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Title: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Asbest on November 21, 2018, 09:44 PM
met him in funner fort game. Is it cheat? notching? or some other hell? any ideas how he does it? he says it is calculations, he doesn't say how he does it, but told all to Virus.


and he said he use some sort of ruler



Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: nino on November 21, 2018, 11:28 PM
any kind of cheat against you is allowed.

any other question?  ;D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheWalrus on November 21, 2018, 11:41 PM
met him in funner fort game. Is it cheat? notching? or some other hell? any ideas how he does it? he says it is calculations, he doesn't say how he does it, but told all to Virus.


and he said he use some sort of ruler
there was a notching ruler made by Mablak, also Gabriel made one, a few of the Italians used a notching ahk program like casso, impo had some sort of bng cheat but I don’t know exactly what it is. There is quite a bit of that out there, it is easy to tell when people notch.  I’ll take a look later and tell you when I’m home.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Dr Abegod on November 22, 2018, 12:33 AM
He was of course using the TI-BnG-82 (https://wormstuff.000webhostapp.com). How dare you not mention this walrus.l
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheWalrus on November 22, 2018, 01:05 AM
Yeah, he's notching, or just attempting to.  Most notching I've seen is top down from straight vertical, this is interesting because he uses arrows to get him true 45 degree, which isn't that hard without arrows.  The only shots he notches correctly on a consistent basis are 45 degree FP nade/petrol and full power blue wind.  He seemed completely unable to notch red wind, and inconsistent with middle blue winds.  He hits a few full power shots, but they seem more based on distance, he moves his worm to the same spot over and over again to get his distance right instead of adjusting with aim.  It is extremely crude notching that doesn't really work well for real situations, I could mop this guy up in BnG or hyst.  Fort is ideal for this sort of crappy notching, doesn't work anywhere else, honestly.

Many have notched better than this, he's not even that good at it.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on November 22, 2018, 03:10 AM
a few of the Italians used a notching ahk program like casso, impo had some sort of bng cheat but I don’t know exactly what it is. There is quite a bit of that out there, it is easy to tell when people notch. 

There are bng cheats!? Wow! What a pathetic losers haha.

Took me awhile to find his name now, but that chilean wormer called Instantly.. damn, it was pain to play against him. At least for me.

As soon I'd hit 1-2 shots, he would notch EVERY shot for the rest of the game. It was so obvious and painful to watch. Can't believe ppl are that desperate to win without any enjoyment left for the game.

Now that you mentioned cheats, wouldn't be surprised if someone says he used it. Didn't play that much against him tho, could be wrong.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Mega`Adnan on November 22, 2018, 10:39 AM
I don't think it's a cheat. He probably experienced the whole map by aiming/calculating with longbow, and testing these maps in offline mode. And he used full power shots everytime.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sbaffo on November 22, 2018, 12:49 PM
Walrus dude you confused Easy with Casso... Casso would never do something like that
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheWalrus on November 22, 2018, 12:52 PM
Walrus dude you confused Easy with Casso... Casso would never do something like that
someone linked me to this awhile ago

Unless Casso is talking about some other game besides worms

https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/81180-how-can-i-hold-a-button-down-for-a-given-duration/
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 22, 2018, 04:36 PM
I would bet my life that Casso is a notcher, or at least was.

And that link further explains how he was able to play so good against me in the Hysteria games I lost to him, I was always pretty annoyed about that cuz I knew something fishy was going on.

People are f@#!ing pathetic, honestly.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sbaffo on November 22, 2018, 05:13 PM
He probably was a notcher but i doubt he ever used something like that in leagues... It's an old topic from 2012, even i tryied some stuff like that back then but that doesn't necessarily mean that he was a cheater.

Komo don't be ridiculous he literally owned you, you didn't even manage to win him once... You may be a skilled bng player but in strategy default schemes Casso was a monster. The fact you're trying to back-up something that happened years ago makes me think how of a bad looser you are sometimes. Da fuq you're sayin with "i knew something fishy was going on... Ma vai a lavorare... I do remember tho that you shit talked him in the forums calling him" avoider" and stuff like that, then when he humiliated you, you ragequitted like a salty child... Stop pissing out the toilet and shut up, you're the only one looking pathetic here
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 22, 2018, 05:32 PM
Yes he owned me, because he was notching and f@#! knows what else lol.

Doing shots in 1s that I do in BnG with precision and time, yeah, sorry but nobody is THAT good, not even me at my best.

You'd be pissed too if someone owned you at TTRR using macros or something.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sbaffo on November 23, 2018, 02:47 AM
Yes he owned me, because he was notching and f@#! knows what else lol.

Sure, same as Asbest's statement, in the end you got rekt anyway and you're using it as an excuse for losing.

People are f@#!ing pathetic, honestly.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 23, 2018, 03:28 AM
And if it's true? What then? You are proud of Casso for cheating? I am a sore loser lol?

Honestly, what proof/evidence do you have he isn't cheating? Everything sure as hell points to him being a poor player not me.

Back then if I was 100% sure he beat me fair and square it would give me incentive to improve even further, in life I strive to surround myself with people better than me at the things I love, I enjoy interacting with and learning from the best, the journey of improving is always better rather than the loneliness of being the best.

Granted, I did act like a sore loser back then, because I honestly felt like I lost due to unfair circumstances, wouldn't you?

Considering the evidence in this thread, and the other respected players who think Casso played unfairly, do you REALLY think i'd act like a sore loser for no reason at all? I've lost far more important games and not gave a f**k.

Please, think about it.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on November 23, 2018, 11:33 AM

Considering the evidence in this thread, and the other respected players who think Casso played unfairly, do you REALLY think i'd act like a sore loser for no reason at all? I've lost far more important games and not gave a f**k.


It's actually just walrus that thinks Casso might be fishy. :D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 23, 2018, 03:52 PM
Walrus isn't the only person to mention Casso in the history of Worms.

I mean, his tactics, can't argue, but his shots on the other hand, I ain't buying it from a guy that was unheard of one day, and all of a sudden the next day was able to pull off shots nobody else could that consistent in 1s.

I'm not buying it, I never will lol.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sbaffo on November 23, 2018, 04:17 PM

Considering the evidence in this thread, and the other respected players who think Casso played unfairly, do you REALLY think i'd act like a sore loser for no reason at all? I've lost far more important games and not gave a f**k.


It's actually just walrus that thinks Casso might be fishy. :D


Yeah, he extend his personal opinion to an empiric one. "I think x so everyone does that" sure komo, everyone think as exactly as you do, your opinion matter more than anyone else, on the f@#!ing internet. How about you stop being megalomaniacal and turn your brain for a minute? Is that too hard for you? Open your eyes and stop dreaming

How does exactly a simple macro that let's you aim a perfect notch makes you not fail any shot? As always, you're over-exaggerating because your points make no f@#!ing sense. That macro lets you notch your aim angle, it doesn't aim for you, it's not a big deal, what the f@#! is your problem? Stop bringing your own personal experiences, keep them for you, because everyone develops skillz in his unique way, it doesn't work like "IF I learned this way then other people sure must have done like me" NO. How can you explain then Casso's talent in elite? Did he win so many good elite players thanks to a simple macro that's let you have a simple notch? Nah i'm not having that mate, i've known casso for a long time and very well, the portrait you're giving us about him is completely f@#!ed up.

I have not forgotten yet when you called me a cheater because i used to play ttrr with 2 spaces and you were like "oh yeah he uses 2 spaces so he actually has no skillz at all, he is not legit" shows me how incompetent is your line of reasoning because you should know more than me that in roping it doesn't matter how and how fast you tap. How do you explain that i've gotten better now that i'm using actually 1 space (and it's the original spacebar, it's not even a remapped key)? I thought you said that 2 spaces gave an unfair advantage ho... how is this even possible??!?!?13'1

Nah i get it, if someone doesn't do things exactly as you do, you just act like a salty child, everything is clear now. I'd rather speak with a wall rather than you sometimes
Btw you keep talking about these imaginary people (expect for walrus) that stated that, can i see where are these friends of yours please? hahahah.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 23, 2018, 06:01 PM
Well for starters, I never EVER said you don't have any skill at all, and I never called you a cheater directly either, however I do remember saying that I think using 2 spaces is cheating because this game was made to use 1 spacebar, it's just an opinion and there is no need to get this upset about it, using 2 spaces is accepted in the community so it doesn't matter what I think there.

It was like 3 or 4 years ago when this happened so I can't remember the people I spoke to about Casso, but I definitely remember a few people being shocked(in various ways) and not being the only suspicious person.

Who cares if you have known Casso for a long time, last time I checked friendship wasn't foolproof evidence that someone is 100% legit, even if he was your father he could still be a cheater, your logic is ridiculous.

I came on here casually talking about the past AFTER seeing some evidence suggesting Casso will use any means necessary to get an unfair advantage over his opponents, I didn't lose control, you did, and you've blown this up into some massive dramatic arguement.

It's funny how you accuse me of being the drama queen when it's always the other person who loses their shit 1st lol.

Just remember, I never said anything about Casso UNTIL AFTER seeing that stuff about him trying to find lame ways to get an advantage, you should think about that instead of blaming me for feeling like I was beaten unjustly.

Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: philie on November 23, 2018, 10:17 PM
yeah, sorry but nobody is THAT good, not even me at my best.

lmao!

reminded me of this:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/35572998/Youareallidiots.jpg)

didnt read the rest, sorry for interrupting, go on.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheWalrus on November 23, 2018, 11:35 PM
I like Casso as much as the next guy but it's obvious he was notching, and went as far as to create a program to assist his notching.

To believe he never used this in league because of ethics is a stretch.  If the shoe was on the other foot and we were talking about asbest, I ofc would think he used it in league.  It is hard to believe someone would put so much effort to make a program for notching and then not use it. 

Casso most likely made use of external aids, but doesn't change much, the fact is hes extremely good at worms, with or without the notching program he created.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 24, 2018, 06:14 PM
Sometimes philie, you just gotta rock the boat  :D ;D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 27, 2018, 09:36 PM
To say a guy (Casso) is a cheater because he used (or intended to use, because there is no hard evidence he used it with great success other than assumptions; not even this AHK forum thread is pointing he had any success with it) an AHK script for single taps because his keyboard wasnt allowing him to do so, is a bit of an overstatement. My last 2 keyboards made me almost literally unable to make a single-tap (notch) reliably, which was a brick in the wall for slowly losing interest with the game. Add to that monitor change that followed with resolution change that followed with non-native blurry pixels where you couldnt tell how many are in sight (extremely important in default schemes), and these in turn made me lose a good portion of ingame intuition (and later interest). If I was calling shots, Id let people use CTRL(or smth)+an arrow key to precise their aiming, and maybe walking too, but this one is tricky and very different.

And before you call people cheaters publicly, Komo, maybe first let actual competent people like Deadcode investigate it professionaly, because you are not a pro nor a very smart person, you are just f@#!ing good at BnG and that doesnt matter.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 27, 2018, 10:02 PM
lacoste, I am reminded of a scene from Law Abiding Citizen, where Nick is questioning Clyde and thinks he has admitted his guilt, but in actual fact the wording of his statement proves that he never...

I never called him a cheater directly, because I have no proof, but i'll stick with this statement:

"I came on here casually talking about the past AFTER seeing some evidence suggesting Casso will use any means necessary to get an unfair advantage over his opponents"

I think he is a cheater, but I cannot say "He is a cheater", there is a difference, either way, I think he's yet another unfair player now.

So before you assume questions and skeptical conversation as outright accusations, make sure you understand the text 1st, please.

Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 28, 2018, 04:18 AM
Calling someone a cheater directly or indirectly (and that whole thread is you blabling and defending the idea that he HAS to use an unfair advantage based on zero proper proof) is pretty much the same thing. Its a public forum and the guy is absent and unable to defend himself, get some real facts, not ones like "He owned me", because you are making a fool of yourself for years and that's a FACT - see the difference?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 28, 2018, 05:55 AM
No, it is not pretty much the same thing, in a court of law for example, the difference between thinking and knowing are CRUCIALLY different, THAT'S a fact.

Everybody is a fool to someone else, but what is important is a persons integrity and how they feel about themselves and the people they trust, I feel no shame, nor do I care about your opinion in this matter, so think of me as a fool if you wish, you mean nothing to me especially after what you and others did to b2b.

I'd say you are a fool to come here stating I labelled him as a cheater when I merely stated I think he is one, while I envy your ability to speak various languages, you should still be careful, because even 1 word can make a whole difference.

If I ever discover I was wrong, I will apologize sincerely, and learn from it, until then, I am entitled to think as I wish.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 28, 2018, 10:43 AM
You are doing damage to Casso's reputation, based on - for what we know - an attempt to make a simple AHK script that will let him one-tap UP and DOWN arrow, plus that he appears to you to have some inhuman abilities on hysteria (bullshit) without investigating it,  and you feel no shame, that's cool man.
People are f@#!ing pathetic, honestly.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 28, 2018, 06:03 PM
Doing damage to Casso's reputation? F**k off LMAO!

People can think for themselves and come to their own conclusions, they are free to talk to me and ask questions, free to find Casso and talk to him and ask questions, and free to look at his games and judge for themselves.

Big whoop, I think someone plays unfairly, and would do anything in secret to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents, in life I hate people like this and wish them all to cease to exist, I wish it was a fairer world where we could check ultimately for 100% legitness and trust each other, I hate people who will do anything to get an unfair advantage over other people.

His actions discovered in this thread further prove to me personally, that he cannot be trusted, and that will never change just because you are upset about it.

But then again, that's life isn't it? That's generally how humans behave, all of them, trying to f**k each other over and defeat each other by any means necessary, so yes, people are pathetic, all of us.

I highly doubt you or the other people involved felt any shame when you stood against me to rid me from the community I built from the ground up, that  I put more effort into than anything else in this game, that I cared for more than all of you combined.

Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on November 28, 2018, 06:13 PM
I highly doubt you or the other people involved felt any shame when you stood against me to rid me from the community I built from the ground up, that  I put more effort into than anything else in this game, that I cared for more than all of you combined.

Lol, ppl expelled you from your community?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 28, 2018, 07:00 PM
Not quite quite his and only his, and pretty much for a reason he thought b2b is all about him to insane levels, just like regular TUS drama topic with him involved, so he got voted out because b2b's foundation was to let every member to be equal, poeple vote for people to let in and out I guess :) In short, he was way too toxic and we didnt let him destroy that little family of ours, but obviously it's internal stuff and a bit dated now, so you will hardly find any objective oppinion. Its xx people against Komo and vice-versa, no point to ask for details and make assumptions.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 28, 2018, 09:12 PM
No, I never thought b2b was all about me, b2b always was and should have always been about enjoying BnG, sharing our passion for the scheme with the community, but you all lost track of that and lost interest, not to mention Mablak and a few others sharing information about notching with the public which we had ALL agreed to keep secret as not to ruin the integrity of the scheme, I got depressed about that and when I was drunk I got angry and jokingly said i'd quit and make a new community, then most of you turned against me because of that.

The truth is, I could have taken control of b2b and removed you all and started fresh, as I was the founder, wormf00d being the co-founder, MonkeyIsland even asked me what I wanted to do about the situation with the community on TUS, but the reality was that you were the people who I thought showed a high level of interest and passion to BnG in the Worms community, and I honestly thought that if I left you would continue to build the community and celebrate the scheme we had all grown to love, I trusted you, what an idiot I was to trust you all.

I now regret my decision because none of you got involved with the community, none of you continued to push the scheme, none of you continued to host any events or try anything new.

You killed the community, it is not a bad thing that you cared more about your friendships and playing other games and doing other things together than being involved with BnG, but b2b was supposed to be focused around BnG and you could just have as easily left and created a new community if that's truly what you cared about.

Ever since that moment, you all grew into some sort of elitist private community, BnG has never been the same, you could have supported the scheme publicly but you didn't, all I ever asked of you all and tried to do myself was support the scheme, no wonder I got fed up with some of you, you turned your backs on the entire purpose of the community and what it stood for.

Regardless, before it all went tits up, still definitely my fondest memories of playing this game was with my time in b2b.

If I were so toxic, I would not have trusted you to look after the community.

The one thing that really bothered me though is, I said "I quit" once and it gets taken so seriously and never forgotten, yet all the hard work and effort I put into creating b2b, recruiting and helping us to grow, the amount of time I spent teaching other players, all the great games between us and all the times I said "b2b forever" countless times, and nobody cares? Just goes to show you the true desires of humans, anger and revenge, rather than forgiveness and peace.

Bah, thinking about this again is depressing...
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: VoK on November 28, 2018, 10:29 PM
In this activity level we discuss who cheat many years ago  ?  Who gives a flying vok just play.....
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on November 28, 2018, 10:42 PM
not to mention Mablak and a few others sharing information about notching with the public which we had ALL agreed to keep secret as not to ruin the integrity of the scheme, I got depressed about that

Wait wait. So you got depressed cause mablak shared a secret to "legal cheating" to the rest of wormers.
Integrity of the scheme, give me a break. I bet you'd be first to pull out old notching tactics if someone put you in corner and is close to wining a game. Integrity..

I wasn't involved in b2b, so won't comment that with you two.
But as I recall you abandoned a2b cause some drama stuff, which was drama only in your head.
You're often the first and loudest when ppl needs to get activated, which is great. But you also happen to be most delicate flower around.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 28, 2018, 11:43 PM
You're often the first and loudest when ppl needs to get activated, which is great. But you also happen to be most delicate flower around.

A weird choice of words but regardless, you are the guy who acted like a "delicate flower" here 1st because someone stated facts about this very game.

I got depressed about what happened when Mablak shared that information after we had all agreed not to. It started arguements but of course Mablak is the frickin golden child of Worms Armageddon and nobody dares to oppose him, so naturally everyone defended him and I fell out with people who I cared a great deal about as I discovered they had no interest in protecting the integrity of the scheme or the foundation of the community, I called them lazy in b2b, lazy to the purpose of which we created the community in the 1st place, and I still stand by that, they have done NOTHING since.

That's what started it all.

I care about people and get upset when things I care about fall apart, there is nothing to be ashamed of there.

Granted I shouldn't have got drunk and said some things I did, but real friends would stick by you and forget such stupid nonsense considering the great times you had with them, the fact you remain loyal and the fact that i've never really truly hurt anyone in a serious way in this game.

But, that's what happens when you let a community grow out of control and let them change the course.

Also, you are welcome to visit me in my home and i'll show you exactly how I BnG, WITHOUT notching.

Truth is, they are the reason I don't even enjoy BnG anymore.

You know what both makes me laugh yet makes me feel sorry at the same time? People keep calling me "delicate", and other things, yet, I stand alone most of the time, I never give up, I can argue until the end of time calmly, I don't need the approval or backup of other people that you all seem to need, everyone else are the weak ones who lose their sh*t and would probably lose control in real life and attack, because they don't believe in themselves and their opinions enough and it annoys them to the stage they actually get angry.

I can debate, argue, swear, insult, and still respect a person, if you actually read every time i've got into a discussion with someone, pay very close attention to who throws the 1st insult, I have acted 1st a few times, but more often than not I am the defender not the attacker.

I am the person who can change the words he uses and find different ways and different perspectives to tell the same story yet all I hear is "f**k you komo" "you always think you are right" etc, and yes, I do, I wouldn't enter an arguement to prove myself wrong would I? I debate because I love learning, I love pushing people to their limits because that's when you truly know you can trust a person on how they react afterwards, that's when you know if a person is truly peaceful, violent or spiteful.

I never hold a grudge, everyone else does, but I never forget, yet I will still help people who need help.

While i'm at it, out of the active posters i've came across that get involved, there are only a few people i've noticed I can talk with calmly around here, HHC, DarkOne, MonkeyIsland, Anubis and Senator. Everybody else eventually breaks down and hurls insults etc.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on November 29, 2018, 01:20 AM


While i'm at it, out of the active posters i've came across that get involved, there are only a few people i've noticed I can talk with calmly around here, HHC, DarkOne, MonkeyIsland, Anubis and Senator. Everybody else eventually breaks down and hurls insults etc.

That is actually one of my very few qualities, I can keep it cool and argue without going overboard. Getting triggered is fine, just remember that another human is on the other side of the screen. :P

I think I can only remember directly insulting someone here on TUS once when we were talking about tapping/keyboards/modding (I think it was here at least), which I admit, I am VERY passionate about. I like to think I would be an expert in that regard since I have explored everything there is to explore. Someone repeatedly telling me I don't know what I am talking about can potentially drive me over the edge. :D

Regarding b2b, I have always been curious how this whole ordeal happened, I have heard both sides but never any real conclusion. In the end I believe that the person founding a group/clan/community should have the last word on any matter because it is his/her baby so to speak. So regardless if you were wrong or right, if you are unhappy with the way someone handles your community just leave and make a better one. Don't take it over. I know I wouldn't have let that happen in any clan I made. It's a dick move and a spit in the face of the founder.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 29, 2018, 01:48 AM
I forgot to mention Hurz as well, he has been nothing but a friend, who also helped me through one of the most painful moments of my life, sorry that I forgot to mention you Hurz, will never forget the music you shared :) We did argue a bit though, but never took it too far :)

dS was one of the best experiences I ever had as well, but at least we didn't end up breaking apart, which I am truly grateful for, they mean a lot to me even if we don't really play together anymore, i'll never forget our great games together and conversations.

Most other people I never argue with, which is good :)

The thing is Anubis, b2b was perfect in my eyes when we were at our peak and everyone had a good friendship, the name was perfection and it meant a lot to me, I couldn't start over again without the people who were part of it, I cared a great deal about wormf00d and others, so much so i'll admit I broke down in tears a few times over the pain of losing such friends, my social life outside this game has been truly difficult at times and those people made me feel like I had a home, it just hurt too much to continue without them.

Which is why I decided to simply lose interest in BnG altogether.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheWalrus on November 29, 2018, 03:40 AM
Honestly I'm sorry I passed on the info about Casso, it was secondhand info that was supposed to be indicative about people making scripts for BnG notching, not an indictment of the man himself. 

I'm not sure if he cheated and I don't really care at this point.

I like BnG. ;D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 29, 2018, 05:10 AM
Thing is though, if you know how to notch, and I mean properly, combining this with software so that pressing hotkeys gives a desired aim, it basically does all the work for you. Casso is by all means a very clever person, but something i've learned in life is to question everything, never believe anything unless you see it in the flesh. It takes a lot of experience and knowledge to see things other people cannot.

Even if DeadCode and CyberShadow can confirm they find no suspicious activity in a replay does not even guarantee that a person is legit, it only proves their methods of detection covered what they can, and it's always entirely possible someone has found a way to avoid detection, after all this is the age of technology and extremely clever people.

I don't care what anyone says about this, I think it's a disgrace to even consider something like this, let alone actually seek out to do it just because a person lacks the discipline and passion to achieve skills naturally. I absolutely despise anyone in life who tries to gain an unfair advantage at anything, who tries to beat their opponents and claim they done it as equals, this is one of the greatest problems with humanity in my opinion, and I would honestly rid the universe of every single living soul who is guilty of this if I could. I want to live in a universe of peace, love, and trust, but that's just me, I fully understand the majority of the human race is full of greed and corruption, especially when it comes to mob mentality, and that I will more often than not stand alone in my beliefs.

The whole challenge in Hysteria, and skill, is doing everything in 1 second, if you have a table or ruler or whatever and know exactly where to aim based on calculations/distances like this instead of instinct like it should be, and then furthermore use something that automatically achieves this aim without effort or failure, all you need to do is get the power correct. This makes it possible to miss shots due to not achieving the right power which further masks the unfair advantage.

You can condemn me for having this opinion all you want, but I have confidence in my suspicions and the evidence provided here finally gives me an understanding and some sort of conclusion to something I was always suspicious of, even though we'll never know for sure 1 way or the other.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 29, 2018, 07:17 AM
Regarding b2b, I have always been curious how this whole ordeal happened, I have heard both sides but never any real conclusion. In the end I believe that the person founding a group/clan/community should have the last word on any matter because it is his/her baby so to speak. So regardless if you were wrong or right, if you are unhappy with the way someone handles your community just leave and make a better one. Don't take it over. I know I wouldn't have let that happen in any clan I made. It's a dick move and a spit in the face of the founder.

We would have to collect every TUS/IRC/private/game replay logs to make it clear and its not gonna happen. I just had a look on how it all started and basically he went nuts at some point and left b2b (removing tag/TUS community membership/etc) like an angry kid over something that escalated in his head, went as far as creating new b4b community and then tried to split us apart quietly, and after it didnt work out (and iirc being inactive here and there for some time) he suddenly came back claiming and behaving like he never left, with all selfish, delusional and even dictatory attidute, negating everything he has said, lying, and boiling all that everywhere publicly, making us the bad guys, so a story that likes to repeat itself and people with common sense know what is it about in regards to Komo. Then we decided to not let him in, because that would mean the end of b2b. Note that while i am not the best example of a reasonable guy, some people in b2b are one of the most reasonable guys in WA's history and most reasonable people i have ever dealt with, like KRD, OoO, GreeN, and we agreed together for the future of this community. All in all, again, theres lots of detail, private shit, logs and things to it that cant be revealed for various reasons,, that its hard to make a reliable story for people not involved to understand us. Also wormf00d co-founded b2b its just Komo was Komo, overactive and took everything very seriously,, hence the common thinking it was all thanks to him, which in part was, but that doesnt make him an absolute owner. That's all i have to say on this topic.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on November 29, 2018, 10:49 AM
Regarding b2b, I have always been curious how this whole ordeal happened, I have heard both sides but never any real conclusion. In the end I believe that the person founding a group/clan/community should have the last word on any matter because it is his/her baby so to speak. So regardless if you were wrong or right, if you are unhappy with the way someone handles your community just leave and make a better one. Don't take it over. I know I wouldn't have let that happen in any clan I made. It's a dick move and a spit in the face of the founder.

We would have to collect every TUS/IRC/private/game replay logs to make it clear and its not gonna happen. I just had a look on how it all started and basically he went nuts at some point and left b2b (removing tag/TUS community membership/etc) like an angry kid over something that escalated in his head, went as far as creating new b4b community and then tried to split us apart quietly, and after it didnt work out (and iirc being inactive here and there for some time) he suddenly came back claiming and behaving like he never left, with all selfish, delusional and even dictatory attidute, negating everything he has said, lying, and boiling all that everywhere publicly, making us the bad guys, so a story that likes to repeat itself and people with common sense know what is it about in regards to Komo. Then we decided to not let him in, because that would mean the end of b2b. Note that while i am not the best example of a reasonable guy, some people in b2b are one of the most reasonable guys in WA's history and most reasonable people i have ever dealt with, like KRD, OoO, GreeN, and we agreed together for the future of this community. All in all, again, theres lots of detail, private shit, logs and things to it that cant be revealed for various reasons,, that its hard to make a reliable story for people not involved to understand us. Also wormf00d co-founded b2b its just Komo was Komo, overactive and took everything very seriously,, hence the common thinking it was all thanks to him, which in part was, but that doesnt make him an absolute owner. That's all i have to say on this topic.

That's fair, If that is indeed what happened and wormf00d, the co-founder, agreed to refuse Komodo his entry back then it is in my eyes a valid decision. With that being said, remember that it's obvious Komo cared a lot about this. Have you ever just apologized to each-other to have peace of mind? Even if one side did "more" wrong than the other, I am sure there were parts of the story you could have handled a little better or different and probably some words have fallen that were not pretty. At this point you could even invite him back (if he wants) unless the entire community is full with Komo hating posts, lol.

Thing is though, if you know how to notch, and I mean properly, combining this with software so that pressing hotkeys gives a desired aim, it basically does all the work for you. Casso is by all means a very clever person, but something i've learned in life is to question everything, never believe anything unless you see it in the flesh. It takes a lot of experience and knowledge to see things other people cannot.

Even if DeadCode and CyberShadow can confirm they find no suspicious activity in a replay does not even guarantee that a person is legit, it only proves their methods of detection covered what they can, and it's always entirely possible someone has found a way to avoid detection, after all this is the age of technology and extremely clever people.

I don't care what anyone says about this, I think it's a disgrace to even consider something like this, let alone actually seek out to do it just because a person lacks the discipline and passion to achieve skills naturally. I absolutely despise anyone in life who tries to gain an unfair advantage at anything, who tries to beat their opponents and claim they done it as equals, this is one of the greatest problems with humanity in my opinion, and I would honestly rid the universe of every single living soul who is guilty of this if I could. I want to live in a universe of peace, love, and trust, but that's just me, I fully understand the majority of the human race is full of greed and corruption, especially when it comes to mob mentality, and that I will more often than not stand alone in my beliefs.

The whole challenge in Hysteria, and skill, is doing everything in 1 second, if you have a table or ruler or whatever and know exactly where to aim based on calculations/distances like this instead of instinct like it should be, and then furthermore use something that automatically achieves this aim without effort or failure, all you need to do is get the power correct. This makes it possible to miss shots due to not achieving the right power which further masks the unfair advantage.

You can condemn me for having this opinion all you want, but I have confidence in my suspicions and the evidence provided here finally gives me an understanding and some sort of conclusion to something I was always suspicious of, even though we'll never know for sure 1 way or the other.

That's why I would actually want a proper remaster with a new infrastructure and true anti-cheat implementation, imagine this W:A was a very popular game, we have no methods to easily find people abusing the engine. Macros, scripts and even speed altering software are able to attack and exploit all schemes. We basically have to manually check players and replays and then conclude with the little information that we have if someone is or is not cheating. I don't think the competitive scene can grow in a healthy way when even innocent good players always have the stigma that they MIGHT be not legit since you can't prove it 100% anyway. This might be the case for Casso, for all we know he was just curious on what can or what can not be done, or it was malicious intent and he indeed used it. We can never say for certain.

Obviously currently we don't really need to worry about that, the scene is crippled by inactivity and not by dubious players. But it has always been an issue in W:A.

Edit: Forgot to reply to Komo.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 29, 2018, 03:12 PM
@Anubis

At some point after what i have described earlier we had a very good looking apology letter from Komo, Auto had a long, promising convo with him and we honestly considered taking him back. What happened after a few days? More shitting in our direction on TUS, so like I said, that very same story which likes to repeat itself. And at that point it was clear he has no intention of returning, add to that his new forum signature "Yes, I really did quit b2b." which is nothing less like saying "they didnt get rid of me, only I have the power to remove myself" once you picture his person next to these words. Komo changes his mind on a daily basis, its known for years. Two years later he jumped out of nowhere onto #b2b channel just to paste a juicy wall of text and quit right after that. I wont copy it here because its not my log, but the content was more or less a threat that from now on hes gonna take over b2b to restore it to its former glory, wear tag, start a2b league again, teach new generation of wormers, host tournaments with prizes, stuff like that, because we didnt do anything worthy with b2b besides playing bng privately and thats not what this community stood for. That's so f@#!ing desperate if you ask me.

Quote
"I know how to get what I want from who I want, I can easily manipulate anyone, by telling them what they wanna hear, being patient and waiting, being evil"
Guess who wrote it sometime before that goodbye letter happened (which afaik wasnt related to our drama, but still).

I dont want to continue this topic anymore, everything has been said, done and time has passed. Theres no comming back, i probably shouldnt even mention anything as it doesnt concern anyone but b2b, but i dont like the fact that people think we are thiefs, dongs, and life ruiners. And since we are open to talk about others in this thread then i took my chances...
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on November 29, 2018, 03:31 PM
@Anubis

I dont want to continue this topic anymore, everything has been said, done and time has passed. Theres no comming back, i probably shouldnt even mention anything as it doesnt concern anyone but b2b, but i dont like the fact that people think we are thiefs, dongs, and life ruiners. And since we are open to talk about others in this thread then i took my chances...

I can respect that. Thanks for explaining it in detail anyway, both you and Komo. In a different timeline you guys are probably still hanging out and W:A is as big as LoL. :D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: KinslayeR on November 29, 2018, 05:34 PM
what is LoL? are  u laughing from us, son?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 29, 2018, 05:45 PM
Oh and I forgot to mention one very important thing that Komo is kinda making up - i can only relate to very first members words, that b2b wasnt what Komo pictured it later to be. Heck, I wasnt joining a community that has some obligations to the WA scene. With time and more members comming, Komo's apetite grew larger and larger, and later started accusing us of doing literally nothing, even being inactive. GreeN was the third member since creation i think and he never was into any scene stuff and it was known. We discussed b2b agenda at some point (cant remember if Komo was involved) and it was clear that we dont want to be some sort of bng scene handlers, we didnt want to take everything that seriously, and we surely didnt want to be forced more and more over time because someone who thinks hes the number one is hungry for some acclaim and has astronomical self esteem when it comes to this game.

Oh and that: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/b2b-b2b-born2bng/b2b-is-not-recruiting-2815/
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on November 29, 2018, 08:53 PM
what is LoL? are  u laughing from us, son?

It's League of Legends. :P
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: philie on November 29, 2018, 10:40 PM
Honestly I'm sorry I passed on the info about Casso, it was secondhand info that was supposed to be indicative about people making scripts for BnG notching, not an indictment of the man himself. 

I'm not sure if he cheated and I don't really care at this point.

I like BnG. ;D

nt wally, but you can't stop it at this point, nobody can.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on November 29, 2018, 11:48 PM
Honestly I'm sorry I passed on the info about Casso, it was secondhand info that was supposed to be indicative about people making scripts for BnG notching, not an indictment of the man himself. 

I'm not sure if he cheated and I don't really care at this point.

I like BnG. ;D

nt wally, but you can't stop it at this point, nobody can.

 :D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 30, 2018, 12:44 AM
It's convenient that you took screenshots and kept logs of the times when I acted poorly, but none of the good things I done or said. This is typical in human behaviour when people truly have a selfish agenda, I threatened to remove you all but truly I just wanted us all to be a solid unit again.

While yes, I did lose myself and act out, it wasn't for no reason, I was provoked in disagreement and arguement, because some of you were getting annoyed and insulted me because I kept pestering you to get more active and play BnG, you act as if I was the only person who said or done some bad things, there were things said and done by other members that there are no logs of, promises made that were not kept, agreeing to be more active, yet not following through... I will never be able to prove some of the things I said, because I had trust and didn't ever think about recording conversations or logs to make you look bad. I don't have documents or recordings to go back and look over and quote the bad things you and others said and done.

You recorded my actions at my worst moments, which don't show the full story, it doesn't show both sides only your side, and you accuse me of toxic behaviour?

My mistake was agreeing to recruit members who did not take BnG seriously enough to be more involved, you even said yourself you didn't care much for that stuff, so why did you even bother to join in the 1st place? The name "born 2 bng" should be a hint for that, you all knew how serious I was about BnG and you all knew how much I encouraged people to be more active and more involved, the rest of the community viewed us as scheme specialists who took BnG to the next level, why is it such a bad thing that I wanted people to be more active and show more interest and involvement in the very thing b2b was created for? Some people looked up to us for our involvement with BnG and I was very proud of that, you should have been too!

I won't deny creating the b4b community, I cannot exactly remember the days leading up to that, or the days after, I remember doing it out of anger and desperation to find out what would happen, I was drunk and depressed when I did this, and it was that moment that truly pissed you guys off.

And yes, I did come back a while later threatening to take over b2b, another act of desperation and depression because that was the moment I realized you guys weren't doing anything to keep the scheme active or contribute and at that moment I wanted to try getting active and doing something again, at least I cared enough about BnG to make some noise about it, but in the end I came to the same conclusion and gave up.

Also, the idea to create b2b was mine alone, I asked wormf00d to join and be co-leader because I wanted someone who had the passion I did for the scheme to help and because he was one of my best friends and the best BnG player I knew at the time, the truth is he never wanted to do this I had to spend a while convincing him to do it, he put more effort into helping b2b than the rest of you combined and he is the real reason I never took control of b2b, I respected him too much.




Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 30, 2018, 10:42 AM
What, of course no one is an angel, but you initiated all the recruitment, you said it yourself, you knew everyone of us prior to that (i bet my balls you didnt really know most of the new wave of people from tus era before invitation), no one has signed to be your orchestra in the future, people joined because they were into bng at that time (some still are, but inactive, including me), they liked each others company and b2b was a premium community, a true distinction, a honor to be in, it was a group from which you dont just quit because you lose interest.  How many quality clans/communities you know that survived that long, and good number of people are loyal and still hang with eachother briefly or even daily?  People come and go/lose interest/have other personal reasons in these few groups,  yet noone's doing a big deal about it, especialy in public and behind eachothers back.
What is the most interesting though, is that you keep talking  about zero contribution to this game from all of us. Be objective for once and look at this list of people, all initiated more or less by yourself:

GreeN
Ramone
surgeon
obscure
Mablak
darKz 
KoreanRedDragon
lacoste
skime
OutofOrder
dilligaf
Prankster
cOke (madog)
Dead
Husk
Dub-C

You must have had good info about all of them before they wore b2b tag and during that time. Some were around for just enjoying themselves - playing casually and hanging around, some, besides that, were involved with beta updates, liga worms, worm tube, movies, maps, guides, wiki,  being helpful to newcomers and pointing in the right direction, or in other projects - directly related to bng or not, some practiced notching, others were sitting only on IRC besides playing casually and rarely, all before and long after joining b2b, some disappeared shortly after joining, shit happens. Anything ring a bell? Check the list of names again or ask others from around the active times, some are still around here. It doesnt even matter how long or how much they were involved, what matters is that b2b shares similar passion, and if we have disputes they are handled internally. You are the exception for the latter, unfortunately, and please dont say you have tried to talk to us like a bro before shit did hit the fan because this is not how it works. Instead you looked at everything from under your arse, like if we had some obligations to fulfill your future desires, and guess what? You turned blind eye on positive things people did as well, regularly, to this day. And me saying "I dont care about these things" is another lie you bring, if i said anything that comes close to that its useless without you quoting context of that talk, I know how much passion i had for this game, including but not limited to bng, which is one of my favourite schemes.
As of logs, IRC keeps them unless you turn them off, replays keep them unless you delete them, TUS also has it all recorded. We all have access to that material, including you, just some people dont bother to look at them and make healthy coclusion based on what has been said and done, and instead rely on bad memory and imagination.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 30, 2018, 12:15 PM
I did not say anyone done nothing the entire time, I said people got lazy before I left and after I left you've done nothing, can you prove me wrong? I don't mean playing games with other b2b members, I mean reaching out to the community doing as we did before. I rarely saw any of you online on wnet after I left.

Nobody was initiated all by myself apart from wormf00d, because he was the 1st to join, we always held a vote, unless you specifically mean send the invite on TUS or tell them they were accepted, that's more than likely because it was a great feeling to give good news to someone, and I was around almost 24/7 to do so.

Not everything was recorded, there were a few discussions in private not via IRC/TUS and I didn't even know IRC kept logs like that because I remember trying to find them after the stuff you guys posted, nice to know for future reference though, although I doubt i'll be using IRC much in future.

Either way, what's done is done, and regardless of how I acted, then my exit from b2b, it's still extremely sad that none of you even attempted to continue the legacy we all created with the community, that is what truly broke my heart.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on November 30, 2018, 04:34 PM
I did not say anyone done nothing the entire time

Thats not what i wrote. I said people didnt change their mindset and what they were doing from right before joining until today, but you kept whining more and more. If anything, they got inactive, which in some cases means losing interest, nothing wrong with that. Its just once you were in you were loud, so people were more involved and WA community as a whole was much more active, after you left things regarding b2b went quiet (mostly publicly) because hey, isn't it obvious. Theres no doubt you were the most into it, at what cost though. You wouldnt be able to change us, especialy not via the path you took.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on November 30, 2018, 06:56 PM
I did not say anyone done nothing the entire time

Thats not what i wrote. I said people didnt change their mindset and what they were doing from right before joining until today, but you kept whining more and more.

I'm not trying to be a dick but you said this:

What is the most interesting though, is that you keep talking  about zero contribution to this game from all of us.

This kind of mistake/accident was also the cause of a lot of arguements between myself and other b2b members, as well as many, many people during my time on WA.

Those words claim I accuse you all of doing absolutely nothing, ever, which isn't what I said, I understand it was a mistake, but please be more careful choosing your words, i've grown a lot since those days and can spot things like this better than I could before and can control my actions better.

I don't understand this, I understand the words but not the actions... What was so special about me? Why did I have to be around encouraging everything, it's as if you say without me there was never a b2b at all, and I fail to believe that because we all made it special.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on December 01, 2018, 07:33 AM
"Those words claim I accuse you all of doing absolutely nothing, ever"
Komo, look:
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Komo's apetite grew larger and larger, and later started accusing us of doing literally nothing, even being inactive.

I said that 2 posts of mine earlier, does it matter?
I could go and spend a few days bothering to find all your quotes said in the past on TUS regarding this issue and we could add them up to form something that makes more sense. Is this really necessary? Im pretty sure i have a better memory than you do.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: sock on December 01, 2018, 07:55 AM
Is it necessary for someone to say that they are pretty sure that they have a better memory than someone else?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on December 01, 2018, 08:38 AM
Nope
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: sock on December 01, 2018, 08:47 AM
Agreed
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on December 01, 2018, 10:36 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 01, 2018, 10:38 AM
lacoste you can't even understand English now.

Of the 2 quotes, 1 means along the way, you started to do nothing, meaning you used to be involved, the other means you done nothing at any point whatsoever.

There is a massive difference and you are a massive tool if you can't tell the difference.

I tried to be nice about this, but you turned out to be a dick 1st, so whatever.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on December 01, 2018, 11:30 AM
The second post doesnt even contain any specific point in time, which doesnt change what i said in the first post. I agree our disputes were often full of pointing out language barriers and not understanding eachother, and its another issue with you, endless misunderstandings, turning topic discussion into choose-better-words-fest kind of tactic, which led to one side getting bored of continuing it. It wouldnt be that bad if it wasnt notorious, and i assure you that there was no other person in my online life that caused so many problems of that kind in a discussion. You love to talk, you are overactive and you often go into unnecessary disputes for whatever reasons, a mix that explains actions without much thinking about it. Also check this (im not suggesting anything!): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 01, 2018, 01:24 PM
I understand English and if someone says something, that's what I take from it, if you say one thing but you meant another, especially when it's an accusation that claims I done bad things, I cannot just accept it, I must either question it or fight it.

Even now you still can't just say "Sorry, that isn't what I meant to say", or "I meant to say this...", you still fight me on it, this is why I get angry with people around there because they cannot admit when they are wrong! At least I admit when I was wrong and acted poorly, I said sorry for the things I done, none of you ever apologized!

See, this kind of thing makes me laugh lacoste, this is the kind of level people stoop to when faced with a person who continues to fight and unwilling to give up like me.

You suggest that I am some sort of evil person, brand me as a dark triad??? That is extremely selfish and toxic behaviour.

Not once have I ever branded any of you with such ridiculous statements, I have never condemned your life or what you stand for or what you believe in, i've only ever fought in the moment and yet still have respect for all the good things we shared, but you, you hold this sick twisted sense of self-belief that I am an evil person who only cares about himself, you do not know of the many years of pain and suffering I go through because I wish the world was a better place, you do not know of my love for all living things, you do not know of the tears I shed when I see acts of animal cruelty or anything else I am passionate and caring about.

I've offered to send money to players to get better equipment, i've offered my hospitality and my house to people less fortunate than myself, I am always seeking out ways to do good things for good people, even when I lost my job and had next to no money I gave a girl £140 so she could get xmas presents for her kid! I've helped and cared for stray cats that have been neglected from their owners, there is actually a cat here who constantly meows outside my window and I throw some of the cat food I have for my cat down so it has something to eat, I even took a video of this before because it's such a lovely cat :)

I did not just 1 day turn round and unleash a barrage of evil upon any of you in b2b, it started with a pleasant request to b2b members to get more active, the 1st time I remember getting pissed off is because a few members made promises to help out with projects and Tournaments, and then broke those promises. I understand life can change things, and life is more important than a game, but when you fail to notify a person you cannot show up and leave them hanging, that is a sign of disrespect which I do not tolerate and got angry about and it led to arguements with some people, and over time it just got worse and worse, then the thing with notching happened and that threw me over the edge.

You hate me but I do not hate you, when I think about you personally lacoste I do not think solely of the dispute between us, you impressed me with your passion for this game, not only with BnG but your videos you made showcasing your skills. I have no doubt in your life outside this game you have your strengths and weaknesses, things you are good at and things you are bad at, you've done good things and also bad things like most humans and I think you lead a life of good intentions but when I say I care nothing about you anymore it simply means I understand that you will never see light between us, but I still wish you happiness and success in your life.

I never once wanted to control any of you, all I ever wanted was for you to either get active, or leave b2b, entitled to rejoin whenever you want as your name would always be there as a part of the community, but none of you could accept that.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on December 01, 2018, 01:59 PM
Lol, from being expelled of worms community to saving stray cats. Impressive train of thoughts. If you continue commenting, lacoste, this is probably just gonna get better, so please do.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 01, 2018, 02:33 PM
So you are making fun of me because I like taking care of a living thing? What the f@#! is wrong with you?? I'd do the same for any of you if I ever saw you starving or need a roof over your head, if you are gonna make fun of me, make fun of something that doesn't include the innocent life of another living being.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on December 01, 2018, 03:23 PM
This thread actually shows who is truly evil or good. I have made up my mind in this case. :)
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on December 02, 2018, 02:57 AM
This thread actually shows who is truly evil or good. I have made up my mind in this case. :)

Wow, that's insightful! All of that from a BnG thread on Worms forum!?


Must've been another...
..one of my very few qualities
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 02, 2018, 03:12 AM
Wow, that's insightful! All of that from a BnG thread on Worms forum!?

This thread was actually about a Funner Forts game then went on to talk about several different subjects.

Forts - Scripts/Macros & Notching - Hysteria games in the past - b2b.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: lacoste on December 02, 2018, 08:05 AM
You suggest that I am some sort of evil person, brand me as a dark triad??? That is extremely selfish and toxic behaviour.

Nope i said im not suggesting anything. I pointed that article because you share some similarities with your online actions, you cannot deny that, its leaking everywhere :) im quite certain you are a very positive and likeable person outside of forums/chats, i always liked you on ventrilo/streams and pictured you as a cool guy, but ffs forum talk differences and stuff like that, you are so f@#!ing difficult/impossible, it doesnt work for you. As for me theres plenty of wrong i did and said in the past, however when it comes to the whole dispute about b2b im not alone with my oppinion, so that saves the day for me.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Anubis on December 02, 2018, 10:19 AM
This thread actually shows who is truly evil or good. I have made up my mind in this case. :)

Wow, that's insightful! All of that from a BnG thread on Worms forum!?


Must've been another...
..one of my very few qualities

I suppose at this point I have to put you on ignore list (the first btw), all you do is stalk/follow me and talk smack, is that one of YOUR qualities? Sad. You were one of the few wormers I had on Steam, what has happened? Look at your past posts that quote me, it's just complaining about my opinion...
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 02, 2018, 04:12 PM
You suggest that I am some sort of evil person, brand me as a dark triad??? That is extremely selfish and toxic behaviour.

Nope i said im not suggesting anything. I pointed that article because you share some similarities with your online actions, you cannot deny that, its leaking everywhere :) im quite certain you are a very positive and likeable person outside of forums/chats, i always liked you on ventrilo/streams and pictured you as a cool guy, but ffs forum talk differences and stuff like that, you are so f@#!ing difficult/impossible, it doesnt work for you. As for me theres plenty of wrong i did and said in the past, however when it comes to the whole dispute about b2b im not alone with my oppinion, so that saves the day for me.

Everybody shares similarities with that article from time to time! That's how so many people in the world are tricked by these stupid posts on Facebook and other places, "Which personality are you?", "The size of your pinky finger and what it means about your personality", "What shape your feet are and what it means about your personality", and not to mention Horoscopes etc... C'mon, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!

And if you "aren't suggesting it", then why did you suggest it? By merely pointing it out, you suggested it, and it was CLEARLY aimed at me, don't play stupid because it doesn't suit you, you are not stupid and neither am I. You even just admitted "I pointed that article because you share some similarities with your online actions" <--- So clearly THAT IS SUGGESTING SOMETHING!

I am not alone in the dispute with b2b either, while I admit some of the ways I acted was completely wrong and pretty much nobody agrees with me on those moments, my reasons for doing so, more than enough people agree with. But for me as it is with you, it doesn't matter if other people agree with us or not, you should have confidence in your words and opinion alone, which I do.

This will literally go on forever so can we just both agree to disagree and both shut-up please?

@Anubis, spot on, that's what he does complain about a persons opinion and the fact that they have one, rather than debate actual matters.

Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on December 02, 2018, 04:30 PM
No wonder you two sticking together, Komo and Anubis. Practically same kind of ppl.
Not getting younger, need to publicly display your "qualities" to feel important again, doing it often as well, overly self-centered..

That's good choice. Go ahead and block me. Cause you know I'll be around to detect bullshit and fight it anytime. And you two - are full of it. :D
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on December 02, 2018, 04:49 PM
Sensei, when Anubis and I get involved in discussions/debates/arguements, we actually talk about the subject, we have an opinion on it and do our best to use facts/experiences/statistics/beliefs etc to back up our opinions.

All you ever seem to do, is complain about other peoples opinions, I very rarely ever see you actually talk about the subject, and whenever you do it isn't long before you feel insulted or offended, then you get insecure and start acting exactly the way you are right now.

If you truly believed you were around to detect bullsh*t and fight it, you would do so in a much more civilized manner, but the truth is you just like talking sh*t to people you don't agree with, regardless of who.

You always aim to attack the person for their personality 1st rather than what the point is that they are trying to make, if anyone is full of sh*t it's you, it always has been.

I've only ever seen you act truly passionate about a few things on here, and that side of you is much better than this side.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: sock on December 02, 2018, 08:24 PM
None of us are getting any younger. Only in heart.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Asbest on December 03, 2018, 12:52 PM
If the shoe was on the other foot and we were talking about asbest, I ofc would think he used it in league.
when did i use some forbidden program or cheat in the league? can u give example pls?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Asbest on December 03, 2018, 12:54 PM
And you two - are full of it. :D
nah, the person is full of bullshit here, is only you
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sbaffo on December 03, 2018, 04:03 PM
Mad props to you asby for the best drama topic 2018, cheers
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Sensei on December 03, 2018, 04:13 PM
If the shoe was on the other foot and we were talking about asbest, I ofc would think he used it in league.
when did i use some forbidden program or cheat in the league? can u give example pls?

Hmmm.. Forbidden module wk_keyremap (not wk_remapkeys) and 3.6.3.0. version of wa doesn't ring a bell? It's weird asby, it wasn't that long ago you were labeled as a cheater, you think guys here forget that easilly? We should put you in that chosen group of ppl that's getting older but not wiser ;)
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Asbest on December 03, 2018, 05:29 PM
If the shoe was on the other foot and we were talking about asbest, I ofc would think he used it in league.
when did i use some forbidden program or cheat in the league? can u give example pls?

Hmmm.. Forbidden module wk_keyremap (not wk_remapkeys) and 3.6.3.0. version of wa doesn't ring a bell? It's weird asby, it wasn't that long ago you were labeled as a cheater, you think guys here forget that easilly? We should put you in that chosen group of ppl that's getting older but not wiser ;)
I used it, i dont hide it, but when did i use it in league, asshole? maybe u can provide some replays?
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: giJo on December 03, 2018, 06:16 PM
this is the friendliest community i've ever seen
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Godmax on December 04, 2018, 09:36 AM
yes
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: VIRUS` on January 19, 2019, 11:18 PM
met him in funner fort game. Is it cheat? notching? or some other hell? any ideas how he does it? he says it is calculations, he doesn't say how he does it, but told all to Virus.


and he said he use some sort of ruler
he used that used the barman,but not quite,but very similar,the details will not
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Casso on September 11, 2022, 01:10 AM
Last night caught by a bit of nostalgia I connected here on TUS to read some discussions and see news and updates on WA, a game that I loved and that for 10 long years has accompanied my life, among the most beautiful of mine life, because this game and this community allowed me to meet many beautiful people and have fun together.

Reading certain comments and certain heavy accusations was truly a blow to the heart for me, especially from people like Komo whom I once took as an example to improve day by day, enchanted by those impossible shots he could do with low gravity.

Many of you will remember the hours I spent every day watching yours replays of the games uploaded to TUS, because there was always something to learn. Even more time was spent playing intense offline sessions where I practiced a lot playing Hysteria, BnG and some Rope Schemes. To give you an idea of ​​the number of games I played, I found an old backup folder from 2011 and 2012. In those two years alone I played over 10,000 games of which over 50% I played alone practicing. I challenge anyone to have played so much. In some offline sessions I spent hours trying some shots until I was able to hit the target as I wanted, I have always been very stubborn from this point of view and I did not give up before reaching the goal.

Having said this, you can imagine how offended I can be when I feel accused of using strange cheats capable of simulating an aimbot, or rulers or systems capable of setting the shooting power automatically. This is even more despicable if the accusations come from a person like Komo who was among the first notcher in WA, (I'm also able to notch as you know). I still remember that he used very high resolution screens to be able to have a better aim or he used a mechanical keyboard certainly better than mine that I played on a cheap 14'' laptop for years where it was impossible even to touch the keyboard keys to move the aim slightly, which is why it was my intention to find a solution that could overcome this limit without having to buy a new gaming computer. The following year I bought a new laptop which finally allowed me to improve my gaming experience, even in the rope schemes and where finally even the keys had a high sensitivity and responsiveness.

I also invite you to watch the replays of my matches, this for me is the most authentic demonstration of what I am telling you.
You can well see, especially in Hysteria games, how the shots are natural and instinctive, it would also be foolish to think that in a second someone can calibrate the aim with a bot and measure the power automatically. This has nothing to do with notching.

I don't know if Komo used such bad words towards me out of frustration after those defeats in TRL (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-108390/), after he kept accusing me for months of being afraid to play against him; maybe I would have acted in the same way because this is human, I do not blame him, we are competitive players and we cannot fully accept defeats, I myself still dream of some lost endings, for example in TEL against Random0, I regret for the mistakes made and I think about what I could have done better.

But what I do not accept, besides the accusations made, is that he spoke like this behind my back knowing that I could not answer and that I would not read this conversation, he did not even deign to write me a message in private. This is truly disgusting.

However, I would like to thank with all my heart those who have spent nice words towards me, such as Sbaffo, Lacoste and others who have defended me. Love you guys, hope to see u soon  :'(  :-[



Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 11, 2022, 04:13 AM
Nice to see you around Casso :)

I'm sorry that things got unpleasant after that game, but that's a literally a decade ago. Komo is a different person now. I'm sure he will reply to this thread if he sees it.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Casso on September 11, 2022, 09:38 AM
Nice to see you around Casso :)

I'm sorry that things got unpleasant after that game, but that's a literally a decade ago. Komo is a different person now. I'm sure we will reply to this thread if he sees it.

it is a pleasure also for me to see you again MI  :)

I have contacted Komo in private to warn him, I apologize if perhaps I too have been too aggressive towards him, tonight I instinctively replied because I was saddened for what I had read.

One day I hope to get back into the game and we will talk about it more quietly during a BnG/Hysteria ;)
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on September 11, 2022, 11:50 AM
To begin with, the accusations I made were spoke about in public, not behind your back. Leaving the game/community does not make this behind your back, it's public and viewable by anyone who chooses to be part of the community and bother to read. It would be impossible to say anything without being in the presence of someone otherwise.

It was also discussed on a public Discord server, I repeat, public, open to anyone. I also accused you at the time it happened, directly.

You were caught on this thread talking about such methods:

https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/81180-how-can-i-hold-a-button-down-for-a-given-duration/

Ever since then although I cannot prove what extent you took this to, however the extent it can go isn't even that hard to imagine and wouldn't require too much time to implement.

Regardless, it's my opinion and belief that you were using such methods. Especially when you compare your BnG skill to your aiming in those Hysteria games. It doesn't add up.

I've never seen anything like it before, and never have again.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: Casso on September 11, 2022, 06:46 PM
This time I will not dwell on repeating the same things, I have already said that that thread was used to solve a hardware limit of my old laptop, with poor results since the keyboard of my pc was not responsive and sensitive enough (if you look at my old replay you will see that I often tried to gently move the aim but that I could not always move it one notch at a time) certainly I have never used "such methods" you are talking about and I don't even care to convince you otherwise, those who know me well are aware that I am honest and that above all I hate those who use dirty tricks, I have often reproached "Easy" who had created macros to simulate the use of an aimbot for example.

You never told me these things in person, you were just amazed by my skills in the hysteria games we played in TRL.

The next time you try to piss me off and damage my image I would like to be notified to have a right of reply.



Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: TheKomodo on September 11, 2022, 07:17 PM
The next time you try to piss me off and damage my image I would like to be notified to have a right of reply.

Sure, leave your address and i'll post a letter.
Title: Re: Almost every shot in the target!
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 11, 2022, 07:38 PM
Wow really? Is this happening? Continuing unresolved issues from a decade ago?

Use the PM system please. *Thread locked*