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Name: Mole Cup 2018 - with Group Stage BO3
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: May 11, 2018, 03:08 PM

Cup scheme(s): scheme Myc-MOLE
Click on the book to download the scheme. Click on the scheme name to view the scheme page.

Signups time: May 18, 2018, 12:30 AM

Finished


Description:
Maps standard / custom (both players agreement).

Group Stage and Knockouts: BO3 (2 wins)
Final and Bronze Match: BO5 (3 wins)




INFO for all players using HB



1. !host "name" (for instance: !host "miu miu") or !host mole
2. !tusscheme 964 (loading cup scheme)
3. !tusmap [number] or !wmdb [number]

Map examples:
!tusmap 16188 - Beach
!tusmap 16206 - Hospital
!wmdb 26914 - Mole Craft
!wmdb 24670 - Bora Bora map
!wmdb 1078 - Thunder map
!wmdb 16183 - Milka map
!wmdb 16366 - Coca-Cola map
!wmdb 10064 - Redbrick map

4. !worms 4 (gives both players 4 worms)
5. !close (closing the host)
6. !kick [player nick] (kicking unwanted spectators)
7. !start




GOOD LUCK AND DEEP DIG.

Knockout

Deadline: April 11, 2021, 05:30 PM
Run United Kingdom
AQUA
HP Russia

Run United Kingdom
AQUA

Final

Run United Kingdom
AQUA

Bronze Match

Gold

Silver

Run United Kingdom
AQUA

Bronze









Groups

LAST WEEK GENTELMEN.
Deadline: May 16, 2021, 11:30 PM

Group 1

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Spain MazingerZ
3 2/4 1 #2
United Kingdom Run
2 2/4 0 #1
Russia demon2020
3 1/2 2
Saudi Arabia Mega`Adnan
aePnZaR
2 0/1 2
Games [5]Notes [12]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226963
2:0
April 17, 2021, 07:52 PM 0
226952
2:1
April 16, 2021, 05:26 PM 0
226702
United Kingdom Run

2:0
March 28, 2021, 08:20 PM 0
226654
United Kingdom Run

2:0
March 22, 2021, 06:44 PM 0
226646
2:0
March 17, 2021, 07:40 PM 0

[March 17, 2021, 07:41 PM] : Hey Kinslayer and Run, i need play vs you
[March 18, 2021, 05:44 AM] : Guys, write to me here, we will agree on a day and time! rybak_2020@list.ru
[March 18, 2021, 11:41 AM] : или пишите сюда
[March 18, 2021, 02:17 PM] : i can play Monday to Friday since 17:00-19:30 Spain time
[March 18, 2021, 02:39 PM] : Please, if Run and KinslayeR using different nicknames in worms game, say me for search you
[March 20, 2021, 07:41 AM] : Guys, if you have already decided to participate in the cup, then you need to overcome fear, pull yourself together and fight with worthy rivals!wait battle!
[March 20, 2021, 02:49 PM]
United Kingdom Run
: Oh hey! I didn't notice this handy little message box. Yeah, I'm up for playing :) DM me on here to get my attention
[March 21, 2021, 07:21 PM] : Run = DM?
[March 21, 2021, 08:49 PM]
United Kingdom Run
: Direct Message :D if you send one to my account on this site, I get an email. It's the best way to contact me
[April 11, 2021, 06:36 AM] : Message me on discord: Mega`Preject#5501 to arrange games
[April 11, 2021, 06:38 AM] : I'm usually active around 16 to 20 GMT everyday, otherwise we can manage
[April 15, 2021, 03:38 PM] : Hey Adnan, whats about time zone? In Spain timezone is +1 ;)

Group 2

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Ukraine VITOS-SVOBODA
3 3/6 0 #1
Nepal bitermer
2 1/2 1
Belarus #AnythingGoes
2 0 2
Russia HP
1 0 1 #2
Games [4]Notes [38]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226755
Russia HP

2:0
April 02, 2021, 06:23 PM 0
226739
2:0
April 01, 2021, 01:28 PM 0
226675
2:0
March 26, 2021, 06:19 PM 0
226666
2:0
March 26, 2021, 11:37 AM 0

[March 14, 2021, 03:45 PM] : Когда играть будем?
[March 15, 2021, 05:31 AM] : готов сыграть сегодня в 13 00 по Москве
[March 15, 2021, 01:01 PM] : Бляха ни один из вас не захотел сегодня играть что ж жду завтра всё в тоже время 13.00 по Москве
[March 16, 2021, 05:29 AM] : готов сыграть сегодня в 13 00 по Москве
[March 16, 2021, 10:00 AM] : есть кто ??????
[March 17, 2021, 11:23 AM] : Парни а нафига регистрировались если играть не собираетесь, третий день сюда пишу а ответа нет.
[March 17, 2021, 02:06 PM] : Hey guys, when do you want to play?
[March 17, 2021, 05:28 PM] : Смогу сыграть сегодня вечером или на выходных
[March 18, 2021, 05:21 AM] : I can play right now
[March 18, 2021, 05:23 AM] : VITOS-SVOBODA можешь написать сегодня время когда сможем поиграть? Я точно смогу играть в 13.00 по москве.
[March 18, 2021, 05:37 AM] : I will be able to play at 13.00 Moscow time
[March 18, 2021, 12:18 PM] : #AnythingGoes pls use GMT time.
[March 18, 2021, 12:19 PM] : https://time.is/pl/GMT
[March 19, 2021, 10:42 AM] : VITOS-SVOBODA  хахол ёсть хахол напішы час гульні
[March 19, 2021, 01:33 PM] : VITOS-SVOBODA чакаю тябе у няделю (Воскресенье) у першай палове дня
[March 19, 2021, 04:40 PM] : Могу сыграть сегодня
[March 19, 2021, 04:40 PM] : Могу сыграть сегодня
[March 19, 2021, 04:40 PM] : Бульба,жду игру с тобой
[March 21, 2021, 05:48 AM] : Могу играть сегодня тебя пока что не вижу
[March 21, 2021, 07:00 AM] : хахол бляха муха чакаю сустрэчы ты дзе?
[March 21, 2021, 09:44 AM] : бля ждал пол дня хахол охуенный пацан
[March 21, 2021, 01:02 PM] : Давай вечером сыграем,я был занят
[March 22, 2021, 07:23 AM] : Вечарам я са сваімі сябрамі піў гарэлку...
[March 24, 2021, 10:15 AM] : готов сыграть сегодня
[March 24, 2021, 11:40 AM] : Блять парни что за группа дыбилов попалась все уже сыграли хоть по разу а у нас никто так трудно написать точную дату и время нахер регистрировались уроды места нормальных людей только позанимали.
[March 25, 2021, 05:12 AM] : сегодня есть кто ??????
[March 25, 2021, 09:47 PM] : tomorrow night and weekend i can play
[March 25, 2021, 11:38 PM] : Anytime after 12Pm GMT
[March 26, 2021, 05:24 AM] : I can play for 6 hours from the publication of this record. write me an email if you can play in this period of time
[March 26, 2021, 05:25 AM] : Hatsila@yandex.by
[March 26, 2021, 08:40 AM] : могу играть весь день,создавайте
[March 26, 2021, 04:04 PM] : bitermer go play
[March 29, 2021, 09:27 AM] : bitermer when are you going to play
[March 29, 2021, 05:17 PM] : НР - давай на выходных сыграем
[April 07, 2021, 02:13 PM] : HP когда готов сыграть
[April 13, 2021, 05:45 AM] : HP из-за таких как уродов как ты все проблемы в твоей стране
[April 23, 2021, 08:53 AM] : НP - ты говно а не человек
[May 01, 2021, 05:00 PM] : HP won with bite but I can't report it. Maybe you, bitermer can report,choosing 0:2. Try it :).

Group 3

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Russia Mai
4 3/6 1 #1
Turkey BlankASD
4 2/5 2
Israel liav
3 2/4 1 #2
Brazil Homunculus
3 0/1 3
Games [7]Notes [8]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226972
Russia Mai

1:0
April 20, 2021, 08:35 AM 0
5/5
226792
2:1
April 05, 2021, 05:45 PM 0
226780
1:0
April 05, 2021, 12:31 AM 0
226756
Russia Mai

2:1
April 02, 2021, 07:52 PM 0
226653
Russia Mai

2:0
March 22, 2021, 05:57 PM 2
226652
Russia Mai

2:1
March 22, 2021, 08:15 AM 0
226638
2:1
March 13, 2021, 06:48 AM 0

[March 19, 2021, 01:37 PM] : liav let me know when you are available
[March 22, 2021, 05:58 PM] : i quit this cup
[March 24, 2021, 12:43 AM] : Don't make decision in a hurry. Give yourself a rest. Cup will take some time. Please reconsider :)
[April 05, 2021, 12:32 AM] : Homunculus doesn't want to play the next match
[April 05, 2021, 12:38 AM] : i concede my matches to liav
[April 05, 2021, 12:38 AM] : i have no time for this game anymore, good luck
[April 05, 2021, 05:48 PM] : Because of my advantage on 2 games from which liav disconnected, we agreed that it would be 1-0 for me.Including the last 2 games, it is 2-1.
[April 11, 2021, 05:41 PM] : Ok I got so confused. Blank and Mai please play additional game, BO1. The winner will advance. In this mess and confusing it is the only way.

Group 4

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Mexico Zalo the moler
3 3/6 0 #1
Mexico danie
3 2/4 1 #2
United Kingdom JohnM
2 0/1 2
Brazil djongador
R
2 0 2
Games [5]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226668
2:0
March 26, 2021, 04:53 PM 0
226656
2:1
March 23, 2021, 10:12 PM 0
226641
2:0
March 15, 2021, 12:48 AM 0
226640
2:0
March 13, 2021, 11:42 PM 0
226637
2:0
March 12, 2021, 11:13 PM 0

Group 5

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Singapore leftir
3 3/6 0 #1
Russia Pisyavki
3 2/5 1 #2
Brazil tlocoselli
3 1/3 2
Brazil diogofelt
3 0/2 3
Games [6]Notes [9]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
227103
2:0
May 07, 2021, 04:52 PM 0
227062
2:1
May 02, 2021, 04:32 PM 0
226773
2:1
April 04, 2021, 03:45 PM 0
226701
2:0
March 28, 2021, 07:43 PM 0
226650
3:0
March 21, 2021, 06:02 PM 1
226648
2:1
March 20, 2021, 10:00 PM 0

[March 13, 2021, 06:44 AM] : hey! whatsapp me +79639111112
[March 17, 2021, 10:08 AM] : Hello there! I can play 6am - 7pm GMT (UTC)
[March 18, 2021, 09:13 PM] : Pisyavki, we probably gonna have to play during weekends cause you can play while we are working here in Brazil.
[March 20, 2021, 05:08 PM] : Let's play!
[March 20, 2021, 05:50 PM] : I might be able to play later but I'm not sure yet Pisyavki. I'll text here later if anything changes. But we can try tomorrow too. Same to Leftir.
[March 24, 2021, 03:26 AM] : Is Leftir alive?
[March 26, 2021, 05:45 PM] : Hi guys! Let's play today or tomorrow.
[April 02, 2021, 02:30 PM] : Hi mates, just sent u a private message.
[May 02, 2021, 05:02 PM] : Wow, there is also chat lol?

Group 6

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Russia SIBASA
N11
3 2/4 1 #1
Russia Requin
2 1/2 1
Jamaica Ty3
2 1/2 1 #2
Russia Seenve
N11
1 0/1 1
Deadline: May 25, 2021, 08:30 PM
Games [4]Notes [14]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226738
2:1
April 01, 2021, 12:51 PM 0
4.5/5
226731
Jamaica Ty3

2:0
March 31, 2021, 08:28 PM 0
226730
Jamaica Ty3

2:0
March 31, 2021, 07:16 PM 0
5/5
226651
2:0
March 21, 2021, 08:56 PM 0
3/5

[March 16, 2021, 01:56 AM] : I tried play cup to  Requin (in-game nickname - Shark) two times on different days, but every time it got disconnected. Then he would appear in the "#AnythingGoes" room and immediately play with other people, but he didn't want to play with me anymore. I do not see any other way out, so I announce my victory.
[March 16, 2021, 02:04 PM] : I know Shark and his behaviour and I don't rescpect him for that. But as a cup admin I must treat him neutral. So, Requin vel Shark will have one week to play again with Sibasa. If he won't play or disconnect like in theese 2 games earlier, I will approve reported by Sibasa games. One week.
[March 16, 2021, 02:10 PM] : Oh,and one more thing. You, Requin must arrange the game with Sibasa and play or at least arrange new term for a match. And remeber that too often "disconnecions" will be treated as cheating.
[March 22, 2021, 03:45 PM] : I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE FINAL SCORE SIBASA VS REQUIN. WAS THAT 2:0 OR 2:1?
[March 22, 2021, 05:37 PM] : 2 games disconekt (in the first game  leader Sibasa, in the second game I ) I do not know who awarded the victory . this question for you and sibassa
[March 22, 2021, 05:39 PM] : and the last time they played 2:0 _ i win
[March 22, 2021, 06:03 PM] : who next game with me?
[March 23, 2021, 12:31 PM] : Туз готовь готовь свой туз для игры )))
[March 31, 2021, 10:07 PM] : Ty3 cheated. I uploaded my edited scheme - they constantly got into the game cluster and a banana. Moreover, he stated that he had downloaded it from the site, but he is not in the list of players who downloaded this scheme (I downloaded the scheme and immediately appeared in the list) - this is all recorded in the game's chat.
[April 12, 2021, 01:50 PM] : I replayed the game with Sibasa at his request, the result is the same 2-0
[April 12, 2021, 10:25 PM] : Requin, why did you load the extra game again?
[May 18, 2021, 08:45 PM] : Requin vs Ty3 bo1. Winner advance. 1 week to do it.
[May 20, 2021, 08:17 AM] : Make a time, I'm ready to kick your ass every day
[May 25, 2021, 09:53 PM] : Ty3 hid and does not get in touch

Group 7

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Poland pawelddz55
3 3/6 0 #1
Turkey eataysir
2 1/2 1 #2
Belarus Shibz
2 0/1 2
Uruguay Uruguayo
1 0 1
Games [4]Notes [11]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
226688
2:1
March 27, 2021, 03:13 PM 0
226647
2:0
March 18, 2021, 09:01 PM 1
226645
2:0
March 17, 2021, 07:14 PM 0
5/5
226644
2:0
March 17, 2021, 05:06 PM 0

[March 18, 2021, 11:15 PM] : i am winner cup
[March 23, 2021, 06:31 PM] : Shibz and Uruguayo, please let me know when you want to play. I use same username in HB.
[March 24, 2021, 03:04 PM] : maby today ?
[March 24, 2021, 03:04 PM] : maby today ?
[March 25, 2021, 12:45 PM] : I am available everyday after 8pm (Istanbul time).
[March 25, 2021, 05:32 PM] : who online now?
[March 25, 2021, 05:34 PM] : who online now?
[March 27, 2021, 11:23 AM] : who ready today ? WhatsApp, Viber, Telegramm +375293155494
[March 27, 2021, 01:02 PM] : Hi Shibz, i can play now.
[March 27, 2021, 01:07 PM] : I sent u  a msg. via Whatsapp
[April 24, 2021, 07:14 PM] : Hey Uruguayo, can you please write here your available days and hours?

Group 8

Country Player Groups Total Won Lost
Belarus KartoFan_
3 2/5 1 #2
Poland MycyxPatroN
3 2/4 1 #1
Argentina Seven
3 1/3 2
Brazil Nous
BoM
3 1/2 2
Games [6]Notes [1]

ID Winner Loser Replay Time Game Rate
227002
2:1
April 23, 2021, 11:56 PM 1
226781
2:0
April 05, 2021, 03:44 AM 0
226657
2:0
March 24, 2021, 11:24 AM 0
226655
2:0
March 22, 2021, 11:19 PM 2
226643
2:1
March 16, 2021, 04:02 PM 0
226639
2:0
March 13, 2021, 11:05 PM 1
5/5

[March 12, 2021, 02:58 PM] : I can be found on WormNet this week from about 19-23 GMT.

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Zalo the moler

For 2 weeks my opponent is non-existent on #AnythingGoes. He said once "Come on tomorrow afternoon" but I waited all 6 hours of Ukraine's afternoon and he didn't appear.

Is it normal to see one's opponent chilling outside of the servers for 2 weeks? (O_o) Do you also have this with your opponents?

MycyxPatroN

Quote from: ZorroX on May 01, 2021, 03:10 PM
For 2 weeks my opponent is non-existent on #AnythingGoes. He said once "Come on tomorrow afternoon" but I waited all 6 hours of Ukraine's afternoon and he didn't appear.

Is it normal to see one's opponent chilling outside of the servers for 2 weeks? (O_o) Do you also have this with your opponents?

You still got time. But I have noticed your effort to arrange the game.

Anyway, in Group 2 we have another interesting situation. HP won with bitermer but doesn't know how to report. Hehe. I'm not laughing on him but on this this situation. This never happened before :D. I've already asked bitermer to report 0:2 for HP. I can only delete replays, can't report for player not in my group :(.

No matter how this will end, HP won over bitermer and that's official wins:


https://www.tus-wa.com/files/file-2288/
Wormnet nick: Mycy / Mycy-snoop

leftir

So, when I registered here I accidentally clicked on Singapore instead of Serbia. Is there any way to change it? I can't/don't know how. 

Zalo the moler

Quote from: leftir on May 02, 2021, 04:34 PM
So, when I registered here I accidentally clicked on Singapore instead of Serbia. Is there any way to change it? I can't/don't know how.

You need to go to Singapore embassy in Serbia

leftir

Quote from: ZorroX on May 02, 2021, 06:11 PM
Quote from: leftir on May 02, 2021, 04:34 PM
So, when I registered here I accidentally clicked on Singapore instead of Serbia. Is there any way to change it? I can't/don't know how.

You need to go to Singapore embassy in Serbia

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I DM MonkeyIsland!


MycyxPatroN

CUP UPDATES:

Quote from: Magnus on May 06, 2021, 09:18 PM
Hi Mycy. HP and JohnH (#AnythingGoes) played their games yesterday; managed to match them. It was 2-0 for HP, but as you know, HP is very bad with computers, and JohnH didn't even know the game saved the replays. I tried explaining to him where they are and where he must post them like bitermer did, but I can't guarantee he'll make it. Anyway, 2-0 for HP over JohnH is fact; JohnH even said himself he lost to HP in a game I had with him today. And Run and HP played their 8th final today. Run won 2-0, and he needed that you advanced HP so that he can post his games. He'll play vs danie next.

https://www.tus-wa.com/files/file-2294/
Wormnet nick: Mycy / Mycy-snoop

leftir

Magnus is hero we need but don't deserve

MycyxPatroN

#67
Quote from: leftir on May 08, 2021, 12:03 PM
Magnus is hero we need but don't deserve


Because he is not a hero... He is Silent Guardian. He is ... Dark Knight.

CUP UPDATE:

Pisyavki advanced. Soon I wil give aditional ONE week to play pending games. After that I will advance all remaining players. Group message will be sent.
Wormnet nick: Mycy / Mycy-snoop

Zalo the moler

Quote from: leftir on May 08, 2021, 12:03 PM
Magnus is hero we need but don't deserve

I admit I did not know that TUS counts rounds won inside of the lost matches. I only noticed it doesn't count losses inside of the won ones. Although I still support extra battles deciding who "goes through" and equal wins/losses, Magnus did a good job of informing me about TUS mechanics. As I was mistaken, I return my honours :-[

Requin

Seenve does not respond to messages, although he reads them regularly, 2 weeks ago he wrote that we will play right now and disappeared, we have a very unsuccessful group  >:(

MycyxPatroN

CUP UPDATE:

Players advanced to Cup Phase. Requin vs Ty3 bo1 additional match. Winner advance. 1 week to do it.
Wormnet nick: Mycy / Mycy-snoop

Magnus

Quote from: MycyxPatroN on May 18, 2021, 08:47 PM
CUP UPDATE:

Players advanced to Cup Phase. Requin vs Ty3 bo1 additional match. Winner advance. 1 week to do it.

But didn't you say you were taking direct confrontation in your tie break rules? If that is so, Ty3 already beat Requin for #2 there and they wouldn't need to play.

Quote from: MycyxPatroN on April 21, 2021, 08:08 PM
Cup results updated. In Group 1 and 5 I've already marked winners and 2nd places based on victories and direct victories.

Best example is Group 1: Run have 2 played matches, Mazi 3. Why Run is on 1st place? Because he has direct win over Mazi. Even if he would loose in his 3rd match, Run and Mazi will have 2 wins and 1 losses but still Run beat Mazi. This is hard logic :).

Same thing in Group 5. This is the rule I'm using in every Group. Of course you can still play your matches to complete your Pending Games.

But if you're indeed going with this, shouldn't eataysir play an extra match with SaHoN as well since Uruguayo has been very inactive and neither of the two were ever able to meet with him? Because in both groups three players might tie and need extra matches.

Requin

#72
Quote from: MycyxPatroN on May 18, 2021, 08:47 PM
CUP UPDATE:

Players advanced to Cup Phase. Requin vs Ty3 bo1 additional match. Winner advance. 1 week to do it.

Well, as I said, soon we will see tricks https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-1064/msg278568/#msg278568
It's very interesting how Sibasa got into the tournament, Seenve, as we can see, can be ruled out, except that he didn't play with Sibasa with anyone, most likely he was a decoy - he wrote to me for a month that we would play soon, and then just disappeared !!! I want to note - Senwe and Sibasa are from the same clan !!!
TOTAL
SIBASA-Ty3 2: 0
Requin-SIBASA 2: 0
Ty3 - Requin 2: 1 (!!!)

The question about my won game with Ty3  - why should I run after Ty3 and prove that this game took place, I reported it as it should, and Musi deleted

This is not a championship but a misunderstanding  >:(



Zalo the moler

#73
Well... I suggested Requin vs Ty3 to Mycy, since Ty3 unfairly reported 2:0 instead of 2:1. I think it's a bit below the belt to omit replays. Also Requin's group didn't allow them to have 3 games, which is a standard when deciding that somebody is eliminated somebody isn't. In fact, they barely played any games (1 win&1 loss is not enough for an advancing verdict IMO).

Magnus

Quote from: ZorroX on May 19, 2021, 08:03 PM
Well... I suggested Requin vs Ty3 to Mycy, since Ty3 unfairly reported 2:0 instead of 2:1. I think it's a bit below the belt to omit replays. Also Requin's group didn't allow them to have 3 games, which is a standard when deciding that somebody is eliminated somebody isn't. In fact, they barely played any games (1 win&1 loss is not enough for an advancing verdict IMO).
I've been assuming Ty3 didn't post Requin's won round because of his group note, so maybe Ty3 doesn't even know a game is missing there:

[March 31, 2021, 10:07 PM] Russian Federation Requin: Ty3 cheated. I uploaded my edited scheme - they constantly got into the game cluster and a banana. Moreover, he stated that he had downloaded it from the site, but he is not in the list of players who downloaded this scheme (I downloaded the scheme and immediately appeared in the list) - this is all recorded in the game's chat.

...even though I know Ty3 didn't cheat as it was clearly played on Mycy's scheme.

It was still wrong of him not uploading the true score, but Mycy could just send him a message to fix that. Mycy isn't counting rounds won either, so him having won the match by 2-0 or 2-1 doesn't make a difference in his qualifying score before the others. I don't see this being a reason to make them replay, but if they end up doing so, it'd be unfair for SaHoN as he hasn't lost yet as tying is still possible. So I think that if Mycy decides to do this, SaHoN should play bo1 with eataysir, which IMO is the worst way to resolve this as their score had been settled already. I'd say better options would be to either just consider direct confrontation, and in this case Ty3 and eataysir advance, or do as Requin suggested and eliminate Seenve (and Uruguayo) from the score counting of the groups. In this case, SIBASA, Requin and Ty3 would play bo1, and eataysir would advance.