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Title: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Garf on January 26, 2014, 05:54 AM
Okay, I'm not really terribly old, but I imagine older than most here. My reflexes aren't what they were 10 years ago, and I don't think I'll ever be able to competatively rope, given what I see in league replays.

I was looking at the leagues that are played. And the problem I have with them (with partial exception of TEL) is that they're all reflex based. Especially, there's no real way to avoid heavy focus on ropes (again, except TEL) since your opponent can always pick a roper or wxw or whatnot.

Now, there is TEL, but that itself is far more focused on quick action than strategy.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the above - but I do think worms has a lot more room for strategic play that doesn't involve twitch skills with quite such a focus - is there no interest in a league focused on schemes (or perhaps a single one) where time and twitch skills aren't the most critical factor?

It could involve old Pro scheme, T17, maybe even intermediate, anchored BnG and quite a bunch of other schemes.

If there's no audience for such a community, that's fine, of course, but I do wonder if I'd be the only one interested in such a league.

Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: TheWalrus on January 26, 2014, 09:31 AM
Quote from: Garf on January 26, 2014, 05:54 AM
Okay, I'm not really terribly old, but I imagine older than most here. My reflexes aren't what they were 10 years ago, and I don't think I'll ever be able to competatively rope, given what I see in league replays.

I was looking at the leagues that are played. And the problem I have with them (with partial exception of TEL) is that they're all reflex based. Especially, there's no real way to avoid heavy focus on ropes (again, except TEL) since your opponent can always pick a roper or wxw or whatnot.

Now, there is TEL, but that itself is far more focused on quick action than strategy.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the above - but I do think worms has a lot more room for strategic play that doesn't involve twitch skills with quite such a focus - is there no interest in a league focused on schemes (or perhaps a single one) where time and twitch skills aren't the most critical factor?

It could involve old Pro scheme, T17, maybe even intermediate, anchored BnG and quite a bunch of other schemes.

If there's no audience for such a community, that's fine, of course, but I do wonder if I'd be the only one interested in such a league.
Garf, pro died a death long ago when ranks came down.  Truth be told, it wasn't that great of a scheme anyways.  From what you describe I would say you should look into intermediate.  The NNN really love this shit, they even put on a big tourney every year:

http://www.cwtsite.com/archive/2013

You can download some game replays off that page to see what the gameplay is like at the very highest level.  Intermediate isn't really for mid level players, its just as highly evolved as elite in terms of overall strategy.  Lots of room to grow for the non high twitch players.  Good luck finding a scheme to play, Garf, I hope you stick around.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: HHC on January 26, 2014, 10:59 AM
How old are you then?  :o

Even with fairly slow roping you can still do shopper though. 30 sec to go from one side of the map to the other there, should be possible.

Other than that, intermediate has a big scene with CWT as Wally mentioned and ONL being run throughout the year. There's TEL, TRL (team17 next season ;)) & lots of cups in the schemes you mentioned. No need to get bored  ;)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: SPW on January 26, 2014, 11:02 AM
Nice post garf, we had a lot of talks about that in the past. Its a big reason why the worms community splitted in several communities. TUS is the place where people meet eachother, to talk or just to hang on.

And there are a lot people outside exactly like you. I do prefer tactical schemes too and I am to old to learn rope on a competent level. But its more than that. I woudlnt like it too if younger. Its just not my thing.

Think this is the main reason why there is ONL and EAC etc. Those schemes are king schemes, more classic than most of the rest. But unfortunnaly it didnt get enough credits to stay at TUS like classic league.

My idea for you, play TEL until you're ready to make the next step to Intermediate. Elite is like the smaller version of it. At Intermediate you have more rounds, more worms, more weaps, more utilities etc. So more variance in the game and a lot of different ways to attack and win the game.

So, you are not alone by not liking rope schemes. Coulda count more than 50 players within 10 minutes.  ;D

Have fun  :)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Anubis on January 26, 2014, 02:29 PM
I wonder, who's the grandpa of TUS? HHC, SPW, Garf?  8)

I am 28 for the record, old but certainly not oldest.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: SPW on January 26, 2014, 04:24 PM
Not sure, but guess chakkman and me are oldest.  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: philie on January 26, 2014, 07:02 PM
Quote from: Anubis on January 26, 2014, 02:29 PM
I wonder, who's the grandpa of TUS? HHC, SPW, Garf?  8)

im 1 day older than hhc  :P
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: TheWalrus on January 26, 2014, 07:41 PM
Quote from: Anubis on January 26, 2014, 02:29 PM
I wonder, who's the grandpa of TUS? HHC, SPW, Garf?  8)

I am 28 for the record, old but certainly not oldest.
I am 29, I know skunk3 is like 33 or 34, but theres gotta be older oldschoolers around.  I remember a few of the GIT guys were in their late 30's/early 40's, and that was 10 years ago.  Some of them were hopping on when I was active a few years ago from time to time.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Chelsea on January 26, 2014, 07:43 PM
NNN`Bytor and PoD`Zolo-du are really old :D Butor is more than 50 and zolo is allnost 50 xd
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Prankster on January 26, 2014, 09:32 PM
wormf00d is 69!
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Crazy on January 26, 2014, 09:42 PM
GIT-guys still play but only in password-protected games.. They like to play with themselves :P I still see RobDaZombie now and then, not sure how old he is but I think Sico must be in his 50's now, I remember he was in his 40's when I played with him years ago
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: SPW on January 26, 2014, 09:51 PM
After last few posts I feel myself much younger. I'm 39.  ;D
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: AKT on January 26, 2014, 10:25 PM
"opponent can always pick a roper or wxw "
i agree this issue; thats why i stay away league long time.
i dont wanna play competetive hysteria, roper, big roperace ever.

For example Tel is a good league.
my favorite scheme not elite but my favorite league in tus TEL

i wish every populer scheme has a league.
i very interseted to play mole league, inter league, plop league or something..

best wishes for every1
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Xrayez on January 26, 2014, 10:48 PM
Yeah AKT, I'm happy with HAL for instance :) (mods, start season #4 plz  :'()
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Husk on January 26, 2014, 11:33 PM
akt have u gave free league a try? not many people pick bigrr there, so it's quite rope free league aswell.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Tomi on January 27, 2014, 09:49 AM
Well in my opinion trl could be started with not only 1 scheme but a scheme group from free league. Like: holy war, plop war, parachute race. Or any variets of 3 or 4 not so popular, but fast learnable schemes.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Triad on January 27, 2014, 02:58 PM
Hey AKT hocam.

Only rope scheme in tfl is big rr yeah. So playing tfl shouldnt be a problem. After some time your big rr points will be lower and losing in big rr wont cost you so much points. But if you really dont wanna play big rr, you can ask tfl in #AG like "tfl (no big rr) anyone?"
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Peja on January 27, 2014, 03:06 PM
in which way is tus league system rope based? we have Tel open all the time since well ... and also HAL as a default league. TRL gets deafult every now and then as well. lol tus actually favors defaults more than roping.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: ANO on January 27, 2014, 03:12 PM
I am 30, still all the hair and f@#!ing black.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: SPW on January 27, 2014, 05:09 PM
ofc tus is not roping only, but the absolute king league is classic, which 4 rope schemes, so thats 50%. And if someone doesnt like roping, he has to play those 50% often than others cause of obvious picks by opponent. And thats the main problem. A lot of people wish to play a variance of more schemes on highest level but they dont want to rope and even to learn it.

And really good allrounders you can count within 30 seconds. But 90% of those champs arent active anymore and we should learn to hear to "noob defaulter" because they are the future of worms!

What I mean is, we could close trl, hal and tel and just do a new way with default and roping leagues only, including singles and clanners and a big season trophy for playoff winners.

The solo king can try to win both leagues and the uber clan to win both playoffs. But well, maybe tus / worms has to die before people realise its 5 minutes before 12.

I wouldnt support tel if theres a default league. I would put my money there and would say to everyone, just learn t17, bng and intermediate and win it! Yep, there is no hysteria in my default group, but why not 5 default schemes?

Default: Elite, Intermediate, BnG, T17, Hysteria.
Roping: TTRR, Roper, WxW, Shopper, (Wascar, BigRR, Proper whatever).

Chance for having SPW in current classic system: 0.1%
Chance having me in a default system: 50%.

And I am not the only one thinking like that, for sure.  :)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: AKT on January 27, 2014, 05:12 PM
Yeah TFL is cool. i play that. But it is not only problem "ropegames"
"me choose and you choose" an issue for me too because time.

For example i can play a TEL game 15-20 minute and its finish (generally less, because i am not too good in elite  ;D)
But if i choose inter, and oponent choose a his scheme it can be too long. Sometimes my oponent want continue other day. Because sometimes match too long, and my oponent need gtg.

i know choosing system has a advantage, it force playing more kind of schme and you became more all around player.
But i dont wanna good in all schemes, i want to competetive games with fun.
And i tried all league schemes. Some of them not funny for me, i dont wanna play ever.

So TEL is also good league ; because you can play just 1 game or 2-3-4-5.. game with your oponent, too flexible.

i know big changing is hard but, i really think all populer schemes has a own league can be good.
for example; i love to play "just 1 mole game with tus" and leave


Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: AKT on January 27, 2014, 05:21 PM
SPW:

i don't wanna play BnG, Hysteria, WxW, BigRR
Because i dont have fun.

Bng is too much blurry rules for me i cant fun.
Hysteria makes me zero fun, 1-2 times i won and i still dont get fun either.
WxW, Big RR i dont have fun to too many.

This is not a workplace, i dont wanna do thing with no fun.
i just wanna play fun for me games.

But maybe its just me and few people, i dont know
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: HHC on January 27, 2014, 05:44 PM
Quote from: SPW on January 27, 2014, 05:09 PM
Default: Elite, Intermediate, BnG, T17, Hysteria.
Roping: TTRR, Roper, WxW, Shopper, (Wascar, BigRR, Proper whatever).

I think classic suits most people's needs as it is. It doesn't really need to be killed. Not many people are super at ALL schemes in it, but many are skilled in at least 5 or 6 out of 8.

There's 4 problems with your suggestion I can see from first point of view:
1) It totally eliminates all-round. I'm pretty sure a whole lot of players on worms kinda fancy the mix between rope and default. And besides, being all-round is still something we all strife for isn't it? It should be encouraged.
2) Clanners? If some clans only default and some only rope the amount of games is gonna drop even further. I can't see any reason why clans like che would even bother to attempt the rope league.
3) Don't think people would like such a partition of schemes. I for example am really fond of roper, but really hate/suck at 90% of the other rope schemes. Instead I'd have to stick to default where i'm forced to play inter & bng, which i don't like at all  :-[
4) The rope division would be an enhanced TRL imo. I don't think it will attract too much activity. And with the huge differences in competitiveness newbies wouldn't even bother giving it a try. Would likely die pretty soon.

TUS is better the way it is IMO.

Though in my dreams it would be just 5-schemes in classic:
- Roper, perhaps with weapon crates instead to create a roper/shop hybrid.
- Elite
- Team17 with a starting missile
- 3-sec hysteria with worm changes or RnR (as a mix between current hyst & bng)
- (?) Maybe a tweeked version of TTRR that gives players a time bonus or something like that for finishing extra worms. As to make it both a competition of skill and of endurance/reliability.

Would still bias the ropers I guess, but it's down to 40% then.
It would get rid of bugged schemes (like 1sec hyst), lame schemes (like notched bng), 1-weapon schemes (like BnG and most ropes, though ttrr still in..) and replace it with schemes that are pretty basic yet versatile. It would make it a lot easier to become all-round. It's hard to keep up with 8 schemes at a PRO level. As it is, I think even Random is finding it somewhat hard to dominate all schemes alike.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Peja on January 27, 2014, 05:46 PM
Quote from: SPW on January 27, 2014, 05:09 PM

And really good allrounders you can count within 30 seconds. But 90% of those champs arent active anymore and we should learn to hear to "noob defaulter" because they are the future of worms!

16 of the top 20 players in current classic league season are able to rope fine 14 of the top 20 players in the current tel season as well. i wonder what makes you think they are a minority. its not like noob defaulters taking over tus.the only really active comepetetive guy who struggles hard in roping is chelsea and he really tried to improve it. actually his ropers really should progress during his time in aef.  but sure if you keep throwing money into default schemes you maybe will get the effect newcomer dont even bother to learn roping on even an crappy level like i do. since theres someone with an mighty bankroll who tells them its just total useless and they shouldnt bother because its way cooler not to work on yourself and just fully going into quite mechanic default schemes.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: AKT on January 27, 2014, 07:04 PM
@HHC

Forgive me it is too long writing :)

Classic doesn't need to be killed.
It can live. TEL didnt kill classic

Clan match&schemes can be limited in someways. Like you cant play TEL with one person 16 times

Why do you want to play your hate scheme :)


“being all-round should be encouraged.”
i don’t think this is not a most important thing.

People can find their ways.
My first online competetive games shoppa. Later i am kind a bored

i try mole love it.
i try 1v1 inter with a good player. I love that and in years i become ONL addict 
i try hysteria hate it
itry Holy funny, like it
i try Rowy lovve it. its my best scheme for me maybe :) but it is not tus i think


On the other hand, clasic league is not perfect solution.
Rules cannot force me to play WxW anyway. id rather dont play  league, thats it.

Also in classic;  i want/like playing only: shoppa, team 17 and elite
i am not pro in this 3 scheme but when i want tus classic with this schemes many times refused. But if were shopper only league maybe i can play a 1 shopper game with that guy.

Also choosing is generally have a problematic too:
i am good on inter  i always chose inter. But i want to play holy mole etc. But i  dont play because i dont wanna lose my select. 

Additionly, i think more people play league can be better.
Personally i play this game for 11 years (but not everyday active just holidays etc)
i heard tus a lot times but i didnt play tus 10 year because I THOUGHT system is complicated and JUST FOR PRO ALLROUNDERS 

But good example of TEL league is so simple
*1 scheme
 *play it

i like that simplicity
That can be brought more people. Sometimes in wormnet too many people but we cant find tus player.

Maybe if there was a plop league (this is kind a luck game) i can invite any1 and play.



Note: i am “newbie” on this site. And my English not good enough.
i don't know, maybe my sayings tecnicallly hard (too much user with bunch of noobs too many leagues too many replays)

And maybe i don’t know enough league rules, leagues etc. so i dont think my every sayings meaningful but
i believe some of my sayings are valuable.

hf every1
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: TheWalrus on January 27, 2014, 07:12 PM
Siign me up for the hhc league.  Actually sounds amazing.  I'd delete shopper and wxw as well.  The idea to combine hysteria and bng into a 3 sec deal sounds great.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: avirex on January 27, 2014, 08:31 PM
HHC's ideas do sound most promising...

but lets be realistic, SPW i dont care what league is offered, your not coming back, and your not participating, that was proven after each and every season you begged for TEL back, and never played..

stop saying is something is changed theres a 50% change your back... theres not...

you too walrus!! your not coming back either!!! ;p

ontopic: hhcs ideas are ok.. but i dont agree with all of his ideas..




what people need to understand is that there will never be a set that suits to everybodys needs, there will never be a combination of leagues that everyone likes.. and if we go ahead and split things up so each scheme is on a separate rating, then just like peja said... we are not longer encouraging people to be good all arounders.. and the community splits up even more...

the tighter we can keep the community, the better for the game...

SPW, sorry to say it, but you just toss out ideas that suit your needs, and try to back them up with "or the game will die" lol.. come on man.. you dont even play.. and there is no 50% your ever going to.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: darKz on January 27, 2014, 11:46 PM
Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy. :D

Spoiler! View
Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Anubis on January 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
Quote from: darKz on January 27, 2014, 11:46 PM
Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy. :D

Spoiler! View
Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)


I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

Why is TUS classic biased towards people that like roping? There are also people that like roping more than they like defaults, I see noone of them complaining. ;)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: TheWalrus on January 28, 2014, 12:54 AM
Quote from: Anubis on January 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
Quote from: darKz on January 27, 2014, 11:46 PM
Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy. :D

Spoiler! View
Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)


I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

Why is TUS classic biased towards people that like roping? There are also people that like roping more than they like defaults, I see noone of them complaining. ;)
I think its because people who play defaults exclusively also have a penchant for asshattery and whining.

EDIT: green font is sarcasm, forgot im not on the basketball forum I go to online
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: HHC on January 28, 2014, 02:00 AM
Quote from: Anubis on January 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

It's not the season rating that determines how many points the other clan gets for winning against you, but the overall one. If your overall one is really low not many people will pick that scheme against you cause hardly any points to win. You may even have 1300 season rating or so in that scheme, as long as it's low on overall it's not interesting for opponents to pick vs you.
That's why I said being a default-only clan isnt a real disadvantage nemore. You can get into PO just as well.
Most clans tend to pick the scheme that gives the most points and is still fairly safe to win. A 60% chance of winning 54 points is in many ways more attractive than a 99% chance of winning 10pts or something like that.

Che has a pretty crappy rating on TTRR & WxW (650'ish), we only had to play 3 of each this season. About 80% of the games we play are our best schemes Elite, Hyst and T17. They are the schemes that we pick and that the other clans pick vs us as well. DT usually picks elite or t17. Only the guys that dont analyze pick TTRR vs us  ;)
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: MonkeyIsland on January 28, 2014, 06:10 AM
Generally speaking, we have 4 kinds of members, the way I see it:



I think when the number of first couple of groups increases, we need a change. Reasoning why current situation is good, won't do it. Changing system, is not an easy job given the fact that TUS has a system people are used to and that's not an easy thing to achieve. Classic league has over 35 seasons history and tweaking stuff on it, must be done with care which I haven't seen such proposal yet.

The alternative solution, considering our league system, would be to make 2 new leagues: one default league and one roping league and disable classic league for a while. We can make up threads to decide which schemes to include/exclude there (obviously normal for default) and we need proper announcements to get everyone on board. Also to note that would kill the allrounder concept Classic league defines.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Korydex on January 28, 2014, 06:42 AM
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The alternative solution, considering our league system, would be to make 2 new leagues: one default league and one roping league and disable classic league for a while. We can make up threads to decide which schemes to include/exclude there (obviously normal for default) and we need proper announcements to get everyone on board. Also to note that would kill the allrounder concept Classic league defines.
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Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Statik on January 28, 2014, 06:46 AM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 28, 2014, 06:10 AM
we have 3 kinds of members

I see 4 kinds :D
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Anubis on January 28, 2014, 11:59 AM
Quote from: HHC on January 28, 2014, 02:00 AM
Quote from: Anubis on January 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

It's not the season rating that determines how many points the other clan gets for winning against you, but the overall one. If your overall one is really low not many people will pick that scheme against you cause hardly any points to win. You may even have 1300 season rating or so in that scheme, as long as it's low on overall it's not interesting for opponents to pick vs you.
That's why I said being a default-only clan isnt a real disadvantage nemore. You can get into PO just as well.
Most clans tend to pick the scheme that gives the most points and is still fairly safe to win. A 60% chance of winning 54 points is in many ways more attractive than a 99% chance of winning 10pts or something like that.

Che has a pretty crappy rating on TTRR & WxW (650'ish), we only had to play 3 of each this season. About 80% of the games we play are our best schemes Elite, Hyst and T17. They are the schemes that we pick and that the other clans pick vs us as well. DT usually picks elite or t17. Only the guys that dont analyze pick TTRR vs us  ;)

Oh okay, I thought seasonal was used when getting your season points and overall just for what it is, overall.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: HHC on January 28, 2014, 04:57 PM
It's a mix Kai, the system compares your season rating with the other guy's overall  ;)

AFAIK we're only brainstorming here MI. I think Avi too would reconsider if his system was actually gonna be implemented.

Doesnt hurt though to do this once in a while. Allows us to vent some frustration hehe and if the support is massive it can be taken into consideration next time you tweak the league.

ATM the leagues function fine IMO. Some players get bored, but that's always the case.  :)

If you wanna change something, do it on your own initiative IMO and the way YOU like it. It tends to become a mess when everyone gets involved with totally different ideas.


But if you wanna code something MI, try to add some little functions/options here and there to increase functionality. Like fixing the p/o reports ;) Or allowing some extra options in cups (larger groups, 2 rounds of group stage (like in champions league ;), or ALL players in 1 group) and stuff like that, it'll increase the mod's options without taking anything away that people might have come to appreciate.
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Prankster on January 28, 2014, 05:15 PM
Quote from: Statik on January 28, 2014, 06:46 AM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 28, 2014, 06:10 AM
we have 3 kinds of members

I see 4 kinds :D

*3217
Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: Garf on January 29, 2014, 12:17 AM
Wow, big response here! While it seems like there's some folks have similar thoughts, let me start off by saying that I by no means want to try to throw over what apparently works well here! Certainly not by shutting down, even temporarily, popular leagues.

It's also not that I'd dislike roping - I think it's one of the most fantastic game mechanics ever introduced by a game: Deceptively simple, yet extremely challenging to master perfectly. And I like doing it as well! I just am not even remotely good at it.

TheWalrus: Thanks for the link! Seems like there's even more active leagues and cups around, I'll certainly have a look. Watching the replays, I actually think I might put up a decent fight there.

HHC: hitting 40 this year. Also: T17 exclusive league? That sounds like my kind of thing!





Title: Re: Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)
Post by: avirex on January 29, 2014, 12:32 AM
Quote from: Garf on January 29, 2014, 12:17 AM
I think it's one of the most fantastic game mechanics ever introduced by a game: Deceptively simple, yet extremely challenging to master perfectly.


nicely said...    +1