Author Topic: Map: 2004-08-28xwormsFranzMap in challenge #84 (Read 18981 times)

Statik · « **Reply #60 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:26 AM »

Quote from: Desetroyah on June 14, 2011, 03:15 AM

Imo Shady's best turn is better than Mablak's (no offence to anyone ), I know its subjective but I strongly feel Shady's turn has the edge over the other one

Sure, at least it's not 1 point worse lol! Or mablak's is not 1 point better haha

It is precise & accurate but no real extreme...

Desetroyah · « **Reply #61 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:37 AM »

Yeh but I was only talking strictly in "1rst-and-2nd" comparison

btw, get your statik ass (what a joke

) and comment on my nice new run in Alenic XD

EDIT: I apologise for not making my "criticism" more constructive but I'll try now: given that the more impressive bits (landing on small edge for example) were done by both, and the general skill level looked equal, I was left with the feeling that it was 1 turn that was slightly faster in speed (Mablak's) and 1 that had a bit more variety and looked prettier (Shady's)

I'm not trying to change anyone's decision, this is a discussion

and yes, I do think Stat's run is eaaaaaasily better than KRD's, that little near-fall at the end cannot possibly account for the placement. I can see your point Franz but simply by comparing the 2 runs they would be the other way around in my list and I say this because one of the most important thing in warmer like this is flow and in this case the flow didnt stop since he roped straight back so grading down for that is a bit silly if this is the way freestyle is usually graded.

I'm not measuring using points but by simply comparing 1 turn with the other.

Again, remember that no one should be offended by this, I'm simply saying an opinion. We all thank franz because hosting and grading such contest is never easy

Dub-c · « **Reply #62 on:** June 14, 2011, 04:40 AM »

Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 03:26 AM

Sure, at least it's not 1 point worse lol! Or mablak's is not 1 point better haha It is precise & accurate but no real extreme...

Mab had a nice run but I don't think Franz would have given me a 8.5 for that run

Can't criticize Franz though, its her opinion and I'm just glad he is hosting these.

Mablak · « **Reply #63 on:** June 14, 2011, 05:28 AM »

Yes, 8.5 is a bit much to me. But then again I'm used to judging on the basis of 60 second turns, and it's pretty impossible for anyone to do a perfectly wide variety of moves in 45 seconds, so things may be just a little more weighted in terms of scoring variation.

Dub and I rope pretty similarly, the only thing that might've put me higher is my using a bit more of the map and avoiding repetition. Dub went back to the middle of the map just briefly, and spiked on the inside right island 3 different times, so that small amount of repetition may have taken him down .25 to .5 points. Not very noticeable, but I suppose it makes a much bigger difference when you don't have that full 60 seconds.

Dub-c · « **Reply #64 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:32 AM »

Quote from: Mablak on June 14, 2011, 05:28 AM

Dub and I rope pretty similarly, the only thing that might've put me higher is my using a bit more of the map and avoiding repetition. Dub went back to the middle of the map just briefly, and spiked on the inside right island 3 different times, so that small amount of repetition may have taken him down .25 to .5 points. Not very noticeable, but I suppose it makes a much bigger difference when you don't have that full 60 seconds.

That's easy to say though. I could say starting your turn with 4 consecutive outlaws is repetitive. I used the middle right hole where you didn't go but you went in the middle left hole so its hard to say you used more of the map. I'm definitely not trying to argue my run was better, just, that different people see different things and judging is pretty damn hard

Statik · « **Reply #65 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:45 AM »

Ok people, I just suggest to enjoy warmings, because we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings. But if franz will make a list of things we have to do to get 10 points, then it'll be more sensible. I know he likes kicks, so 10 plz

Dub-c · « **Reply #66 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:54 AM »

Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 06:45 AM

we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings

Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!

So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!

I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting

Desetroyah · « **Reply #67 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:58 AM »

Enjoying is no1 but from there on we must know wtf's going on haha

its like every sport with judges, even if u have a veeeerrry well-defined system of grading 10% is the judge's personal opinion. SO imagine in roping that is so free in space and lack of structure...

We can all agree its simply impossible to have totally subjective grades and could perhaps have 2 judges next time, BUT:

I'm very serious about the "small fall" thing. I think that as long as flow is maintained and chute barely opens the judge should help by allowing no point reduction, this way speed and risk is encouraged.

Statik · « **Reply #68 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:02 AM »

Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 14, 2011, 06:54 AM

Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 06:45 AM
we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings

Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!

So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!

I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting

Nice to hear

I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers

).

Desetroyah · « **Reply #69 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:08 AM »

Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 07:02 AM

Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 14, 2011, 06:54 AM
Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 06:45 AM
we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings

Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!

So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!

I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting
Nice to hear
I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers ).

So basically we need God's help not MI's haha :p

Dub-c · « **Reply #70 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:14 AM »

Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 07:02 AM

Quote from: ThaShady1 on June 14, 2011, 06:54 AM
Quote from: Statik on June 14, 2011, 06:45 AM
we all have different styles and it's like rating paintings

Wow, I absolutely love that analogy!!

So f@#!ing true and why I always hated warmer contests in the past and why I always said a warmer can not be judged! I could never really express how I felt and why I thought that but you just nailed it!

I don't think Franz should or can state how to get a 10. A warmer challenge can't be a checklist, its a painting
Nice to hear
I think this challenge needs a rating system so we all can vote for runs (and some mechanism to aviod haters and lovers ).

Judging a warmer is just too damn hard. Franz is doing the best he can with judging such an expressionistic scheme.

More judges with different styles judging the runs independently and coming up with an average could potentially help biases.

Again, I'm just glad Franz is hosting and bringing some life back to warmers.

Stripe · « **Reply #71 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:23 AM »

Yea adding a 1 more judge would be great.

And for me still doing maybe less speedy runs but more accurate and sexy is betta, every one got their opinions, but still Franz is doing great job being objective, well done scoring

Impossible · « **Reply #72 on:** June 14, 2011, 08:04 AM »

statik what a hell you reported? 1.5

Statik · « **Reply #73 on:** June 14, 2011, 08:11 AM »

Quote from: Impossible on June 14, 2011, 08:04 AM

statik what a hell you reported? 1.5

Ye, it wasn't very nice. But I've imporved my turn now!

And yes, it's my style... today's style

Impossible · « **Reply #74 on:** June 14, 2011, 08:45 AM »

150 kicks all 45 sec is boring to watch, isnt it?

	Player	Record	Replay	Map Points	Posted	Overall Points	Info
1st	Mablak	8.5s	p:18:05	20	June 11, 2011, 05:24 AM	3,043	Downloads Downloaded 578 time(s). 16 members and about 562 guests have downloaded this replay. Swist March 29, 2013, 12:29 PM Phoenix1313 December 06, 2013, 01:07 AM TOMT December 16, 2013, 09:42 PM coreman December 19, 2013, 03:54 PM Hussar March 07, 2014, 10:51 AM BoolC July 16, 2014, 09:40 PM KiSH November 30, 2014, 11:06 PM Rabbzz April 11, 2016, 06:03 AM Sensei November 09, 2017, 02:42 AM Corujão June 28, 2021, 07:33 PM TheKomodo October 01, 2021, 07:18 PM pavlepavle October 01, 2021, 07:34 PM Mablak October 01, 2021, 07:52 PM
	Mablak	7.5s	p:35:17	0	June 11, 2011, 07:43 AM	3,043	Downloads Downloaded 409 time(s). 2 members and about 407 guests have downloaded this replay. Swist March 29, 2013, 12:29 PM AlTarf January 26, 2014, 09:00 PM
2nd	Dub-c	7.5s	p:4:06	15	June 11, 2011, 09:17 PM	1,117	Downloads Downloaded 474 time(s). 6 members and about 468 guests have downloaded this replay. Dub-c May 13, 2013, 03:20 AM KiSH November 30, 2014, 11:09 PM Rabbzz April 11, 2016, 06:02 AM Sensei November 09, 2017, 02:41 AM Corujão June 28, 2021, 07:44 PM
	Dub-c	7s	p:1:10	0	June 11, 2011, 09:17 PM	1,117
	Dub-c	6s	p:2:54	0	June 11, 2011, 09:35 PM	1,117	Downloads Downloaded 419 time(s). 1 members and about 418 guests have downloaded this replay. Dub-c April 22, 2013, 04:29 PM
	Dub-c	5.75s	p:4:05	0	June 02, 2011, 07:41 PM	1,117
3rd	KoreanRedDragon	7s	p:20:32	10	June 05, 2011, 03:22 AM	1,230	Downloads Downloaded 519 time(s). 4 members and about 515 guests have downloaded this replay. Dub-c May 13, 2013, 03:16 AM KiSH November 30, 2014, 11:09 PM Corujão August 08, 2021, 07:27 PM
4th	Statik	6.75s	p:26:09	5	June 05, 2011, 10:38 AM	5,908	Downloads Downloaded 406 time(s). 2 members and about 404 guests have downloaded this replay. KiSH November 30, 2014, 11:09 PM
	Statik	6.25s	p:22:30	0	June 12, 2011, 11:02 PM	5,908
	Statik	6s	p:5:40	0	June 10, 2011, 10:05 PM	5,908
	Statik	5.75s	p:16:59	0	June 02, 2011, 11:45 AM	5,908
4th	Stripe	6.75s	p:8:02	5	June 11, 2011, 10:00 AM	1,125
	Stripe	6.5s	p:11:17	0	June 09, 2011, 07:35 AM	1,125
	Stripe	5.5s	p:7:10	0	June 07, 2011, 09:22 AM	1,125
5th	Impossible	6.5s	p:12:09	4	June 01, 2011, 10:51 PM	1,064
	Impossible	5.75s	p:23:12	0	June 13, 2011, 08:40 PM	1,064
6th	Ray	5.5s	p:9:23	3	June 07, 2011, 05:10 PM	1,224
	Ray	4.75s	p:8:54	0	June 07, 2011, 05:10 PM	1,224
7th	angus	5.5s	p:00:00	2	June 04, 2011, 03:21 PM	1,473	Downloads Downloaded 364 time(s). 1 members and about 363 guests have downloaded this replay. Rabbzz April 11, 2016, 06:04 AM
	angus	3s	p:31:23	0	June 04, 2011, 03:13 PM	1,473
8th	Husk	5.25s	p:11:14	1	June 02, 2011, 07:11 PM	5,233	Downloads Downloaded 304 time(s). 1 members and about 303 guests have downloaded this replay. Nimsch-jr April 07, 2013, 04:01 PM
9th	ka1ser	4.25s	p:21:04	0	June 14, 2011, 07:34 AM	1,024	Downloads Downloaded 453 time(s). 2 members and about 451 guests have downloaded this replay. KiSH November 30, 2014, 11:09 PM
10th	TapstaR	4s	p:19:43	0	June 02, 2011, 01:33 PM	1,011	Downloads Downloaded 447 time(s). 1 members and about 446 guests have downloaded this replay. Sensei November 09, 2017, 02:37 AM

	Points	Overall Points
dt	45	12,690
b2b	40	6,402
ea	27	9,787
Kf	19	1,883
ps	10	3,044
sX	9	2,948
FUB	8	1,625
CF	8	2,608
FoS	8	3,728
TdC	7	7,695
nGr	5	1,011

	Points	Overall Points
Mablak	25	3,043
Dub-c	20	1,117
KoreanRedDragon	15	1,230
Statik	10	5,908
Stripe	10	1,125
Impossible	9	1,064
Ray	8	1,224
angus	8	1,473
Husk	7	5,233
ka1ser	6	1,024
TapstaR	5	1,011

	Points	Overall Points
United States	25	8,371
Canada	20	1,539
Russian Federation	16	22,410
Slovenia	15	1,496
Poland	10	7,492
Ukraine	9	8,090
Italy	8	3,135
Hungary	8	4,435
Finland	7	6,395
Australia	5	1,271

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Author Topic: Map: 2004-08-28xwormsFranzMap in challenge #84 (Read 18981 times)