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Hi guys,

I've been thinking recently about how I would love there to be a TTRR league, much like TRL.

Could be called TTL perhaps.

Does anyone else think it's a good idea?

I won't make a poll unless it could be a realistic idea.

Cue :<

LOL I knew this was coming !!!!

Let's have a League for everything :)

^^ Serious.

I want a ttrr league too, but Cue TRL isnt tus "roper" league, its tus "rotated" league, many people think it is going to be a permanent roper league, which it wont be!

I hope the next rotated league scheme is TTRR, it should be!

You should have a talk with CatWeazleCrazy :)

how does the overall rank work in the rotated league btw?

Are they saved until that particular scheme is picked again, or does the overall rating get resetted each month?

Quote from: NAiL on March 17, 2011, 11:41 PM
I want a ttrr league too, but Cue TRL isnt tus "roper" league, its tus "rotated" league, many people think it is going to be a permanent roper league, which it wont be!

I hope the next rotated league scheme is TTRR, it should be!

People will get TRL withdrawals when it finishes.  I too thought it was a permanent league.

:<  Bugger.

Well, I say make a TTRR league anyway! :<

Quote from MI:

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 03, 2011, 10:59 AM
Here's come TRL but it doesn't stand for TUS Roper League. It stands for TUS Rotated League. People have asked me for separate leagues for T17, TTRR and hysteria. Since that is not possible to have, I made a rotated league. But we'll stay on Roper as long as there are enough players/activity on it. If activity decreased, we'll make a poll for the next scheme.

Seeing as TRL is really active and popular, my guess is it will stay Roper xD

As long as it stays active, it will NOT change according to his words there.

Let's hope it stays active :)

It wont, also click on season information.

Look at the TEL statistics, less games are being played each season. Once the initial excitement of a new league dies down so does the activity!

The next scheme should definitely be ttrr, there is no doubt it will be just as active as roper is right now.

We should have a poll really.

Is it a lot of work to copy and paste all the code for TRL...but rename it TTL*

Just create it and I'll help mod it!  I'm sure others will help too.

I'm not seriously expecting that but it is a shame that a TTRR league might not happen for a good long while :<

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 12:20 AM
Is it a lot of work to copy and paste all the code for TRL...but rename it TTRR.

Just create it and I'll help mod it!  I'm sure others will help too.

Thats an offer you cant refuse! Call it TTTL though. Tus time trial league!

I dont see how this can be a bad thing.

The only argument people have for not having more leagues is that it will decrease activity in the main league.

This very clearly isnt true. Activity in the main league has increased massively with the addition of each new league!

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

TTTL please!

I am keen on a TTRR League also, I support it to an extent, but seriously ask yourself, does TuS need 5 Leagues???

Sorry but I think 5 Leagues is just taking the piss lol.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
I am keen on a TTRR League also, I support it to an extent, but seriously ask yourself, does TuS need 5 Leagues???

Sorry but I think 5 Leagues is just taking the piss lol.

Why does TUS not need 5 leagues?

It can only be a good thing offering even more variety to players. If people want a ttrr league, if people will play in a ttrr league, then how is it in any way a bad thing?

It isnt, and it doesnt "take the piss". This is the ultimate site after all, remember that.

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 12:28 AM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
I am keen on a TTRR League also, I support it to an extent, but seriously ask yourself, does TuS need 5 Leagues???

Sorry but I think 5 Leagues is just taking the piss lol.

Why does TUS not need 5 leagues?

It can only be a good thing offering even more variety to players. If people want a ttrr league, if people will play in a ttrr league, then how is it in any way a bad thing?

It isnt, and it doesnt "take the piss". This is the ultimate site after all, remember that.

Case in point for me.

I'm getting into leaguing more and this would only further increase my league activity.

:<

Yeah Nail, let's make a league for every Scheme, then what's the point in Classic League?

I like TTRR and would be cool with having TTRR as a League, but not as a 5th, maybe change the TRL to TTRR for a Season.

The more Leagues you make, the more time people have to spend playing them all to be successful, and alot of people don't have that time.

The proposal Komo is for ONE additional league.  Your points suggest an extreme change is taking place.

When TRL was introduced there were no adverse consequences, even some positive effects to be happy about.  

Why should there be any negatives to having one more league?

*edit* - But there's no need to drag this into a debate.  Your point has been noted and it's something to consider definitely.  I'm sure other people will have points to make about this.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 12:45 AM
Yeah Nail, let's make a league for every Scheme, then what's the point in Classic League?

I like TTRR and would be cool with having TTRR as a League, but not as a 5th, maybe change the TRL to TTRR for a Season.

The more Leagues you make, the more time people have to spend playing them all to be successful, and alot of people don't have that time.

eh?

We are not talking about a league for every scheme. We are talking about adding a TTRR league.

The point in the classic league is that it is an ALL ROUND league. In this league players must be skilled in all schemes in order to be successful.

Then there are scheme specific league like TEL and TRL. This allows players who specialise in one scheme, or only wish to play a scheme specific league the chance to do so.

As I have already said, activity in the main league has INCREASED with the addition of each new league, this is a good thing.

People dont have to play every single league.... your point is redundant. People play the leagues they wish to play, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

As ive said, give me one good reason why offering more variety to players is a bad thing? You cant.

If people want a ttrr league, if people will play in a ttrr league, why is it a bad thing. It isnt.

The only reason you have given is "5 leagues takes the piss", which isnt a reason, its a ridiculous statement.

You seem to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. You say that you support a ttrr league, but in the same sentence you say you dont think there should be a ttrr league. What are you saying? You want one or not? Make up your mind.

Fact is you, or ANYBODY cant give one single valid reason why there shouldnt be a ttrr league (other than creating work for MI, although im sure MI is as eager to improve TUS and please the players as the rest of us).

Remember this isnt TUS league, this isnt a website dedicated to one single league, this is The Ultimate Site. A site created for many different purposes.

i agree TTRR should be the next.

I would play in a ttrr league

Nail, I already explained i'd like to have TTRR as the next TRL scheme, are you blind lol?

I love BnG, you don't see me asking for a BnG League, and before you say we already have one, that's more of a community than a League, and has different rules, I would still love a TuS BnG League with the TuS Rules but I just don't think it's worth it.

I am not being argumentative, I am stating my opinion and I couldn't care less if TTRR was added as an individual League or not lol, I just don't THINK it should, I am entitled to my opinion and theres NOTHING you can do about that mate :P

And like I said Nail, whether it applies to you or not, some people don't have the time to play all these new Leagues and be successful with them all although they would.

If I had the time to play Classic and TEL as well as a2b/TuS BnG/TRL along with my Tournaments, and Clanners, the a2b Cup, socializing with Clanmates and b2b mates and other things, I would. Other people have conditions that prevent them from playing everything they wish they had time for.

It's not rocket science to accept this fact, and if TTRR League gets added, i'll play some games, but I won't have the time to be 100% active in it as it's less a priority than other Leagues I prefer, although if I had the time I would, and for ME that creates a problem, and could possibly be the same for others as my main point being too many Leagues knowing full well there are so many people that want to win everything but the way it's going it will just be too much.

Besides, Hysteria is more popular than TTRR and should be added 1st, if going by YOUR point to add activity.

Oh and looking at recent statistics:

Taking into consideration Singles (which is more important because no one plays Single League Clanners actively really):

200 TTRR for Classic Season 19 so far
460 Hysteria for Classic Season 19 so far

1020 Hysteria for Classic Season 18
460 TTRR for Classic Season 18

And if you check Overall, it's even more a mile ahead for Hysteria.

Hysteria deserves a League more than TTRR going by adding activity imo.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 01:13 AM
If I had the time to play Classic and TEL as well as a2b/TuS BnG/TRL along with my Tournaments, and Clanners, the a2b Cup, socializing with Clanmates and b2b mates and other things, I would. Other people have conditions that prevent them from playing everything they wish they had time for.

It's not rocket science to accept this fact, and if TTRR League gets added, i'll play some games, but I won't have the time to be 100% active in it as it's less a priority than other Leagues I prefer, although if I had the time I would, and for ME that creates a problem, and could possibly be the same for others as my main point being too many Leagues knowing full well there are so many people that want to win everything but the way it's going it will just be too much.

You do have time, you're on these forums all the time. Instead of reading this post right now you could be in AG looking for a league game, you're not, but you could be.

If you dont have time... why does this matter? If you dont have time to play in every league, so what!? You dont have to play in every league, people can chose what they want to play, when they want to. Nobody is forced to play in every league.

Although I disagree with most of what you say and believe most of it bares absolutely no relevance to the question at hand, I accept your point of view. Im not going to spam this thread repeating the same things over and over, ill leave it here.

Theres only one thing that needs to be done, create a poll asking "Do you want a ttrr league?". If the majority wants one, then it should be so.

Wait, so I am not allowed to spend time socializing with the community and talking about things?

I am in AG right now and I am looking for League games lol, I am trying to get a 2v2 TRL Singles as we speak...

You think my points have no relevance, fair enough, I think the exact same about what you say.

I respect you and always have, and yeah I accept your views although I disagree, but that's what makes us Human :)

Good luck with TRL, and btw I edited my last post if you didn't read it already.

I don't have a problem adding a new league, that's what I always say. I used to think new leagues would kill activity on the classic league. But they didn't, at least so far.

What I care the most, is to have a well managed system for all these leagues. I'm sure there will be requests for other schemes to have separate league too. what I need to know is what should our answer be to each of them. I myself would DEFINITELY play in a Hysteria league.

Should we have another league added, should we set TTRR for the next TRL scheme? A new league always have excitement and it usually blind us to see few steps further. As mentioned above, why TEL is having less games? say we have 10 leagues going on. 3 months later, league #4, #7, #8 are showing inactivity, what will be our action? remove them?

I'll attach a poll to this thread. :)

MI, you forgot to add an option for "No" lol.

I'd like to see it as the next TRL scheme personally :)

Also TUS tournaments are almost ready. So think about if playing tourney in your favorite scheme would quench your league playing desire?

You mention a nice approach to this MI. You also bring up very good questions.. worthy of discussion.

I actually did not realize until now that TRL:Roper meant The Rotated League:Roper.. but now it makes sense. Though Johnny, the biggest supporter of roper league, might not like it if it's changed to TTRR next. I'm assuming he also thought like me, that TRL stood for "The Roper League." Other hardcore ropers might also dislike roper league being gone for 2 months or even 4 months (if you rotate between TTRR, Hysteria, Roper).

Then others might say TEL is unfair to get a league all by itself. My only defense for TEL.. is that it probably has one of the strongest communities (at least right now). If that changes in the future.. perhaps TEL shouldn't have a league all by itself.

Personally? I'd like to see TTRR next in the TRL. I actually enjoy many of these schemes: roper/ttrr/hysteria.. and I wouldn't mind seeing them get some love. If that works by letting them in TRL, then I think that's nice.

It's quite funny you say that franz, cuz Johnny doesn't even play TRL for being the biggest supporter lol.

I can't mess with TEL. There are certain people who would assassinate mate the second I do something to it.

Quote from: franz on March 18, 2011, 06:48 AM
I'm assuming he also thought like me, that TRL stood for "The Roper League."

Didn't you read this (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/trl-started/)? (first 2 lines) :)

Yeah I know Komo, and I find that weird.. though it's possible he might be waiting for a future season? I have no idea.. only he can come here and tell his story. If he indeed wants to wait, and TRL does change to TTRR, he'll be missing out on the roper action!

edit: ahh, MI, nice.. nope, looks like I missed that, or actually I read it back then... and immediately forgot ^^

Lol MI, I actually quoted what you just linked earlier in this thread :)

And yeah franz, I am really enjoying TRL atm, I got a bit angry earlier losing a 2v2 TRL, just the way it all went down at the end was such a slap in the face lol, but i'm cool now, I need a proper version of this keychanger because since I reinstalled windows my Roping just feels weird and the buttons won't respond sometimes :O

Seriously, if you honestly think adding new leagues makes it better, we should think about Hysteria and BnG next, i'd easily nominate myself and some b2b members to take care of it all (that doesn't mean there would be fancy rules etc lol).

I want a piece of this pie xD

that will be a awesome and non-luck league.

I was talking about it before  TRL was realised but no one listened :'(
I agree ofc, hopefully I will be back in holidays so it would be great to have it here
you can play it whenever you wish, just need.. 5 minutes? :P
and still it's my fav scheme ;)


EDIT:
"Make it the next scheme for TRL"
what do you mean exactly? to add it to roper league? ummm, you mean that you could choose beetwen roper or ttrr? for example I pick ttrr and my opponent roper and I have to agree to play?
it's no sense for me as I love ttrr and don't really like roper xD

Personally, I found it weird that we can play elite for both the classic league and TEL :) Only thing that's added is playoffs for TEL in addition to the classic league. The system works exactly the same and the schemes are exactly the same.

So why not just have 2 playoffs for classic league? An overall playoff and a specialist playoff? The specialist playoffs pick one of the scheme ratings and uses the same criteria. The specialist playoff should be a new scheme each season so it's still interesting.

wouldnt be it easier we just set a an number of matches for every scheme in classic league and play playoffs there? then there would be 8 leagues + the overall po.
i know we got troubles to organise the playoffs we already created.
maybe  each scheme  got his own moderators (komo and his crew for bng as an example). then we dont need to discuss which scheme will be next in trl or which other scheme got his own league.

imo its better to give the responsibility to the players who care about the schemes to organize it, then to box it out which special scheme will be next in a rotating league

@Maciej,
TRL stands for TUS Rotated League. So that means TTRR will be the next scheme in TRL. right now you see "TRL: roper", and next season it can be "TRL: TTRR"

@DarkOne & Peja,
I suggested that when creating TEL. but people insisted on separate league for Elite and stuff. I can fetch the topic for you if you want.

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:57 AM
I was talking about it before  TRL was realised but no one listened :'(
I agree ofc, hopefully I will be back in holidays so it would be great to have it here
you can play it whenever you wish, just need.. 5 minutes? :P
and still it's my fav scheme ;)


EDIT:
"Make it the next scheme for TRL"
what do you mean exactly? to add it to roper league? ummm, you mean that you could choose beetwen roper or ttrr? for example I pick ttrr and my opponent roper and I have to agree to play?
it's no sense for me as I love ttrr and don't really like roper xD

TRL is not a roper league, it`s a rotated league. So the scheme rotates from each season, maybe next season it will be RR! I can`t imagine MI to add another seperate league as TTRR League. Then we just might as well drop the whole classic league ;X

Edit: ah, this was the third page of the thread xD

aaah, it sucks then :-X I was sure that TRL is Tus Roper League xD
so for me the only sense option is add new league for ttrr, I don't care about TRL as I'm inactive...

for me : Add a new league for TTRR

yeah, adding new league is best option for me, just imagine how the rope skill would grow up if more ppl play it 8)

I personally think TTRR and Elite and possibly Roper, (but I don't accept it fully) are the only worthy schemes for making a seperate league. These determine only skillful players and simply each of them have their lovers which is hard to find when we look at the other schemes (BnG has its a2b so let's don't put it here). Each of these minorities fought for their beloved schemes - first Elite lovers, then Roper. Now it's time for TTRR and I'm completly into it. I obviously would like to help to run this league. :)

You are afraid about the activity and aswell you don't want to split the whole league into pieces. I understand but believe me - we, TTRR addicts, don't play TUS Classic League at all (of course you will find some exceptions), we desire a league where we would feel comfortably and this would give us such opportunity. Players who just enjoy playing TTRR won't stick to this league and they will more likely play Classic or something else. The only castling will be made at present Roper League, few will switch to TTRR League, others will play both. So in my opinion the activity will not be hurt and you will give us a possibility to play a league that perfectly describes what we love to do.

I agree with Dulcioch, I didn't play league often, but I'd love to play ttrr league! :-*

Nowdays its pretty hard to find a tus.. sometimes i sit a hour in ag and no one want to tus.. but ppl, ask for tel or trl in this time .. tus single league will die soon if there gonna be 3 another leagues.. well i rly would like to play that ttrr league but at least there should be just one league, for best allrounder. i dont mind what gonna happen ;p i just said what i think

Quote from: sm0k on March 18, 2011, 04:01 PM
Nowdays its pretty hard to find a tus.. sometimes i sit a hour in ag and no one want to tus.. but ppl, ask for tel or trl in this time .. tus single league will die soon if there gonna be 3 another leagues.. well i rly would like to play that ttrr league but at least there should be just one league, for best allrounder. i dont mind what gonna happen ;p i just said what i think

its fine that you think this, but it really is not true at all! Infact the opposite is true.

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

Click on that link, you can clearly see that activity in the classic league has INCREASED with the addition of each new league.

The argument that adding more leagues will kill the classic league just isnt true, and there is evidence to support this.

What about of a TRSL ? , but it meaning Tus Races League , this league will have roperace , bungeerace , parachuterace and battlerace.

Opinions?

I think those schemes should stay in the free league. They are all very different and most ttrr players dont play them anyway.

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 04:29 PM

Quote from: sm0k on March 18, 2011, 04:01 PM
Nowdays its pretty hard to find a tus.. sometimes i sit a hour in ag and no one want to tus.. but ppl, ask for tel or trl in this time .. tus single league will die soon if there gonna be 3 another leagues.. well i rly would like to play that ttrr league but at least there should be just one league, for best allrounder. i dont mind what gonna happen ;p i just said what i think

its fine that you think this, but it really is not true at all! Infact the opposite is true.

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

Click on that link, you can clearly see that activity in the classic league has INCREASED with the addition of each new league.

The argument that adding more leagues will kill the classic league just isnt true, and there is evidence to support this.

well may i'm just on wrong times in ag .. but its rly hard to find a tus 4 me.  thats why i said it will die .. at least i think. let see what happen ;)

yeh its just your bl smok!

As i keep saying, you can SEE that activity in the classic league is increasing with the addition of each new league!

There still seems to be people who have not realised this and are saying the same as you did!

EVIDENCE: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

Adding more leagues HAS INCREASED classic league activity!

This is GOOD for the classic league!

It's kind of unfair in a way, this community is so small with so many schemes that people love only a few are as you call "worthy" of having their own League, I think it's a bit sad to WA that people are even saying "worthy" about other schemes like Bungee Race and BnG and Hysteria just because you don't like them or they already have a League seperate to this website.

People are saying "Ah this scheme has been around longer than that scheme so it's worthy"

Then I could say what about BnG? That's been around since "Worms" the franchise started...

Then they like, ah you already have a League for that? So what? That has NOTHING to do with TuS tbh.

What I really think, this is taking the piss picking these couple schemes over other schemes, and even doing it in the 1st place, mass numbers represents power on these forums and in WA, the more people want something then it happens, and the minority suffer, it's like racism for WA schemes lol.

imo TRL should be roper + TTRR

Quote from: DarkOne on March 18, 2011, 10:58 AM
Personally, I found it weird that we can play elite for both the classic league and TEL :) Only thing that's added is playoffs for TEL in addition to the classic league. The system works exactly the same and the schemes are exactly the same.

So why not just have 2 playoffs for classic league? An overall playoff and a specialist playoff? The specialist playoffs pick one of the scheme ratings and uses the same criteria. The specialist playoff should be a new scheme each season so it's still interesting.

This is actually making a lot more sense now.

You can also simplify a lot of reporting problems by just making everything report into the classic league. The only real differences for TEL right now is that it has its own standings/playoffs/overall ranking. If everything just reports into the classic league (MI confirm if this is possible), everything is ok as long as you still have separate Elite standings you can view -> which also has it's own separate playoff seeds/minimum requirements. The only outstanding issue would be how to handle the currently two separate overall ratings (classic and TEL).

Naturally, this concept could also expand to other schemes that gain enough support. So there could be separate Roper standings with its own playoff seeds/minimum requirements. And now for TTRR, there would be separate standings and its own playoff seeds/requirements.

Depending on popularity, these separate standings/playoffs could be removed, or just go dormant. In the end though, all is reported into classic league, so that instead of duplicate schemes getting split up reports with separate leagues... the classic league could truly show all games being played, and hopefully show the true allrounder.


edit: also, this could potentially increase the chances of finding those specialized games in ag -> "TTRR tus anyone?" will probably get more people to accept because those games will count toward those specialized standings along with the classic standings.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 06:12 PM
It's kind of unfair in a way, this community is so small with so many schemes that people love only a few are as you call "worthy" of having their own League, I think it's a bit sad to WA that people are even saying "worthy" about other schemes like Bungee Race and BnG and Hysteria just because you don't like them or they already have a League seperate to this website.

People are saying "Ah this scheme has been around longer than that scheme so it's worthy"

I'm about to leave so let me gather my words quickly. I assume you're talking about my post. Well, I didn't say a scheme is more worthy than other because it has been around longer. I said that some schemes are more skillful, some are less and these skillful schemes provide bunch of people directly playing that special one.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 06:12 PMThen I could say what about BnG? That's been around since "Worms" the franchise started...

Then they like, ah you already have a League for that? So what? That has NOTHING to do with TuS tbh.

I did not say a single word that BnG doesn't deserve its seperate league on TUS, I said there's no need for it since we have a2b run by you and what's the point for having another one? If a2b didn't exist, BnG would definitely could have its own league on TUS.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 06:12 PMWhat I really think, this is taking the piss picking these couple schemes over other schemes, and even doing it in the 1st place, mass numbers represents power on these forums and in WA, the more people want something then it happens, and the minority suffer, it's like racism for WA schemes lol.

And aren't you putting BnG over other schemes because it's your favourite one? I feel same thing to TTRR and I can't call it egoism or even racism, mreh. I enjoy every scheme if you ask me, but TTRR is a special thing.

Chaotic post, but I g2g.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 06:12 PM
it's like racism for WA schemes lol.

..and saying it person, who has made separate league for BnG only xD
what an irony ::)

Dulek, it actually wasn't directed at you lol, and yeah I threw that post together quickly cuz I had to leave in a hurry to go visit my Gran in hospital.

How can you say TTRR is more skillful than any other scheme? They all take as much skill as any other really, it's more popular is to me it's only valid point.

Well, like some people already said when TEL and TRL was 1st suggested, they want those Leagues on TuS as it's the most active and popular League and therefore MANY people will look at the standings so you have a better feeling of success, a2b is great, I love a2b obviously and others do too, but it's nowhere near as active as any League on TuS because we only have around 50-60 players on a2b.

If TuS had a seperate BnG League, it would be much more active ;)

I am not putting BnG over any other scheme because it's my favourite though, I'd rather see Hysteria 1st on TuS before BnG and TTRR ;) but that's just my opinion because I personally feel Hysteria is presently more popular than both TTRR and Ropers put together, but that's just me :)

I don't think that hysteria would be popular, because a lot of ppl really like this scheme, but don't like ekhm 'telecows' too (nabs, just can't find a tactic to avoid them and calls them lame, while it is inteligent strategy :P)

Lol.

Every thread no matter what the topic, we can guarantee Komo will be arguing away his points.

*big sigh*

TTRR does not take raw intelligence or strategy but it requires very precise timing and fast reflexes.  More so than any other scheme.

Quote"They all take as much skill as any other really"

No they don't Komo.

TTRR is the top skill game in worms.

How can it even be argued.  It's all about timing, reflexes and composure.  No luck, just you and the rope.  No other factors.

*edit*

I would even go as far as to say TTRR is the greatest and most skill intense game in the whole universe.

When people play rr for the first time they are laughably bad and even after more than 10 years of practice people are still developing their game and learning new skills.

TTRR is all about skill and no other scheme requires that level of skill.

Seriously, TTRR is NOT the top skill game in worms.

I can BnG better than anyone can do anything else in any scheme on WA and I don't even consider BnG the top skilled, don't care if this sounds arrogant, it's simply the truth and it has to be said so people stop telling lies like "TTRR is top scheme" "Elite is top scheme" it's all a bunch of crap lol.

For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

I like TTRR but lol, stop with the lies mate ;)

I ain't the only person that disagrees alot, theres people that do it more than me in fact, just not as openly and as confident.

I agree with... Cue ???

yes Komo, you are best in bng, but more ppl like ttrr than bng, in ttrr you don't care about wind too, if you are getting better your speed of roping is faster, your timing, follow it tap, you don't have any lucky pixels (well there are, but it depends on map too)
and yeah, in ttrr you can stil be better and better (check deadcode replays ;D) and in bng I can't imagine better skill than your :P

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:32 PM
I agree with... Cue ???

yes Komo, you are best in bng, but more ppl like ttrr than bng, in ttrr you don't care about wind too, if you are getting better your speed of roping is faster, your timing, follow it tap, you don't have any lucky pixels (well there are, but it depends on map too)
and yeah, in ttrr you can stil be better and better (check deadcode replays :P) and in bng I can't imagine better skill than your :P

I agree with you there Maciej, obviously more people like TTRR than BnG, and i've already said I would play in a TTRR League, but I don't think anyone will even stop to even slightly consider what I am trying to say (not regarding last post though) just because it's me and because I disagree with alot of things.

You know what, this game and these forums remind me of my job, you NEVER get noticed or thanked for doing a great job or helping others, but whenever you disagree with something, or complain, or lose your temper with someone, you immediately get shot down, it's kinda funny in a way, but deeply deeply pathetic.

It happens to me and it happens to alot of other people on these forums, and it's always the same sad people complaining about it lol.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
Seriously, TTRR is NOT the top skill game in worms.

I can BnG better than anyone can do anything else in any scheme on WA and I don't even consider BnG the top skilled, don't care if this sounds arrogant, it's simply the truth and it has to be said so people stop telling lies like "TTRR is top scheme" "Elite is top scheme" it's all a bunch of crap lol.

For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

I like TTRR but lol, stop with the lies mate ;)

I ain't the only person that disagrees alot, theres people that do it more than me in fact, just not as openly and as confident.

Wowser.

Nahh, my sheep skills take a big shit all over your BnG skills lol.

Mablak's RR skills shit all over your BnG skills too :D

Don't get cocky Komo or I will.

Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you ;)

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:34 PM
You know what, this game and these forums remind me of my job, you NEVER get noticed or thanked for doing a great job or helping others, but whenever you disagree with something, or complain, or lose your temper with someone, you immediately get shot down, it's kinda funny in a way, but deeply deeply pathetic.

that's it, same here -.-

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:38 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:34 PM
You know what, this game and these forums remind me of my job, you NEVER get noticed or thanked for doing a great job or helping others, but whenever you disagree with something, or complain, or lose your temper with someone, you immediately get shot down, it's kinda funny in a way, but deeply deeply pathetic.

that's it, same here -.-

Lol let's join forces and run away together !

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you ;)

well, I will have to repeat myself - more ppl play ttrr than bng, and look, at ttrr you get only 3 chances to get time, so it's really hard to get perfect in this scheme, in bng you get much more turns to try, so even if you fail 3, you are still in game

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:39 PM

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:38 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:34 PM
You know what, this game and these forums remind me of my job, you NEVER get noticed or thanked for doing a great job or helping others, but whenever you disagree with something, or complain, or lose your temper with someone, you immediately get shot down, it's kinda funny in a way, but deeply deeply pathetic.

that's it, same here -.-

Lol let's join forces and run away together !

hahah, ok, appluad from me and thx for your too :P

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you ;)

Ok, let's open a new topic to argue who has the biggest penis.

Meanwhile we'll let this thread get back on topic.

But if TTRR wasn't the most skillful scheme, how come we have tool asssited replays to show us what is actually possible but replays we could never achieve unless we were super human robots.  

That is how awesome TTRR is.  Even after multiple years of training no one can come close to what is actually possible.

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:42 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you ;)

well, I will have to repeat myself - more ppl play ttrr than bng, and look, at ttrr you get only 3 chances to get time, so it's really hard to get perfect in this scheme, in bng you get much more turns to try, so even if you fail 3, you are still in game

Yeah, well that's what I think too but then, you can play like 5-6 TTRRs in the time a BnG takes and you can warm all day on one game lol, in terms of "what looks better" more people prefer almost anything to BnG lol, but in terms of statistics and Leagues, my point still stands.

Nice double post lol :P

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you ;)

Ok, let's open a new topic to argue who has the biggest penis.

Meanwhile we'll let this thread get back on topic.

But if TTRR wasn't the most skillful scheme, how come we have tool asssited replays to show us what is actually possible but replays we could never achieve unless we were super human robots.  

That is how awesome TTRR is.  Even after multiple years of training no one can come close to what is actually possible.

That just shows it isn't the most skillful, because nobody can achieve "whats possible", lol why are you even using this as a point, it's totally flawed.

And you could say the SAME thing about Ropers and BungeeRace and so many other schemes.

it's not flawed, it shows possibilites and makes sense to play, to get better and better (because as good you are, you still can be better!)

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

roper, elite, t17, wxw, shopper

Quote from: oldsock on March 18, 2011, 09:58 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

roper, elite, t17, wxw, shopper

Does it? Funny how Cueshark isn't a good Roper, and Ryan sucked at Ropers too, and how does it help you with 2 shots of a Rope on Elite? And how does TTRR help you in T17 when you only have 1 Rope? Ropers help you with WxW and Shoppers imo, not TTRR.

In fact, you barely even have to be capable of roping for most Shopper maps.

BnG league ne1? ( with a2b rules ) xD

Quote from: K1NG on March 18, 2011, 10:13 PM
BnG league ne1? ( with a2b rules ) xD

Lol mate, if there was even a 1% chance of having a BnG League on TuS, i'd actually use TuS rules :P

I'm not gonna get sucked into an endless debate about why TTRR is the most skillful scheme.

All I know is that TTRR tests many gaming skills.  Timing, precision, dexterity, forward thinking, planning, reaction speed.  It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.

There is no other scheme in my opinion which requires such training in all of these areas.

Let's just agree to differ about this k?

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 10:00 PM

Quote from: oldsock on March 18, 2011, 09:58 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

roper, elite, t17, wxw, shopper

Does it? Funny how Cueshark isn't a good Roper, and Ryan sucked at Ropers too, and how does it help you with 2 shots of a Rope on Elite? And how does TTRR help you in T17 when you only have 1 Rope? Ropers help you with WxW and Shoppers imo, not TTRR.

In fact, you barely even have to be capable of roping for most Shopper maps.

f@#! off telling me I'm not a good roper?  Komo, you're rubbing me up the wrong way today.

The worst thing is bragging about skill in a scheme.  I never do it (before this thread).  But when someone tells me I'm not good at something involving a ninja rope I gotta pipe up and say that you're talking bollocks.

I'll go grab any crate on the map and shove a zook in your ass.

TTRR makes any scheme with a rope seem totally easy.  Like these people playing towers all the time.  If they practiced in TTRR then their skill levels would shoot through the roof.

Jesus.

Telling me I suck at ropers to create an argument against my viewpoint.  Very cheap.

How would you like it if I said that you suck at TTRR because you lack the necessary 'skill'.  Shoddy arguments.

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 10:50 PM
I'm not gonna get sucked into an endless debate about why TTRR is the most skillful scheme.

All I know is that TTRR tests many gaming skills.  Timing, precision, dexterity, forward thinking, planning, reaction speed.  It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.

There is no other scheme in my opinion which requires such training in all of these areas.

Let's just agree to differ about this k?

All those things mentioned applies to Roper for starters so you have failed right away, BnG also imo, timing and reaction speed for the pwoer bar, and trust me, it's not easy to get it right everytime, I even miss alot, and basically every scheme on WA has those same things.

A psychological test? You're going overboard lol, why don't we just train the military and NASA etc with Rope Races from now on?

We agreed to differ about this before it even started obviously lol, but we can both agree to shutup about it lol, if you however wanna chat about it in person because I am actually interested in hearing more of why you think TTRR is the "Top skill scheme" PM me or let's chat on MSN.

Cue, you suck at Ropers(a bit), so what? I suck at TTRR, so what? Get over it.

Well actually, maybe we don't suck lol, that's stupid, but i'm average at TTRR and strong at Roper, you are average at Roper and Strong at TTRR, is that better?

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:06 PM

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 10:50 PM
I'm not gonna get sucked into an endless debate about why TTRR is the most skillful scheme.

All I know is that TTRR tests many gaming skills.  Timing, precision, dexterity, forward thinking, planning, reaction speed.  It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.

There is no other scheme in my opinion which requires such training in all of these areas.

Let's just agree to differ about this k?

All those things mentioned applies to Roper for starters so you have failed right away, BnG also imo, timing and reaction speed for the pwoer bar, and trust me, it's not easy to get it right everytime, I even miss alot, and basically every scheme on WA has those same things.

A psychological test? You're going overboard lol, why don't we just train the military and NASA etc with Rope Races from now on?

We agreed to differ about this before it even started obviously lol, but we can both agree to shutup about it lol, if you however wanna chat about it in person because I am actually interested in hearing more of why you think TTRR is the "Top skill scheme" PM me or let's chat on MSN.

Cue, you suck at Ropers(a bit), so what? I suck at TTRR, so what? Get over it.

Agggh.

Listen.  Making a cup of tea requires all those things too.  But not in quite the same quantities which was my point.

I hardly ever play league games.  So 99% of my games occur in 'funner' teritory.  We never play funners together so how the f@#! do you know how good I am at roper?

Again, this thread is becoming personal. 

I don't want to discuss stuff about this in private with you.

for real komo, u're such a spmmer... u're fuking evryere

I actually edited my post again btw lol.

Ok let me break down your example:

Timing: Sure this requires alot of timing for pressing the space and arrows at the right times, but it's equal to Ropers.

Precision: Every scheme requires this.

Dexterity: Same goes for Bungee Race/Ropers/JPRace for starters (for use of body) and in terms of mental skill, TTRR is one of the simplest, get from start to finish the fastest.

Forward thinking/Planning: These are more or less the same thing in TTRR as Ropers, thinking ahead to oncoming moves you must use to get the crate and attack, and same with in TTRR how to get round the course fastest, although even with this, it doesn't take alot seeing as TTRR's use a certain amount of "moves" to achieve the best speed round corners/climbs/etc, Elite/T17 definately take ALOT more of this than TTRR by a longshot.

Reaction speed: Again, it takes an equal amount like Ropers, if you fall, you must react faster to get going again, along with your hand reactions for using the keys.

As for "It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.", sorry but that's just a bunch of crap put together to look smart, I definately think I need to concentrate more playing BnG especially when losing because every shot counts, and as far as composure is concerned, everyone sits and has to be comfy for any scheme.

As for beers stupid comment, who is spamming? You are the one only posting "blah blah blah, f@#! f@#! f@#!" and saying NOTHING about this topic at all, either shutup or get involved, spammer lol.

Oh and this is advice for everyone: Don't leave bOr or beer will hate you forever.

It is a psychological test though, every ttrrer knows that.

Holding your composure to beat a nice time on your final worm is INDEED a psychological test. You know you're capable of doing it, but under pressure its another story. Every ttrrer will tell you the same.

Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PM
...especially when losing because every shot counts...

Wow, you must be an awesome RRer if you can screw up and still make a winning time against anyone when your current time isn't fast enough!

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 11:44 PM
Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

That's just lies, a last turn lasts what? 30-50 seconds? losing a BnG with like 10hp left against 100hp can last 5-10 minutes of nerveracking attempts at making a comeback and winning, which has happened alot to me.

D1 I was talking about BnG there.

I know. You said that matters only in BnG, so I responded in kind :)

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:53 PM

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 11:44 PM
Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

That's just lies, a last turn lasts what? 30-50 seconds? losing a BnG with like 10hp left against 100hp can last 5-10 minutes of nerveracking attempts at making a comeback and winning, which has happened alot to me.

D1 I was talking about BnG there.

Yes exactly komo. A turn in TTRR can range from 30 to 80 (or more) seconds of CONTINUAL focus and physical skill. No other scheme requires this. In bng the only physical skill required will last for no more than ONE second. Sure the games will go on for longer than ttrr, but in terms of continual skill over an UNBROKEN period of time, no other scheme rivals ttrr.

This is obvious...

What about BigRR? What about BTS? Lol just messing with ya.

You are right there, with an unbroken period of time, I can't argue with that, but still BnG's (because I care more) are much more nerveracking for me and for longer and can mess with you more than TTRR can, but that just comes down to the schemes you are passionate about, the more you don't want to lose, the more nervous you will get, the more tense it can be, and the more you want to get a record time, or a perfect shot, the same thing applies, taking into consideration you are right about this one point with "unbroken turns" that still doesn't make TTRR the top skill scheme or more League worthy than for example Hysteria, which I would choose before TTRR, I ain't saying TTRR doesn't deserve a League, like I said I want it to be the next TRL scheme.

I personally don't want 5 Leagues, am I not allowed to feel that way or something?

But seriously lol, I just done TTRR cup with Sniper, the last turn was intense, I knew I couldn't go as fast as I want because this trial version of Intes Keychanger doesn't work right, it keeps failing when I use space, that last turn I could have beat his time if I got that last climb right but still, at least it wasn't 2-0 lol.

i vote for an individual league for all schemes, not sure how it would look or how you would put it together but makes a lot of sense to me

Quote from: oldsock on March 19, 2011, 12:09 AM
i vote for an individual league for all schemes, not sure how it would look or how you would put it together but makes a lot of sense to me

I agree in a sense, but like not 10 Leagues lol, I would like TRL should swap schemes EVERY Season, next TTRR, next Hysteria, next WxW, next BnG, next Shoppa, next T17 etc...

I can't believe I'm rising to the bait but here goes.....

:<

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMTiming:
Sure this requires alot of timing for pressing the space and arrows at the right times, but it's equal to Ropers.

Roping at fast speeds makes the timing much more critical.  The faster you rope, the harder the timing becomes.  

Because TTRR requires roping as fast as possible through a maze I would argue timing to be more an issue than during a roper game.

Also, TTRR often requires 30+ seconds of consistently executed rope moves all done at high speed.  The combination of all these tricks and the timing required puts it at a higher skill level than roper.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMPrecision:
Every scheme requires this.

No shit sherlock.  But roping in smaller spaces requires greater precision.

Example - If you try and do a REALLY fast swoosh.  How many 'frames' do you have as your window of opportunity to hit space and go down the tunnel centrally?  Maybe 2? Or 1?

So your precision needs to be 1/50th of a second to get that trick nailed.

In TTRR you need to be nailing multiple tricks with small 'windows' in order to succeed.  This is what it's all about.  Which is why it takes so much practice.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMDexterity:
Same goes for Bungee Race/Ropers/JPRace for starters (for use of body) and in terms of mental skill, TTRR is one of the simplest, get from start to finish the fastest.

To break the fast TTRR records you need to be skating round those arrow keys, shifting diagonals, tapping space f@#!ing fast.  It's probably the most demanding on your hands.

Again, I'm not saying that other schemes require no dexterity.  I'm saying that TTRR requires the most dexterity.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMForward thinking/Planning:
These are more or less the same thing in TTRR as Ropers, thinking ahead to oncoming moves you must use to get the crate and attack, and same with in TTRR how to get round the course fastest, although even with this, it doesn't take alot seeing as TTRR's use a certain amount of "moves" to achieve the best speed round corners/climbs/etc, Elite/T17 definately take ALOT more of this than TTRR by a longshot.

When playing a TTRR, the planning and forward thinking is done 'on the fly'.  If a move doesn't happen then you're ready for plan B and possibly plan C.  If you are skillful enough you can get through without losing much time even with loads of mistakes.

I agree that other schemes require more forward thinking and planning.  It is more a characteristic of a strategy game but my point was that being able to plan for any eventuality in a split second is another aspect of rope racing skill.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMReaction speed:
Again, it takes an equal amount like Ropers, if you fall, you must react faster to get going again, along with your hand reactions for using the keys.

When you're rope racing, you need to be constantly looking at the worm which is in a small enclosed space.  Any deviation from the desired path and you need to correct it.  This is tough going and the reaction speed is so important.  I would love to have greater reaction speed.  I could then throw myself down a corridor as fast as I could but always be able to correct any problems should they occur.  Reaction speed is the essence of TTRR.  Reacting to what you see on the screen, where your worm is, how fast it's travelling, momentum, rope angle etc.  Reacting to these constantly changing variables is what TTRR is all about.

Roper is too but again, TTRR is all about speed and in smaller places.  Reaction speed is a LOT more than just reacting when you fall off the rope.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:28 PMAs for "It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.", sorry but that's just a bunch of crap put together to look smart, I definately think I need to concentrate more playing BnG especially when losing because every shot counts, and as far as composure is concerned, everyone sits and has to be comfy for any scheme.

I recently posted about this in a recent TTRR challenge.  It's far from a bunch of crap Komo and perhaps you have never been in that kind of gaming 'zone' before.  It's a great place to be and great things can be acheived.  The mix of adrelanine, sweat and tears that happens during hardcore TTRR.  You're missing out man :<

Dulek even mentioned about the fact that he can't blink during his runs.  So as well as the psychological pressure, he has dry eyes.  

Awesome stuff.

I think we can all agree that sheepraces are hardest.

Now how about discussing the possible TTRR league rather than whose scheme is the more demanding/fun/has the biggest dick/whatever?
Komo, I hand you a challenge: go in 5 debates without mentioning BnG.

Quote from: franz on March 18, 2011, 07:16 PM

Quote from: DarkOne on March 18, 2011, 10:58 AM
Personally, I found it weird that we can play elite for both the classic league and TEL :) Only thing that's added is playoffs for TEL in addition to the classic league. The system works exactly the same and the schemes are exactly the same.

So why not just have 2 playoffs for classic league? An overall playoff and a specialist playoff? The specialist playoffs pick one of the scheme ratings and uses the same criteria. The specialist playoff should be a new scheme each season so it's still interesting.

This is actually making a lot more sense now.

You can also simplify a lot of reporting problems by just making everything report into the classic league. The only real differences for TEL right now is that it has its own standings/playoffs/overall ranking. If everything just reports into the classic league (MI confirm if this is possible), everything is ok as long as you still have separate Elite standings you can view -> which also has it's own separate playoff seeds/minimum requirements. The only outstanding issue would be how to handle the currently two separate overall ratings (classic and TEL).

Naturally, this concept could also expand to other schemes that gain enough support. So there could be separate Roper standings with its own playoff seeds/minimum requirements. And now for TTRR, there would be separate standings and its own playoff seeds/requirements.

Depending on popularity, these separate standings/playoffs could be removed, or just go dormant. In the end though, all is reported into classic league, so that instead of duplicate schemes getting split up reports with separate leagues... the classic league could truly show all games being played, and hopefully show the true allrounder.


edit: also, this could potentially increase the chances of finding those specialized games in ag -> "TTRR tus anyone?" will probably get more people to accept because those games will count toward those specialized standings along with the classic standings.

I dont like this idea.

The reason I dont pick ttrr as much as id like to for the classic league is becuase I dont get many points for it. I try to pick the scheme I get the most points for when I play the classic league.

People dont wanna mess with their classic league rank, if we did it this way it would also mean that people who only want to play ttrr or elite would have to reach the minimum games limit in order to make the playoffs.

If good players who dont want to take part in the classic league (like cue) were to ask for "TUS ttrr anyone", or spw "tus elite anyone", people would be less inclined to play them considering they dont want to risk their overall rank in that scheme.

If there was a seperate league with seperate rankings, people would be far more likely to play, knowing that those games will not infringe on their overall statistics.

The solution is simple to me, make another league for ttrr... what harm could it possibly do?

We've already confirmed that it wont affect classic league activity in any way, and there are a large number of players who want to have a ttrr league. Again, what harm could it possibly do!?

If it does indeed turn out to not be active, then we can just remove it... you cant lose! Make a ttrr league, there hasnt been one for ages and so many people want one so badly!

Quote from: Komito on March 19, 2011, 12:10 AM

Quote from: oldsock on March 19, 2011, 12:09 AM
i vote for an individual league for all schemes, not sure how it would look or how you would put it together but makes a lot of sense to me

I agree in a sense, but like not 10 Leagues lol, I would like TRL should swap schemes EVERY Season, next TTRR, next Hysteria, next WxW, next BnG, next Shoppa, next T17 etc...

ooo, i like this idea too.

I'm too lazy to make quotes atm so i'll just answer your points point by point Cue.

I still stick to my opinion Cue, you can lose a Roper because of one failed move which you timed wrong which made you fall, miss your hide, miss a crate and give the opponent too big an advantage, which is bad enough considering you need to do your best every turn just incase you get that impossible crate.

Roping in smaller spaces does not require greater precision, for starters I think BnG requires more precision than any scheme, considering you have to hit the opponent with a weapon, especially the way I play BnG at the skill level I am used to, and how many League games do you see people doing the fastest possible moves? More or less none because it's too risky, if you are trying to win TTRR's for a League or a Cup you will play as safe as possible with going as fast as possible which totally blows your point out the window.

Edit: I'd just like to point out here, we can both argue against both TTRR and BnG here, you could say, well it's your fault for wanting to use tricky and hard shots for BnG, and I could say, well it's your fault for wanting to TTRR on tighter maps, we both want the best out of the scheme, so i'll agree with 50/50 here.

This is no different from Ropers, you are "skating round those arrow keys" just as much with Ropers and WxW, especially with some maps people use, so again I don't agree it requires most dexterity.

And split second thinking/planning is an aspect of Ropers/WxW also.

I have to use BnG for a good point here, I need EXCEPTIONAL timing and reaction speed for getting the right "pwoer" in BnG's alot of shots only work with "1" level of pwoer, and i've had so many games where i've had to nail that 1st time, or risk losing the game next turn because my hide is easy to hit, which also makes me nervous which messes with your reaction speed because it's a mental challenge as well, you are talking about correcting any problems should they occur, at least you can still win correcting a few bad reactions in a TTRR under pressure, I have 1 chance, 1 turn to get that perfect pwoer and if I miss it theres no second chance should my opponent hit me the next turn, and this happens alot when the opponent is hiding evil or in a very very very tight hide and theres only 1 angle/level of pwoer that will get in.

Most BnG's I am sweating like hell because I am so into the game, especially on Thursdays with the BnG Tournament I get so into it I concentrate so much I get myself into this position on my chair, I actually have to take my top off and sit in my boxers because I get that hot and intense(I know this sounds weird lol).

This has nothing to do with because of the scheme, this is because you are passionate about TTRR and same with me and BnG, i've played BF2 online for years and that's intense as hell too, maybe even more so than the whole of WA imo, but it's totally different, I played Quake3 online for about a year, I even played some with GreeN, that shit is VERY intense, i've played golf online, WoW online, i've even played Genesis emulator online and that was intense lol, trust me, I know the feeling and glad we share the same passion, even if it's with different games and schemes ;)

I can't accept that challenge D1, BnG is a HUGE part of my life, and helps to make points alot, NEVER !!! xD

Quote from: Komito on March 19, 2011, 12:38 AMI have to use BnG for a good point here, I need EXCEPTIONAL timing and reaction speed for getting the right "pwoer" in BnG's alot of shots only work with "1" level of pwoer, and i've had so many games where i've had to nail that 1st time, or risk losing the game next turn because my hide is easy to hit, which also makes me nervous which messes with your reaction speed because it's a mental challenge as well, you are talking about correcting any problems should they occur, at least you can still win correcting a few bad reactions in a TTRR under pressure, I have 1 chance, 1 turn to get that perfect pwoer and if I miss it theres no second chance should my opponent hit me the next turn, and this happens alot when the opponent is hiding evil or in a very very very tight hide and theres only 1 angle/level of pwoer that will get in.

You can't compare crucial moment of BnG to whole TTRR run. If we want to make it equal, then TTRR run is in its crucial moment as well, ok? By following this thinking, it's clear that when you're approaching the finish in TTRR any mistake will be fatal in consequences just like in BnG and probably any other game.

I uphold Nail's argumentation - so far 2 seperate leagues didn't affect activity on the Classic League and I think we can move on. You can always close TTRR League if it turn out to be a failure. The poll is on our side, weak but still. ;)

Quote from: Dulek on March 19, 2011, 02:53 PM
You can't compare crucial moment of BnG to whole TTRR run. If we want to make it equal, then TTRR run is in its crucial moment as well, ok? By following this thinking, it's clear that when you're approaching the finish in TTRR any mistake will be fatal in consequences just like in BnG and probably any other game.

Well that is your opinion, and I disagree but it's cool, can't help having different opinions.

Quote from: Dulek on March 19, 2011, 02:53 PMI uphold Nail's argumentation - so far 2 seperate leagues didn't affect activity on the Classic League and I think we can move on. You can always close TTRR League if it turn out to be a failure. The poll is on our side, weak but still. ;)

Yeah so far 2 Leagues have done well, but just remember even the worlds smartest, most intelligent and successful people can assume things wrong ;) but at least with all these new Leagues if one fails we can get rid of it.

Quote from: NAiL on March 19, 2011, 12:19 AM
I dont like this idea.

The reason I dont pick ttrr as much as id like to for the classic league is becuase I dont get many points for it. I try to pick the scheme I get the most points for when I play the classic league.

People dont wanna mess with their classic league rank, if we did it this way it would also mean that people who only want to play ttrr or elite would have to reach the minimum games limit in order to make the playoffs.

If good players who dont want to take part in the classic league (like cue) were to ask for "TUS ttrr anyone", or spw "tus elite anyone", people would be less inclined to play them considering they dont want to risk their overall rank in that scheme.

If there was a seperate league with seperate rankings, people would be far more likely to play, knowing that those games will not infringe on their overall statistics.

The solution is simple to me, make another league for ttrr... what harm could it possibly do?

We've already confirmed that it wont affect classic league activity in any way, and there are a large number of players who want to have a ttrr league. Again, what harm could it possibly do!?

If it does indeed turn out to not be active, then we can just remove it... you cant lose! Make a ttrr league, there hasnt been one for ages and so many people want one so badly!

You're still thinking in the old system.. now in the new system, there is no point in "risking overall ranking."  It's only the seasonal rank that really matters. Overall is there only to be a guide, and to help distribute points. It doesn't directly affect one's seasonal performance.

Quote from: Komito on March 19, 2011, 08:10 PM

Quote from: Dulek on March 19, 2011, 02:53 PM
You can't compare crucial moment of BnG to whole TTRR run. If we want to make it equal, then TTRR run is in its crucial moment as well, ok? By following this thinking, it's clear that when you're approaching the finish in TTRR any mistake will be fatal in consequences just like in BnG and probably any other game.

Well that is your opinion, and I disagree but it's cool, can't help having different opinions.

If you want to compare situations from different schemes, at least put some effort to play them in similar conditions. You said that when you're playing BnG and you're under pressure you risk losing the game due to miss and that is correct. You either hit and win or miss and lose. Then you say that any mistake in TTRR is correctable. What if I'm about to finish my run and I badly calculated a swoosh and I lost some time due to hitting the wall? I obviously won't have any chances to fix this time loss since I have only 1/10 of the map left. Think about it.

Quote from: Komito on March 19, 2011, 08:10 PMYeah so far 2 Leagues have done well, but just remember even the worlds smartest, most intelligent and successful people can assume things wrong ;) but at least with all these new Leagues if one fails we can get rid of it.

Eh? I just said that and you repeated my words, well done.

Quote from: franz on March 19, 2011, 09:01 PM
You're still thinking in the old system.. now in the new system, there is no point in "risking overall ranking."  It's only the seasonal rank that really matters. Overall is there only to be a guide, and to help distribute points. It doesn't directly affect one's seasonal performance.

Yes, but as you said the overall rank acts as a guide and determines how seasonal points you will gain for each match. It still effects your overall rank as well, which many people will not want to do.

There are many players who only want to play elite or ttrr, it seems far better just to have an individual league with individual rankings than to do it all through the classic league.

Quote from: NAiL on March 19, 2011, 10:10 PM
Yes, but as you said the overall rank acts as a guide and determines how seasonal points you will gain for each match. It still effects your overall rank as well, which many people will not want to do.

There are many players who only want to play elite or ttrr, it seems far better just to have an individual league with individual rankings than to do it all through the classic league.

"It still affects your overall rank as well, which many people will not want to do" -> That shouldn't be up to them. It doesn't matter what people think about their overall rank. It's not even there for their benefit or status. It's there for their opponents, to appropriately distribute points.

Sure it can be nice to view overall ratings for the people that are curious, but it shouldn't be something that's so important that it's untouchable. Letting people "not want to affect their overall ranking" and let them just sit on it seems to go against the spirit and point of the league. Why cater to those people?

Right now, we're moving toward splitting up games with every new league -> Classic/TEL/TRL/TTRRL/etc... and it just feels weird. Doesn't it feel more deserved that classic standings show the true overall ranking, that includes all classic schemes being played? Why should TEL elite games be treated differently than Classic elite games? Why should the exact same schemes be allowed to get reported in separate leagues?

I can see two sides of this working.. either keep creating separate leagues completely for ALL the classic schemes (Elite,Roper,TTRR,Hysteria,BnG,Team17,Shopper,WxW) and THEN somehow create the overall classic standings again by combining all of these results. Or bring everything back into the classic league and THEN extract the standings for each scheme that has deserved playoffs. The end result is very similar in both cases, mainly exact same schemes don't get repeated in separate leagues.

M8 I respect ya, and I hear ya!

I didnt mean it like that either, I meant people just dont wanna risk overall points and classic league standings only playing a certain scheme. It would be more encouraging for many players if there was an individual league in which to play ttrr or elite or roper.

We arent at that stage yet though, right now we're talking about a league for ttrr, not every scheme!

We dont have sites like wel anymore, so its cool having an elite league here on tus. Note that a large number of players playing in the TEL dont play in the classic league, imo its much better keeping it separate.

Same would go if we had a ttrr league, there would be a large number of players only playing in the ttrr league and not in the classic league!

Separate league all the way!

Quote from: Dulek on March 19, 2011, 10:03 PMWhat if I'm about to finish my run and I badly calculated a swoosh and I lost some time due to hitting the wall? I obviously won't have any chances to fix this time loss since I have only 1/10 of the map left. Think about it.

Well, that's entirely your fault then and has nothing to do with anything, so tough luck, just because you can't understand what goes through my head when I BnG and I dunno what goes through yours when you TTRR doesn't automatically mean you and Cue and the TTRR community is more important or more League worthy or more "intense".

Quote from: Komito on March 19, 2011, 08:10 PMYeah so far 2 Leagues have done well, but just remember even the worlds smartest, most intelligent and successful people can assume things wrong ;) but at least with all these new Leagues if one fails we can get rid of it.

Quote from: Dulek on March 19, 2011, 10:03 PMEh? I just said that and you repeated my words, well done.

No you never.

I'm extremely motivated by this poll.

62 people would welcome the creation of a TTRR league.

Awesome! :D

And I voted it to be next scheme in TRL xD

Quote from: NAiL on March 20, 2011, 03:41 AM
I meant people just dont wanna risk overall points and classic league standings only playing a certain scheme. It would be more encouraging for many players if there was an individual league in which to play ttrr or elite or roper.

Classic league standings are determined by their seasonal points now, not their overall rating. It doesn't matter if your overall rating is 3000 or 800 anymore, whether you are eligible for playoffs or not.

Overall standings are there for one thing only now: displaying someone's strength in that scheme. And secondary to that, you can calculate how many points one earns/loses for his seasonal standings whenever you beat/lose to someone.

Komo, if you can't make your point without using BnG, then your point is probably not worth making. BnG and RR are completely different thing, it's like making a point about anti-semitism by using an example of a chinese kid bullying a black kid.

Yeah yeah D1 w/e lol, that's your opinion, of course I can :P

I think it's an opinion that is shared by many ;) Why won't you take up my challenge then?

It's still just an opinion :P

I'd never successfully pass your challenge and you know it xD

Note: I don't want to insult anyone here nor do I want to continue this off-topic. (In my opinion it's not that off-topic, but yeah)

I just want to point out some things.

First of all: In essence they are totally different, but also totally the same!


Here's why.

In TTRR you only have 3 chances to win the game, in BnG you have INFINITE chances to win the game.
To compare TTRR and BnG you either would need to have only 3 turns in BnG or set the amount of HP to 50 or at least make 16 tries on a TTRR game (both teams use 2 Teams of 8 worms for example). TTRR is a contest, you have 3 turns, make the best of it, BnG is a lot more tactics (in TuS, a2b is a different story since there are no normal conditions applied), taking advantage of the terrain (lower angle shots for less f@#! ups while still avoiding sitters).
And in terms of cheap play, there is also an actual 'lame' strategy to win TTRR/RR games, it's called pole extensions to move up all walls, most short horizontal parts it's comparable to those low angle shots that bounce a bit before exploding NEAR your enemy, sure you won't get 40+ hits all the time, but you will hit more often, just like you will get to finish most of the time with pole/rope extensions roping in TTRR. The skilled player can move faster but can also f@#! up more often. Mablak CAN lose vs. a worse TTRR player if Mablak goes for the best roping he has, Komodo CAN lose vs. a worse BnG player (in TuS League) if Komodo goes for his best shots while the other player goes for the 'lame' (I would call them safe) shots.

So in my opinion both schemes are skillful and both have it's value, and yeah both even have cheap play available.

Why do you wonder TTRR challenges have better times than actually live games on W:A Tus? Why are there almost always never best times uploaded from replays other than offline? People rope better when they have infinite tries, it's just the difference that in BnG you either have so called good shots (LG, Zook, Bank shots) or so called lame shots (low angle with bounce to enemy) In RR you can chose if you want to play safe or fast and more risky without risking your good name. Both LOOK equally nice, but in essence it's the same.

Just the community made up big walls for BnG about nice/cheap play while in RR noone complains to Mablak if he wins a map with 45 seconds instead of 39 what he usually can. But everyone would complain to Komodo if he chooses to play safe.

That's my view.

Edit: And one more thing that I forgot to add:

What would you say if you win a BnG match because of one awesome shot? And after that you never hit again. It would suck!
What would you say if you win a TTRR game with 3 not so good turns while your opponent made the map's fastest time at that given time? It would suck!

Their mechanic is different. TTRR is just about one turn, BnG is still losable even after 2-3 awesome turns. If you do an awesome turn in TTRR you are safe while you are not in BnG.

So if you want to compare them take into consideration that 1 turn can make you win RR while BnG takes 10-12 good turns and the opponent has an option to interrupt your awesome shots with moving your worm. In TTRR your opponent has no direct impact on you, just that if you know your opponent has xy time you have to move faster than that. It's a mental thing. :)

Quote from: DeathInFire on March 21, 2011, 02:32 PM

And in terms of cheap play, there is also an actual 'lame' strategy to win TTRR/RR games, it's called pole extensions to move up all walls, most short horizontal parts

That's my view.

This has to be a level. No one could actually believe this lol

Quote from: chakkman on March 21, 2011, 05:39 PM
Well if komo could keep his big mouth out of every thread he comes along once then you wouldn't have to compare ttrr with bng now (ugh).

:o

Quote from: ThaShady1 on March 21, 2011, 03:12 PM

Quote from: DeathInFire on March 21, 2011, 02:32 PM

And in terms of cheap play, there is also an actual 'lame' strategy to win TTRR/RR games, it's called pole extensions to move up all walls, most short horizontal parts

That's my view.

This has to be a level. No one could actually believe this lol

reading his whole text, it makes sense if you just understand that he's trying to compare all aspects of bng with TTRR.. so naturally he chose the "safe extending" in racing to compare to the "safe bouncers" in bng. they're considered "cheap" in bng due to silly honor codes created in past years, but no such code was created for TTRR probably because it doesn't make as much sense. I don't think Anubis really thinks it's lame to extend.. or if I'm wrong, he can say so.

Quote from: franz on March 21, 2011, 05:49 PM

Quote from: ThaShady1 on March 21, 2011, 03:12 PM

Quote from: DeathInFire on March 21, 2011, 02:32 PM

And in terms of cheap play, there is also an actual 'lame' strategy to win TTRR/RR games, it's called pole extensions to move up all walls, most short horizontal parts

That's my view.

This has to be a level. No one could actually believe this lol

reading his whole text, it makes sense if you just understand that he's trying to compare all aspects of bng with TTRR.. so naturally he chose the "safe extending" in racing to compare to the "safe bouncers" in bng. they're considered "cheap" in bng due to silly honor codes created in past years, but no such code was created for TTRR probably because it doesn't make as much sense. I don't think Anubis really thinks it's lame to extend.. or if I'm wrong, he can say so.

Thanks for clearing out the point, that's what I tried to say with the safe/lame example of both schemes. :)

lmfao, nice post chakkman, but why did u edit it? lol... gj quoting it johny! its funny...

its funny how this thread has turned into a debate about ttrr and bng similarities and differences, thanks komito! lol

Quote from: ThaShady1 on March 21, 2011, 05:44 PM

Quote from: chakkman on March 21, 2011, 05:39 PM
Well if komo could keep his big mouth out of every thread he comes along once then you wouldn't have to compare ttrr with bng now (ugh).

:o

Quote from: DeathInFire on March 21, 2011, 02:32 PM
In TTRR you only have 3 chances to win the game, in BnG you have INFINITE chances to win the game.

Lol @ "infinite" chances to win the game,obviously every BnG that's started has finished so, umm, fail lol.

Apart from that, I can relate to alot of that and completly understand your points, nice one :)

@ franz : "silly honor codes" lol, why is it silly? BnG fans have had to fight long and hard to get it to where it is now, we're proud of that, like yourself fighting for changes in other schemes or point systems, I don't care how my points are calculated as long as I get them lol but I applauded your efforts along with HHC and others.

ok we get it komo.. you love bng, others lover bng... all the love for bng combined in to one barrel would be a rediculous amount of love.. we understand :p   lets open up another tipic about this plz

The moment needs to be right !

Of course I voted for a ttrr league.

I think the question is not whas is the most played to decide wich league we must add, but wich scheme need the most a special league.


For now there is tel for elite that was made.
A2B for bng, even if it's not a tus league, people needed to do a special bng league.

Why ttrr must have a league too. It's a pure skill league, like bng and elite, no luck...
Playing ttrr is something different than playing something else. Most allrounder aren't so good for ttrr even if they pown in every other scheme, cause the ttrr skills is particulary hard to reach, you wont reach it by just playing sometimes ttrr. You have to learn the move, how to use them in the maps, how to adjust your timing...

I think that if we ask who are the best players, everybody will think first, who is the best rope racer and who is the best eliter.

Another reason is that ttrr is not very adapted for tus classic league. The roper who don't play ttrr wont choose it. The non roper wormer wont choose it neither. And the rope racer choose it cause they like it, but it's a very bad deal for the points, cause they can loose so much points.


I don't play tus cause I just wanna play ttrr. And that's also the reason why I'm not very active this time, cause I'm a little bit pissed to never play ttrr in league. When I play it at cup I suck cause of pressure cause I'm not used to play it in league. For a newcomer like me, to learn to play good ttrr in cup would take very much time, cause I wont get so much experience by playing tus classic.


So please add a only ttrr league.

Keep the topic clean.
Deleted the inappropriate lines.

There is a growing number of people dedicated to ttrr and a league would get them out of hiding.

Someone earlier mentioned that ttrr players have a weekly challenge so that is fine for them.  The big problem with this is that most players don't want to play 1 map against everyone in the community.  They want to play ttrr seriously but in competition with a whole range of people at different skill levels.

The feedback is that they don't want to post their times when they know that Mablak can take 5 seconds off their time with his eyes closed.

This system actually discourages ttrr players whereas a new league will encourage them.

You give people a kickass league for the most kickass scheme in wormnet then good things will happen.

:<

Quote from: Cueshark on March 23, 2011, 12:05 AM
There is a growing number of people dedicated to ttrr and a league would get them out of hiding.

Someone earlier mentioned that ttrr players have a weekly challenge so that is fine for them.  The big problem with this is that most players don't want to play 1 map against everyone in the community.  They want to play ttrr seriously but in competition with a whole range of people at different skill levels.

The feedback is that they don't want to post their times when they know that Mablak can take 5 seconds off their time with his eyes closed.

This system actually discourages ttrr players whereas a new league will encourage them.

You give people a kickass league for the most kickass scheme in wormnet then good things will happen.

:<

Be beated by better players is not really the only reason. ttrr challenge mean playing many times the same map. Sometimes it's a bit irritating...

MI, why was my lines inappropriate? I said those 2 lines in an obviously joking and calm manner (which I thought was better than taking it serious and starting a ridiculous flame war lol), people swear worse than that everyday insulting others and I don't see you deleting it... Especially the thread with that guy going mad about Playoffs and you didn't delete any "inappropriate lines" which in that case would be the whole thread lol,  I can only come to the conclusion, it's just me ;)

Anyway, Cue, I reckon the fact Mablak keeps winning would be one of the coolest things to try and beat him.

But, one thing I don't understand is when people propose new Leagues every single time they have said "it will bring people back from hiding" in TEL it hasn't except maybe JohnMcClane, and with TRL, I haven't really seen anyone comeback, I don't think anyone will come back jus cuz theres a TTRR League, Roper has been more popular than TTRR Since god knows when and only now TTRR seems more popular (if it even is), and no one came back from the grave for TRL lol.

Cue this isn't me having a go at you, i'm actually curious about this, i'd be happy to welcome players back to WA, but out of interest who you think is gonna come back?

*Edit - Actually noticed that isn't what you said but, since i've wrote this already, is there anyone you think might come back? Perhaps Ryan and LH for starters?*

Anyway, i'm up for a few TTRRL games with you and hope you fall 3 times xD

Quote from: Komito on March 23, 2011, 07:33 AM
But, one thing I don't understand is when people propose new Leagues every single time they have said "it will bring people back from hiding" in TEL it hasn't except maybe JohnMcClane, and with TRL, I haven't really seen anyone comeback, I don't think anyone will come back jus cuz theres a TTRR League, Roper has been more popular than TTRR Since god knows when and only now TTRR seems more popular (if it even is), and no one came back from the grave for TRL lol.

What points against that is that (at least as far as I know) the 2 biggest tournaments in terms of participants were both RRkit tourneys; 64 players and 66 players respectively.

Quote from: DarkOne on March 23, 2011, 11:36 AM

Quote from: Komito on March 23, 2011, 07:33 AM
But, one thing I don't understand is when people propose new Leagues every single time they have said "it will bring people back from hiding" in TEL it hasn't except maybe JohnMcClane, and with TRL, I haven't really seen anyone comeback, I don't think anyone will come back jus cuz theres a TTRR League, Roper has been more popular than TTRR Since god knows when and only now TTRR seems more popular (if it even is), and no one came back from the grave for TRL lol.

What points against that is that (at least as far as I know) the 2 biggest tournaments in terms of participants were both RRkit tourneys; 64 players and 66 players respectively.

Cool, you got any info on that?

Guess I was wrong about the amount of players; we had more :)

I hosted one of them (I think #6) and Flamie hosted another one.

I don't think the goal of a new league should be to attract old players that left the game, they left the game because they got bored of it/busy in life. No league will change that, that's a false assumption in my opinion. When we have a BnG league people like Dw33b, al2cane etc. come back? Doubt so. ;)

If it's up to me, all schemes deserve their own league so people can purely decide on their taste what they want to play, to play competitive TTRR you will have to play BnG/Elite etc. because people can/will pick it against you. So yeah, I am for a wide variety of leagues instead of this one allround league.

komo just likes to debate, about anything... dont mind him...he means well

Quote from: avirex on March 25, 2011, 07:44 PM
komo just likes to debate, about anything...

You are actually right, I do, and people around here are so close minded they can't handle that.

im not sure if its the fact that they can't handle it, or get so sick and tired of seeing it thread after thread. but more then likely they can't handle it :D

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5uWdyFCVBd2CdHVMrz8XlLxwS2G_159SyovJciqm8uXW-aw9wWg&t=1)

Quote from: Komito on March 25, 2011, 07:58 PM

Quote from: avirex on March 25, 2011, 07:44 PM
komo just likes to debate, about anything...

You are actually right, I do, and people around here are so close minded they can't handle that.

DeathinFire was responding to points that I had made not you, so Avirex had baited you without justification.

In fact, DeathinFire was actually agreeing with you Komo!!!

Then you respond to Avirex as if his post had justification and indirectly insult the person who's agreeing with you.

That to me just shows you seek argument over intelligent discourse.

hmmm... thats up for debate! hahahaha :D

Lol having a debate of debate XDDDDDddddddd

Quote from: Cueshark on March 26, 2011, 12:19 AM

Quote from: Komito on March 25, 2011, 07:58 PM

Quote from: avirex on March 25, 2011, 07:44 PM
komo just likes to debate, about anything...

You are actually right, I do, and people around here are so close minded they can't handle that.

DeathinFire was responding to points that I had made not you, so Avirex had baited you without justification.

In fact, DeathinFire was actually agreeing with you Komo!!!

Then you respond to Avirex as if his post had justification and indirectly insult the person who's agreeing with you.

That to me just shows you seek argument over intelligent discourse.

This is what I mean with close minded lol, why are you automatically assuming everything you just said?

I was responding to avirex and only avirex with absolutely nothing to do with anything else that has happened in this thread, to me his words did have justification because it's kinda true, I do like to debate about almost anything, anything that interests me, that ranges from things I like, things I don't like, people I like, people and other crap you wouldn't care about anyway, that doesn't mean I argue about everything, or disagree about everything.

That to me just shows you are another one of those who just jump to conclusions.

Ok, well I'm sorry.

Back on topic.

I really wish Karl Pilkington played WA...

Anyway I guess we'll just have to wait for the votes now Cue :)

komo is always right, once we all can accept this, tus forums will be a better place.

Quote from: avirex on March 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
komo is always right, once we all can accept this, tus forums will be a better place.

Exactly :)

I think the form of the poll isn't right.

Indeed the ttrr voter have two choices and for the anti ttrr vote there is one choice... so of course it's harder for ttrr to pass.

If you retire one of the two fist possibilities you should have more vote for the other one...


So there it's going to be play it in classic league.
If you put trl vs classic league, trl win for sure.
If you put ttrr league vs classic league I think that ttrr league will win too.

So I think that the form of the vote is bad for us, the ttrr addicts!

Dont worry aviv, MI will do the right thing!

Is there any "Mute Komo" options on TUS boards ?
I'd be able to read threads without being annoyed by all those useless very long posts....

Quote from: THeDoGG on April 02, 2011, 12:27 PM
Is there any "Mute Komo" options on TUS boards ?
I'd be able to read threads without being annoyed by all those useless very long posts....

Quote from: Komito on March 28, 2011, 07:17 AM

Quote from: avirex on March 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
komo is always right, once we all can accept this, tus forums will be a better place.

Exactly :)

Yeah, 1 word is sooooooooooo long, how did you cope in school???

@THeDoGG,
view your profile, click on ignore pm list. Add a member there and his/her posts on the forums will be minimized.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 02, 2011, 03:29 PM
@THeDoGG,
view your profile, click on ignore pm list. Add a member there and his/her posts on the forums will be minimized.

f@#!, awesome tool MI

Hell ya! Imma doing it right now

hell yeah... KFTM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     new internet slang!!

"komo for the mute!"  haha

Quote from: avirex on April 04, 2011, 08:22 PM
hell yeah... KFTM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     new internet slang!!

"komo for the mute!"  haha

Your jokes are getting worse, what happened to the funny ones?

As you can see, we're having huge drop on TRL (Roper) activity this season. This is/was one of our concerns about leagues being new, then getting boring.

I am trl like hell MI, just you wasttu and stt !

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 08, 2011, 08:51 AM
As you can see, we're having huge drop on TRL (Roper) activity this season. This is/was one of our concerns about leagues being new, then getting boring.

Yep, that's why we gotta have a new scheme on rotated league now, make it TTRR. :)

I'm not trying to defend choosing roper again for TRL or not, as I didn't mind whatever you chose MI, but TRL season 2 started on Feb 3rd, just 5 days ago, and it hasn't even been the first weekend yet. Maybe Season Info predicts a lot fewer games at the current pace, but it's still early isn't it? Just my observation.