ok, so.. j0hnny did that zook glitch at 6:25where the zook sticks to the worm for some seconds, acting like a nade, which as far as i know is illegal??
this resulted in chelsea falling on a barrel... they tried to say it was no benefit to them, because it was easy to get those results with a regular zooka as well, i do not agree... i dont think it was impossible, but i think it would be a very difficult shot, with the worm that close to the wall, and the wind he had to send him to the barrel without the zooka glitch.
they also tried saying he didnt do it on purpose, lol... which is clearly not true as well..
Chelsea asked for a skip, but i was thinking it would be more fair if i gave them the option, to either skip one turn (and then they can attack barrle or whatever else they wanna do) or.. dont skip a turn, and just do not attack the worm that was at the barrel... i thought i was being fair, but i guess they thought otherwise...
they took no penalty, until a few turns later,at 12:30 johnny knocked me for fd, and then knocked me some more for a pile with chelsea, and then knocked us even more to put us at the barrel, and said that was his skip.
IMO a skip is, collecting cr8, and going back to the hide you were in... sometimes ppl hide, not sure if thats legal either... i think rules should be more specific regarding if your allowed to hide after cr8 grab, or you should go back to original location.
but as far as knocks, that should deff. not be considered a skip.. first off, it was an aggressive turn which gave damage to my worm. Second, it gave them a clear advantage for future turns. Third, its a commonly used tactic in wxw, skip going for the walls if you can set up your partner with a good pile, or a barrel just by knocks.... so for those reasons, it should deff not count as a skip..
anyway, the game resulted in a draw... me and chelsea each had 1 worm each, and was TLAD turn, they killed me, then sui'd on chelsea to kill him...
soooo.. sorry the post is so long, but now i wanna know... should it be our win??? they gave us extra damage due to an illegal move, so we would have had more health in the end, and his double kill would not be possible, and they refused to skip... which also would have given us more health.... if they had taken the penalty they deserved, the game would have been our win..
If you break any of the rules mentioned above (WBA, CBA, AFR) you must not attack your opponent durin g your next turn, but you're still allowed to get your crate.
I would consider any kind of knock to be an "attack" because you are still interfering with play, the whole point of the skip (in my mind) is to take your crate and not do anything else that affects the gameplay. Otherwise people could just cow on purpose when they know they would gain an advantage by knocking the following turn.
Either way I think the rules should be more clear ... some of the scheme pages have very short descriptions, would also save the mods some time I guess :)
Usually when such a meaningless cow occurs, people say "np no need to skip" so we were kind of pissed to hear u asking to skip
@senator: exactly what ANO said.. im not sure why you are so shocked we asked for a penalty... if you break a rule you skip a turn, even the fairest clan on w:a (tdc in my opinion) would ask that you skip a turn if you break a rule...
im not sure who your playing that says "ahh np, you broke a rule and there for put me on top of a barrel that you will blow up next turn, np tho.." i would like to play them though.
@senator: exactly what ANO said.. im not sure why you are so shocked we asked for a penalty... if you break a rule you skip a turn, even the fairest clan on w:a (tdc in my opinion) would ask that you skip a turn if you break a rule...
im not sure who your playing that says "ahh np, you broke a rule and there for put me on top of a barrel that you will blow up next turn, np tho.." i would like to play them though.
There is a difference between benefiting/not benefiting from a rule break. A common situation is when you try to shoot rope but shoot bazooka instead and damage both your own worm and the opponent. I haven't seen anyone asking to skip in that situation. Like I said, we didn't benefit from that "cow" because we had several ways to drop your worm down (placing a mine being even less time consuming than this bazooka glitch).
Got to agree with this, a skip should mean crate and return, nothing else, doing knocks, piles etc, is obviously doing something tactical.
The rules should be specific about this.
i just want to make one more point, and then im done with this thread until mods respond...
unless it is discussing about what the rule should be regarding skips...
senator, you said: "Like you said, rules are not specific about what you can do during skip turn. Rules say "If you break any of the rules mentioned above (WBA, CBA, AFR) you must not attack your opponent during your next turn, but you're still allowed to get your crate." If you follow this rule literally, u should be allowed to do anything but attack. I agree that you should be only allowed to take the crate and perhaps hide. But is it our fault if rules leave room for interpretation?"
lets assume you did want to follow the rule literally, and you want to be able to do anything other than attack, because its not your fault if rules leave room for interpretation, right??
even with that logic, j0hny did not "skip" until 2 turns later, if you guys want to find loop holes in the rules, thats cool.. but you cant pick and choose when to take the penalty in order to maximize the effect of the loophole ;p
i just want to make one more point, and then im done with this thread until mods respond...
unless it is discussing about what the rule should be regarding skips...
senator, you said: "Like you said, rules are not specific about what you can do during skip turn. Rules say "If you break any of the rules mentioned above (WBA, CBA, AFR) you must not attack your opponent during your next turn, but you're still allowed to get your crate." If you follow this rule literally, u should be allowed to do anything but attack. I agree that you should be only allowed to take the crate and perhaps hide. But is it our fault if rules leave room for interpretation?"
lets assume you did want to follow the rule literally, and you want to be able to do anything other than attack, because its not your fault if rules leave room for interpretation, right??
even with that logic, j0hny did not "skip" until 2 turns later, if you guys want to find loop holes in the rules, thats cool.. but you cant pick and choose when to take the penalty in order to maximize the effect of the loophole ;p
I apologize for my mistakes. Maybe I'm too stupid for this game, dunno. Game is your. I play for fun, cool if we win, but to wage war for one game.
If it will improve it your mood within my apology Report Your a second game which we not played.
senator:: stop saying this zook glitch did not benefit your game, it definitely benefits your game that the zook glitch threw chelsea to the barrel, regardless what weapons you had in your inventory, you used an illegal one to get him to the barrel..
lets assume you did want to follow the rule literally, and you want to be able to do anything other than attack, because its not your fault if rules leave room for interpretation, right??
even with that logic, j0hny did not "skip" until 2 turns later, if you guys want to find loop holes in the rules, thats cool.. but you cant pick and choose when to take the penalty in order to maximize the effect of the loophole ;p
I did not know that this is so serious a problem here :/
Since the damage caused by breaking rules may vary, mods have the power to decide on the outcome. Some cow could take 100+ from the opponent, so 1 turn skip wouldn't do the balancing. Some cows changes the outcome of the game, throwing worms in the places (e.g. barrels) which changes the planned strategy of the opponent.
Also a skip, is supposed to be the next turn of that player not anytime he sees fit. During the skip you could knock, but depending on the nature of the cow, it could still void the game.
Game is void.
Skip turn should be clearer Monkey. In my opinion f12 two times without moving so you cannot even fall more or less accidentalky during yr turn byvtaking any advantages. Then if the team think that the cow was too consistent in their loss yu re right that mods decide
During the skip you could knock
New rule: Dont be a c@#!.
During the skip you could knock
lol for real?? this is stupid...
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Since the damage caused by breaking rules may vary, mods have the power to decide on the outcome. Some cow could take 100+ from the opponent, so 1 turn skip wouldn't do the balancing. Some cows changes the outcome of the game, throwing worms in the places (e.g. barrels) which changes the planned strategy of the opponent.
Also a skip, is supposed to be the next turn of that player not anytime he sees fit. During the skip you could knock, but depending on the nature of the cow, it could still void the game.
Game is void.
monkey's post is ridiculous
monkey's post is ridiculous
Boss has always right. BAN for ANO! :D
but, i dont want to argue this point much, i dont care much about the win, if its our win, cool... if its a rematch, thats fine as well
What about skip turn then?
I think it should be also f12 two times, without moving.
this is the type of shit that will cause anarchy.
next time i see some turn to kill a worm with a cow, f@#! the walls.. im taking that turn...
and in my "skip turn" ill just knock worms all the f@#! around to where i want them for my team mate...
wxw maps are all flat surfaces, with 30 seconds i can knock a worm to the complete other end of the f@#!ing map practically, and you think that will be considered a skip turn, right MI?
cant wait to play wxw now that i completely understand the rules.
People should really skip if they cow, without moving at all, and if they don't they should lose. it's so simple...
this is the type of shit that will cause anarchy.
next time i see some turn to kill a worm with a cow, f@#! the walls.. im taking that turn...
and in my "skip turn" ill just knock worms all the f@#! around to where i want them for my team mate...
wxw maps are all flat surfaces, with 30 seconds i can knock a worm to the complete other end of the f@#!ing map practically, and you think that will be considered a skip turn, right MI?
cant wait to play wxw now that i completely understand the rules.
But the mods will void any game where you do this, I think is what MI is saying.
So basically, only do it when behind :D
If you are in match of any sport, if you cow, you pay.
Also to other contributors, I'm sure no matter how detailed I make the TUS rulebook, there are certain people who will still find their way to open up another complaint.
Exacly I wrote about it before, doesnt have accurately interpreted rule, and that why such complaints will be more.If you are in match of any sport, if you cow, you pay.
Sorry but when was the last time in football or rugby or tennis or golf or badminton or hockey or whatever, and some guy yelled "COW!"? It's never happened lol.
I agree there should be punishment, but skipping and not collecting your crate is more than skip, you are giving the opponent an extra crate that they didn't earn/don't deserve.
The best way would be to write the exact rule, in roper for example, "if there is cow, the player who cowed must not attack their next turn, they can collect crate and return to hide, no changing hide, no pushing/knocking/piling other worms, no dropping mines on land." <--- Something like this.
How did you make the rules for schemes? They're pretty bad.
If you are in match of any sport, if you cow, you pay.
Sorry but when was the last time in football or rugby or tennis or golf or badminton or hockey or whatever, and some guy yelled "COW!"? It's never happened lol.
I agree there should be punishment, but skipping and not collecting your crate is more than skip, you are giving the opponent an extra crate that they didn't earn/don't deserve.
The best way would be to write the exact rule, in roper for example, "if there is cow, the player who cowed must not attack their next turn, they can collect crate and return to hide, no changing hide, no pushing/knocking/piling other worms, no dropping mines on land." <--- Something like this.
next time i cow, im not taking penalty.. ill just go for the win/draw.. void game beats a loss any day.
...so now you can look at the psychological side of wormers' mind just looking at their cow/turns and be able to see if they were cowing on purpose or not... and of course Avirex who has just declared it, it's an easy target. avirex, try to alias
I wish if I could understand that what's going on there. :-X
When j0hny used this bazooka glitch, you gave us chance to choose between skipping and not attacking the worm next to barrel. So you let us do other than rules say.
When j0hny attacked that worm next to barrel you said "ok, you guys need to skip a turn now" and Chelsea said "ye skip". Again you accepted that j0hny does a late skip, and he indeed did "skip" his next turn. :)
It is a no-brainer, we had an even game, a cow and a late skip penalty which resulted in the win of the team who broke the rules. dt lost by a huge margin. Game's void.
I'm terribly sorry. I don't know how I missed the ending, I think I got caught by 14:45 by the huge advantage of TLaD. (How did you lose that game anyway?)
It's a win for dt. You can report. Glad I said the "no-brainer" line hehe. Again sorry :(
dt, report the game and let's play your pick!