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New warmer challenge :)
https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-84/
45sec turns this time
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Nice, more my style of map :)
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45 =D cool, gonna give it a try soon
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this map much more harder for freestyle that previous one
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Well, far from a good turn, but I need some start point :D
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this map much more harder for freestyle that previous one
Imo in the previous map it was too easy to do fluke-tricks. Like, you didn't have to be very accurate in what you do.. The rope would just attach somewhere else. :P
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Best i could manage so far :( I shall try it more over the weekend ;D
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This map is damn better franz d:
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I predict some ownage runs on this map.
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I strongly believe the scores should be out of 7.5 if it's going to be 45 seconds.
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I strongly believe the scores should be out of 7.5 if it's going to be 45 seconds.
lol why? I don't understand the out of 7.5, just curious.
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I strongly believe the scores should be out of 7.5 if it's going to be 45 seconds.
I was wondering when you were gonna turn up.
This is right up your street.
:<
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I have had some of the craziest 30-35 sec turns of my life on this map. Absolutely love this map. Crazyness is coming real soon! I'm addicted to warmer again! Damn you Franz!!
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I played 40 mins warm in offline and didnt did aything good
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I have had some of the craziest 30-35 sec turns of my life on this map. Absolutely love this map. Crazyness is coming real soon! I'm addicted to warmer again! Damn you Franz!!
Yay!! More people to join me with my warmer addiction ;D
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I strongly believe the scores should be out of 7.5 if it's going to be 45 seconds.
lol why? I don't understand the out of 7.5, just curious.
Because you deserve, at most, 3/4 of the full score for a turn that lasts 3/4 of a full Warmer turn.
Keeps the scores between this and the style contests comparable, at least on paper... kind of. Even though the criteria are slightly different between the two (if I'm reading the description right), it still makes sense to me that doing the same thing on the same map here and online should give you a score that's in the same ballpark at least.
I was wondering when you were gonna turn up.
This is right up your street.
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My, um... err... hands are blistered, yeah, that's right. That's why I haven't roped in months. :-[
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Or you could try 45sec too in a live style contest tournament :]
I'm just trying new things to help bring warmer back a little closer to what it once was in the old days.
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Erased because it didn't make sense. Sorry.
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Same drill as last time then, franz? You'll judge the first batch with 7 days to go?
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I was thinking either that or until enough different players participate, whichever came first.
So I might do score them soon, and if so, score all the following ones every few days.
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Gotcha.
I'll see if I can produce something decent (and actually decide which of my turns is the best), but I can't see myself competing with a warmed up DubC... certainly not with 45s turns. :D
Edit: There, I sent one in last night. Apart from the 20:32 turn, you may consider the one at 19:23 as my second submission if you end up having the time to look at it. But I'm pretty sure it deserves a lower score.
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Almost halfway through the challenge.
The first scores are up now.
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sweet [=
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WOW @ scoring, I won't be participating anymore.
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Indeed lol..I can't belive.
Good run krd ;|
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come on shady, all is pretty predictably, as I imaginate, da only 1 things about what I not sure its points between krd and statik x)
Slovenian pwn
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Well, no1 cares about tricks as I see, hope I'll find some time and inspiration for this map...
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In an online style contest you get 15 seconds more, each second adding exponentially more difficulty, and only three attempts. Scoring a 5 there is something remarkable, and hard to see.
Consider that, and maybe you'll realize about the proper merit of these scores. :)
We were going to host experimental (not so official) X-Worms contests with Mablak, to try ideas out, but we didn't have a chance so far. Maybe sometime before the next Olympics.
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good turn strippy, gonna be smth around 7.
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Hey Stripe, it is NOT kick contest :P ;D
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good turn strippy, gonna be smth around 7.
no way but thanks, hehe Stati was just to attach sth no time this week to play:(
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11:18 now sth more stylishh
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Reminder: challenge deadline - Wednesday June 15, 23:00 GMT
almost 10 day(s) in now -> less than 6 day(s) left of the challenge.
Newest scores are up now. (Stripe and Ray)
@ThaShady1, your first 25sec were great. your 2 falls were what held down your score though. I encourage you to keep trying.
@Statik, you said "no1 cares about tricks as I see" but your 1 fall with 3sec left was what held down your score.
with a safe finish, your turn would have easily passed krd's. keep trying.
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with a safe finish, your turn would have easily passed krd's. keep trying.
In my opinion that is what is wrong with these challenges. A safe finish should be penalized not rewarded. The nicest overall turn should have the highest score, regardless of how many falls. My run was not my best, I was completely cold and did that run in 4 mins, I was more concerned about the other scores.
I do appreciate you taking the time to host these challenges though.
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with a safe finish, your turn would have easily passed krd's. keep trying.
In my opinion that is what is wrong with these challenges. A safe finish should be penalized not rewarded. The nicest overall turn should have the highest score, regardless of how many falls. My run was not my best, I was completely cold and did that run in 4 mins, I was more concerned about the other scores.
I do appreciate you taking the time to host these challenges though.
Heh, I just wanted to write the same message. Since franz mentioned I got to rope safe in the end, it made me kinda mad ::) My answer is short: NEVA! ;D And that's why I finished both my tries a little earlier :D
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with a safe finish, your turn would have easily passed krd's. keep trying.
In my opinion that is what is wrong with these challenges. A safe finish should be penalized not rewarded. The nicest overall turn should have the highest score, regardless of how many falls. My run was not my best, I was completely cold and did that run in 4 mins, I was more concerned about the other scores.
I do appreciate you taking the time to host these challenges though.
A safe finish is penalized -> by it not improving their score much at all, possibly even hurting it (depending on how 'safe')
On the other hand, every fall is penalized worse -> so the goal should still be to avoid any falls at all.
Just letting you know my thought process.
I do appreciate your participation here ThaShady1, and I hope you continue to do so.
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I'm not sure my run is creative enough to beat KRD's, but I'll try some more later in any case ;0
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Mablak's style looks so strange to me :D But at least it looks like a warma, and not a trick race ;)
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blah, its his own nice style, if you practisee your rope a litlle, maybe you will do smth like that ;D
Will be good if all get 7 and I with stripe will be 2nd xd
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mexiiissssss, damn wasted 3rd ive done dragon instead >:( xD
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zomg, I will be 5th or 6th, need to do new turn, this one that I uploaded in 4 min after chellenge posted to old ;d
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That's an excellent combination in the middle of your 8:02 run, Stripe.
Mab's ridiculously well-timed taps blow me away as usual, but it's true that with 45 second turns, it's only harder to squeeze in both a slower, tricky section as well as more than just a few kicks and Spikes done at crazy speed; he did the former better than anyone else can, really, but maybe ran out of time for other stuff because of it.
Well, my key lock limits me on both ends, so in my attempt, I was forced (It wasn't a strategy, honest!) to go the middle road and it ended up impressing franz more than I thought it would. But I honestly think that there's at least five of you here who could beat it without having to spend ages on this one map. That's also why it feels to me like our scores are perhaps a bit high, but I haven't made my mind up about that yet. Need to interrogate franz on the matter first and see what he's doing differently compared to contests.
Oh and it is a pretty great map. Starts feeling a lot less cramped once you get used to it and the sharp corners make speed easier to maintain than it is on most Warmer maps. Plus as Mab has shown, there's a bunch of neat places for what I like to call midget roping there, you just have to spot them. :P
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heheh
well I likely won't be able to score these new ones till monday+ but I am looking forward to it
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and just for fun, here's an attempt I did a few days ago ^^
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Is there anyway to skip faster to the peoples runs? Takes me forever to skip turns to get to peoples runs that are after like 20 and 30 mins.
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Space advances a turn.
0 + 9 does super speedy fast forward.
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Right click on replay file then "Playback at" moves automaticaly to the respective turn :D
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Right click on replay file then "Playback at" moves automaticaly to the respective turn :D
Thanks man!!! That is f@#!ing awesome!
+1 for life
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Right click on replay file then "Playback at" moves automaticaly to the respective turn :D
Thanks man!!! That is f@#!ing awesome!
+1 for life
Wtf. There's people that still don't know that!?
I assumed you were talking about playing automatically from downloading it.
:D
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lol shady is drunk? :D
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lol shady is drunk? :D
Shady's too old school :P
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A lot of new runs! Should be some interesting scores with the contrast in styles.
I decided to keep participating, warmer should not be taken so seriously and the scores need to be taken with a grain of salt. I support what Franz is trying to do and I like to promote warmer and its dying art. Different judges have different opinions on what warmer is and on what moves and styles are worth more points. Just going to rope for fun and to impress myself and not worry about others. I know I'm the shit and that's all that matters ;D
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Reminder: challenge deadline - Wednesday June 15, 23:00 GMT
almost 12 day(s) in now -> less than 3 day(s) left of the challenge.
Newest scores are up now. (Statik/Mablak/Stripe/ThaShady1)
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wow, now I 5th xd
Time to go play in offline.
franz, contest chellenge become more popular then ttrr and other, I think you need to continue organising it ;d
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yay! I did lucky, but really cool turn! In offline much more easier, watch how I tried just swing in left, but did an awesome swoosh to pump swing xd It was best part of turn, only unlucky was multi-kick in last seconds :)
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yay! I did lucky, but really cool turn! In offline much more easier, watch how I tried just swing in left, but did an awesome swoosh to pump swing xd It was best part of turn, only unlucky was multi-kick in last seconds :)
lol that was sweet!!! But don't say it was lucky, take credit for that shit, you did it ;D
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8.5 O_O ..
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That's what StatiK does when he gets bored :D
P.S. Specially for Stripe ;D
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That's what StatiK does when he gets bored :D
P.S. Specially for Stripe ;D
You should try pulling all the way into your kicks, they look a lot better imo and add more difficulty.
Edit: Sorry, what I originally said sounded really rude lol and I didn't mean it to sound that way.
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8.5 O_O ..
Hakuna Matata uhauhauha
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Imo Shady's best turn is better than Mablak's (no offence to anyone :D), I know its subjective but I strongly feel Shady's turn has the edge over the other one :)
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Imo Shady's best turn is better than Mablak's (no offence to anyone :D), I know its subjective but I strongly feel Shady's turn has the edge over the other one :)
Sure, at least it's not 1 point worse lol! Or mablak's is not 1 point better haha :P It is precise & accurate but no real extreme...
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Yeh but I was only talking strictly in "1rst-and-2nd" comparison :)
btw, get your statik ass (what a joke :P) and comment on my nice new run in Alenic XD
EDIT: I apologise for not making my "criticism" more constructive but I'll try now: given that the more impressive bits (landing on small edge for example) were done by both, and the general skill level looked equal, I was left with the feeling that it was 1 turn that was slightly faster in speed (Mablak's) and 1 that had a bit more variety and looked prettier (Shady's)
I'm not trying to change anyone's decision, this is a discussion :D
and yes, I do think Stat's run is eaaaaaasily better than KRD's, that little near-fall at the end cannot possibly account for the placement. I can see your point Franz but simply by comparing the 2 runs they would be the other way around in my list and I say this because one of the most important thing in warmer like this is flow and in this case the flow didnt stop since he roped straight back so grading down for that is a bit silly if this is the way freestyle is usually graded.
I'm not measuring using points but by simply comparing 1 turn with the other.
Again, remember that no one should be offended by this, I'm simply saying an opinion. We all thank franz because hosting and grading such contest is never easy :)
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Sure, at least it's not 1 point worse lol! Or mablak's is not 1 point better haha :P It is precise & accurate but no real extreme...
Mab had a nice run but I don't think Franz would have given me a 8.5 for that run ;)
Can't criticize Franz though, its her opinion and I'm just glad he is hosting these.
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Yes, 8.5 is a bit much to me. But then again I'm used to judging on the basis of 60 second turns, and it's pretty impossible for anyone to do a perfectly wide variety of moves in 45 seconds, so things may be just a little more weighted in terms of scoring variation.
Dub and I rope pretty similarly, the only thing that might've put me higher is my using a bit more of the map and avoiding repetition. Dub went back to the middle of the map just briefly, and spiked on the inside right island 3 different times, so that small amount of repetition may have taken him down .25 to .5 points. Not very noticeable, but I suppose it makes a much bigger difference when you don't have that full 60 seconds.
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Dub and I rope pretty similarly, the only thing that might've put me higher is my using a bit more of the map and avoiding repetition. Dub went back to the middle of the map just briefly, and spiked on the inside right island 3 different times, so that small amount of repetition may have taken him down .25 to .5 points. Not very noticeable, but I suppose it makes a much bigger difference when you don't have that full 60 seconds.
That's easy to say though. I could say starting your turn with 4 consecutive outlaws is repetitive. I used the middle right hole where you didn't go but you went in the middle left hole so its hard to say you used more of the map. I'm definitely not trying to argue my run was better, just, that different people see different things and judging is pretty damn hard ;)
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Ok people, I just suggest to enjoy warmings, because we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings. But if franz will make a list of things we have to do to get 10 points, then it'll be more sensible. I know he likes kicks, so 10 plz :D
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we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings
Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!
So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!
I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting ;D
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Enjoying is no1 but from there on we must know wtf's going on haha :)
its like every sport with judges, even if u have a veeeerrry well-defined system of grading 10% is the judge's personal opinion. SO imagine in roping that is so free in space and lack of structure...
We can all agree its simply impossible to have totally subjective grades and could perhaps have 2 judges next time, BUT:
I'm very serious about the "small fall" thing. I think that as long as flow is maintained and chute barely opens the judge should help by allowing no point reduction, this way speed and risk is encouraged.
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we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings
Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!
So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!
I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting ;D
Nice to hear :D
I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers ;D).
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we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings
Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!
So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!
I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting ;D
Nice to hear :D
I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers ;D).
So basically we need God's help not MI's haha :p
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we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings
Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!
So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!
I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting ;D
Nice to hear :D
I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers ;D).
Judging a warmer is just too damn hard. Franz is doing the best he can with judging such an expressionistic scheme.
More judges with different styles judging the runs independently and coming up with an average could potentially help biases.
Again, I'm just glad Franz is hosting and bringing some life back to warmers.
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Yea adding a 1 more judge would be great.
And for me still doing maybe less speedy runs but more accurate and sexy is betta, every one got their opinions, but still Franz is doing great job being objective, well done scoring
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statik what a hell you reported? 1.5 ;D
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statik what a hell you reported? 1.5 ;D
Ye, it wasn't very nice. But I've imporved my turn now! ;D
And yes, it's my style... today's style :P
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150 kicks all 45 sec is boring to watch, isnt it?
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I have to note, Impo is not objective, because he envies :D
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@Statik, you keep saying "I know he likes kicks" but I don't know where you are getting this from.
Please stop misinforming everyone because all I see this doing is leading people the wrong way.
I will likely delete those two replays of only kicks unless I'm convinced not to.
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What is the reason of deleting? It's just a run, like all others. And about kicks, it is my opinion based on previous challenge, ppl are free to trust me or not, but I don't want to put "imho" or "I think" before all my messages, because every message is obviously someone's personal thought ;) Peace.
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Yea adding a 1 more judge would be great.
And for me still doing maybe less speedy runs but more accurate and sexy is betta, every one got their opinions, but still Franz is doing great job being objective, well done scoring
The higher the speed the higher the difficulty. I don't understand what you mean by accurate.
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Yea adding a 1 more judge would be great.
And for me still doing maybe less speedy runs but more accurate and sexy is betta, every one got their opinions, but still Franz is doing great job being objective, well done scoring
The higher the speed the higher the difficulty. I don't understand what you mean by accurate.
Ok ill compare it to your turn, 4.06. Higher speed more difficult in what? Doing inlaw to dbl kick and repeat it 2 times? Than spike, than few bounces back, the only thing which speed could affect in doing that "tricks" was spike to this small piece of land. As i said before in first or 2nd dont remember exacly rsc here its not kick contest, speed contest, tricks contest, warmer contest or whatever, for me style contest just mean sth other than to you, as we all see. I can rope with high speed doing spikes and kicks but for me personally its not worth posting here. Lot of ppl said their arguments, judge is judge, he doing great job. I just gave you my point of style understanding and speed is the lowest argument here. If u can compare 2 same "tricks" turns of course higher speed gonna have more points, but you cant compare it cause same turns just wont happen. Check rsc`s WO archive to see that speed isnt a factor which determines win or lose.
IMO scoring would be a WAY other if Ill be judge but thats just another point of view. I have much fun posting my replays here and thats all, waiting for rsc4.
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Maybe there is a language barrier, but, I have a really hard time understanding what you are trying to say. I feel like you are insulting my style.
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Maybe there is a language barrier, but, I have a really hard time understanding what you are trying to say. I feel like you are insulting my style.
Not really, i think he's just trying to say that u have different opinion on "what looks nice" in freestyle roping.
I think we've over-analysed the whole damn thing though...Too much discussion (or arguing) is not the freestyle spirit, just play and enjoy :)
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just quoting franz:
Yes judging is subjective, but this is for fun. I do my best to judge fairly.
If anyone thinks they might get offended by the judging, please don't participate.
If not, and you want a friendly warmer competition, I encourage you to play.
So this discussion is kinda pointless :P
P.S. Maybe we should change judges every challenge? But I afraid there are not so many candidates better/same than franz ::)
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Maybe there is a language barrier, but, I have a really hard time understanding what you are trying to say. I feel like you are insulting my style.
Not really, i think he's just trying to say that u have different opinion on "what looks nice" in freestyle roping.
I think we've over-analysed the whole damn thing though...Too much discussion (or arguing) is not the freestyle spirit, just play and enjoy :)
Greek player understand my post and Canadian doesnt? weird, as i mentioned in last words, its cool challange i rly enjoy it, and im only answering for question:)
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blah, my 2nd replay really better then 1st, dunno why it have only 5.75 :<