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Title: [SOLVED] Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Kaleu on August 13, 2023, 07:51 PM
Wrong league, both games were TTL.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 13, 2023, 08:00 PM
Wrong league, both games were TTL.

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Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Kaleu on August 13, 2023, 08:28 PM
Yeah but it is TTL, he told me in private and I said it's the same scheme. We see no point in playing T17 only as classic league, I think it was a language barrier.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Senator on August 13, 2023, 11:16 PM
Yeah but it is TTL, he told me in private and I said it's the same scheme. We see no point in playing T17 only as classic league, I think it was a language barrier.

Who told you in private? Camper? The agreement between the clans seems to be TUS Allround.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: TheWalrus on August 14, 2023, 02:33 AM
No comment on this situation, but the better question is why is clanner TTL even a thing with no chance for playoffs?  It should be allround singles only, no?  Isn't even really enough activity to have playoffs most of the time in allround league.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lupastic on August 14, 2023, 03:01 AM
No comment on this situation, but the better question is why is clanner TTL even a thing with no chance for playoffs?  It should be allround singles only, no?  Isn't even really enough activity to have playoffs most of the time in allround league.

sometimes it's nice to organise 2v2 for TFL or TTL, it just rarely happens. it should be allowed anytime imo. although its very often that nowadays out of 4 players at least 1 is not interested/or not skilled enough in a scheme which is not in allround
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Kaleu on August 14, 2023, 03:49 AM
Yeah but it is TTL, he told me in private and I said it's the same scheme. We see no point in playing T17 only as classic league, I think it was a language barrier.

Who told you in private? Camper? The agreement between the clans seems to be TUS Allround.

Yes Camper

No comment on this situation, but the better question is why is clanner TTL even a thing with no chance for playoffs?  It should be allround singles only, no?  Isn't even really enough activity to have playoffs most of the time in allround league.

I mean, we are already benefiting our opponent by let them choose the schemes, It is not our interest tô play our least liked scheme twice in classic, but its ok If its not compromising our allround point and % Win streak when reported in a meaningless league, we will do It for Fun. We probably going tô try tô reach PO. Sorry for mistakes, sent from my phone.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: TheWalrus on August 14, 2023, 05:58 AM
No comment on this situation, but the better question is why is clanner TTL even a thing with no chance for playoffs?  It should be allround singles only, no?  Isn't even really enough activity to have playoffs most of the time in allround league.

sometimes it's nice to organise 2v2 for TFL or TTL, it just rarely happens. it should be allowed anytime imo. although its very often that nowadays out of 4 players at least 1 is not interested/or not skilled enough in a scheme which is not in allround
totally agree, these should be played as 2v2 ttl games instead of 2v2 ttl clanners.  At least it means something then.  Kaleu basically said they wanted them to be played “in a meaningless league,” so why does it exist then?  I think everyone on the same page here, remove clanners for this league imo, have people do 2v2 classic clanner or regular allround.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 07:12 AM
Yeah but it is TTL, he told me in private and I said it's the same scheme. We see no point in playing T17 only as classic league, I think it was a language barrier.

we originally agreed on TTL, but Сamper said that he did not have a scheme for TTL, so we agreed on tus classic t17.

Based on the conversation from the screenshot of the logs, you can understand that we agreed to play tus classic t17

if Сamper found scheme for TTL, he could have said so in the game room, but he didn’t, so it’s logical to say that we played tus classic t17, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 07:15 AM
No comment on this situation, but the better question is why is clanner TTL even a thing with no chance for playoffs?  It should be allround singles only, no?  Isn't even really enough activity to have playoffs most of the time in allround league.

sometimes it's nice to organise 2v2 for TFL or TTL, it just rarely happens. it should be allowed anytime imo. although its very often that nowadays out of 4 players at least 1 is not interested/or not skilled enough in a scheme which is not in allround
totally agree, these should be played as 2v2 ttl games instead of 2v2 ttl clanners.  At least it means something then.  Kaleu basically said they wanted them to be played “in a meaningless league,” so why does it exist then?  I think everyone on the same page here, remove clanners for this league imo, have people do 2v2 classic clanner or regular allround.

in fact, there are not enough active clanner games for players to reach the playoffs within two months. it seems to me that for clans, seasons need to be done more in time

lupastiс offers me a clanner at a time when I don't have any of my clanmates online. and when we are ready to play - there is no one on the server to whom we could offer
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Senator on August 14, 2023, 08:28 AM
"go tus classic t17 clanner, fine too"

if that was the last sentence of that conversation, RB clan had every reason to believe you were playing for TUS Allround, right?

btw, TUS Allround scheme (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2412/) and TTL scheme (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3891/) are not the same. You were using the scheme for the Allround league (not that it matters).
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 09:18 AM
"go tus classic t17 clanner, fine too"

if that was the last sentence of that conversation, RB clan had every reason to believe you were playing for TUS Allround, right?

btw, TUS Allround scheme (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2412/) and TTL scheme (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-3891/) are not the same. You were using the scheme for the Allround league (not that it matters).

yes, I took a screenshot of the full dialogue from snooper logs

so yes, I guess we played classic tus league

about the scheme that Camper made for the game - I did not check which league it belongs to. I think it's also tus classic league.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Camper on August 14, 2023, 11:08 AM
This was all basically a misunderstanding.

In my head, that was the TTLeague, because he said "hmm lets go TTL, host up".
After that I asked if it was a problem if I created it with a different schema and hosted it.

But whatever. were good games
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 11:34 AM
This was all basically a misunderstanding.

In my head, that was the TTLeague, because he said "hmm lets go TTL, host up".
After that I asked if it was a problem if I created it with a different schema and hosted it.

But whatever. were good games

play TTL league with using t17 tus classic league scheme it is against the rules of the league

if we agreed to play TTL with a different scheme, the reports would be invalid

you should know this
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Camper on August 14, 2023, 11:47 AM
This was all basically a misunderstanding.

In my head, that was the TTLeague, because he said "hmm lets go TTL, host up".
After that I asked if it was a problem if I created it with a different schema and hosted it.

But whatever. were good games

play TTL league with using t17 tus classic league scheme it is against the rules of the league

if we agreed to play TTL with a different scheme, the reports would be invalid

you should know this


I can be wrong, but if both players agree, you can play the scheme you want.

Mods can correct me if so.

But w/e Lancelot, good games. Looking forward for next games. Kisses
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Kaleu on August 14, 2023, 12:14 PM
Alright Keep the reports then, pointess tô discuss It at this point. Mods arent considering the language barrier.
But seriusly rb clan, do you think you are special at this point tô pick twice our least liked scheme in classic? lol. Its well known for all that im a t17 hater, i repeat, we accepted becausse ttl is meaningless.
Next time its our pick vs ur pick, no deals

@Senator
Cave t17 is the same isnt It? I thougjt It was.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 12:25 PM
Alright Keep the reports then, pointess tô discuss It at this point. Mods arent considering the language barrier.
But seriusly rb clan, do you think you are special at this point tô pick twice our least liked scheme in classic? lol. Its well known for all that im a t17 hater, i repeat, we accepted becausse ttl is meaningless.
Next time its our pick vs ur pick, no deals

@Senator
Cave t17 is the same isnt It? I thougjt It was.

haha, I'll start with the fact that it was Camper who offered us to play a clanner, two t17 games, to which we agreed.

You should look at the first lines of your partner's message in the log screenshot I uploaded above.

I think you are starting to write nonsense

No offense, and on the facts

There were no deals here, there was an offer to play
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Senator on August 14, 2023, 12:32 PM
Yes there was probably a language barrier but why should the games then be treated as TTL? One side thought it was TUS Allround and the other TTL. Based on that chat I'd put the games in TUS Allround. If anything, the games should be voided cos no clear agreement.

TTL scheme is used for both island and cave. Likewise TUS Allround T17 scheme is used for both island and cave. Your both games were played with the Allround league scheme.
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 12:38 PM
In general, do what you want and what you want with these reports, at least delete these games. I see where it's going. We are offered to play, then they try to accuse us of something. And you want to activate the clanners on the party this way? I think it will be the other way around.

I reported the league we agreed to play.
Where am I wrong here? That you can't take 2 minutes to download scheme for TTL? Or that we agreed with you? Or ask to create a game because you don't have scheme for clanner?

Judging by your reaction, you do not want to lose points in the classic league.
In this case, you agree among yourselves what you want to play.
Then already offer games to another clan.

I wrote my opinion, let the moderator decide what to do.

That's all, I don't answer here anymore, I don't see the point
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 12:40 PM
Yes there was probably a language barrier but why should the games then be treated as TTL? One side thought it was TUS Allround and the other TTL. Based on that chat I'd put the games in TUS Allround. If anything, the games should be voided cos no clear agreement.

TTL scheme is used for both island and cave. Likewise TUS Allround T17 scheme is used for both island and cave. Your both games were played with the Allround league scheme.

I don't mind if the games are moved to another league.

But I will be against it if TTL clanners are canceled

Initially, our clan wanted to play a TTL league, this is indicated in the screenshot
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 12:48 PM
Wrong league, both games were TTL.

(https://i.ibb.co/z2Qs387/image.png)

Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Kaleu on August 14, 2023, 02:53 PM
Let's use your own logic here. You initally offered and insisted for TTL as you mentioned multiple times including the logs, now why it's a huge problem to give up to change to TTL league? You are lacking sportsmanship here, you won both games, you are not being injured with this change, but we obviously are, because we were not able to pick what we like, if it was classic we would never pick T17/ Let you pick for us. As I said before, it's our least liked scheme. I never get involved in TUS league complaints unless I am in my right.
I already told you it was a language/communication mistake, if it's not enough and you wanna lack sportsmanship it's your choice. Period.
I'm out.

edit: I dont want games to be void, its not fair, they won and the games keep
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Lancelot on August 14, 2023, 03:00 PM
Let's use your own logic here. You initally offered and insisted for TTL as you mentioned multiple times including the logs, now why it's a huge problem to give up to change to TTL league? You are lacking sportsmanship here, you won both games, you are not being injured with this change, but we obviously are, because we were not able to pick what we like, if it was classic we would never pick T17/ Let you pick for us. As I said before, it's our least liked scheme. I never get involved in TUS league complaints unless I am in my right.
I already told you it was a language/communication mistake, if it's not enough and you wanna lack sportsmanship it's your choice. Period.
I'm out.

edit: I dont want games to be void, its not fair, they won and the games keep

I don't mind, let it be TTL
Title: Re: Games 237817 and 237816
Post by: Senator on August 14, 2023, 04:16 PM
Okay I'll move them to TTL. Peace <3