree with me when I say this game HAS turned out better than we could have ever hoped, I remember playing this game for only 1 year in 2000 and when WWP came out soon after alot of people were saying stuff like "I hope WA never dies, feels like in 10 years no one will play anymore" I mean honestly, 11 years of consistent hardcore loyal players and leagues, i'd go as far to say WA holds records in the entire Gaming Industry that we don't even realise...

I am actually gonna make a vote on this, see what people think.











Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Dub-c on January 12, 2011, 09:18 AM
Don't remember anyone named slacker, but hi.

You convinced me Komo, with the patches and everything the game itself is a lot better now. Still miss the people I use to play with though. Since you told us how passionate you are about this game I curious, did you ever cry any of the times Avirex made fun of you?

Once Tus gets its roper league going w:a will undoubtedly be in its PRIME!
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 12, 2011, 10:19 AM
Why would I cry if something was funny ;)

I never once got annoyed when avi and shy made fun of me, however, there was a few times where I silently thought "good one" and laughed at it lol, I respect a good joke/prank.

Like when avi aliased as lalo, I did say in some thread a while ago, something like "it's pathetic you would do that but, I gotta admit, you got me so nice one lol"

I feel similar to avi, we do have a similar sense of humour when it comes to insults and winding people up.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 12, 2011, 08:08 AM
*** LONG POST WARNING ***

Dunno why but it made me lol :D


So first I have nothing against TUS, I talk about the older leagues as reference points in the time and because there were more people playing.

I'm not gonna quote your whole post but I've read it all.  You talk about replays patches colour maps etc but they already were around at cl2k (not at its start obviously) and FB  :o

"More competitive because of the top players who have been playing since the beginning consistently"

I think the exact opposite (bad english but you'll get the point) and that's my main criteria : There are less active competitive clans/players than before. Remember nino's thread about the FB awards? In those lists 90% of the people are gone. I can even list the top players of nowadays : Mablak/Franz/Mirux/Random and maybe some that I don't know in the south-american crowd. And then a few others in specific schemes like bng and elite.

And even, less activity at all. (I don't talk about shoppa noobs) Yes TUS is active, but playoffs aren't played since what, 4 seasons? In previous leagues it was a big event. And clanners it's even worse, people have a hard time finding clanners.  Nowadays it's mostly noob bashing. I don't blame it, if I log on to clanner I'll play with whoever wants to too, it's just that as I said, there are less good players / clans. And after a while it's boring to play noobs, I know I'd prefer a good game.

But I'm thinking about something, you haven't really been into leagues no? Especially before you got mad with bng :D Because you don't seem to realize the difference, and you've been around for longer than me.
And not only in league, dude, just think for a second about all the good players/clans you knew over the years, there are so many o_0 And now compare with nowadays, it's just 4-5 people above everyone and 4-5 gd clans.


The community is still better than 3-4 years ago, where it was really dead. I really thought w:a was dead for good, there was no league at all for a while. (XTC = big fail :D) So on that point I agree with you, the game turned out better than what I thought too.



gl reading this mess and it will be my only long post it takes too much time, I'm not used to it, I'm not a forum diva like you :P :D
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 12, 2011, 02:31 PM
Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
Quote from: Komito on January 12, 2011, 08:08 AM
*** LONG POST WARNING ***

Dunno why but it made me lol :D

Yeah that was on purpose haha xD

And here it is again, but this time:

*** VERY LONG POST WARNING !!! ***


Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM

I'm not gonna quote your whole post but I've read it all.  You talk about replays patches colour maps etc but they already were around at cl2k (not at its start obviously) and FB  :o

I played in cl2k, but can't really remember it, I favoured WACL and FB/WL those were my fav leagues, replays didn't start until 2004/2005 and I thought we were talking about before this era?

"More competitive because of the top players who have been playing since the beginning consistently"

Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
I think the exact opposite (bad english but you'll get the point) and that's my main criteria : There are less active competitive clans/players than before. Remember nino's thread about the FB awards? In those lists 90% of the people are gone. I can even list the top players of nowadays : Mablak/Franz/Mirux/Random and maybe some that I don't know in the south-american crowd. And then a few others in specific schemes like bng and elite.

I am honestly surprised you think that, there are MUCH more players experts in there specific field of schemes than there was back then, most people roped back then, alot of people can do more or less everything nowadays, to me, thats MUCH more competitive than 3 schemes, BnG, Elite and Roper, Mablak and Random are not even that far ahead of the game, so many players are so close to how good they are, Dulek, is absolutely magnificent, his all round skills imo are easily comparable to Mablak and Random, Zippo, although he isn't the most friendly player, is incredibly talented, Crash, also, is great, darKz is excellent also, daina is excellent all round also, I admit I am ridiculously ahead of the game when it comes to BnG,  99% of what I do, is BnG or BnG related, and I can still play every other scheme at least with average skill, I am still a strong Roper, I surprise people at TTRR, i've been getting grips with T17 and Elite recently, i'm not one of the best all-rounders, but I can give some of the best all-rounders a good challenge if I could be bothered, HHC is still a great all-rounder, man, honestly, there are countless "great" players today, I don't think you have played them all, or acknowledged the difference in todays needs as a competitive player.



Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
And even, less activity at all. (I don't talk about shoppa noobs) Yes TUS is active, but playoffs aren't played since what, 4 seasons? In previous leagues it was a big event. And clanners it's even worse, people have a hard time finding clanners.  Nowadays it's mostly noob bashing. I don't blame it, if I log on to clanner I'll play with whoever wants to too, it's just that as I said, there are less good players / clans. And after a while it's boring to play noobs, I know I'd prefer a good game.

I agree with you here in some way, you make a strong point here that's hard to bounce off, PO does let TuS down, too many people are lazy, but they still get played eventually, and they are competitive, there is alot of noob bashing, but that has nothing to do with skill, this comes down to greed and fear of points, their skill still remains very talented, I refuse to believe you cannot find a good game, I sit on Wnet for at least 6 hours a day lol, and I see many great players at many different schemes, it's brilliant ! lol.

Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
But I'm thinking about something, you haven't really been into leagues no? Especially before you got mad with bng :D Because you don't seem to realize the difference, and you've been around for longer than me.
And not only in league, dude, just think for a second about all the good players/clans you knew over the years, there are so many o_0 And now compare with nowadays, it's just 4-5 people above everyone and 4-5 gd clans.

I have been into leagues mate, i've been playing leagues since WACL, I am extremely sure I have played every main and major league, the most active ones that everyone were into when they were active, I do realise the difference, true, WA musn't be the same for you than it is for me, you must miss things you used to have in this game, most of the players we talk about that used to play, not just you and me, but alot of "oldschoolers", think about it, most of them were rope orientated, all the "legends" were rope orientated and rope just isn't as popular as it was back then, and if you are a hardcore roper, and haven't kept up with the times, i'm afraid it just won't be the same for those people...

Quote from: flex on January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
The community is still better than 3-4 years ago, where it was really dead. I really thought w:a was dead for good, there was no league at all for a while. (XTC = big fail :D) So on that point I agree with you, the game turned out better than what I thought too.

I have never seen WA "dead" I have been active for 11 straight years, the point you are talking about is when alot of players left of boredom, or families/careers etc, true, half the Wnet population just up and left, but the other half still drove on strong, more alive than ever determined not to give up and work towards something greater and we started to rebuild a big community again, it has taken time yes, but we've got there, and i'd say it's better than before, the longest gap I went with this game was about 5-6 months, and that's when I was pussywhipped lol.

Yeah, I know i've acted a bit odd in the last months in these forums with some arguements other people find pointless, but at the same time, I feel proud of what I have achieved in this game and what i've gave back to this game and this community, i've almost single-handedly fought to keep BnG alive and interesting for people and spawned an army of hardcore BnG addicts who I have the best games and times with, Tournaments every week our own League, for me it couldn't be better, but it probably will be, actually, it will be :)

I can't help always looking on the bright side of life :)


Wow, only took me 10 minutes to type all this out lol...

I like big posts, I like to read, I like to talk to people and discuss things, I enjoy it lol, and I know there are some people here who actually appreciate a good discussion if it is civilised and makes sense...


Edit: Oh 1 more thing, 90% of those people aren't gone, some of them changed names ;)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 12, 2011, 03:23 PM
"into leagues" I mean you weren't obseded by it, I do remember you were on forums and all, and you clanned with SfX sometimes, but I don't recall you playing singles that much, but that's another story lulz

About the top players you mentioned, the thing is I didn't play with them since 2-3 years (Crash Dulek) or don't know them (South americans as I said). And I thought Dark was inactive. And still, our list combined makes 10 people. We can argue about lists like this forever but it's dumb and noone cares, the thing is so few top players that's easy to list. But maybe there's some misunderstanding here, maybe we don't have the same definition of top player, and you tend to overrate people, that's your bright size of life thing auha


"acknowledged the difference in todays needs as a competitive player"

What's the difference? In fb you had to be a good allarounder too


And dude, noone is even close to Mablak, I'm not an asslicker but it's just facts, he owned every league, rr challenges, and now tel :p


Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Crazy on January 12, 2011, 05:18 PM
Far from every league Flex ;P Mablak didn`t own anyone in WL, he started owning first in CL2K, then FB, he barely played XTC, and havent played yet in TUS. I agree with Komo, I believe the level is higher now then it has ever been. We had the same discussion in XTC, and players with knowledge to decide if the level was higher or lower (this was in 2007), as in players who had played since the very beginning of WA, such as IBB, stated that the level had never been this high in league. I believe the level has improved even more then from three years ago.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 12, 2011, 06:13 PM
I know he started owning in cl2k, so yea, every league except WL, lolz
And if he played tus he would own it aswell, he already owned TEL yet he has more challenge than in other schemes like roper or rr for exemple :p


And  for exemple for old clans like bS, x2x, susuii, OSW, dt, Starcoma etc clanners nowadays would be a piece of cake, give me a break lol :D


Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Husk on January 12, 2011, 06:29 PM
thats just ur rant about how much better wa used to be than it is now o: i think clans like cf, cfc, mm and ps could give very good match against any of those fb time clans.

also there are several players in mm from x2x and dt (: so mm should be dominating?
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: darKz on January 12, 2011, 06:36 PM
Quote from: Crazy on January 12, 2011, 05:18 PM
I agree with Komo, I believe the level is higher now then it has ever been. We had the same discussion in XTC, and players with knowledge to decide if the level was higher or lower (this was in 2007), as in players who had played since the very beginning of WA, such as IBB, stated that the level had never been this high in league. I believe the level has improved even more then from three years ago.
I totally agree on this, the skill level really has never been higher than these days. WA currently has lots of really good players, more than ever.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 12, 2011, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Husk on January 12, 2011, 06:29 PM
thats just ur rant about how much better wa used to be than it is now o: i think clans like cf, cfc, mm and ps could give very good match against any of those fb time clans.

also there are several players in mm from x2x and dt (: so mm should be dominating?


It's not a rant, Komo asked me to share my point of view, I couldnt let him down after his long post :P. And then I felt like giving an exemple, but I knew it would make people cringe.  So I don't know what your point is, if you feel it was intended for you it's not my problem.

"also there are several players in mm from x2x and dt"

Well spotted Sherlock, but is all of mm active? No. And Mablak doesn't play clanners much. dt = mm active + some who joined at some time, ropa, anubis...
And I dont know who was in x2x, maybe dibz, but not the active members nino/shyguy/avi
CF seem inactive in clanners, ps I don't know them.

But nowadays no clan tops the ones I quoted. Maybe I'm wrong as people disagree with something which I thought was obvious, but it won't make me change my mind. :P


That's all I'll have to say about the subject, I'm not gonna talk about this forever and it's kinda pointless, worms is as it is and it's fine, Komo you got my point :P
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: HHC on January 12, 2011, 08:19 PM
I'm in doubt myself. I think skill-wise WA reached its peak at the times of Nakra and ESL. I also think the RR-scene has had better days (during RRkit for example). This was roughly the time when I left worms. When I came back about a year ago (?) I felt it to be easier to compete at the top level again. This was when the cups here at TUS first started. Since then I think the level is on the increase again, but still hasn't quite reached the point of my departure.

Anyway, with regards to the oooollldddd times. I went 50-0 with SUSUII once without any real difficulties. We were good at that time, but I think when you ask each of us individually, we will all confirm that we are better now than we were back then. We made plenty of errors and had way less sophisticated tactics, but we got away with it cause our opponents were much weaker than they are today. Going 50-0 is a real performance right now, partly because there's no Double-or-nottin  anymore and partly because the number of easy opponents has declined drastically.
If CF were to play 5 years ago they would completely butcher the competition. They do it now as well, but I dare say they would make a total carnage of the clan league as it was back in 2003 or so.

Currently, when you go on wormnet and join a random game of Shopper you will find that all people there, despite being known as 'noobs' know how to rope fairly decently, how to attack, and what rules there are. In the leagues it's even worse, the clan league is full of awesome clans. It's really hard to still find a clan that you can easily own.

Imo the biggest challenge right now is to attract new people to TUS. There's a core of elite players that roam this place, but the vast majority of players are clanless and leagueless.. There is still an enormous potential for TUS to grow. I remember that at the time of WL wormnet pretty much revolved around the league and when it was stopped we lost about half of the top players on WN. FB and CL2k got a lot of them back, but I've never seen a league with such a broad scope. I hope that TUS can replicate this one day and bring all those hundreds of nameless noobs that dwell in AG today under its wing.
There were times that 90% of wormnet was in the major league and knew each other. Today that's just 10%, there's a lot of potential there  ???
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Dub-c on January 12, 2011, 09:19 PM
Pretty hard to argue when the skill was at its highest. Its all about being good at everything now. All I remember is roping back in the day. Now I have to play f@#!ing hysteria, shopper, wxw, bng, elite, t17, rr, and roper. Obviously  I can't be as good at roper when I have to concentrate on all schemes but I would own the me from 8 or 9 years ago. I might lose roper but easily win every other scheme.

In summation: people were more specialized in one scheme before, now much less specialized but good in all schemes

Different era's
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Devilage on January 12, 2011, 10:14 PM
That's what makes it nicer dub imo, now u gotta be good on all schemes coz theres a lot of all rounders so roper's not the only thing that ull play on league games I agree with all of them that say that worms its on the top season flex is right tho 4 season without playing the po's? that just sucks some thing must be change to fix that i dont have an idea but i bet some1 will, I love this game I enjoy playing and being high on WN spending ur free time thx to all the ppl that have played competitive and fun games with me gg's.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 12, 2011, 10:58 PM
You don't have to be good in all schemes, look at me, all I do is BnG, all Mablak does is TEL and NNNL.

flex, about the top players today, I could write a huge list and reasons why they are top players, if you want me to I will, but I won't do it straight off because it would take a while, my post was long enough without adding like 30+ players lol.

I honestly don't think I overrate anyone, I think you underestimate people, honestly I do, like Johnny said, most people remember the old days as being strongly rope orientated, and now it's now, TdC, mm, cFc, ps, CF, six, TaG, dC, 5150 are all very strong clans, that is 9 clans, who are all capable of having very successful seasons, together all of these clans make for great competition and none to be taken lightly, back in the day there were only 2-3 clans at a time who were considered as good as how we consider these clans now, that's impressive.

In terms of skill, how can we not be better? My guess is you only get better the longer you play, I sure have, Random definately did, same with players who are in the top 20 classic standings atm.

We do need to make a better effort with the PO, flex is 100% right when this was something everyone valued, now people are kinda lazy, they must think reaching PO is good enough they don't need to play them lol, either that or singles are scared to play Random00 and clanners scared to play CF lol, jus kidding, but it would be great to have that old PO feeling again where it was the most talked about thing in a League...
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Devilage on January 13, 2011, 12:51 AM
Quote from: Komito on January 12, 2011, 10:58 PM
You don't have to be good in all schemes, look at me, all I do is BnG, all Mablak does is TEL and NNNL.


No? what about tus singles mate u cant pick bng all the time, well ull win but u wont go any further on the overall, so that's what i meant not clanners where u got partners to play the schemes that u can't.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 13, 2011, 01:32 AM
I meant you don't have to be good in all schemes to enjoy WA as a whole dev, glad we cleared that up :)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Husk on January 13, 2011, 02:02 AM
id rly like to see CKC kick off, Albino seems to be the most active from CKC atm, 2nd comes Almog and 3rd Chick is popping up in tus forums now and then, theres strong clanning. Any news on Wooka, Eminef or Dilbert?
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Crazy on January 13, 2011, 02:07 AM
Quote from: HHC on January 12, 2011, 08:19 PM
I'm in doubt myself. I think skill-wise WA reached its peak at the times of Nakra and ESL. I also think the RR-scene has had better days (during RRkit for example). This was roughly the time when I left worms. When I came back about a year ago (?) I felt it to be easier to compete at the top level again. This was when the cups here at TUS first started. Since then I think the level is on the increase again, but still hasn't quite reached the point of my departure.

Anyway, with regards to the oooollldddd times. I went 50-0 with SUSUII once without any real difficulties. We were good at that time, but I think when you ask each of us individually, we will all confirm that we are better now than we were back then. We made plenty of errors and had way less sophisticated tactics, but we got away with it cause our opponents were much weaker than they are today. Going 50-0 is a real performance right now, partly because there's no Double-or-nottin  anymore and partly because the number of easy opponents has declined drastically.
If CF were to play 5 years ago they would completely butcher the competition. They do it now as well, but I dare say they would make a total carnage of the clan league as it was back in 2003 or so.

Currently, when you go on wormnet and join a random game of Shopper you will find that all people there, despite being known as 'noobs' know how to rope fairly decently, how to attack, and what rules there are. In the leagues it's even worse, the clan league is full of awesome clans. It's really hard to still find a clan that you can easily own.

Imo the biggest challenge right now is to attract new people to TUS. There's a core of elite players that roam this place, but the vast majority of players are clanless and leagueless.. There is still an enormous potential for TUS to grow. I remember that at the time of WL wormnet pretty much revolved around the league and when it was stopped we lost about half of the top players on WN. FB and CL2k got a lot of them back, but I've never seen a league with such a broad scope. I hope that TUS can replicate this one day and bring all those hundreds of nameless noobs that dwell in AG today under its wing.
There were times that 90% of wormnet was in the major league and knew each other. Today that's just 10%, there's a lot of potential there  ???

+111111

It IS hard to compare different periods on worms, but that`s a good thing I guess? If it weren`t, it would be quite obvious that worms used to be better earlier! Great post HHC :) There is just one small thing I disagree with, and that is the RR-scene. RR used to more popular before, that`s for sure, with all the tournaments hosted and all the participants. Yet, I believe the level is higher now. There are soooo many damn good roperacers, it annoys me ;p So many people from Chile rope damn well, really the entire Tag and CFC clan holds a very high level in this scheme. I can`t mention names as I would forget way too many people. But looking at it from a different point of view I agree, RR used be much more fun about 5 years ago. The scheme is far from as popular as it used ot be. As Dub sums it up, roping used to be way more popular with people being specialized on different schemes. I think Elite is the new rope-movement ;D
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: franz on January 13, 2011, 02:42 AM
Quote from: Crazy on January 13, 2011, 02:07 AM
+111111

It IS hard to compare different periods on worms, but that`s a good thing I guess? If it weren`t, it would be quite obvious that worms used to be better earlier! Great post HHC :) There is just one small thing I disagree with, and that is the RR-scene. RR used to more popular before, that`s for sure, with all the tournaments hosted and all the participants. Yet, I believe the level is higher now. There are soooo many damn good roperacers, it annoys me ;p So many people from Chile rope damn well, really the entire Tag and CFC clan holds a very high level in this scheme. I can`t mention names as I would forget way too many people. But looking at it from a different point of view I agree, RR used be much more fun about 5 years ago. The scheme is far from as popular as it used ot be. As Dub sums it up, roping used to be way more popular with people being specialized on different schemes. I think Elite is the new rope-movement ;D

gogo TRRL

rr is my fav after elite <3
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: darKz on January 13, 2011, 11:15 AM
Quote from: HHC on January 12, 2011, 08:19 PM
If CF were to play 5 years ago they would completely butcher the competition. They do it now as well, but I dare say they would make a total carnage of the clan league as it was back in 2003 or so.
:-*

But to be fair, I think it would be the same for cFc and doH.. The overall skill level was just not as high back then - and in WL / CL2K people (including clans) even played DoN, which led to false stats.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 23, 2011, 04:18 PM
So... Last time I posted in this topic I gave you all the benefit of the doubt, as I had been back since one month or so. Since then I've played like once a day, so I have a more concrete idea of what w:a/TUS is right now. And while searching for a clanner forever everytime, I couldn't help but thinking about this topic with a smile on my face. Also some people messaged me in ag to say they agree with me, that was enough to not resist to post again.

Maybe there are dozens of good players out there (Hi Komo). But the thing is, it's not the problem. The problem is their activity.  The competitive players are only active in TEL. "Problem" isn't really the right word, because as I said, worms is as it is, why bother? Don't worry I will sleep well tonight. But I'm answering to the bandwagon who said "worms is in its prime", which is a nice running gag, it makes me laugh every time I go in #ag. :D

Let's take a look at clanners https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-stats/

There are basically dC cfc and others. And bp starting strong. 2 good (basing on their stats) and active clans in the top, some other clans with mediocre stats (and still in the top), and in the end some active noob clans (no offense, everyone has to start blabla) mm which isn't good now for many reasons.

Lets take a look at singles https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-stats/

This a fact, competitive players don't play this anymore. I recognize 2 names of a good clan here : Lalo and daina, and look at their stats, better than a long story. There is Almog, I don't know him but he's always been on top of leagues but his stats aren't that good, it would be interesting to read is point of view.

Only a one-scheme league which is competitive and TUS classic deserted by good players, this is a bit "light" to say that worms is in its best time. But I guess some people here are overrating the present to pretend they've been fighting hard to succeed ;)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 24, 2011, 07:47 AM
I'm about to change my opinion, because I had a while to think about it, and after a VERY long chat with KRD, it was that long I started out completely sober, and ended up drunk lol.

But anyway, I still think WA is in it's prime, but to me, WA has always been in it's prime, it's never ever once got worse for me, i've always found it the most exciting and fresh game i've ever played, and the biggest part of that is with the people I play with, alot of good friends and players have left, and alot of good friends and players have been made more recently.

I think one of the reasons WA has always stayed fresh for me is because I switched a dramatic switch from playing only Warmers/Ropers to playing only BnGs about 6 years ago, then about 2-3 years ago we started b2b, then just over a year ago we started a2b, and then I joined TuS.

I like to think I have always went with the flow, I always usually complain and/or panic when something big changes in the community, but I always end up either respecting it, or absolutely loving the change.

About all the good players that left, most of which were "Ropers" when you think about it, some people say they left because the way the game was turning out, but I think some of it was a chain reaction, once some of them left, their friends got bored having no one to play with anymore and didn't wanna do anything else with the game.

For me, the game didn't kill Ropers, Ropers leaving killed Ropers.

As for your statement about clanners flex, I don't judge my opinion on statistics, there are around 10-15 clans with extremely good players that could easily reach the top 3 spots if they "wanted" to, but most clans play for fun, and sometimes screw around in-game and play drunk n stuff like that, which is cool I guess.

TdC for example, look at their members, they have talented players that can cover every single scheme and I think if they wanted to they could reach the top 3, but they don't care about points n standings etc, they just play for fun (obviously they try to win but fun comes 1st imo for them), but they are still a great challenge and very relaxing/fun to play, you always get a good conversation/laugh with TdC.

Other clans, I respect because of how laid back they are and how fun to play with.

But that's just me, i'll always love this game, and although I really miss alot of players we've lost, and things are not the same, I will always look at it with as much of a positive view as possible, that's why I think WA is in it's prime for me.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: ZiPpO on January 24, 2011, 10:57 AM
well...i agree with komo..
XD

Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 24, 2011, 11:27 AM
Quote from: ZiPpO on January 24, 2011, 10:57 AM
well...i agree with komo..
XD


Wow... (*trying not to cry*) That's the sweetest thing you've (*fighting back tears*) ever said to anyone...

[cry]
I KNEW THERE WAS GOOD IN YOU, I KNEW IT !!!!
[/cry]
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Dub-c on January 24, 2011, 11:44 AM
lool zippo is a sweatheart deep down. He just tries to be c@#! so noone finds out
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Free on January 24, 2011, 12:41 PM
Skill level is higher, its just natural = the more you play, the better you get.

Activity is the problem. What can we do to fix it?

I'm pissed no1 mentioned me as high class eliter. I'm just about to go shoot myself :/ Jk. :D

Cool thread, nostalgy :)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: ZiPpO on January 24, 2011, 12:43 PM
lol

drama queen :P

i'm a nice guy :D

Quote from: Free on January 24, 2011, 12:41 PM
I'm pissed no1 mentioned me as high class eliter. I'm just about to go shoot myself :/ Jk. :D

you are. dont need be mentioned.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 24, 2011, 01:13 PM
"As for your statement about clanners flex, I don't judge my opinion on statistics, there are around 10-15 clans with extremely good players that could easily reach the top 3 spots if they "wanted" to"

That's why I talk about activity... There used to be all the good clans every night clanning, now they don't play. It's not even arguments, it's facts. And about only ropers before this is a very bold statement, in fb you had to be a good allrounder too... TUS is better than fb, but there way more activity of good clans and players. I'm not trying to defend past times for the sake of it, or to look cool. I'm just saying facts. But it seems you have different criterias than me and I'm not KRD, so I guess we'll never agree.

Free as I said it's not really a "problem", I'm not complaining as we can't change it, I just state the obvious to prove there have been better times (which was the subject of the discussion)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 24, 2011, 01:34 PM
Actually, KRD is on your side of the arguement, he just got me thinking about some things.

There are lots of clans clanning now, but the majority of them play for fun, cuz well, it's more fun most of the time lol.

I've never seen a drop in activity, there is more activity now, just not at the same things, activity is split across different leagues, the average "competitive player" participates in 2-4 different leagues nowadays, with TuS Classic/Free league/TEL/NNNL/LW/a2b/Kaos and more, if you join a few of these, trust me, you will notice more activity than you realised, just gotta pick the right leagues at the right time, to me, this choice is better than in the old days where you only had like 1 main league to play, you have a very good variety of competitive leagues to suit everyones needs.

And I am talking about way way way before FB, like 2000-2004 when Ropers were considered the rulers of WA lol, and without a doubt, they were.

But see, when you say "prove there have been better times" that can't be right, seeing as this debate is opinions and only opinions, there ARE facts for peoples opinions, but the facts don't make ones opinion right or wrong, because it all depends on who sees them in what way.

If I had to choose between today, or "back in the day", i'd stick with today, I have more fun now than I ever did, more variety, more competition (for me) and just more fun.

Free if I had to list all the good players, i'd be here forever lol, but yeah, you are one of the classics :)
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: ZiPpO on January 24, 2011, 01:42 PM
I for one just do not play much classical league because of the rating system tus.

If the system moves maybe the top 20 ppl played more than they play today.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 24, 2011, 02:07 PM
"Actually, KRD is on your side of the arguement, he just got me thinking about some things."

I know, he messaged me in ag and got me thinking about this topic again. I meant maybe you listen more to KRD than me, auha

"There are lots of clans clanning now, but the majority of them play for fun, cuz well, it's more fun most of the time lol."

Or maybe cuz it's dead and noone cares about playoffs

"I've never seen a drop in activity, there is more activity now, just not at the same things, activity is split across different leagues, the average "competitive player" participates in 2-4 different leagues nowadays, with TuS Classic/Free league/TEL/NNNL/LW/a2b/Kaos and more, if you join a few of these, trust me, you will notice more activity than you realised, just gotta pick the right leagues at the right time, to me, this choice is better than in the old days where you only had like 1 main league to play, you have a very good variety of competitive leagues to suit everyones needs."


There have always been leagues like this, and the main league was still more active/competitive than it is now.


"And I am talking about way way way before FB,"

Yeh let's not talk about fb and move on, auha


I'm talking about "facts" because I don't feel like I'm defending past times, (didn't even talk about it in my "bump" post), I feel like i'm just stating the obvious. Whatever
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Dub-c on January 24, 2011, 02:12 PM
As for clanners. If this was year 2000 5150 Wouldn't be a 50% win ratio clan. Don's make a big difference. I like the idea of no Dons. As for ropers. Yea its a shame they are mostly all gone but there are plenty of new ropers who are becoming quite good. Orange and Alenic are like a throwback to the old NBR days.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 24, 2011, 02:25 PM
Quote from: flex on January 24, 2011, 02:07 PM
I know, he messaged me in ag and got me thinking about this topic again. I meant maybe you listen more to KRD than me, auha

Not really lol, I still totally disagreed with him xD

Since when before 2006 were there 8 or more, successful active leagues?

Clanners are not dead, cFc play 100-200 clanners every season... Other clans play alot too, this month is lil less though, with TEL and some other stuff.

Anyway, nite all.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: flex on January 24, 2011, 02:52 PM
There have always been leagues like LW ("language" league), Rotated league in cl2k, or even 2 leagues at the same time, for singles or clanners or both. Still there always was one main successful league, with all best players fighting hard and playoffs played quickly. And I wouldn't call free/classic successful.
I know cfc is active, i said that in my previous post, but I'm talking about activity of good clans. Only dC and cfc are good and active as I said.


Good night? xD
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Dub-c on January 24, 2011, 02:54 PM
Quote from: flex on January 24, 2011, 02:52 PM
There have always been leagues like LW ("language" league), Rotated league in cl2k, or even 2 leagues at the same time, for singles or clanners or both. Still there always was one main successful league, with all best players fighting hard and playoffs played quickly. And I wouldn't call free/classic successful.
I know cfc is active, i said that in my previous post, but I'm talking about activity of good clans. Only dC and cfc are good and active as I said.


Good night? xD
:o
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Anubis on January 24, 2011, 07:47 PM
Since I started to play when roping was on it's prime I will always say the times back then were great and the best overall. Ropers or warmers were hosted all the time, you could always get a good game with someone on WN, be it for fun or a league game, I also think that DoN was actually good for activity, people that were specialized in 1 scheme and could get good stats. If you think about it cl2k/WL had WAY more games than FB simply because they allowed DoN, I bet the # of official league games were incredible high, they were just not reported because of DoN but I could get a league game late at night/early in the morning or whenever I wanted, there were WAY more americans/canadian and aussie players, they were 90% very good players and that is another reason for me why the popularity and quality of ropes has decreased so much.

Our beloved friends from america (and I include Canada here :P) were die hard fans of the roping scheme. When I aliased during this time I picked the American flag, it was a flag of quality. I know there are currently non-americans out there that are very good ropers but to be honest the skill level from NBR will never be reached. Not because I think noone can do it, it's just that noone is left with a really high passion towards roping, people can just watch replays to see the best and coolest tricks. Back then you actually HAD to play with them to see the greatest roping tricks, and it was at a time where still tricks could be developed so people just played endless sessions of warmers together.

After re-reading that part it might sound rascist but it's not lol, to make it short...
The audience of Worms has changed, to make a comparison:if you liked Western Movies you will have a problem nowadays because they are not famous anymore, at least not in the way they used to be. :)

And yeah, for me personally W:A is dead, I like to read the forums or give input to topics that I still care about but the magic has left W:A a few years ago, it started with FB, I adapted to the new competitive way that came with individual scheme rankings and played many clanners since W:A was ALWAYS about the people you play with, not you vs. another, I don't like the 1v1 setup a lot.
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: TheKomodo on January 25, 2011, 07:46 AM
Most of your opinion is based on Rope Kai so I can understand how you feel that way.

There is definately still Ropers out there with "NBR quality" and more than I think you think, at least imo.

Yes, the audience has changed, most of the players we have lost were of American/Canadian/UK nationality, but why should that matter? I think it's better than the whole world is playing now, there are many people of different nationalities and I enjoy having conversations with them about their cultures and stuff.

I respect your opinions you think WA has had better times, hell i'd be ashamed if I didn't, and I do share alot of your views and dissapointed at the loss of certain things, but most of the reasons you gave are Rope related, maybe you just are not open-minded enough to enjoy this new-age of WA?
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: Anubis on January 25, 2011, 06:02 PM
I like the non-roping schemes a lot, hell I was in that one bng clan with Dw33b, al2cane etc. and it was pure fun, and I enjoyed the starComa time with lots of elite. But my heart has always been at roping, it's what got me hooked to Worms years ago. I also liked the Super Sheep games me and Cue had, I have always been open minded to the schemes, just think that I loved the older days more, maybe it's just the old mates I miss and can't adapt to that, they were thinking like me, all day long warmer. I remember I skipped a day of school back then to warm with my NBR buddies due to different timezones, lol.

Oh and another thing, I miss the prime of alias clans, qp and the like, it was just uber fun to guess who those guys were or trying to make your own ropeclan, it was just for fun but some people never realized that it was not to harm people when you make an alias. :)

Me, ropa and Animal had this one clan, something with Mole haha. And me and ropa made a roboter clan, just great memories with him. Or when him and me basically got ToP on our own into playoffs that one season, and then we moved to e5 with marco, thekrow... just awesome to remember that right now. :D
Title: Re: Worms Reloaded--Does W:A still have server?
Post by: qp Magic on January 21, 2013, 05:43 PM
Speaking of horrible alias evil people like Anubis, what a whore you are.
message me.
I need to get you back into this roping shit. I think Ima buy the game again.
Lets alias the f@#! out of #AG
; )