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Title: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 09:12 AM
I'm kinda in a break, but i often log into tus and see what's going... am i wrong or is TUS getting shittier? Just look how this league became: people still asking in #ag to play their favourite scheme in league (else they'd avoid you), clans with more than 3 or 4 people active but still can't play clanners if they're 2 in ag, and to end off... ASBEST 1ST IN SEASON STANDINGS??? WHAT THE f@#!.


This league is getting ridicolous day by day, there's only a minority of players with balls (not sure if you know who're them) because players have too much freedom! I don't think in any game with a proper matchmaking system (random example: League Of Legends) you could avoid better players, you can't pick your opponent in ranked games, because if you deserve to win, you win. Maybe it's time to do something about it? How about improving this league that has gotten same over the past 4-5 years? Any suggestion or critique?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2016, 09:49 AM
Reset every single League.

Put restriction on Cups, don't allow silly experimental schemes, keep to Classic schemes and maybe 3 most popular Free league schemes, and please stop letting people host 1000 cups at once, 1 MOD = 1 Cup at a time.

Get rid of HAL/TRL/TEL, stick to just TuS Classic and TuS Free.

Tournaments should be restricted the same way as Cups.

Remove money from Classic Singles and put it all into Clanners(Teamwork should be the focus of this community).

Initiate 0 tolerance for directly insulting other members of TuS community, people swearing is ok, but if you directly insult someone pubicly they should be immediately muted/banned, this would make people feel more secure on TuS, especially newcomers to the game.

RESET THE LEAGUES! How many times do people have to say it already?! I said it twice cuz it's f**king important!
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 10:05 AM
Reset every single League.

Put restriction on Cups, don't allow silly experimental schemes, keep to Classic schemes and maybe 3 most popular Free league schemes, and please stop letting people host 1000 cups at once, 1 MOD = 1 Cup at a time.

Get rid of HAL/TRL/TEL, stick to just TuS Classic and TuS Free.

Tournaments should be restricted the same way as Cups.

Remove money from Classic Singles and put it all into Clanners(Teamwork should be the focus of this community).

Initiate 0 tolerance for directly insulting other members of TuS community, people swearing is ok, but if you directly insult someone pubicly they should be immediately muted/banned, this would make people feel more secure on TuS, especially newcomers to the game.

RESET THE LEAGUES! How many times do people have to say it already?! I said it twice cuz it's f**king important!

I agree on everything you said man,  good words,  i forgot to talk about resets. What you think about those people avoiding or asking to play only for a scheme?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Mega`Adnan on April 14, 2016, 10:14 AM
TUS made poor Baffu so angry! >:(
Fart you ArsGoetia!
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: spleen17 on April 14, 2016, 10:17 AM
Asbest is top because he is just getting noobs to register, telling them they can win money etc so he can bash them.

We could really do with a system that prevents this, like make it so you can report against new users but any points won from them will be 0, until that user plays 10 league games and plays against 3 different players (at which point all the points are then added). Just so points only come from 'legitimate' players.

But yeah, worst season ever so far.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 10:26 AM
Asbest is top because he is just getting noobs to register, telling them they can win money etc so he can bash them.

We could really do with a system that prevents this, like make it so you can report against new users but any points won from them will be 0, until that user plays 10 league games and plays against 3 different players (at which point all the points are then added). Just so points only come from 'legitimate' players.

But yeah, worst season ever so far.

Hmm that could work...

Btw i want your opinion on people who play only a certain scheme instead of playing 2 picks,  that's what annoy me more...
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 14, 2016, 10:58 AM
When I first played league on worms, I did some serious noobbashing.  After awhile I realized how cheap it is and I only play known players now, mostly my friends on this game.  The Asbest/Phanton method of signing people up to get easy wins is some of the cheapest crap on this game.  However, I don't see a clear cut way of stopping noobbashing, thank goodness there is a limit of games you can play each season against a single player.  I also don't see any problem with playing a particular scheme if both players agree to it.  I am not a big fan of TEL/HAL/TRL because it drives down activity in classic league, I'm with dave on this one.  A reset after season 50 might not be a terrible idea, leagues should be reset from time to time, and this league hasn't been reset since it's inception. 
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 14, 2016, 11:11 AM
C'mon don't kill Asby's dream auhuah that noob is finally 1st

Agree on everything btw. And I think Spleen's proposal it's good, the point gained by the wins with new comers (many of them registered the same day Asbhyst played with) should be limited more than now.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 14, 2016, 11:11 AM
Don't know why you have trouble with someone playing only one pick, sbaffo? For example, I am one of that ppl. Cause from classic, I enjoy only bng. Of other schemes respect goes only to ttrr. All others needs some fixing (limit petrols in hyst, use senator's t17, put 0hp crates in wxw and use only zook,nade and mine - so the luck factor could be 0, shopper no afr rule?! - wtf is that really?...)

Btw, if you win/lose against me particulary, it's 68/11 pts for you. Really no reason to be "annoyed" by that. ;)

EDIT: what am i trying to say is that ppl who play only 1 pick usually lose more than they could won. It's just upon other players will they give it a try and took away those pts.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: darKz on April 14, 2016, 11:16 AM
am i wrong or is TUS getting shittier?
50/50, it's been getting shittier for the past 5 years or so.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 11:22 AM
I explain you the reason: classic league has got 8 schemes,  whom have their season and overall points. If you play tus classic ONLY to play a certain scheme,  you won't be losing points to other schemes,  meaning your points will be higher than how they are supposed to be. I didn't get 7290 points by  playing only ttrr ofc. No need to fix other schemes, they're lucky ofc but you can't say that until you've mastered them. I've always played with anyone and respected everyone's pick,  although it would have made me mad sometimes, never feared anyone. I don't want to be arrogant,  but maybe that's the reason why i won 3 seasons straight.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 14, 2016, 11:31 AM
Playing only your favorite pick is not very respectful in the regards of your opponent, you only think about satisfy your pleasure, it's a spoiled toddler behaviour.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 14, 2016, 11:37 AM
never feared anyone.

No need to go Mad Max route... You're mixing fear with nausea.
I got what you're saying, but it still seems pretty fair to me that guy who is one of the best players in the world gets 70 and lose almost nothing, when playing someone's favourite scheme!?

If hyst,aerial and elite could have had their own leagues, maybe it's time for bng too?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: HHC on April 14, 2016, 11:38 AM
I don't believe resets will change much. The people who often press for it are oldschoolers who are just bored with the game. One week later and the activity is down to the usual level.

Proof: every single reset of personal stats  ;D

Transferring the money to clanners is an equally silly idea to raise activity. Not only do you take away the incentive to play singles then, you also reserve the money to 1 or 2 clans (basically CFC atm... which surprise, is the clan Komo's in..)

Toning down on cups schemes. Terrible idea as well. It's one of the few active parts of TUS that remain + you take away ability to test new schemes and variations + cup players are often more interested in playing 'free league' schemes cause they can compete for prizes there. (in other words, cups are cathering for players who feel misrepresented in the league, either cause they prefer fun schemes or because they are not allround).

0 tolerance sounds good in principle, but in practice it often leads to a lot of frustration and bullshitting. I think it's good MI limits it to extreme cases. Even with guys who are known for causing trouble, it's maybe better to tolerate their presence than to ban them and let them come back under aliases to make even more SHIT.

Asbest method may be shit (if it's true he does it like this), but on the upside, he does bring in new players. And atm he's kinda the only guy to keep singles alive lol.



I do agree though that the state of TUS atm is pretty bad. But it's hard to think of a solution that really fixes the core problem (oldschool players leaving and not being replaced sufficiently by new). Even the best possible TUS system prolly won't counter this.

My personal (radical) ideas would be:
1) limit classic to 5 schemes, rotate every season.
The downside of 8 schemes is that players either pick a scheme that is worth most points or the scheme in which it is easiest to RAPE the other guy. Most of the time it's a combo of both. It's not a recipe for tight matches, something that makes competition far more interesting. As I've said before, I prefer not to ask TTRR gods for TUS, cause it means 50% of the game I'm gonna be just waiting for the round to end.
With 5 schemes it's easier to practice and excel at all the schemes for a given season. It's hard even for veterans to stay in shape for for example T17 if they only play it once every week or 2 weeks.
It also makes it less of a hassle to pick schemes, particularly also in playoffs, where the schemes are now known beforehand.
First season could be most popular schemes of last 5 seasons: WxW, Roper, BnG, Elite, Hysteria. Second season you could replace 2 least played with 2 most popular free league ones (probably TTRR, Team17, Shopper or even Normal).

2) Remove HAL/TEL/TRL, upgrade Cups
Said before, I think it's not a bad idea to get rid of these extra leagues that the small player base cannot support anymore.
To make up for them, increase the modability of cups so that mini-leagues or cups with bigger groups can be hosted. Perhaps also make changes to the cup standings to make them more interesting (introducing 2-monthly season/reset to keep them up-to-date).

3) Fix the tourneys, cos broken pairings  :(
Tourneys can be a great way to attract new players. Perhaps assign 1 or 2 people to host official tournaments on standard times (like every friday or 2nd friday). Here too, 2 or 3 monthly seasons.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Shtaket on April 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
"messege by asbest, because he is muted from TUS 2 years now ( wth? ). wait what? im noobashing? ok, im playing with noobs, and some of them are really noobs, but i lost against eazygamer aka shtifkid and other, why no one saying about this? i played against sock, dibz, adun, chelsea, spoonhead, pizzasheet this season, are they noobs also? at last: can you finially unmute me? why i should be muted for 2 years from TUS? and leave me alone haters. im sick and tired of your attitude"
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 14, 2016, 12:21 PM
can you finially unban me? why i should be muted for 2 years from T US? and leave me alone haters. im sick and tired of your attitude"

- No
- funny he says this. 1 week ago I was on ag, I had to put him on ignore mode, I was receiving insults every 30 seconds auhauha We should create an ad-blocker for him
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Chelsea on April 14, 2016, 12:28 PM
We should create an ad-blocker for him

I think steal cage could be better xD

(https://img2.sprzedajemy.pl/540x405_klatka-na-swinie-swin-do-przewoz-33513692.jpg)
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 14, 2016, 12:30 PM
did you mean this?!

(http://i39.tinypic.com/30ushav.jpg)
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: spleen17 on April 14, 2016, 12:31 PM

Asbest method may be shit (if it's true he does it like this), but on the upside, he does bring in new players. And atm he's kinda the only guy to keep singles alive lol.

Nah this is bullshit, 95% of these players will never play again, or may never even sign in again, which is why I suggested this earlier in the thread.

you can report against new users but any points won from them will be 0, until that user plays 10 league games and plays against 3 different players (at which point all the points are then added).


Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 01:39 PM
How come you're still avoiding me? Even if i'm not being active and playing at all you're still scared of me huahuahaua

The only thing that you're able to do against me is smiting, how poor
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2016, 02:30 PM
Why not keep it simple?
Reduce the number of schemes.
Winner get 3 points, loser get 2 point, and draw both gets 1 point each?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Chelsea on April 14, 2016, 02:59 PM
Winner get 3 points, loser get 2 point, and draw both gets 1 point each?

WORST IDEA EVER XD

same number of points in game vs Dibz or vs iMac? lol
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2016, 03:12 PM
At least it would be form some sort of equilibrium.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 14, 2016, 03:28 PM
Alright guys, I have a suggestion.

How about a ranking system?
Rank 1 - 10 (Beginner)
Rank 10 - 25 (Average)
Rank 25 - 50 (Pro)
Rank 50 - 100 (Elite)

Those who are in rank Average, cannot play those that are in beginner and Pro, but their own ranking.
Elite players wont be able to play any ranks below them but their own rank.
People can lose point and be pushed back to their previous rank.
Each season is reset of ranks so that everyone starts over at zero.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Peja on April 14, 2016, 03:36 PM
Alright guys, I have a suggestion.

How about a ranking system?
Rank 1 - 10 (Beginner)
Rank 10 - 25 (Average)
Rank 25 - 50 (Pro)
Rank 50 - 100 (Elite)

Those who are in rank Average, cannot play those that are in beginner and Pro, but their own ranking.
Elite players wont be able to play any ranks below them but their own rank.
People can lose point and be pushed back to their previous rank.
Each season is reset of ranks so that everyone starts over at zero.

people complain about a low activity and your solution is to limit each players games by 75 % ?  you are a true genius  :D
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Tomi on April 14, 2016, 05:36 PM
haha i can hear MI's thoughts "why don't you make it yourself if you have such good ideas?" :D

TUS is getting dead coz anyone will be bored of anything after a while, that's natural. An ambitious newbie programmer should come to this game who is willing to create a brand new league where there would be competition again. Here I personally don't give a f@#! who won last 10 seasons of singles..
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: lalo on April 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
This is a natural process. I have been seeing it since I play leagues, like 12 years?. Fresh blood is needed, I hate what Asbest is doing but I agree with HHC, I hope some of them keep playing tus but it is our job to encourage them.
All my life I've been kicking guys without hesitation everytime I play a league game, and I don't even play funners. Now I take few minutes to explain what is going on and I invite them to this page, that's my little effort maybe others could have the good will of giving them time and the teachings needed to become more experienced players.

For me this system is OK but a reset is needed. LigaWorms (http://lw.worms2d.info/) had a reset every year and with that came new goals and a new struggle to get the 1st place. The ratings got recorded in the Hall of Fame and everyone was happy. I don't know why people is so stubborn here and want to keep the same standings forever without a good reason. Trying to reach Random00 is just pointless.
I love elite but we need to get rid of HAL/TRL/TEL. It just encourages lazy asses like Chelsea to play one single scheme -Hysteria- and never learn the joy of roping, same goes to people like Vesuvio and so on.

It's sad but new players are not competitive anymore, they just want to play their funny little cups, dark schemes and be friends like this was some Pokemon shit. That will kill tus classic and clanners.
I don't know if more money is a solution. I don't play for money, neither does Daina and maybe is just a little motivation to others. But that's a huge reason for people like Asbest to be there, in the 1st place.

TL/DR: This happens every now and then. Reset f@#!ing standings. Do your damn job Europeans/Americans, TuS clanner became into a Hispanic League lol grow a pair of balls, get a couple of friends together and play FFS!
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Peja on April 14, 2016, 07:03 PM
It just encourages lazy asses like Chelsea to play one single scheme -Hysteria- and never learn the joy of roping, same goes to people like Vesuvio and so on.


jule is known for his roping, at some point he just switched his focus to defaults. good job talking shit about someone who is currently banned.
chelsea is one of the most competitive guys out there. he reached playoffs with cat, which is far more impressive than any championship of your "uber" clan during the past year, considering their limited skill and the strong competition around them.
your points may be valid, but there no sense talking crap about the ones who showed activity while you have been inactive.

Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 14, 2016, 07:25 PM
This will never work and ppl will never agree. 8 schemes is just too much to keep everyone satisfied.
Real deal are those 1 scheme tournaments held once per year. Like CWT or EAC.

Last few seasons on tus after playoffs I saw guys screaming with caps lock "where is my money, give me money!"
That's sad and hilarious at same time.. and it should be obvious to everyone (?) that this is just a place to have a few laughs and kill time between school/jobs.

Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: lalo on April 14, 2016, 07:26 PM
Lol Peji. Can't you let your hate towards me and cfc aside? Did I ever talk about cfc or my achievements?
I also started from very low, and still got my WWP clan into the 1st place when Lyte, Solo and Luckyman were in the top 10 years ago. You see, this russian clan PP got the 1st place here, Asbest is 1st now so your cats shit doesn't surprise me at all.

I think I'm the Chilean that has showed more activity in the past 10 years, I created cfc and I've been always supporting my clan and community in one way or another.
 
But hey! This is not about you and me. Let's give solutions and not more problems.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 14, 2016, 07:59 PM
Last few seasons on tus after playoffs I saw guys screaming with caps lock "where is my money, give me money!"
That's sad and hilarious at same time.. and it should be obvious to everyone (?) that this is just a place to have a few laughs and kill time between school/jobs.



You've gotten off topic very quickly dude, how am i supposed to argue with someone who doesn't know what's the competition of this league?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 14, 2016, 08:10 PM
Hmm. My whole post was pretty much on topic, and I'm quite sure there was no arguing whatsoever.
But if you want to argue, np, I'm always open for casual shitstorm. Be warned: had good supper, batteries are charged.






Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Maciej on April 14, 2016, 08:30 PM
I agree. Cancel these all TEL, HAL, FREE, TRL and other shits. There was always one classic and respected league and it worked. TUS wanna be too pleasant for everyone and is becoming destroyed.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 14, 2016, 08:44 PM
Kill TEL and reset ranks, who's with me?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: nino on April 14, 2016, 08:58 PM
Kill Maciej and reset League!!!


Nah for real do whatever you guys want porra hauhauauha
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 14, 2016, 09:19 PM
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Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Korydex on April 14, 2016, 09:23 PM
lalo, there were some good allrounders in pp, I think you don't know them very well. btw their overall score with cFc is 5-4 :P
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2016, 10:50 PM
What you think about those people avoiding or asking to play only for a scheme?

My 1st experience with TuS was doing BnG only, to be #1 in BnG standings, I did play other schemes too, but it's like 75% or more BnG.

^^ This is why I don't play singles now, my stats for overall were based on focusing on 1 scheme, to play all schemes equally feels like a completely different set of statistics and I won't ruin my focused stats this way.

If there was a reset and everything was saved into a Hall of Fame, then I could play all schemes together as a seperate effort.

I think it's ok to play choice schemes so long as they still play other schemes too, I see people like lalo, dibs, sbaffo, daina, lukz etc play only TTRR with each other like 10+ games in a row, there is nothing wrong with this because it's one of their favourite schemes and they play all other schemes often too, in this way I like it.


I don't believe resets will change much. The people who often press for it are oldschoolers who are just bored with the game. One week later and the activity is down to the usual level.

Proof: every single reset of personal stats  ;D

That is not true, I for one would be more active than ever, i'd lose a lot of T17/Elite/TTRR/Shopper at 1st but improving my own skills and seeing the progress is very exciting and would keep me interested for a long time.

Also, resetting "personal stats" isn't actually a proper reset, so it isn't proof at all.


Transferring the money to clanners is an equally silly idea to raise activity. Not only do you take away the incentive to play singles then, you also reserve the money to 1 or 2 clans (basically CFC atm... which surprise, is the clan Komo's in..)

There is still less activity in singles than there was a while before money was introduced, your theory is entirely opinion with no facts to back it up.

The fact that dt/cfc/cf would probably be the 3 main teams to win Clanners if they were active and strong wouldn't even be a problem, people are free to leave/join/create any clan they wish at any time they wish, if they want to create a super team for them to win, fair play to them, they spent years honing their skills I think they would deserve to win prizes, it's up to other people to present a viable challenge to them ;)

Prize money is never supposed to be for less skilled players, prize money is usually there for the most talented players willing to win, so it's pretty dumb to assume the top clans wouldn't win? If anyone has a problem with that, they are free to practise as often as they want ;)

Toning down on cups schemes. Terrible idea as well. It's one of the few active parts of TUS that remain + you take away ability to test new schemes and variations + cup players are often more interested in playing 'free league' schemes cause they can compete for prizes there. (in other words, cups are cathering for players who feel misrepresented in the league, either cause they prefer fun schemes or because they are not allround).

You don't need a Cup to test schemes, grab a few buddies and host a game, it's that simple.

Cups definitely need to be limited, they draw too much attention away from leagues, the problem is they also draw a lot of attention away from #AG.

People organize their Cup games on the forums, which in turn means less "TuS Anyone?" in #AG, people meet up, play their game, and leave.

When you have 10 active Cups(all singles usually), most people who are active in these Cups won't look for Clanners/Singles because they are waiting for their Cup opponents to show up, which is a complete waste of time for Leagues.

I like Cups, but they are a poison to activity.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 14, 2016, 10:56 PM
Not to mention dividing prize money to clanner league would be next to impossible (how do you pay the inactive members) even the most inactive member is part of the team, they should get paid as well.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 14, 2016, 11:14 PM
Not to mention dividing prize money to clanner league would be next to impossible (how do you pay the inactive members) even the most inactive member is part of the team, they should get paid as well.

Personally speaking, if cfc won say $200 dollars, I would suggest buying better hardware/software for active/loyal members, the ones who made the effort that Season, buy roping keyboards for the ropers, get better monitor, can even buy a new desk or chair for them to be more comfortable while playing.

If nobody needs anything atm, put it into a clan kitty or something for later use.

It's a nice incentive for being a teamplayer, helping each other to gain better equipment, and personal gain if you manage to get something good yourself.

How the clans split the money is entirely up to the clans, it's none of our business really.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Triad on April 14, 2016, 11:21 PM
Last summer we had  the worst Worm Olympics. It was really inactive that a not so experienced clan like UC finished as #1 because it had a lot active members. Now TUS getting worse. As we can see, WA is going downhill.

First I want to quote a message of mine from another topic:

If I sum changes suggested by me or other people that I ageee in a single measage.

- Leagues should be resetted after 50th Classic season (50 is a nice number and I think it will give MI enough time)
- Leagues should be stored in some kind of "Hall of Fame"
- After reset each league always must be enabled simultaneously.
- Leagues should be resetted and put on Hall of Fame after each 20 seasons.
- Like voting for next TRL scheme, there should be a poll for Free League. Most voted 4 schenes should be replaced with least played 4 schemes.

Now I want to add:

- f@#! last one, cancel free league. Use the popularity of some free schemes on other events like cups and tournaments.
- Cancel TRL, TEL and HAL. For the people who likes few schemes. There are always other options than leagues, such as cups and tournaments. Just check how dS maintained Darts in past few years.
- Current ELO seems fine for me but if you really want to change it, use this: Same TUS ELO but losers don't lose pts. Like A vs B, 1000 vs 1000. B won(you expected A to won don't you?) Current ELO new pts will be: 960 vs 1040, but with new elo it will be 1000 vs 1040. With that people won't be scared to lose and won't avoid schemes.
- Remember the old topic that says some clans getting overpowered and suggesting new clans? That. Make current clans like family clan and create something like league squads. Max 4-6 players each squad. Easier to split money if you move prize to clanners. Chance to team up and play with new people.
- Want TUS to be active? Introduce people to site. Once saw a WA gif on 9gag, advertised tus by replying most of the comments like "d00d this game is still active, just google tus-wa and check first site" (Once came across with Random00 there lmao). Anyway when I created UC first it was Turkish only clan. I found clueless Turkish people and introduced wa, taught  everything from zero. One of these guys finished WO in top 20 once, Turkey finished as top 5. And I am not really the best guy around. There are a lot experienced people here that can get much better results than me easily.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: HHC on April 14, 2016, 11:24 PM
That is not true, I for one would be more active than ever, i'd lose a lot of T17/Elite/TTRR/Shopper at 1st but improving my own skills and seeing the progress is very exciting and would keep me interested for a long time.

Also, resetting "personal stats" isn't actually a proper reset, so it isn't proof at all.

Was waiting for your response Komo, ty  :)
I really doubt you can live up to that promise once reset is in place.
Personal reset isn't same as league reset, but it's 50% the same xD
It's a good indication that people who reset it and have plans to play league actively from thereon, never do.
I am willing to give a full reset a chance, but personally I'm held back by some fear of losing what is already there. It's a radical, no-return fix. If it doesn't improve activity at all (which IMO will happen), then we lose the stats that were there and that were being used by the system to reward players challenging these Overall Gods.

There is still less activity in singles than there was a while before money was introduced, your theory is entirely opinion with no facts to back it up.

If the theory makes sense the pratice usually will work out as well. Facts can be interpretated to claim pretty much anything, but that aside..

It does say something that the money didn't improve activity. It worked only for very few wormers. But it did some good in these cases (whether it was worth the ammount of $ spent... yeehnoomaybe).
In that respect, it's a measure that won't likely raise clanner activity in any significant way (even more cause it's reserved for like 2 clans atm, rest is chanceless).
It also makes it somewhat doubty that any real measure to revive the classic league will be a real success. If money can't do the trick.. overall reset prolly won't either.

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The fact that dt/cfc/cf would probably be the 3 main teams to win Clanners if they were active and strong wouldn't even be a problem, people are free to leave/join/create any clan they wish at any time they wish, if they want to create a super team for them to win, fair play to them, they spent years honing their skills I think they would deserve to win prizes, it's up to other people to present a viable challenge to them ;)

CF is dead for many years, really don't think SPW/Random will fire up the ol' engine for a money prize.
That and what Walrus says: dividing the money is a recipe for disaster.

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You don't need a Cup to test schemes, grab a few buddies and host a game, it's that simple.
In order to get it accepted as the official scheme you need more than this. + a funner doesnt match real competition. I mean, how many 'flaws'/ 'bugs' were not found in hysteria after months of playing this scheme?

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Cups definitely need to be limited, they draw too much attention away from leagues, the problem is they also draw a lot of attention away from #AG.
People organize their Cup games on the forums, which in turn means less "TuS Anyone?" in #AG, people meet up, play their game, and leave.
When you have 10 active Cups(all singles usually), most people who are active in these Cups won't look for Clanners/Singles because they are waiting for their Cup opponents to show up, which is a complete waste of time for Leagues.
I like Cups, but they are a poison to activity.

I only play cups, if TUS was league only I woulda been gone for a long time  :-[
There are people who combine both, there are people who only do leagues and people who only do cups. IMO they are a great asset of TUS, and like I said, one of the parts of the site that is still going strong. Maybe we should abolish leagues and just do cups and tourneys from now on? haha.
Nah, it's a good combo.

But yeah, I think a 5-scheme classic would make things more clear and improve the quality of the average game.

Maybe we can also host more normal tourneys and steal some of that activity from ONL?  :)
Those cups are popular with a crowd that don't visit TUS too often.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheWalrus on April 14, 2016, 11:29 PM
gj hhc, now bring back worms-league.com
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: HHC on April 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
gj hhc, now bring back worms-league.com

Now that you mention it, worms at that time pretty much ran on 14 year olds tryng to prove they had a dick.
Worms atm is a bit of everything, kiddo's looking up to the old farts that just sit around and chat and 7 or 8 teenagers who get muted/banned after 2 months for smearing this page with their hormonal banter. Lol.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kaleu on April 14, 2016, 11:58 PM
I am with Komo and Lalo, everything I had to say was spoken by them, I always thought that money prize given to singles and not to clanners (which are much more exciting to watch) are absolutely ridiculous.

About bashing just signed in players:
Maybe we should add 1 week cooldown and/or take part in some tournament/cup before playing classic?
 Just a simple idea.

Edit: Maybe some forum posts or requesting to play in a new board could work too.



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C'mon, reset leagues already! I'll play it again!
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: spleen17 on April 15, 2016, 12:09 AM

About bashing just signed in players:
Maybe we should add 1 week cooldown and/or take part in some tournament/cup before playing classic?
 Just a simple idea.


Even this would be an improvement, wouldn't take much coding (if any).
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 12:10 AM
I really doubt you can live up to that promise once reset is in place.

Who cares what you doubt? If I say I will be active, I will.

Personal reset isn't same as league reset, but it's 50% the same xD

No, it isn't, end of discussion here.


CF is dead for many years, really don't think SPW/Random will fire up the ol' engine for a money prize.
That and what Walrus says: dividing the money is a recipe for disaster.

If you look and read what I said it was "if they were active", so why even bother repeating what I just said in different words?

Why is it a recipe for disaster? You have nothing to prove that.

Inactive members of clans should have no claim to any prizes, if they don't put in the effort, they deserve nothing, as simple as that, it's pretty easy to understand.



In order to get it accepted as the official scheme you need more than this. + a funner doesnt match real competition. I mean, how many 'flaws'/ 'bugs' were not found in hysteria after months of playing this scheme?

Ok, that's nonsense because Cups don't reflect real competition either, in Cups you cannot avoid, in Cups you can't noob bash, in Cups you aren't chasing impossible statistics, amongst other things.

There are no flaws/bugs in Hysteria, only personal opinions, that's a fact.


I only play cups, if TUS was league only I woulda been gone for a long time  :-[
There are people who combine both, there are people who only do leagues and people who only do cups. IMO they are a great asset of TUS, and like I said, one of the parts of the site that is still going strong.

I never said get rid of Cups, I said restrict them and also that I like them, I wish for once people would read what I type properly...

I can't deny the activity Cups has, but as I said they are a poison to proper Leagues, just limit them a bit is all I am asking.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 15, 2016, 12:15 AM
If you guys really care, maybe someone should make public poll and let ppl vote. All active members will pick what they like the most. Then it's on MI to decide whether he's gonna change anything or leave it like it is.

Arguing about individual opinions is getting boring.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 12:23 AM
Ok, that's nonsense because Cups don't reflect real competition either, in Cups you cannot avoid, in Cups you can't noob bash, in Cups you aren't chasing impossible statistics, amongst other things.

Lol, just realized how bad I made the League look haha :D

Cups are technically more professional than the League, but waaaaaaay less players/amount of games, and are usually scheme specific, because of this you are restricted to only certain people/times you can play, which is why it takes so much activity from the League.

Why do people even bother with the Cups when they can play the exact same schemes in the actual Leagues?

If the Cups had like x100 more players and it was easier to organize games i'd probably vote to focus TuS on Cups, but they aren't and never will be, all they do is slowly kill Leagues, which is horrible in the longrun.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Rabbzz on April 15, 2016, 03:33 AM
Kill TEL and reset ranks, who's with me?

Yea why not, lets give it a go
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: reN`s on April 15, 2016, 04:22 AM
Kill TEL and reset ranks, who's with me?

Yea why not, lets give it a go


lol why? tel is great ren love's tel! <3 <3 <3 <3
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: reN`s on April 15, 2016, 04:26 AM
ae Asbest is crying for your stadistics xd see it MI :-\

00:23: pbc`Asbest`LR> "messege by Asbest, since he is muted from TUS for 2 years now. Why reset statitstics? Do you want to reset my statistcs and statstic by all players? i put so much effort to get this rank and points, and now you want to delete/remove/reset this all? You can also play with noobs, what a problem? Dont cry with no sense."
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: WTF-8 on April 15, 2016, 05:06 AM
haha @ assbeast crying about his "hard earned" points
btw, he was banned from these forums for a reason. Posting his messages here in such a way is basically like helping a villain.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 15, 2016, 05:22 AM
What you think about those people avoiding or asking to play only for a scheme?

My 1st experience with TuS was doing BnG only, to be #1 in BnG standings, I did play other schemes too, but it's like 75% or more BnG.

^^ This is why I don't play singles now, my stats for overall were based on focusing on 1 scheme, to play all schemes equally feels like a completely different set of statistics and I won't ruin my focused stats this way.

If there was a reset and everything was saved into a Hall of Fame, then I could play all schemes together as a seperate effort.

I think it's ok to play choice schemes so long as they still play other schemes too, I see people like lalo, dibs, sbaffo, daina, lukz etc play only TTRR with each other like 10+ games in a row, there is nothing wrong with this because it's one of their favourite schemes and they play all other schemes often too, in this way I like it.

It's true that we're often playing ttrr, but i don't like the fact people can pick an opponent basing on his skills: i've had been asking tus for hours somedays just because basically some players refused to play with me. You may save some points, but it ain't fair for people like me. If i have to play,for example, against vok whom picks often default schemes i do that,and he does the same, you don't have to be afraid to lose certain points in a scheme you don't like. Get it?

Asbest what the f@#! are you doing here? I'm waiting you to tus with me. You flamed me as i didn't want to play you (since i was at school), what now? You're always the same drama queen, still don't get why mods let you be in this forum.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 15, 2016, 05:52 AM
One thing I have observed, most of the topic discussion (typically related to change) here, never ends up anywhere. Sure there some Interesting ideas from time to time, but they are never put into practice, they simply fade away.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 15, 2016, 05:58 AM
One thing I have observed, most of the topic discussion (typically related to change) here, never ends up anywhere. Sure there some Interesting ideas from time to time, but they are never put into practice, they simply fade away.

Instead of being as negative as you always are, i opened a topic to discuss about it, and we see a majority of people share the same thoughts, as this will end we're going to ask MI to do something about. I didn't open a topic for no reason and even if MI is the admin of this site, its league's players are askimg for changes as it has gotten repetitive and cheap as f@#!.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 15, 2016, 06:10 AM
One thing I have observed, most of the topic discussion (typically related to change) here, never ends up anywhere. Sure there some Interesting ideas from time to time, but they are never put into practice, they simply fade away.

Instead of being as negative as you always are, i opened a topic to discuss about it, and we see a majority of people share the same thoughts, as this will end we're going to ask MI to do something about. I didn't open a topic for no reason and even if MI is the admin of this site, its league's players are askimg for changes as it has gotten repetitive and cheap as f@#!.

It is a sad fact of life, and I applaud your commitment.  I actually appreciate people that wants a change, but I feel like the desire for something new, never really comes through.
Who knows, maybe this won't end up as a discussion only, it can actually contribute for the intent of this very topic.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 15, 2016, 06:13 AM
One thing I have observed, most of the topic discussion (typically related to change) here, never ends up anywhere. Sure there some Interesting ideas from time to time, but they are never put into practice, they simply fade away.

Instead of being as negative as you always are, i opened a topic to discuss about it, and we see a majority of people share the same thoughts, as this will end we're going to ask MI to do something about. I didn't open a topic for no reason and even if MI is the admin of this site, its league's players are askimg for changes as it has gotten repetitive and cheap as f@#!.

It is a sad fact of life, and I applaud your commitment.  I actually appreciate people that wants a change, but I feel like the desire for something new, never really comes through.
Who knows, maybe this won't end up as a discussion only, it can actually contribute for the intent of this very topic.

Besides your negativity, i don't want to be offensive but are you playing league as much as i do? If yes then,  you'd totally understand why i'm doing this
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 15, 2016, 06:31 AM
I understand why you are doing this, that's why I said I appreciate it. I just hope something good comes out of it. I wouldn't mind partaking in a fresh league.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 11:59 AM
It's true that we're often playing ttrr, but i don't like the fact people can pick an opponent basing on his skills: i've had been asking tus for hours somedays just because basically some players refused to play with me. You may save some points, but it ain't fair for people like me.

While playing TuS I always picked BnG, most people actually picked BnG too because they thought it was some sort of huge achievement to beat me. I did play other schemes when other players picked them but I would always try to convince them to play more BnG :D

While it's true there were people I avoided from time to time knowing they would pick schemes that bored me, I challenged anyone openly and tried to play the best there was at the time.

In my case it wasn't so much as case as avoiding skilled players in fear of losing points, it was a case of the only thing I wanted to do was BnG, and that's what I did :)

If i have to play,for example, against vok whom picks often default schemes i do that,and he does the same, you don't have to be afraid to lose certain points in a scheme you don't like. Get it?

I was never afraid of losing points, at the time I was only interested in BnG and sometimes Roper, so didn't want to spend my time doing things I could avoid doing, such as the other 6 schemes :D
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 15, 2016, 12:09 PM
Agree with komo on this one. If player wants to play 1 scheme, he host it and wait if someone will accept. Soon as other player joins it's not 1st player pick anymore, but third/mutual.

I don't see why it's considered to be lame or avoiding style. It's not like someone is forcing you to accept 1 pick game. Especially if you can win a lot more pts than you could lose.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Chelsea on April 15, 2016, 12:20 PM
I was never afraid of losing points, at the time I was only interested in BnG and sometimes Roper, so didn't want to spend my time doing things I could avoid doing, such as the other 6 schemes :D

Same here :) I don't play tus calsic to be in POs, I just enjoy playing hysteria, team17, aerial and sometimes shoppa & elite.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 12:24 PM
I am sure that such players, who only want to play their favorite scheme, don't have any brother/sister. 
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: spleen17 on April 15, 2016, 12:25 PM
Not sure if MI actually reads all these threads (would be understandable if he didn't due to all the spam / bickering). But there are some good ideas on noob-bashing here, and seems like most are in favour of a reset too.

Any chance we can start a poll on these issues?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 15, 2016, 12:27 PM
I am sure that such players, who only want to play their favorite scheme, don't have any brother/sister.

Got both. Try again.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Chelsea on April 15, 2016, 12:30 PM
I am sure that such players, who only want to play their favorite scheme, don't have any brother/sister.

Got both. Try again.

haha :D me too :D
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 12:51 PM
I am sure that such players, who only want to play their favorite scheme, don't have any brother/sister.

Got both. Try again.

haha :D me too :D

you're spoiled and selfish anyways.  :D

Your attitude doesn't make sense in a league where there are 8 schemes. Can you see this?
It would be more appropriate having a league for each scheme at this point, because we can't talk of "classic league" when players like you play only their own favorite scheme, 1 pick only, or you accept to play 1 pick of this scheme or I don't play... very mature.



 



Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 12:58 PM
Your attitude doesn't make sense in a league where there are 8 schemes. Can you see this?

If it doesn't make sense then why is there an option specifically for reporting 1 mutually agreed scheme? Can you see this?

You're not angry at people who play specific schemes only, you are angry because there aren't more people playing what YOU want to play, if you had 1000 people to play every day and there were people like Chelsea/Sensei etc asking for only 1/2 schemes, you wouldn't have a problem would you?

1 pick only, or you accept to play 1 pick of this scheme or I don't play... very mature.

Someone enters #AG and asks "TuS anyone?" and someone replies "Yes, me", they play their games happy, and carry on with their lifes.

Someone enters #AG and asks "TuS anyone? *Scheme* only" and someone replies "Yes, me", they play their games happy, and carry on with their lifes.

What's the different in maturity? If anything it's immature to look down on someone simply because they enjoy different things in life.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 01:06 PM

If it doesn't make sense then why is there an option specifically for reporting 1 mutually agreed scheme? Can you see this?

You're not angry at people who play specific schemes only, you are angry because there aren't more people playing what YOU want to play, if you had 1000 people to play every day and there were people like Chelsea/Sensei etc asking for only 1/2 schemes, you wouldn't have a problem would you?


"we both picked this (3rd game)"

I am from the 80s, your pick, my pick, 3rd game let's chose together, and it's ok if we only play 1 game, maybe let's try to agree without being too exclusive.
Ofc now that only few persons are active such a behaviour is more notable.





Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 15, 2016, 01:09 PM
Ano, your "anger" would be understandable if, for example, I'm playing only 1 scheme to reach playoff spots.
But we all know that's far from truth. Dunno about others, but I play classic only cause bng stats.
Funners are too boring and players are too newbish. a2b league is down atm and not many guys play it anyway.
So only real competition for this scheme is on TUS.


Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 01:16 PM
I am not angry anymore about this. Actually I agree, as you wrote before, of giving bng players a trl or a TBL. I even might come back to play uahuah.

The classic has 8 schemes, period. If nowadays only few users are playing this and some of them act like you, it's really time to renew it. Start with resetting everything, and create something new. And for sure, you guys who are active should propose something. That's what I think. No rage, I am actually sad the few times I come to ag and I see only noobs playing schemes I have never heard... until they meet the best Ukrainian wormer with the corset  ;D
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 02:21 PM
The classic has 8 schemes, period. If nowadays only few users are playing this and some of them act like you, it's really time to renew it. Start with resetting everything, and create something new.

Well yeah I support playing all schemes more now, if there was a reset I could play again, (of course when I find new home lol).
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 15, 2016, 03:07 PM
You guys haven't understood yet; as the rules says, that you're supposed to play 2 picks, then, as far as both agree, you can both pick anything you want. You're supposed also to play for reach playoffs not to reach 1st standing at your favourite scheme, this doesn't help activity, because you have no intention to reach playoffs, you're too lazy and cheap for do that, aren't you?
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sensei on April 15, 2016, 03:22 PM
Hehe, just because your life goal is to be no1 on tus, you don't have right to call ppl lame and cheap if they don't share your dream. There's million ways to help improve this community, such as: getting new ppl, share your knowledge, uploading new maps, schemes.. donating..
I, personally, admire your skill, but you're acting quite immature to have normal conversation with. Cheers bro.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 03:30 PM
You guys haven't understood yet; as the rules says, that you're supposed to play 2 picks, then, as far as both agree, you can both pick anything you want.

Of course we understand, we understand more than you do.

If someone asks "TuS anyone, Hysteria only" they usually always play 2 or more games, or at least, they should, this is 2 players agreeing they both pick the same scheme.

It's entirely legal as long as rules are concerned.

You're supposed also to play for reach playoffs not to reach 1st standing at your favourite scheme,

Please show me where in the rules it says you must play TuS in order to reach Playoffs?

Why do you think there is an option to withdraw from Playoffs in profile options?

Why do you think each scheme has their own standings as well as overall?

this doesn't help activity,

Actually, it does help activity, all the people who play specific schemes might not play at all if they were forced to play every scheme.

A small amount is better than no amount, don't you think?

because you have no intention to reach playoffs, you're too lazy and cheap for do that, aren't you?

Ok now that's just silly.

I spent at least 8 hours most days playing BnG and looking for TuS BnG games, I played more BnG than anyone, ever, are you saying I am lazy because I focused mainly on 1 scheme?

I put more time and effort into BnG alone than most people have their entire time on Worms, while doing that I also had time for Clanners and other communities etc.

So that takes out your accusation for being lazy, now what about cheap?

I've played with and against the best players there are, I played hundreds of BnGs with anyone willing to play, I never avoided anyone and always have and always will teach people my tips and tricks to become a better player.

That takes out your accusation for being cheap.

Do you honestly think it's cheap and lazy?? Really?



Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Sbaffo on April 15, 2016, 04:03 PM
Whatever, tryied to do my best, but this game lost all the competition, enjoy
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Kradie on April 15, 2016, 05:42 PM
As predicted, talk, agree to disagree.  The End.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 08:12 PM
Wormers' ego is too big to allow cooperation. everyone thinks to be an hero, a pro and right.

ma vaffanculo va
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2016, 08:55 PM
Sbaffo, I actually agree with you, we should encourage everyone we can to play all schemes instead of choice schemes, but don't call them lazy lol.

ANO you are correct too, everyone thinks they have the best idea, the best plan to save TuS lol, but at least most of us agree on a full reset :)
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: ANO on April 15, 2016, 09:16 PM
Sbaffo, I actually agree with you, we should encourage everyone we can to play all schemes instead of choice schemes, but don't call them lazy lol.

ANO you are correct too, everyone thinks they have the best idea, the best plan to save TuS lol, but at least most of us agree on a full reset :)

yee, the reset it's like that perfect situation where all of us would seat at a round table with beers, wine and stuff and would be all friends uahuah

but Monkey doesn't partecipate to this conversation
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: Ryan on April 15, 2016, 10:42 PM
The people who are top of overall are legends of yesterday.
Reset - let us fight for legend of today.
Title: Re: What the f@#! is going on?
Post by: HHC on April 15, 2016, 10:54 PM
but Monkey doesn't partecipate to this conversation

he does  ;)

he's saving for the final speech  :P