(warning: not a perfect english, but understandable I think xD)
This complaint isn't for a specific situation, it's for the moment of picking our scheme at clanners.
There's an analyzer here in the league, that help us to decide which scheme we could pick for gain more point or lose less, but, in MANY, but MANY times, we, clan TaG, can't pick OUR scheme because our rival says things like: "ahhh, we can't play rope games, sorry", "just default, ok?" and it's ok when that happen BEFORE of accepting to play a clanner (hmmm... yes, it's ok), but when that happen AFTER accepting to play a clanner, even with host created, without saying nothing about the schemes that they want or "can" play, is totally bullshit.
We play EVERY SCHEME that you want or can pick. We'll never be afraid to play an Elite or TTRR, indepent of our online players of that moment. Of course, in every clan there are players that have more skills in roping than default, or default than roping, but that is related to the clan's own pick, not for the rival's pick.
I hate when this situation happens, specially with clans that have player with YEARS on worms. It's ok if a
JEDI says: "nooo please, no ttrr! please hysteria or wxw!", but with clans like CKC, DoH, or whoever player with a lot of experience, it's just pathetic.
Read this log of the CKC host. This is before the 1st game, which was the CKC's pick, Hysteria ( I will translate the parts on spanish that our mates are speaking to each other with "//", also I will cut parts like "xdd, or join/kicks"):
Quote[2010-02-13 18.52.55] Lukz`TaG is joining a game on DirectIP named "Direct IP", hosted by Direct IP
[2010-02-13 18.52.58] Successfully joined game. Players are: Dulek`ckc, Lukz`TaG
[2010-02-13 18.53.01] [Lukz`TaG] hey
[2010-02-13 18.53.12] Player joined: gamboasdas
[2010-02-13 18.53.13] Player joined: Chicken23CKC
[2010-02-13 18.53.59] [Lukz`TaG] xd
[2010-02-13 18.55.06] [Dulek`ckc] what is ur pick, tag?
[2010-02-13 18.55.15] <gamboasdas> elijie xD // pick
[2010-02-13 18.55.20] [Lukz`TaG] omg
[2010-02-13 18.55.23] [Lukz`TaG] xD
[2010-02-13 18.55.35] [Dulek`ckc] tell us ur pick
[2010-02-13 18.55.41] [gamboasdas] mole
[2010-02-13 18.55.53] [Dulek`ckc] haha, not funny
[2010-02-13 18.55.55] [Dulek`ckc] seriously
[2010-02-13 18.55.57] [Dulek`ckc] we won't start
[2010-02-13 18.55.59] [gamboasdas] wfw
[2010-02-13 18.56.03] [gamboasdas] xD!
[2010-02-13 18.56.05] [gamboasdas] nait
[2010-02-13 18.56.07] [gamboasdas] que elejimos? // what we'll pick?
[2010-02-13 18.56.37] [Lukz`TaG] shopper o ttrr xd
[2010-02-13 18.56.39] [Lukz`TaG] alguna de esas xD // one of those
[2010-02-13 18.56.40] [gamboasdas] ttrr
[2010-02-13 18.56.50] [Lukz`TaG] iran a llorar ahora? xd // Will they cry now? xd
[2010-02-13 18.56.53] Player joined: Slayer
[2010-02-13 18.56.57] [gamboasdas] yo cacho // I think so
[2010-02-13 18.56.59] [gamboasdas] xD!
[2010-02-13 18.57.01] Player parted or was kicked: Slayer
[2010-02-13 18.57.12] [gamboasdas] o iran a buscar a otro // or maybe they'll get another player
[2010-02-13 18.57.21] [Chicken23CKC] i wont ttrr :-/
[2010-02-13 18.57.23] [gamboasdas] pa ke reemplaze a chicken // for replacing chicken
[2010-02-13 18.57.24] [Lukz`TaG] pffff
[2010-02-13 18.57.28] [gamboasdas] no vei? xD! // I told you xD!
[2010-02-13 18.57.35] [Lukz`TaG] pero lleva meses sin poder po weon // but he got months without can play ffs
[2010-02-13 18.57.39] [gamboasdas] XDDD!!
[2010-02-13 18.57.40] [Lukz`TaG] con razon llegan a PO los qliaos // that's the reasson that they reach the PO
[2010-02-13 18.57.45] [Chicken23CKC] its unfair
[2010-02-13 18.57.48] [Lukz`TaG] si todos los games son picks de ellos // every game is a pick of them
[2010-02-13 18.57.49] Player parted or was kicked: ``OnL``Jaggu`wIB
[2010-02-13 18.57.52] [gamboasdas] lol , but its our pick dude :S
[2010-02-13 18.57.56] [Chicken23CKC] i know
[2010-02-13 18.57.58] [Chicken23CKC] but its selfish
[2010-02-13 18.58.02] [gamboasdas] what do you want? play a pick chose by you?
[2010-02-13 18.58.02] [gamboasdas] D:
[2010-02-13 18.58.06] [gamboasdas] that is unfair
[2010-02-13 18.58.16] [Chicken23CKC] i know its not cool
[2010-02-13 18.58.27] [gamboasdas] u can go for another one if you want :S
[2010-02-13 18.58.35] [Chicken23CKC] but its not cool losing our ttrr rating that players like lordhound, dulek and dubc have built up
[2010-02-13 18.58.46] [Chicken23CKC] who own ttrr
[2010-02-13 18.58.47] [gamboasdas] i dont play histeria either , but i have to play it , cos its your pick :/
[2010-02-13 18.58.52] [Chicken23CKC] well
[2010-02-13 18.59.00] [Chicken23CKC] rope + t17?
[2010-02-13 18.59.07] [gamboasdas] neither losen histeria cos u are better than me and lukz
[2010-02-13 18.59.07] [Lukz`TaG] ttrr + t17
[2010-02-13 18.59.08] [Lukz`TaG] xd
[2010-02-13 18.59.16] [Chicken23CKC] shop + t17?
[2010-02-13 18.59.21] [Lukz`TaG] ttrr + t17
[2010-02-13 18.59.22] [gamboasdas] lose* lol
[2010-02-13 18.59.25] [Chicken23CKC] or
[2010-02-13 18.59.27] [Chicken23CKC] u pick both
[2010-02-13 18.59.30] [Chicken23CKC] but not ttrr
[2010-02-13 18.59.32] [Chicken23CKC] :p
[2010-02-13 18.59.38] [Lukz`TaG] ttrr + shopper
[2010-02-13 18.59.39] [Lukz`TaG] xd
[2010-02-13 18.59.41] [gamboasdas] nait
[2010-02-13 18.59.44] [gamboasdas] con ttrr cuantos puntos ganamos? //nait, how many points we'll win with ttrr
[2010-02-13 18.59.46] [gamboasdas] muchos? // alot?
[2010-02-13 18.59.52] [Lukz`TaG] si // yess
[2010-02-13 18.59.57] [Lukz`TaG] xd
[2010-02-13 19.00.00] [gamboasdas] :/ we need points
[2010-02-13 19.00.11] *gamboasdas* 54 xD
[2010-02-13 19.00.13] [gamboasdas] and wont play shoppa Dx
[2010-02-13 19.00.20] [gamboasdas] ttrr give us 54
[2010-02-13 19.00.25] [gamboasdas] go msn and get another one dude :S
[2010-02-13 19.00.39] [Chicken23CKC] we look for someone
[2010-02-13 19.00.50] [gamboasdas] ok
[2010-02-13 19.00.54] [gamboasdas] lets play histeria then
[2010-02-13 19.01.00] [gamboasdas] and after our ttrr
[2010-02-13 19.02.09] [gamboasdas] what are we waiting for?
[2010-02-13 19.02.12] [gamboasdas] oe nait pide claner en ag //hey lukze (a.k.a. nait, lukz, etc), ask for clanner on ag...
[2010-02-13 19.02.28] [gamboasdas] si no kieren jugar nuestro pick , pco pa ellos , no jugaré lo ke ellos kieran // if they don't want to play our pick, shit for them, I will not play just what they want
[2010-02-13 19.03.00] [Lukz`TaG] xd
[2010-02-13 19.03.54] [gamboasdas] hmmm
[2010-02-13 19.04.02] [gamboasdas] hmmm I HATE THIS !
[2010-02-13 19.04.08] [gamboasdas] how about play elite and wxw -.-
[2010-02-13 19.04.13] [Dulek`ckc] we simply won't play ttrr or wxw
[2010-02-13 19.04.14] [gamboasdas] nait culiao
[2010-02-13 19.04.18] [gamboasdas] a dude
[2010-02-13 19.04.19] [gamboasdas] you suck
[2010-02-13 19.04.21] [gamboasdas] cya
[2010-02-13 19.04.23] [Dulek`ckc] bye
[2010-02-13 19.04.25] Player parted or was kicked: gamboasdas
This is an example of what are TaG dealing it in months, nothing but bullshit at time of picking the schemes. Why I'm writing this complaint, because we aer tired of this lame attitude. We are much lower on standing than CKC and other clans, we go for every scheme, any player, we don't care about it, and we are not afraid to play your scheme. Our players are all-rounders in leagues. I have a wrist injury, all of us have f@#!ing cheaps KB but we don't care. Guaton has a very large cock (on his ass) but isn't a problem for him. gamboa, mry and others are rusty as f@#! on ttrr, but they play without crying. Sometimes our family is annoying, the cellphone, whatever,...
we always play without bitching about the scheme!
. bah
Quote from: beer on February 13, 2010, 08:11 PM
. bah
xDDDD scared of get an "smite"? XDDD!
i read what you wrote before , and you are right lol
Quote from: Twyrfher on February 13, 2010, 07:59 PM
Guaton has a very large cock (on his ass) but isn't a problem for him.
actually it is :'(
no i didnt even flamed or so. just posted my opinan.
but its bettr be neutral, there is lots of ppl that alwys interpreting me wrong.
just nvm
Theres many factors why i wont take part in ttrr or wxw clanners at the moment.
Firstly i do not have a keyboard and my roping is shit in canada compared to when i play in england. I would play if i was home, well i would play wxw atleast.
If it is singles league i will play any scheme, i don't refuse picks in singles because it is my fault and my responsiblity.
However with clanning it is different. Its a team effort to build a good rating. CKC prefers to look for clanners in teams of 3 players at a time so we can cover all schemes. With our current high overall rating 1-1's causes us to lose alot of points. Look at our stats this season. We've won more than we've lost and still not gained any seasonal points.
When i have clan mates like dulek, lordhound, sogeking and ryan who are amazing rr'ers its selfish of me to take part and lose 56 of the points they have built up.
Id feel the same way if our worst defaulters went and lost loads of t17s and elites if it was our highest scheme and cost us over 100 points. When eliters in the clan have made it a strong scheme for us, its irresponsible for them to ruin the efforts of others.
I also have to deal with this, but the other way. People refuse to play my pick of bng at times.
I can understand how you would be pissed off if the first game was played and we then refused to play the second pick. You could report that win against us. But before a prematch agreement you can force me to play ttrr and lose alot of points which other members of the clan have gained. I have more respect for my clan mates and throwing away points would upset them.
Twyrfher is right! If someone says it before game it's ok, u can agree or not, but then u just report free win if avoiders don't want to play. That's all.
Well, even before game avoiding is lame, I play every scheme (ofc if it's classic scheme), even f@#!ed shopper if opponent wishes.
lmfoa, shouldnt even ask for clanner if wont play opponents pick. if everyone would avoid schemes which they cant or hates, league would dead mayb
oh, cmon... stop doubleposting
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/off-topic/humour/
Also. Whats more lame, picking someones weakest scheme or avoiding playing your weakest scheme?
pp could of elited but they went for what would be easiest win because i was there. I doubt they would of picked ttrr if ryan and lordhound were asking for clanners?
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 10:41 PM
Also. Whats more lame, picking someones weakest scheme or avoiding playing your weakest scheme?
pp could of elited but they went for what would be easiest win because i was there. I doubt they would of picked ttrr if ryan and lordhound were asking for clanners?
We never refused to play opponent's pick. If you are not ready to play at least one scheme - tell it before asking a clanner and pissing into your pants.
i wont ttrr or wxw clanners without a keyboard, its frustrating enough playing below par all the time, let alone to bring down my clans rating.
On the matter of pissing your pants, you've done the same when we asked pp for clanner playoffs, "not today im on laptop" as you go play elite cup.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 10:50 PM
i wont ttrr or wxw clanners without a keyboard, its frustrating enough playing below par all the time, let alone to bring down my clans rating.
On the matter of pissing your pants, you've done the same when we asked pp for clanner playoffs, "not today im on laptop" as you go play elite cup.
1. how are your PO finals, chick? played 11 jan? uh oh! a lot of time passed...
2. i could excuse like that since i did it BEFORE game.
so what's the problem? when has me or my clan ever tried to be lame like you? don't think so.
it's clear to everyone that your attitude is lame. Even if it is so simple to be fair and warn your opponents before game, you continue on this.
Whats more lame, picking someones weakest scheme or avoiding playing your weakest scheme?
ofc avoiding
omg, sure they choose scheme which they can win easier and get more points, it's THEIR pick, don't u get it? You are CKC, u should play everything.
xDDD
chicken xD u are actinn like a victim , it wasnt chosen cos its ur weakest scheme , it was cos that scheme gave more points ,nothing more , strongest or weakest are irrelevants
if you arent gonna play oponent's scheme , dont ask for clanner lol
i didnt ask for clanner, on both cases tag and pp were asking. And we said yes but i wont play ttrr :p
I think I kinda have an objective point of view at this case and I have to admit that I can understand both of you. Of course TaG would like to gain a good amount of points with some probably easy win and of course Chicken doesnt want to lose the points that his teammates gained.
I think its maybe better if CKC in this case would clearly say that they dont play wxw or TTRR and they can go on calnnering with TaG if they agree on it. Like this a lot of problems are solved before the even start existing...
Imo any player or clan shouldnt look for a tus match or agree on a tgus match if he/they are not able to play all the classic schemes.
well , dont say "yes " then
even if you know TaG usually play rope scheme
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 11:24 PM
i didnt ask for clanner, on both cases tag and pp were asking. And we said yes but i wont play ttrr :p
you said "yes" both times. JOINED host / HOSTED. waited for opponent's pick and only then "but i wont play ttrr :p"
omg so its so dumb to explain clear things......
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 09:05 PM
Theres many factors why i wont take part in ttrr or wxw clanners at the moment.
Firstly i do not have a keyboard and my roping is shit in canada compared to when i play in england. I would play if i was home, well i would play wxw atleast.
So you can play roper but not ttrr or wxw?
Lordhound plays on a laptop doesnt he?
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 09:05 PM
If it is singles league i will play any scheme, i don't refuse picks in singles because it is my fault and my responsiblity.
The reason you dont refuse to play ttrr in singles is because you know you cant get away with that!
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 09:05 PM
However with clanning it is different. Its a team effort to build a good rating.
Surely the overall scheme rating of a clan should reflect the skill of the WHOLE clan, not the skill of certain members of a clan.
It may be a team effort however this doesnt justify refusing to play a scheme because you think you will loose it. Where is the sportsmanship here? What sort of attitude is that? People fall in rr, bOr have played loads of games vs tag and won because they fell every turn (xDXDDxDDD).
You always have a chance of winning, this attitude is lame Chicken, you wouldnt let bOr refuse to play an elite with you, so what gives you the pirviledge to refuse to play another clans pick?
Its simple, if your going to refuse to play ttrr or wxw, tell them before the tus.
I can accept you making this mistake once, but you do it all the time!
Quote from: NAiL on February 13, 2010, 11:33 PM
bOr have played loads of games vs tag and won because they fell every turn (xDXDDxDDD).
lmfao , thats why lukz sucks as hell xD!
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 13, 2010, 10:41 PM
Also. Whats more lame, picking someones weakest scheme or avoiding playing your weakest scheme?
pp could of elited but they went for what would be easiest win because i was there. I doubt they would of picked ttrr if ryan and lordhound were asking for clanners?
For big points points I think they would, + when did ryan last play a significant number of games for CKC?
If older players of a clan are inactive for long enough, why should their rating in a certain scheme stay as high as it has done?
The overal ratings reflect the performance of the WHOLE clan, over a long period of time. If more CKC members became active there would be less chance of you refusing to play ttrr or wxw.
The thing is, if the majority of your clan are good rr'ers, yet only 2 are active, then you should either not play clanners at all or recruit some more members.
Everyone is proud of their clan, everyone wants to win their games, nobody wants to loose points, but your the ONLY player who
consistantly refuses to play other clans picks.
the only player? yourself and beer consistently refuse to bng me. Crash refuses to bng me. Thedogg would not play me in defaults, he still does not shop or bng me. If you want to make this a thread of everyones mistakes and flaws on wormnet then so be it. Two wrongs don't make a right, so its no excuse. But don't make out im the only player who has done this in the past because im not.
I also remember you not playing me NAiL untill my overall points improved when i first started tus'ing because you knew you would lose alot of points for 1-1's.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:15 AM
the only player? yourself and beer consistently refuse to bng me. Crash refuses to bng me. Thedogg would not play me in defaults, he still does not shop or bng me. If you want to make this a thread of everyones mistakes and flaws on wormnet then so be it. Two wrongs don't make a right, so its no excuse. But don't make out im the only player who has done this in the past because im not.
I also remember you not playing me NAiL untill my overall points improved when i first started tus'ing because you knew you would lose alot of points for 1-1's.
yo, so im in now.
i've never refused bng, i've asked u yea! like ' can u pick somehting but not bng?'and isnt it becouse im gonna lose mutch point, but becouse i hate bng, cant call it a game cose i dnt enjoy.
its realy diferent! I remeber that sometimes i say to u, 'if u pick bng ill not play and u report.' lol not like u refusing to play a scheme cose u know that u gonna lose, its like noobash, or avoiding in singles, its the same as u refuse play some one cose u know that u gonna lose.
i still dnt get the point, im not a good roper, and i play rope games even if its against ur nice CKC ropers. why not? it shame more CKC if u refuse a game that u play a rr and u lose.
nothing against u chicken, and u know that we are ok, but i realy think that looks bad and its lame from a player like u
I agree beer. It feels lame doing it aswell. But what feels worse is disappointing my clan mates and losing points they have earnt. I have more respect for them and care how they feel, then what the community and everyone else thinks of me.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:31 AM
I agree beer. It feels lame doing it aswell. But what feels worse is disappointing my clan mates and losing points they have earnt. I have more respect for them and care how they feel, then what the community and everyone else thinks of me.
whats ur clan?
it cound not happen in bOr lol, noone will be desapoint if some one lose a game cose its not skilld, or its a bad day for him.
whats the point?
u should be friendly and they should be with u, otherwise i cant call it a clan, its my view of worms clans
edit, noone pay to u play, also u dnt pay for ur clanmates, i guess. so if they are in (CKC) its becouse they must like u and ur clan. its NOT like football, where money is envolded and just the best players play...evryone should play, and evryone will lose, if u make them desapointed when u lose a rr, so i sugest u to kick who do that or u may quit ur clan.. lol, im joking but its like that
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:15 AM
the only player? yourself and beer consistently refuse to bng me.
I dont consistantly refuse to bng you, look at our last tus it was a bng.
I may consistantly ask you to pick another scheme 2 or 3 times, but I'll never REFUSE to play your pick. There is a big difference between asking someone to change their pick and REFUSING to play it completely.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:15 AM
I also remember you not playing me NAiL untill my overall points improved when i first started tus'ing because you knew you would lose alot of points for 1-1's.
I remember saying that (once), but you know we play many games each season and so this is no longer applicable.
Theres a big difference between not playing someone until they have a higher rating, and asking for a clanner yet refusing to play the other clans pick. Its also against the rules.
Dont take it personally, I enjoy our games and chats, but I'll say whats true even if its negative.
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:31 AM
I agree beer. It feels lame doing it aswell. But what feels worse is disappointing my clan mates and losing points they have earnt. I have more respect for them and care how they feel, then what the community and everyone else thinks of me.
We're still waiting for at least one other CKC member to post here and say: "hell, we don't wanna chick playing rr's, he sucks and ruins our rating". Until then, this only looks like an excuse from you, chick, sorry.
I see that you're quite active here, Nail. Could you answer to my 2 PMs about POs? This thread is about avoiding/refusing so it definitely fits. Don't be another Dibz. Thanks.
Quote from: Rok on February 14, 2010, 07:39 AM
We're still waiting for at least one other CKC member to post here and say: "hell, we don't wanna chick playing rr's, he sucks and ruins our rating". Until then, this only looks like an excuse from you, chick, sorry.
I sipmly agree with Chicken, is there any sense to post 'yeah' after every Chicken's post? You really think that Chicken is posting here only on his own? Bleh.
Refusing and asking about changing someones pick is pretty the same for me. Refusing means that the pick never will be played and asking is only a nicer form of refusing, because there are 2 options - pick will be changed or you will get mad that player didn't changed it and refuse to play it as well.
Quote from: Dulek on February 14, 2010, 09:53 AM
I sipmly agree with Chicken, is there any sense to post 'yeah' after every Chicken's post? You really think that Chicken is posting here only on his own? Bleh.
Refusing and asking about changing someones pick is pretty the same for me. Refusing means that the pick never will be played and asking is only a nicer form of refusing, because there are 2 options - pick will be changed or you will get mad that player didn't changed it and refuse to play it as well.
Thx for posting. Naturaly you agree with chick. But as majority of the clans do, so should CKC,
live with it and play whatever your opponents pick. Me/my clan never had problems with CKC, but if there will be more complaints like that, you guys should think about whether is it worth insisting on your point. It isn't likely that CKC is right and all others are wrong.
Why is there even an arguement about this ? The only scheme that we should refuse to play is shoppa. Even if i play classic leauge i dont mind if my opponent wants to play some free leauge or 1 round normal.
Simply make your'e self strong in every scheme Then you will be ready to face the avoiders !!!
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 12:15 AM
the only player? yourself and beer consistently refuse to bng me. Crash refuses to bng me. Thedogg would not play me in defaults, he still does not shop or bng me. If you want to make this a thread of everyones mistakes and flaws on wormnet then so be it. Two wrongs don't make a right, so its no excuse. But don't make out im the only player who has done this in the past because im not.
I also remember you not playing me NAiL untill my overall points improved when i first started tus'ing because you knew you would lose alot of points for 1-1's.
Wtf?
I'd play you in defaults.. i already did..
Just ok, i dont want to shopper, but not because it's you ! just because that scheme is lame lol.
well singles i can play all
twyrthers citats
"Our players are all-rounders in leagues"
It's ok if a JEDI says: "nooo please, no ttrr! please hysteria or wxw!", but with clans like CKC, DoH, or whoever player with a lot of experience, it's just pathetic.
man how many clannas we played vs u tag? u r cool clan and we always like to clanner you xd but when it's only me and killger, why shud i play roper and lose 60points if the max points we get for the our win is like 40? it's kinda not good. as u said. im allrounder zippo is allrounder we clan everything. and hakfinn isn't much online too
I think it's really lame to avoid opponent's picks. Be it the scheme which gains them the most points or their strongest / your weakest scheme, I think you have to play it because they play your pick too.
Look at me, I suck at RR and I've lost a lot of clanners for sCa and CF because none of our RRers were on. So f@#!ing what, we still manage to qualify for playoffs and have a nice overall rating. xD
Quote from: darKz on February 14, 2010, 02:09 PM
I think it's really lame to avoid opponent's picks. Be it the scheme which gains them the most points or their strongest / your weakest scheme, I think you have to play it because they play your pick too.
Look at me, I suck at RR and I've lost a lot of clanners for sCa and CF because none of our RRers were on. So f@#!ing what, we still manage to qualify for playoffs and have a nice overall rating. xD
lol yea.
and btw, if someone avoid the the scheme that u should pick, why we need analize? so that tool just make sence for avoiders. thats the point, or opont will alwys pick the game that he can win more points, or his/theire best scheme to play u. avoiding is just going agains this, ;o.
sure there are player that do not surprise me if they do that. lol
dulek, now a ckc posted here, i just dlike say that ckc could be diferent clan, a clan with so many years, thinking like that its a ''little retard'', still its not football as i said, or any other thing when money is envolve. Im glad to be in bor, for real, jez
Quote from: Crash on February 14, 2010, 02:00 PM
man how many clannas we played vs u tag? u r cool clan and we always like to clanner you xd but when it's only me and killger, why shud i play roper and lose 60points if the max points we get for the our win is like 40? it's kinda not good. as u said. im allrounder zippo is allrounder we clan everything. and hakfinn isn't much online too
u should play it cuz its opponents pick, thats all. this bullshit avoiding happened today too. its same as i wouldnt play rope schemes against u and zippo. better to kick ppl with who u cant clanner everything lol. this is hilarious that old players do this shit
Quote from: Dulek on February 14, 2010, 09:53 AM
I see that you're quite active here, Nail. Could you answer to my 2 PMs about POs? This thread is about avoiding/refusing so it definitely fits. Don't be another Dibz. Thanks.
This thread isnt about "avoiding/refusing", this thread is about YOUR clan REFUSING to play other clans picks. Lets make that clear...
PO's always have problems getting done, this has nothing to do with avoiding or refusing to play someones pick so dont even bother trying to compare it, it just makes you guys look more lame by saying things like that.
Quote from: Dulek on February 14, 2010, 09:53 AM
Refusing and asking about changing someones pick is pretty the same for me. Refusing means that the pick never will be played and asking is only a nicer form of refusing,
Your not stupid Dulek, any rationally minded person can see that there is a difference between REFUSING and asking someone to change their pick.
This is
very basic common sense, ill explain it for you though.
If you ask somone to change their pick, but they dont, and you play their pick, thats NOT refusing.
If you ask someone to change their pick but they dont, and you refuse to play, then that isnt just asking someone to change their pick, thats REFUSING.
About our POs, I'm having alot of trouble with my comp atm, hopefully it will be working later this week so Ill set a deadline. Im 100% free this friday from 14:00GMT. If I dont make it you can have the win, ok?
Quote from: NAiL on February 14, 2010, 02:54 PM
PO's always have problems getting done, this has nothing to do with avoiding or refusing to play someones pick so dont even bother trying to compare it, it just makes you guys just look more lame by saying things like that.
Nail, that's sad. I had to post about POs by using this thread to force you to respond.
To make it clear - if we had any real chances to win at least 1 point, we would play these games. But even if we would win our pick, we still lose about 20 points overall. It's pointless to waste our time only to feed TaG.
Quote from: Dulek on February 14, 2010, 04:45 PM
Quote from: NAiL on February 14, 2010, 02:54 PM
PO's always have problems getting done, this has nothing to do with avoiding or refusing to play someones pick so dont even bother trying to compare it, it just makes you guys just look more lame by saying things like that.
Nail, that's sad. I had to post about POs by using this thread to force you to respond.
To make it clear - if we had any real chances to win at least 1 point, we would play these games. But even if we would win our pick, we still lose about 20 points overall. It's pointless to waste our time only to feed TaG.
IMO with this "I won't play scheme xy" attitude you're just trying to find victims for easy wins because they can't pick your weak scheme. And that's no different from cheating. :)
Quote from: Dulek on February 14, 2010, 04:45 PM
Nail, that's sad. I had to post about POs by using this thread to force you to respond.
Again this is irrelevant, you wouldnt have posted in here about the POs if I hadnt posted crtiticising your refusal to play schemes, your just bullet dodging.
You PMd me on the 10th, Ive responded 4 days later. I just set a date and deadline and you havent let me know if you can make it or not.
Surely I dont need to tell you again that this thread is not about bad PO game organisation, its about your clan refusing to play other clans picks.
The two topics are
not related.
Your just waffling because you know its
clear to everyone what you are doing is lame.
Quote from: NAiL on February 14, 2010, 05:22 PM
Again this is irrelevant, you wouldnt have posted in here about the POs if I hadnt posted crtiticising your refusal to play schemes, your just bullet dodging.
I wouldn't. But also this way I got a clear sittuation about POs now. That was my point.
Quote from: NAiL on February 14, 2010, 05:22 PMYou PMd me on the 10th, Ive responded 4 days later. I just set a date and deadline and you havent let me know if you can make it or not.
Never happened. :P Did you send me a PM by TUS? I don't have any in my inbox. Anyway, I also sent a message on 3rd Feb.
Quote from: NAiL on February 14, 2010, 05:22 PMSurely I dont need to tell you again that this thread is not about bad PO game organisation, its about your clan refusing to play other clans picks.
The two topics are not related.
Oh come on. Did I tell you that I found it the only way to catch you? Maybe not exactly, but yes, that's what I meant. I've only responded because Rok wanted us to do so. Even if I added some bonus words about POs with you, that's not the main reason for my first post, believe me. The date is Friday. Let it go now.
Its funny how you still go on about our playoff situation in order to not address the issue of your clan refusing to play other clans picks.
The facts speak for themselves anyway, ive said all I need to here.
I have refused to ttrr twice. First against pp, second against TaG. All the other times we have asked for default only clanners or "no ttrr wxw" plz and i would happly rope or shop. I have also played plenty of ttrr's for ckc and won some. Sure theres some replays somewhere.
not wanting to ttrr has only happened when its just been me and dulek or me and dubc. Twice it has caused a problem out of probably 20 other times. Normaly cfc don't mind picking a default as they can get alot of points for a win, or RoH enjoys picking t17 or bng. Even doh picks roper and i play against crash and zippo who are strong in this scheme.
In the situation against tag if we went 1-1 we would still of lost 20 points even tho we wanted to pick hysteria which would of given us 40. We want to maintain getting points when we play. Yea its lame, and in the past i have played plenty of ttrr clanners, and i have won some because of having a strong mate get a nice time that gives me an extra few seconds over my rivals or they do fall. But back then the points were different and we could still gain from it.
People make refferences to how old ckc is and all that.. how people in your clan should not care if you lose for them etc. CKC is 10 years old. It has gone through many stages, it was once a bng only clan, we would not ask for rope clanners. But back then clanning was different and we werent a serious clan. More a group of bngers and defaulters.
We have gone through era's of being a serious competitive clan, to being not serious and wanting to just fun. For example, after coming back from periods of being inactive, it was fun to just clan even if we would lose because the members had not clanned for ages. Like when i came back after not playing last winter.
The hardest thing about being a clan leader is balancing the two principles of being a clan that is competitive, or a clan that is not serious. There are different clans out there, tdc is not very competitive, although i think that will change soon. CF is highly competitive. Today the leagues are highly competitive. Players get booted from clans if they lose too many clanners, people don't get recuited into the top clans because they are not skilled enough. Clans which win the leagues on a consistent basis care about winning and don't enjoy losing games. Players leave clans if that clan loses too often. CKC used to be a stepping stone clan for top players, people like dibz were in CKC for a long time but we had other members losing us clanners and dibz moved onto dt as they were better than us at the time. Same with nino.
Clanning is about having fun for sure, but i have friends on wormnet who i have considered about having them in CKC, but then thought their league style is not good enough.
"You and your friends don't have to all wear the same t-shirt" skippa made this point when smole wanted some of his mates to join ckc who the majority of the clan did not think were good enough league style and we voted against them joining.
Basically my point is the majority of players today get annoyed when they lose a clanner, some of them cry loads. The clan league is highly competitive and you can't deny the way players join and leave clans is influenced by the skill of those players being recuited or booted. I find it funny that TaG came here trying to smite me when about a month ago Twy booted some of his members like guaton for going on a losing streak. Maybe i should boot myself out of CKC cus i suck in ttrr? Don't act like your shit doesn't stink TaG and try to make me out to be lame.
But yeah, it sucks to avoid and refuse peoples picks. I do agree with NAiL's points which i would quote but this post is getting too long. The overall rating of a clan should represent the players which are active now. That is fair, and CKC is not as active as it was, before wooka, devilage, sogeking, juice and lordhound were all active. Now it is mainly me, dulek, dubc. Our overall rating should reflect those which are currently playing for the clan. Thats fair enough. Theres nothing personal with your comments either NAiL. You bring good arguments and same with beer.. I can take critisism. Its fair enough to be annoyed. Id be pissed if people refused to elite me when i could win 50 points or whatever in it.
Yea, I realy understant u, but (...*)!
And I'm glad that u had understant me well, and take that as regular comment and nothng personal, cose it wasnt!
But still chicken, CKC proved that is a greet clan, and even if u have a bad season noone will say that is bad clan, its still is! same as a lost in rr with u in.
(...*)my point is, since u and ur clan proved evrything and evryone should respect that, why u keep refusing a rr enve if u gonna lose? who cares? evryone knows that CKC is good, and u also are but not in rr, not even in ur laptop.
I remember when CKC was just u and skippa, it was in XTC and u alwys played with him, evry scheme. so think now, if evryone gona be inactive and just left u and dulek or someone good with ropes, will CKC refuse alwys RR?
Its the same as bOr when it get inactive (little periods) and when im back with someone i rick lose our nice rank in roper or so, but i have to, dont u think?
to complete, in my eyes is worst refuse a game like that then play and lose with honor (:
Quote from: Chicken23 on February 14, 2010, 07:22 PM
I find it funny that TaG came here trying to smite me when about a month ago Twy booted some of his members like guaton for going on a losing streak. Maybe i should boot myself out of CKC cus i suck in ttrr? Don't act like your shit doesn't stink TaG and try to make me out to be lame.
lol xDDD! yyeah , TaG sucks , SOSOSOSO hard
xDDDD!!!
hummm
actually that was a joke for Day of the innocents (28-12) , it was more a joke for ligaworms members than for another one
but we had to make it credible , so if someone ask somethink about " leave TaG" we had to say that
i was not the only one who left the clan that day xDD
but anyways , it was a joke ( happy innocents day XDDDD!!!! its too late :( )
o yes , but now its serously , i left TaG XD cos i cant agree with some members HEH
they hate me now xD!
but we <3 u guaton, u are not alone in this 'world' :-*
can you rr? we need an rr'er :p
see culiao? u are not alone, u just got the fist invite!
bor may invite u too XD
XDD i feel like "WEE" xD!
zlloro culiaos everyone!
edit: i think this should be closed , everyone said what they had to say
Quote from: guaton on February 14, 2010, 07:45 PM
i was not the only one who left the clan that day xDD
but anyways , it was a joke ( happy innocents day XDDDD!!!! its too late :( )
In fact we all quitted that time, even me xD
Quote
they hate me now xD!
we don't hate you ö just the emo squad xD
no, i havent had my answer from Chicken !
Chicken, let's elite when you want ! haha :P (but if you pick elite, i'll prolly pick ttrr then xD)
guess i need to get active again so we dont have to worry about it!
i dont really see the big deal about this, people refuse clanners and tus for alot of reasons... people should just agree before playing anything
im ckc but i feel like this doesnt have anything to do with me personally, ill play any scheme with any1, but i wont force a m8 to play something they dont want either
Quote from: WookA on February 15, 2010, 06:20 PM
guess i need to get active again so we dont have to worry about it!
Yet you are not embarrassed! When are you planning to get active again? :o
Wow. Thats all I have to say about this thread.
xDD!
Quote from: guaton on February 17, 2010, 06:18 AM
xDD!
How many "xD" did Guaton post in the forums ? XDDDDDDDD
Yea, I want to make a 'guaton-bot', it searches the topics in TUS and post 'xDDD' in the ones which dont' contain it xD
Dont forgot "!" xD!
well , i can write "))))" too xD!!
)))))
you can find a post without "xD" on this topic xdddd!!
I hope that the purpose of this complaint, has been reached. That is, that in future we can all arrange our games in fair-play manner, by mutual agreement and without pissing each other off.
*locked*