[SOLVED] Roper tus mm

[zippeurfou]

To be honest I agree with you avirex . We are not computer but I prefer the way it is in a game like wow. If someone lagg out it's automatic win for the other team (except 2vs2 where he just stand and do nothing). I remember a game against a clan, we were playing elite and winning by A LOT. Then one of them did lagg out. They did ask for a rh with handicap... but common it is non sens to rh an elite with handicap. What about the weapon delay, what about the hide and the weapon already used...
I asked for some common sens and fair play but they did stick on there side. It ended by a cancel of the clanner and me having a bad view of this clan.
If someone lagg out this should be an automatic win for the other team and it should be the other team (the non lagging one) who should be able to decide to continue or not. All this rh thing is just more drama. Hell, we are in 2012 if you can't get your internet to work properly with a 1999 game it is not the opponent who should be blamed !
With a rule like that you would have far less complain and unsporting behavior. It might sound a little harsh but it would end a lot of 2 hours clanner for one game or some people feeling cheated by mod because they don't agree with their judgement.

[Guaton]

i think they are failing to mention that i gave guaton a + and everyone else regular health...

is a + to guaton not enough??


what do you extra cool guys think there should be in a situation that they lagged out??

++ vs -- ?

u didnt give me any + u liar


and what did u want , stay with 200 hp when u only had 50+ on the previous game ? bahaha, u are a joke man

[Statik]

ye he gave u "+" 5 seconds before u quitted, guaton; and honestly, I can't remember a roper with handicaps, even when the situation was the opposite and mm had a lead. I don't care actually, cuz KICKITTOO POWAAA.

[Guaton]

To be honest I agree with you avirex . We are not computer but I prefer the way it is in a game like wow. If someone lagg out it's automatic win for the other team (except 2vs2 where he just stand and do nothing). I remember a game against a clan, we were playing elite and winning by A LOT. Then one of them did lagg out. They did ask for a rh with handicap... but common it is non sens to rh an elite with handicap. What about the weapon delay, what about the hide and the weapon already used...
I asked for some common sens and fair play but they did stick on there side. It ended by a cancel of the clanner and me having a bad view of this clan.
If someone lagg out this should be an automatic win for the other team and it should be the other team (the non lagging one) who should be able to decide to continue or not. All this rh thing is just more drama. Hell, we are in 2012 if you can't get your internet to work properly with a 1999 game it is not the opponent who should be blamed !
With a rule like that you would have far less complain and unsporting behavior. It might sound a little harsh but it would end a lot of 2 hours clanner for one game or some people feeling cheated by mod because they don't agree with their judgement.

worms community appreciate how fair u are and ur sportmanship.

about "we are in 2012 if you can't get your internet to work properly with a 1999 game it is not the opponent who should be blamed !" is pure bs , i can do nothing if the internet goes out cos of a problem coming from the internet company , or if the light goes out , or if the router is not working well , well i can with changes , but that kind of problems are gonna keep going (less frequent maybe , who knows) doesnt matter what change i do.

im glad u have a perfect internet , enjoy it .

you are just supporting some1 who his only purpose is annoy or make drama , the only thing , as u can check in the log , we asked was handicap for them , not even a plus for us , just  2 minus for them (1 each one), logic thing , they were even going to have double of their last hp , and its roper , they could have got the advantage easily, but no , he prefered to get advantage of the situation.

we even let avirex play instead of free in the previous rr with free's last worm ffs , cos free was having problems ...  yeah i didnt want to , but just to avoid drama i did let avirex play ... (then he called me faggot and hosted the roper calling the host "faguaton" XD )

[Guaton]

he didnt , im pretty sure , statik , i can ask seba too , maybe im wrong ... but i dont remember any + next to my team


btw

i dont get this story:

I remember a game against a clan, we were playing elite and winning by A LOT. Then one of them did lagg out. They did ask for a rh with handicap... but common it is non sens to rh an elite with handicap. What about the weapon delay, what about the hide and the weapon already used...
I asked for some common sens and fair play but they did stick on there side. It ended by a cancel of the clanner and me having a bad view of this clan.

they asked for hadicap to ur team when u were winning by A LOT? seriously?

or u just didnt want to put handicap for them (even when they asked u to ) cos u love fair play ? they didnt agree then u canceled the elite cos u didnt want to get the advantage that u had in the previous game ...  and then u had a bad view of that clan .. what?

lol

[zippeurfou]

To be honest I agree with you avirex . We are not computer but I prefer the way it is in a game like wow. If someone lagg out it's automatic win for the other team (except 2vs2 where he just stand and do nothing). I remember a game against a clan, we were playing elite and winning by A LOT. Then one of them did lagg out. They did ask for a rh with handicap... but common it is non sens to rh an elite with handicap. What about the weapon delay, what about the hide and the weapon already used...
I asked for some common sens and fair play but they did stick on there side. It ended by a cancel of the clanner and me having a bad view of this clan.
If someone lagg out this should be an automatic win for the other team and it should be the other team (the non lagging one) who should be able to decide to continue or not. All this rh thing is just more drama. Hell, we are in 2012 if you can't get your internet to work properly with a 1999 game it is not the opponent who should be blamed !
With a rule like that you would have far less complain and unsporting behavior. It might sound a little harsh but it would end a lot of 2 hours clanner for one game or some people feeling cheated by mod because they don't agree with their judgement.

worms community appreciate how fair u are and ur sportmanship.

about "we are in 2012 if you can't get your internet to work properly with a 1999 game it is not the opponent who should be blamed !" is pure bs , i can do nothing if the internet goes out cos of a problem coming from the internet company , or if the light goes out , or if the router is not working well , well i can with changes , but that kind of problems are gonna keep going (less frequent maybe , who knows) doesnt matter what change i do.

im glad u have a perfect internet , enjoy it .

you are just supporting some1 who his only purpose is annoy or make drama , the only thing , as u can check in the log , we asked was handicap for them , not even a plus for us , just  2 minus for them (1 each one), logic thing , they were even going to have double of their last hp , and its roper , they could have got the advantage easily, but no , he prefered to get advantage of the situation.

we even let avirex play instead of free in the previous rr with free's last worm ffs , cos free was having problems ...  yeah i didnt want to , but just to avoid drama i did let avirex play ... (then he called me faggot and hosted the roper calling the host "faguaton" XD )

Guaton, I am not speaking about your complaint at all. To be honest I did not watch the game nor try to read both point of view. What I am saying is totally general speaking about what I think is a flow in the rules . All I can say, is by the number of replies you give, you seem pretty involved in it .

Watch out TaG and MM situation right now. Do you call it a fair and sportmanship way to handle things. To quote statik:

oh.. don't make me start to hate league games again  were my first after a while

In this community, when you let a little door open for negotiation, it never ends..

What did happens against this clan was like this:
We were winning by A LOT. They did lagg out. They asked to rh the elite with handicap for them. I did disagree because:
1. We were going to win (i'd say 90% of chance).
2. RH in elite with handicap is just meaningless (like in most scheme imo).
3. I didn't have much time and I felt like a waste of time.

If you think, I never had problem with WA or my internet, you are deeply wrong. Just the first example i can find out: my last single tus games I played, I did warn the opponent when I knew my computer could have problem. And I did tell them that they could report it in case of bug from me. I did find it fair and I had one case with Random (because of my stupid reflex) and I really would never have asked him to rh with handicap. If you watch the game, I dare you to find any kind of handicap/worms number recombination that would be fair for both side. It is my fault (not directly but indirectly and I have to own the responsibility of it.
All I mean is: It is not my fault if my opponent internet is not working and I shouldn't suffer from it. When rh with handicap is meaningless and mostly unfair for a team (like most of the case) I don't see any other alternative.
Judging by the number of complaint or people feeling cheated by mod. Tell my how this rule could be worse than the actual rule:
"If someone lagg out or quit it is up to the opponent to decide to keep playing (for clanner), to get the win or to rh".
One easy and simple rule and you are rid of all this complaint and non-understandable rules.

[Aerox]

The system you say Fada is used in big games like WoW because the user base is too big and there's too many games to do it otherwise without having to employ a bunch of extra staff for something you can handle otherwise.

However, in a community not close as big such as WA, we can actually apply a middle ground to make it fairer for everyone because we actually have the human resources to handle the complaint influx.

[zippeurfou]

The system you say Fada is used in big games like WoW because the user base is too big and there's too many games to do it otherwise without having to employ a bunch of extra staff for something you can handle otherwise.

However, in a community not close as big such as WA, we can actually apply a middle ground to make it fairer for everyone because we actually have the human resources to handle the complaint influx.

In theory, I agree but in reality I don't think it does work out. How many complaint we did have with lot of drama and people/clan ending by not wanting to rematch (or even play again together) because they felt it was cheap/unfair.
To come back to my example. I won't enjoy to play against this clan anymore (for a couple of time) and if the other way I had complained (which I don't like to do) and won the complain. It would have been the opposite.
The way I see it is that people would blame their ISP and not the opponent. Isn't it better in a global scale for this small community ?
Ropa, you have been around for a long time and don't you agree that it always has been a source of problem and it would save lot of drama ?

[avirex]

Guaton.. I dont remember you saying each of us take a - i may have done that (im not saying u did not suggest it i just dont remember)

I thot u would want both ur worms to have + as well...

Either way u guys lagged out.. We should not get penalized.. You know how hard ig is to win a fresh game with handicaps?

We had a better chance to win the regular game we were in because eventually.crates even out in most cases.. Starting new game in roper changed the whole dynamics and you want some ovrrwelming handicap for something that was your clans fault?

Sorry, i dont agree.

[Guaton]

Guaton.. I dont remember you saying each of us take a - i may have done that (im not saying u did not suggest it i just dont remember)

I thot u would want both ur worms to have + as well...

Either way u guys lagged out.. We should not get penalized.. You know how hard ig is to win a fresh game with handicaps?

We had a better chance to win the regular game we were in because eventually.crates even out in most cases.. Starting new game in roper changed the whole dynamics and you want some ovrrwelming handicap for something that was your clans fault?

Sorry, i dont agree.

oh seriously ... u are not even getting penalized , wtf are u talking about, u were gonna have more hp than ur previous game

u had better chance to w... whatever , as i said in the host lobby , im done with him

if he doesnt want to rm with handicap , im just gonna report .

[Aerox]

Ropa, you have been around for a long time and don't you agree that it always has been a source of problem and it would save lot of drama ?

I think like you. But you need to realize that WA is an old game so some people play it because quite frankly, they don't have very good computers or very good internet. Those people still exist in this game.

[avirex]

guaton, you can report and cause more problems....


or you can wait and see what the mods thing fair handicaps should be...


im not giving you what you want because you think you deserve it...

i dont think you deserve anything but a rematch, you lagged out.. not us...

lets see what mods think, and then we play it.

[Rok]

lets see what mods think, and then we play it.

Replay with appropriate handicaps.

What are you waiting for? Set the handicaps so they match HP at the time of drop as closely as possible, without giving TaG more advantage than they really had. You needed to be told to rematch fairly, fine, but you're supposed to be grown-ups and you can figure at least that part by yourselves.

[avirex]

maybe ur not smart enough to be a mod...


the problem here is what is the fair handicaps??

i thought guaton having a + and everyone else x was fair...

guaton thinks mm having - tag having x is fair...

now here where you come in, dee dee dee

[Rok]

Maybe you're not smart enough to comprehend:

Set the handicaps so they match HP at the time of drop as closely as possible, without giving TaG more advantage than they really had.

Recreate the health points as accurately as you can by clicking - and +, ok? That's fair.

Network drops happen. It's not your fault, but it wasn't neccesarily their fault either.