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Other Things => Clans & Communities => TdC => Topic started by: HHC on June 22, 2012, 05:06 PM
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Woohoo!
From now on I'll just avoid it.
Don't care what TUS rules say about it. They can kiss my nuts. :D
I've already said countless times it was a stupid, incredibly dull, dumb, shitass scheme. But well.. when both redi and unique hit the road (I guess they knew what was coming..) I was so nice, and outright dumb, to agree to light to a BnG clanner.
Heck, I even had the telly on in the back.. I sure was prepared to some torment.
Well, I don't even wanna talk about what happened. If it weren't so damn sad I'd laugh it off, but yeah..
"Chelsea`eS..eS`ssm: zook
eS`ssm..Chelsea`eS: my zook suck"
Yep. It was exactly that. 45 mins of watching the other team throw nades.
Oh yeah and let's not forget. They fired two zooks as well!!! 0 wind ones.. but heck.
The only time ssm dared firing a shot with a windy zook was when he had no other option (back against the wall). Needless to say... it hit an empty stroke of land on the other side of the map and that was it.
You'd think that this is an exception, but I've seen it before numerous times. Zooks only being fired about once every 20 mins. And well, who blames them, what's easier than hitting a nade? It never suffers from wind, all you really need to know is how to do 2 easy shots: a medium power 3 sec nade for nearby and a full power 4 sec one for targets further away.
It has nothing to do with BnG skills. These people can't hit zooks or nades in elite if their lives depened on it.
But I guess that's what you get when you learned your BnG in hysteria repeating those pesky petrols all the goddamn time.
Yap. I'm done with BnG.
You can all suck on my balls for it.
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BnG should not have any rules at all, rules make this scheme ridiculous. (Even more ridiculous than it is!)
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/me hugs HHC and agrees that Hysteria ruined WormNET altogether.
BnG should not have any rules at all, rules make this scheme ridiculous. (Even more ridiculous than it is!)
It is not a ridiculous scheme. It is one of the oldest, most classic schemes that - when played as it is supposed to be played - requires a lot of skills. Go play Hysteria if you want no rules.
Well HHC, I hope you will change your mind sooner or later, I was pretty pissed off at BnG for a while too, but lately I had some really fun games, might have something to do with becoming better at it too? I don't know, anyway, I know I am liking it at the moment. Will change for you some time too. :)
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How exactly is it supposed to be played Ray? By notching nades? And are you suggesting HHC will like BnG more if he improves his skills, which basically means that he would have to start notching like everybody else?
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I think you misunderstood me there Crazy, I'm suggesting the exact opposite. It should be played like in the old times, not by notching each shot.
And are you suggesting HHC will like BnG more if he improves his skills, which basically means that he would have to start notching like everybody else?
What? ??? No and no, first of all who am I to judge someone's skills, I just brought up my example. And as I said, no, it's the way it works today, I find this unfortunate, but I learned to overcome it and shut my mouth and play like them. I don't play cheap against players I know wouldn't do it either. Personally, I would use stricter rules, but this is a community, I'm just one small particle of that.
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Camelo totally stands behind u mah HHC bro!!!
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Go play Hysteria if you want no rules.
Huh, you know, the old, the classic BnG used to have no rules. :)
Btw, I hate Hysteria too, it's broken by design, but this topic is not about it.
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I feel notching is ok against other notchers, in fact, my favourite type of BnG is notching vs notching, the skill and tactics to outsmart and outplay your opponent choosing the right hides, using right shot at the right moment, is the best type of competitive BnG there is, if you are playing to win. (Not if you are playing purely to enjoy BnG and not care about winning or statistics.)
Anyone who wants to play BnG just for fun, won't like notching, anyone who notches wants to win, anyone who doesn't want to win, shouldn't complain about it...
The only definate way of telling if someone is notching is if they are moving the cursor notch by notch and counting the notches to the desired number, because for example, a certain amount of notches will go a set distance with a set power, 4s full power grenades are the most basic and simple shots to notch flawlessly if you know exactly what you are doing.
People can "notch" without "notching", by this I mean, have the angles memorised, or simply have markings on their screens, there is no way to prove if anyone is doing this, so there is no way we can ever have a rule against notching without fair/unfair accusations and/or punishments.
Back when I used to play BnG with only notching hardly anyone knew about it, and I stopped using it because I felt it was an unfair advantage, it's kinda like my opponent bringing a knife to a gun fight... Currently alot of players are notching, some are honest and open about it, others are not and hide the fact they actually do notch or know how to, either way, but i've started notching again recently against other players who know notch or play "lame" cuz I don't actually think it's lame, I think it's fair game, I will still never notch against players who don't know how to notch or zook distances.
In the end anyone can learn how to do it, anyone who wants to learn feel free to grab a few games with me and I will teach you the basics, I feel it's better to know notching and not need it, to need it and not know it, besides, it is actually fun when you get the hang of it lol.
And like Ray, i'm just trying to get on with it lol, no one liked me complaining about it, so now I am doing the opposite, let's see shall we?
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i dont use notches but i use my marking on my screen and i love it because i created it with hours and hours of try
if u dont like scheme all is wrong if u like all is good.. like hysteria tele-tactics
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Go HHC. I loved the post.
Get it off your chest mate.
It's really hard to get on with BnG as a scheme nowadays.
Ideally it should be instinctive skill based on your gut feeling / experience of what feels right...angle and power. You might be on form and play well, or have an off day and not play so well bringing a little luck into the occasion maybe.
But when the scheme is taken apart, stripped to it's core, looked at from a mathematical perspective and put into an environment of win whores it simply fails to succeed in my eyes as the scheme it should be and perhaps the scheme it once was.
I would never bitch about it this late in the day HHC. I remember back in the day almost winning a game with old fashioned techniques but lost because of absolute cheapness. I won't name who it was but it was a pro player who really shoulda known better than to disrespect genuine instinctive playing by throwing whore 4 nades repeatedly just to get the win.
At that point I decided that BnG was never going to satisfy me and so when I play it now I set myself up to expect the worst, if I get some fun and enjoyment then it's a bonus.
If things were different I could have taken BnG seriously all those years ago. But instead I play it seldom and concentrate my efforts on ttrr and play hysteria and other misc schemes for my fun.
But nicely said man!
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Ideally it should be instinctive skill based on your gut feeling / experience of what feels right...angle and power. You might be on form and play well, or have an off day and not play so well bringing a little luck into the occasion maybe.
I agree with this, and miss those days, but too many people play lame or notch now, and I don't like losing and love BnG too much to quit, and actually enjoy notching and playing lame against others doing the same thing, it's still equal competition, and a fair fight in any way to me is nice.
But when the scheme is taken apart, stripped to it's core, looked at from a mathematical perspective and put into an environment of win whores it simply fails to succeed in my eyes as the scheme it should be and perhaps the scheme it once was.
I disagree with this, and guess you gotta see it from my point of view to understand how I can enjoy it, one of the things I hate most in life is being defeated in competition because of luck, I don't like winning in some ridiculously lucky way either.
So for me it comes down to pure skill, concentration, memory and tactics in a notch Vs notch game, it's much more mentally demanding than just shooting and hoping for pretty shots, that's my thing...
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i dont use notches but i use my marking on my screen and i love it because i created it with hours and hours of try
if u dont like scheme all is wrong if u like all is good.. like hysteria tele-tactics
isnt it forbidden according to monkey islands last post there?
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/markings-on-your-monitor-okay-or-not/105/
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if is it
i didnt know and i will stop using it :-[
im new on tus and i dont know all rules
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BnG nowadays is just playable if you know how to notch, otherwise you will get raped by notchers.
A noob like me who doesn't know how to notch, have a 5% chance to win.
However, that doesn't fit with what has been said by HHC, just an opinion.
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A noob like me who doesn't know how to notch, have a 5% chance to win.
Yeah, and? Why blame the natural way of things when it's really your fault for not learning or enjoying it? I get OWNED hard at Elite/T17/Shopper and most of the time TTRR also, I still play when I have to without complaining so much, I sometimes even enjoy even when I lose, but it's still my fault for not enjoying it or learning as much as other schemes, we can't be good at and enjoy everything in life, but we should appreciate those who do enjoy and take the time to perfect it, there is really alot more to notching than just 4s FP shots and repeat... It's just unfair when a notcher uses skills against noobs.
Someone who only knows notching, will lose to someone who knows notching and trickery.
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Frank, do you wanna learn how to notch? Starting from aiming straight up, the worm's sprite changes after 5 smallest-possble-taps of the down arrow, then again after 4 more taps, then again after 4 more. So it's 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, and so on. That's all you really need to know, just have to figure out distances for each angle.
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A noob like me who doesn't know how to notch, have a 5% chance to win.
Yeah, and? Why blame the natural way of things when it's really your fault for not learning or enjoying it? I get OWNED hard at Elite/T17/Shopper and most of the time TTRR also, I still play when I have to without complaining so much, I sometimes even enjoy even when I lose, but it's still my fault for not enjoying it or learning as much as other schemes, we can't be good at and enjoy everything in life, but we should appreciate those who do enjoy and take the time to perfect it, there is really alot more to notching than just 4s FP shots and repeat... It's just unfair when a notcher uses skills against noobs.
Someone who only knows notching, will lose to someone who knows notching and trickery.
Then become a notching war -_-
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So we're down to '
BnG' now and not just G's only, but calculated G's?
I have to agree, it's got all ingredients to make a splendid scheme... NOT
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A noob like me who doesn't know how to notch, have a 5% chance to win.
Yeah, and? Why blame the natural way of things when it's really your fault for not learning or enjoying it? I get OWNED hard at Elite/T17/Shopper and most of the time TTRR also, I still play when I have to without complaining so much, I sometimes even enjoy even when I lose, but it's still my fault for not enjoying it or learning as much as other schemes, we can't be good at and enjoy everything in life, but we should appreciate those who do enjoy and take the time to perfect it, there is really alot more to notching than just 4s FP shots and repeat... It's just unfair when a notcher uses skills against noobs.
Someone who only knows notching, will lose to someone who knows notching and trickery.
So do you think it's my fault playing BnG with my eyes and not learning how to notch?
What to say, I'm proud to try to play it without anything.
Notching is like an auto aim bot in an FPS, and I'll never use that shit.
You can't even mention the other schemes, because there's nothing that makes you hit everyone in every turn, or speeds up your roping, or makes your crates to land near you.
I'm not even complaining, it's just an opinion, like I said in my first post.
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Frank, do you wanna learn how to notch? Starting from aiming straight up, the worm's sprite changes after 5 smallest-possble-taps of the down arrow, then again after 4 more taps, then again after 4 more. So it's 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, and so on. That's all you really need to know, just have to figure out distances for each angle.
Thanks Mab, but I've been in clans with great BnGers, I would've just asked em to teach me, but I just don't like doing it.
I'm just observing that it's an hard challenge to win against a notcher playing normally.
However, I don't really care, BnG will stay there with it's rules, I just made a general thought about it, with a little off topic.
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A noob like me who doesn't know how to notch, have a 5% chance to win.
Yeah, and? Why blame the natural way of things when it's really your fault for not learning or enjoying it? I get OWNED hard at Elite/T17/Shopper and most of the time TTRR also, I still play when I have to without complaining so much, I sometimes even enjoy even when I lose, but it's still my fault for not enjoying it or learning as much as other schemes, we can't be good at and enjoy everything in life, but we should appreciate those who do enjoy and take the time to perfect it, there is really alot more to notching than just 4s FP shots and repeat... It's just unfair when a notcher uses skills against noobs.
Someone who only knows notching, will lose to someone who knows notching and trickery.
So do you think it's my fault playing BnG with my eyes and not learning how to notch?
What to say, I'm proud to try to play it without anything.
Notching is like an auto aim bot in an FPS, and I'll never use that shit.
You can't even mention the other schemes, because there's nothing that makes you hit everyone in every turn, or speeds up your roping, or makes your crates to land near you.
I'm not even complaining, it's just an opinion, like I said in my first post.
I totally agree. All players should play like you
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I think some people have a faulty view about this by the way. As long as you don't do full power shots over and over again, I think there is nothing wrong with it. Knowing what your aim is doesn't mean at all that you are going to hit a grenade, that is only the aim, there is still the power to do, which needs experience and practise.
If you know both the aim and the power - full power in this case, because you never miss that - and keep repeating only that one shot, that's what's lame. Using the aiming "system" for 5 sec/ 4 sec LG shots or 3 sec shots is not lame at all.
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how can the notch be applied on shots with not full power ? :o
You can know only the distance shoting with the max power, or not ? umh
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Notching is all about the angles, nothing else. With the same angle you can more or less know where your shot is going to land if you experienced many 3 sec shots, so you can shoot with the proper power. Same applies to 5 sec LG for instance, but of course these shots require being able to hit the good power and getting the good aim. Knowing what your aim is a big help indeed, but that doesn't mean you will know which aim to use in any given situation. The more you practise the better you get, it's that simple.
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Nothing should be considered lame in league games, as long as it's legal. There may be exceptions to that of course, but surely using an aspect of the game mechanics that could not possibly be identified as a bug is legal. That is to say, there's no realistic way to identify an act of intentional notching, unlike say, intentionally getting extra angle with your bat. Notching can't be regulated, and is as much a part of the game as say, jumping. Also fr4nk, you and all of us who BnG with feel use notching as well, because our eyes are trained to identify the discrete angles we see.
I used to think notching was going to be an easy 'fix' and it would just disappear in an update, but I've been shown that's really not going to happen, and it's not clear that most people want that to happen. If you guys think it's 'lame' in that it ruins the scheme, then I guess you should just stop considering the scheme skillful, but you shouldn't be blaming players who notch, or those who follow the rules.
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I repeat, I don't blame anyone, nor I'm asking to remove this scheme. I will keep playing it my way.
I don't think there's something wrong in showing how facts are!
I'm just pointing out that:
Notchers > normal players
Noob player who notches > any old worms player who doesn't
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Nothing should be considered lame in league games, as long as it's legal. There may be exceptions to that of course, but surely using an aspect of the game mechanics that could not possibly be identified as a bug is legal. That is to say, there's no realistic way to identify an act of intentional notching, unlike say, intentionally getting extra angle with your bat. Notching can't be regulated, and is as much a part of the game as say, jumping. Also fr4nk, you and all of us who BnG with feel use notching as well, because our eyes are trained to identify the discrete angles we see.
I used to think notching was going to be an easy 'fix' and it would just disappear in an update, but I've been shown that's really not going to happen, and it's not clear that most people want that to happen. If you guys think it's 'lame' in that it ruins the scheme, then I guess you should just stop considering the scheme skillful, but you shouldn't be blaming players who notch, or those who follow the rules.
You sound like a card counter telling regular Black Jack players to cope with it because your technique can't be detected.
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I feel bad for the passionate BnG players who think that notching is fundamentally against the spirit of the game. For them they are either forced to notch in order to stand a chance of winning, or they stick to their opinions that notching is bad practice and lose all the time to notchers.
I genuinely feel bad for the game of BnG with all this notching is wrong/right bollocks.
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I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.
BnG should be played with infinite teleports, maybe power 1 shotgun (for making hides) and on random double cave maps (with top erased and bottom cave filled, maximum objects).
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I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.
BnG should be played with infinite teleports, maybe power 1 shotgun (for making hides) and on random double cave maps (with top erased and bottom cave filled, maximum objects).
I played a BnG on a normal island map a while ago and it was pretty sweet. It was definitely a more challenging environment. It turned to crap when one team ran out of teles and a worm landed on the bottom in an impo spot... but basically, just playing on an island (with more variation in depth) and anchor disabled... it could make for a nice game. Add infinite teles to it to prevent people from getting piled (they can just tele away), and you should, in essence, have a pretty sweet form of BnG, without rules or ethical considerations. More like BnG in Elite I guess.
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I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.
BnG should be played with infinite teleports, maybe power 1 shotgun (for making hides) and on random double cave maps (with top erased and bottom cave filled, maximum objects).
You are a credit to the worms world with that attitude.
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I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.
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I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.
Yeah unanchored worms could be great.
Anyway, if notch is allowed and it's a part of the game, there shouldn't be a problem making a guide here in this forum.
New players would appreciate it and there would be more challenge. Someone has time for that?
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Anyway, if notch is allowed and it's a part of the game, there shouldn't be a problem making a guide here in this forum.
New players would appreciate it and there would be more challenge. Someone has time for that?
This is the thing, I've asked many of them countless times to do the exact same thing. You know what the answer was? That on the hands of everyone it would be out of control, because apparently, notchers live in a pedestal high in the heavens, see they know how to notch but only use it when it's morally right to do it. Bullshit. Notchers could come clean, but none of them dares step up, because it remains, they're aware of their advantage against the average, and they want that to remain intact.
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I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.
If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.
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unach and retreat time lol.
on the subject of maps, its only past 5 years or so that they've been flat maps, it was normal for them to be made from the 1 island and all the sides were nice darksiding spots for zooks and grider placements. Notchers would have no idea how to attack these and force players to learn zook curl zooks etc (stuff you see in hysteria)..
Its not just the style of aimming that has changed and the creation of notching, it is also the environment and ideas of how the game should be played that changed.
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I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.
If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.
this. get with it ropa.
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If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.
this. get with it ropa.
The point of unanchored is that hides are much more darksideish on almost every turn thus most of the time you're using bounce shots (either bounce from starting position which you cannot notch, or a shot that you notch to a point you expect it to bounce off to your opponent which makes it less effective either way) and relying on creativity and knowledge of game's physics thus making it more even for a notcher against a non notcher.
You can argue this for pages for all I care, I rather everyone that uses notching and defends it as legit would come clean and tell those who don't know what the deal is, what's the loss? You still consider yourselves good bng players right? Nothing or otherwise that is. I mean, I could even understand it if you guys figured it out, but come on, really? What's the excuse here? I'm curious, do people really buy such a method not being made public because the lords of bng think it'd ruin the scheme?
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on flat maps, unanch doesn't change much for notching, except a few darkish hides like ropa mentions. elite style maps with unanch is definitely a different beast, lots more possibilities on these maps.
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flat maps are just another step closer to bng maps consisting on nothing more than two floating pixels in which opponents sit on.
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Nothing should be considered lame in league games, as long as it's legal. There may be exceptions to that of course, but surely using an aspect of the game mechanics that could not possibly be identified as a bug is legal. That is to say, there's no realistic way to identify an act of intentional notching, unlike say, intentionally getting extra angle with your bat. Notching can't be regulated, and is as much a part of the game as say, jumping. Also fr4nk, you and all of us who BnG with feel use notching as well, because our eyes are trained to identify the discrete angles we see.
I used to think notching was going to be an easy 'fix' and it would just disappear in an update, but I've been shown that's really not going to happen, and it's not clear that most people want that to happen. If you guys think it's 'lame' in that it ruins the scheme, then I guess you should just stop considering the scheme skillful, but you shouldn't be blaming players who notch, or those who follow the rules.
You sound like a card counter telling regular Black Jack players to cope with it because your technique can't be detected.
Isn't card counting totally detectable with a good degree of certainty? In any case, card counting is forbidden by the rules of the casino, even if you do it undetectably you'd be cheating. Notching isn't forbidden by the rules, not just because it's undetectable, but because even 'feel' BnG incorporates notching. There's no sensible way to make it illegal.
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Guys, just deal with it, with the current ways it's played, BnG should not be a league scheme.
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Notching isn't forbidden by the rules, not just because it's undetectable, but because even 'feel' BnG incorporates notching.
An intelligent person like yourself should see clear holes in your defense of this case. For instance, your arguments are void to those who don't know what notching is, because when you claim everyone notches unconsciously you need to realize that those that haven't been told how to notch are totally alien to what you're saying, so in practice, the defense of notching can only be conceived by those who notch conscientiously proving that they are totally different things and thus making it, at least, questionable that you make such argument to defend notching.
There's no sensible way to make it illegal
There is a sensible way, however, to stop drawing the line were you see fit. Illegal and unsportsmanlike mean totally different thing, yet if you either, the result is you being a jerk. And the term is indeed unsportsmanlike because the ability to notch wasn't given to notchers through ability, effort and training, it was given by friends or clanmmates with one simple goal in mind: win more. I think this is a very basic principle everyone can agree to and the reason why people tend to dislike notchers.
And you (notchers who defend the privacy of notching) have an easy way out all the criticism, come clean, explain what's up. But you choose not to which does nothing but enlarge the thought that the secrecy is there to protect something very precious to you, win rating. What other choices are you giving them anyway? I'd say none.
edit: The cards example wasn't so simple. Let me rephrase it with a question: do you know the reasons why card counting is illegal? Do you understand why it is that way? Try and apply the same line of judgment, there's many things in common: defeats the purpose of the game by changing the way you play it, only accessible to certain people, you can use it a lot, use it not so much and unconscionably use it, and last but not least, gives you an unfair advantage over those who don't.
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[...] the ability to notch wasn't given to notchers through ability, effort and training, it was given by friends or clanmmates [...]
I personally never practiced notching, but since I know the way it's build, I'd say that's bullshit. Every shot can be notched, not only 4sfp. Different distances need different powers, different shots make different curves, etc..
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https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-715/ 8)
Unanch BnG, high island maps, no rules. At your service.
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Ah ropa, the insatiable troll ;O. I'll respond to your "arguments" for the sake of anyone who happens to think that way. It doesn't matter whether someone knows exactly how to notch or not, my argument still applies: 'feel' BnGers use notching, there is no way to separate it out, or detect it, OR completely stop yourself from doing it. Your only point was that it's questionable for me to talk about notching when people might not know how it works, but I explained it in my last post.
It's simple to understand, every weapon aims at specific, discrete angles, notching means knowing your exact angle. And I already explained how to do it, works that way for every weapon. All you have to do is figure out and remember the distances for each angle. I'm not personally giving anyone I don't trust a list of angles and distances, because it's easy for people to put markers on the screen and make notching even easier, and I strongly disagree with visual aids or notes of any kind (please remember TUS has a rule against using markings). If anyone thinks a list should be published, they can do it themselves by testing each angle for various shots, it takes about 8 hours or so. It takes time to test, but anyone can do it.
The fact that some people dislike notchers mostly comes from people resenting the fact that they learned to play the scheme one way, when a much easier way exists. But there's no escape from the fact that notching is the most efficient form of playing, and has to be treated as legal. If that ruins the scheme, then maybe BnG shouldn't be a league scheme. Although I think a game of memory and some feel is reasonably interesting, at least it requires you to think each turn.
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I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.
I disagree, I opened a thread and made a cup called 1rBnG (only rule was a distance rule, because once you have more health and turn advantage, you could just step up to them and hit them face to face).
Yeah unanchored worms could be great.
Anyway, if notch is allowed and it's a part of the game, there shouldn't be a problem making a guide here in this forum.
New players would appreciate it and there would be more challenge. Someone has time for that?
On un-anchored maps, against anyone who doesn't know how to notch, It's literally 100% impossible for me to lose, only notchers would have a chance against me but even against then it still makes it easier for me to win.
On anchored, if you learn how to notch, you can hide in "off-notch" areas, which is basically a hide from full powered notch shots, this would force them to use a shot that requires knowledge and experience of getting the power right, and sometimes this is very very difficult, and even easy for an expert like me to miss, this, is really your only chance against a notcher, because even then they still need good instinct.
I have 11 days off from work from July 8th, i'll spend some time making a really in-depth list, but it will be based on my personal way of notching which is totally different from the way Mablak and alot of others do it.
notchers live in a pedestal high in the heavens, see they know how to notch but only use it when it's morally right to do it. Bullshit. Notchers could come clean, but none of them dares step up, because it remains, they're aware of their advantage against the average, and they want that to remain intact.
I only use notching against notchers, I play lame and repeat against people who play lame and repeat, and I play trickery with those who play trickery, I adapt to my enviroment I guess.
I have never denied I started out in BnG notching, but that I stopped, and only 2 weeks ago started to notch whole games against notchers, and repeating etc.
I have also offered in the past, and present, to share the methods I use with others.
on the subject of maps, its only past 5 years or so that they've been flat maps, it was normal for them to be made from the 1 island and all the sides were nice darksiding spots for zooks and grider placements. Notchers would have no idea how to attack these and force players to learn zook curl zooks etc (stuff you see in hysteria)..
That's not entirely true, I can hit practically anywhere with notching, even more so with unanchored, you just gotta think outside the box.
The point of unanchored is that hides are much more darksideish on almost every turn thus most of the time you're using bounce shots (either bounce from starting position which you cannot notch, or a shot that you notch to a point you expect it to bounce off to your opponent which makes it less effective either way) and relying on creativity and knowledge of game's physics thus making it more even for a notcher against a non notcher.
I am pretty sure that 1st statement is wrong, I don't think anyone knew what notching was when BnG was unanchored, it certainly wasn't public knowledge or the reason for maps being more complex.
As i've said to Chicken, I know how to use notching to hit more or less anywhere, even more so if it's unanchored, as far as I am personally concerned, it's just not true, and I base this on personal and previous experience and knowledge of anything and everything BnG related, but I have played more BnG (on Worms Armageddon)than anyone ever remember, I had that silly advantage of choosing to ignore real life for a couple years back then and do nothing but BnG 16 hours a day.
[...] the ability to notch wasn't given to notchers through ability, effort and training, it was given by friends or clanmmates [...]
The only notching I was ever taught was 1 2 3 and 4 bar winds, 3s grenades, and 4s grenades, which I later corrected to be more specific, what I was taught I thought of notching as being "rounded up to the nearest whole" kinda like how TuS doesn't include milliseconds in TTRR, even though it should.
Then I went on to being able to notch every possible shot than can be notched, there are only a few types of shots that cannot be notched, even banks can be notched, but this depends on the distance of the worm-wall, like if you are directly against it, or some pixels from it, even double and triple and quadrouple banks can be notched, but they need to have the land in the appropriate place, the only things that can't be notched are when you are banking at distances from the walls, and transfers, bouncebacks, trapshots etc, EVERYTHING else CAN be notched, but some shots can't be notched due to insufficient turn time to figure it out quick enough and execute, they could with more time though.
I personally never practiced notching, but since I know the way it's build, I'd say that's bullshit. Every shot can be notched, not only 4sfp. Different distances need different powers, different shots make different curves, etc..
As explained above, not all shots can, but I think what I said is what you actually mean anyway?
So do you think it's my fault playing BnG with my eyes and not learning how to notch?
Yes
What to say, I'm proud to try to play it without anything.
Like Cueshark, you are a credit to this community for that attitude, I wish I had the strength to do the same.
Notching is like an auto aim bot in an FPS, and I'll never use that shit.
No, it is not, aim bots are 100% perfect, notching is just like, guidelines, notching is only possible to hit 100% if your worm is open, and full powered shots are used, this would mean having to repeat shots, and we could easily make a "no repeat" rule, which would mean notchers would be forced to actually use real talent for getting power correct and shots they are not familiar with in order to hit you, if your hide is good enough. So far, I think I am the only person who realises "no repeats" while allowing notching, would be awesome, and fair.
You can't even mention the other schemes, because there's nothing that makes you hit everyone in every turn, or speeds up your roping, or makes your crates to land near you.
Notching can be applied in Elite/Hysteria, it COULD be applied in T17, although there would be no point, it wouldn't be useful enough because the only shots I could think of would be the small distance ones, and it would be easier just to shoot right at them lol.
I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
I'd like to chat to you in person about how notching requires alot of instinctual abilities as well, the main reason notching is so dangerous is because TuS allows repeat shots lol.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.
Well, why? It's not like a CO of a big billion dollar company is going to ban calculators because it isn't instinctual, all it is, is an aid, it makes it easier, more effective, more professional, and overally, just f@#!ing better than without if used right lol.
Humans use similar techniques on a day 2 day basis, without even realising it, you shouldn't feel any shame, you just need to see the truth :)
I feel bad for the passionate BnG players who think that notching is fundamentally against the spirit of the game. For them they are either forced to notch in order to stand a chance of winning, or they stick to their opinions that notching is bad practice and lose all the time to notchers.
I genuinely feel bad for the game of BnG with all this notching is wrong/right bollocks.
Personally, I just feel bad because some notchers use it unfairly against people who do not know how to notch, I don't want to notch in League games, but it's more painful to lose against someone notching and/or playing lame than it is to notch or play lame, and I just so happen to know how to notch, so why not? I trust myself not to use it against some newcomer to the game who just wants to have fun, I represent b2b and the fun spirit of BnG, I will mess around doing trick shots and try to show them how fun BnG can be, then later on, when they get owned by a notcher, they might actually like BnG enough and realise it can be played all kinds of styles whether serious or fun, no one is stopping anyone from playing with their friends, or playing more friendly in a2b, or host their own Tournaments on TuS with their OWN rules.
I think people are just a bit scared, misinformed about notching or just don't think inside and outside the box equally.
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As much as I dislike what notching has done to BnG, I have to quote this:
And you (notchers who defend the privacy of notching) have an easy way out all the criticism, come clean, explain what's up. But you choose not to which does nothing but enlarge the thought that the secrecy is there to protect something very precious to you, win rating. What other choices are you giving them anyway? I'd say none.
Frank, do you wanna learn how to notch? Starting from aiming straight up, the worm's sprite changes after 5 smallest-possble-taps of the down arrow, then again after 4 more taps, then again after 4 more. So it's 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, and so on. That's all you really need to know, just have to figure out distances for each angle.
The difference between 'feel' BnGers and notchers is that feel BnGers look at the angle and give an estimation for which angle gets the grenade where it needs to be. Notchers use a ruler (figuratively) to measure out the angle to know where the grenade will get. Notchers also tend to be less likely to vary their shots.
The difference lies in the attitude towards league games, doesn't it? Are you willing to do anything to get a win or are you there to play a game? Considering even professional sportsman won't do anything it takes to win (you see them correcting refs in favour of their opponents sometimes in tennis for example), it shouldn't be surprising that people look down on notching.
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The difference lies in the attitude towards league games, doesn't it? Are you willing to do anything to get a win or are you there to play a game?
Notching and "doing anything to get the win" are completely different things, it's the rules and people who use notching unfairly either way that makes notching dangerous and lame, it has nothing to do with the method, it's the nature of "corrupt humans" that destroy the beauty of it.
Considering even professional sportsman won't do anything it takes to win (you see them correcting refs in favour of their opponents sometimes in tennis for example), it shouldn't be surprising that people look down on notching.
That's not really true though is it? For one, if I feel the ref made a wrong decision regarding rules and fairplay, I will correct him either way, because it's who I am, but either way complaining about a method or style of playing/taking part in something if it is not against the rules and you are playing a serious League match, where the definate goal and the whole point is to win, not have fun, you are being selfish if you think you have the right to complain about this considering you KNOW it's a serious "for the win" game, the times in the past i've lost serious games for being too merciful to my opponents, it will not happen again.
People are dumb enough not to realise that, regardless that this is indeed a fun community, it's a mother f@#!ing LEAGUE, and all the tops players play serious and for the win, and ALL use similar techniques and methods like notching in other schemes, they will always do anything possible to win as long as it's allowed, bottom line, you choose to play "for fun" in this league, so YOU should live with it, we shouldn't have to put up with this kind of complaining from people who don't wanna take it serious.
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A rule about having to change your shot after hitting with a 3sec, 4sec or lg 5sec and not repeating could improve the advantage that notchers hold as komodo mentioned. This would result in less repeating. Take an example where potentially the 4sec or lg5sec shot could be impossible to hit, this may force a new shot after the 3sec was hit that resulted them in using their feel because they may be new to notching and not know how it applies to other shots than these..
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Komo, you know better than anyone that in Elite/Hysteria etc you have a variety of hides, tactics etc.
You can do a pair of shots, ok, but notching in the other schemes doesn't give you the auto win.
Anyway, not every worms player has a good clan, or knows experienced player who could teach em these "secrets", that's why I'm asking to show everyone what are we talking about.
It would be great if you are going to do it, Komo.
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Agreed with Komo, this is a league, the standard should be that people are both allowed and encouraged to do whatever it takes to win within the rules. If people don't want to play a given scheme that way, they should simply stick to playing it in funners.
D1's example about referees is an exception I agree with, however it's different from the notching situation. In this case, the player is simply trying to adhere to the rules by calling the ref on his mistake, to do otherwise could be considered cheating, not merely bad sportsmanship. I think most instances of bad sportsmanship (aside from just having a bad attitude) are similar, trying to get away with basically breaking a rule through some flaw in how it's stated, even though you know the intentions of the rule should forbid what you're doing. In BnG, there's no explicit or implicit rule that people shouldn't be notching, and we can't make one.
Really, trying to regulate how 'politely' players play in-game is just continuing to nurture the idea of cheapness, I feel like that's partly what this is about. People need to realize that cheapness is a totally counter-productive consideration. It prevents skill from being measured accurately, and people constantly develop their own implicit rules about what's lame, resulting in two teams essentially playing a game with two different rule sets, and creating a ton of drama.
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Prankster: I don't see how what you typed has any relevance to what you quoted
Mablak: I find it pretty rich that you claim I'm trolling when your argument is "everyone notches unconsciously". For the record, I wasn't.
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Two of the best BnG players, Mablak and Komodo have posted in this thread. Both notchers, none found notchinng by personal training, study nor experience (even though they might have perfection it by such). One of them claims to notch only against notchers. The other one claims he doesn't trust the community only his clanmmates with the specific method. That's fair enough guys, you're in your own right, but you can't expect people to buy it, simple as, you're being bad sport, and the worst of it, is how you constantly try to justify that you have an advantage in a worms league because of the people you know as opposed to your actual ability to compete. You don't have to justify anything, you're within the law, but you also have a responsibility, so go on, bring this scheme to the ground to the point of no return. I for one, will be glad.
We have guides for basically every weapon glitch and mechanic abuse. We have/had a visual guide on how to tweak your keyboard. Xspeed became common knowledge shortly after being flavour of the month. You'd assume that after so many Bngers learned were taught how to notch (we've gone a long way since sCa) and you're telling me none of them has enough interest in the game to write an in depth guide? They won't. And people, here are the reasons:
the community can't be trusted but we have to trust them to take good care of the knowledge.
All hail.
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I think you missed my point (or at least didn't address it) where in notching you're using a technique that doesn't require much estimation, but rather is a measurement of a standard shot.
You're using a tool outside your own experience from playing games or watching other games and are basically letting a pre-programmed database do the shots for you. Not even the card counters in the blackjack example do that.
You can say that it does require some skill to do those shots even with notching and you're probably right (I don't notch myself, but I can recognise it requires at least some skill), but the same can be said about AHK - if there are no skills to begin with, AHK will not help.
In any case, this is (for me at least) not an attempt to make notching illegal. It's merely an explanation why it completely sucks the fun out of BnG for a lot of players (or at least some).
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Really, trying to regulate how 'politely' players play in-game is just continuing to nurture the idea of cheapness, I feel like that's partly what this is about. People need to realize that cheapness is a totally counter-productive consideration. It prevents skill from being measured accurately, and people constantly develop their own implicit rules about what's lame, resulting in two teams essentially playing a game with two different rule sets, and creating a ton of drama.
This is perfect.
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Komo, you know better than anyone that in Elite/Hysteria etc you have a variety of hides, tactics etc.
You can do a pair of shots, ok, but notching in the other schemes doesn't give you the auto win.
Anyway, not every worms player has a good clan, or knows experienced player who could teach em these "secrets", that's why I'm asking to show everyone what are we talking about.
It would be great if you are going to do it, Komo.
With my knowledge about BnG, if I was actually interested in Elite, and got as good as most of the best players, I would have an advantage over them, check out what I can do in Elite, the hdies I can hit, with notching.
When I played in TEL, alot of the best players (that I played) knew how good I am, and it made them hide different.
Sorry double post, thought someone posted after me got confused lol.
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Really, trying to regulate how 'politely' players play in-game is just continuing to nurture the idea of cheapness, I feel like that's partly what this is about. People need to realize that cheapness is a totally counter-productive consideration. It prevents skill from being measured accurately, and people constantly develop their own implicit rules about what's lame, resulting in two teams essentially playing a game with two different rule sets, and creating a ton of drama.
This is perfect.
Who are the people more vocally opposed to NRBG being imposed in the league? (just wondering)
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Who are the people more vocally opposed to NRBG being imposed in the league? (just wondering)
I dunno, but I hope you realise whatever the answer, it's irrelevant to anything i've said.
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I personally never practiced notching, but since I know the way it's build, I'd say that's bullshit. Every shot can be notched, not only 4sfp. Different distances need different powers, different shots make different curves, etc..
As explained above, not all shots can, but I think what I said is what you actually mean anyway?
Prankster: I don't see how what you typed has any relevance to what you quoted
Yea I forgot to write a conclusion. All I meant to say is learning to notch does require practice, it's not like one of your clanmates tell you how it works and next game you are Komo. (unless you practiced a lot between)
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Ty for the test games Komo :)
I guess I learned something here. I know you weren't trying too hard, but I think that without notching I would be able to give you a decent challenge.
I know now why I'm being pwned so badly in BnG games. On the one hand the boredom makes me focus less and by trying windy zooks all the time I'm missing out on chances to make way easier shots with nades. On the other... there's no way I can compete with all the 'lame' tricks people throw at me. Whether it be markings, notches or repeats with petrols.
I suppose each player has to make a choice: do I join the darkside or do I prefer to f@#! around and go with my gut feeling, even though that gets me nowhere in competitive games :o
I personally choose for the latter. Not necessarily because that makes me 'better' than cheapasses like Mablak haha :D, but because I find it more enjoyable. I don't really NEED to be the best at this game, and at the end of the day I prefer to make my shots with 'feeling' rather than with 'reason'.
Counting my angle, counting the distance to the enemy worm and just throwing nades... It's not for me.
If that makes me lose BnG and Hyst games, so be it.
And then losing TTRR to macro's :D
Oh dear, I should be playing just with the CPU's. Although I suspect CPU5 of using markings too :D
f@#! it
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You're using a tool outside your own experience from playing games or watching other games and are basically letting a pre-programmed database do the shots for you. Not even the card counters in the blackjack example do that.
Quite irrelevant but in blackjack there are strategies that are the the most mathematically perfect, giving the house the the least edge possible. See http://www.onlineblackjackguide.com/Blackjackstrategy/Rivera_Gold_strat.gif for an example of a strategy card. This is the most efficient and mathematically successful strategy to adopt so if you count cards in blackjack you also have to remember a "database" of blackjack strategy (what's the best move in whatever situation) or at least learn basic strategy. This has some similarities to what Mablak is suggesting - that we should all remember our "databases" of notch distances given his commitment to no external aids.
As far as what ropa says, I think you are being quite contradictory here but I agree with part. At first you say that notchers should all reveal their methods to everyone. The next thing you say that notchers are bad because they never figured it out on there own, they were just told by clan mates etc so there is no skill there. I have always from the start accepted notching IF people figure it out for themselves. There are already tons of different bng "systems" out there and I thought it quite interesting that notching bng matches become a kind of test of which bng "system" is the best, along with the player skill in working it all out in 15s and hitting correct power. Then Mablak and some others teach their clan mates their one technique and it kind of defeats the point. If you have gone to the effort to figure out some bng system (which I did, from scratch, despite what Komo will likely say about teaching all of wormnet how to bng etc) then fair enough, if you have just learnt someone elses strategy it's shitty.
Also Mablak is wrong about normal players who do not know about notching, also employ notching in their "feel" game. I have no idea what he is getting at here but it's almost certainly wrong.
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Yea I forgot to write a conclusion. All I meant to say is learning to notch does require practice, it's not like one of your clanmates tell you how it works and next game you are Komo. (unless you practiced a lot between)
I am pretty confused lol cuz the way all these new notchers are notching is totally different to the way I do it.
For example of how strong my techniques are, watch all my games from this Tournament:
https://www.tus-wa.com/tournaments/tournament-410/
Now especially watch the shots at the end against k1ng, at 1st glance you don't even really see what happened, you especially won't if you are using a faster framerate to watch the replays, and even knowing how to notch most people would think it's still luck, but I knew it would do that after I seen angle with the 4s min bounce because of my notching techniques, the resolution I use and the fact I use a 42"HDTV that clearly shows everything bigger and better, it means I can see pixels up close so I can do transfers and trapshots pixel perfect, so I was able to see changing from min bounce to max bounce what effect it would have, and that it would transfer, and just having experience from knowing how grenades react from bounce to bounce I knew 5s would push him down left, and next turn if he didn't move 4s would go right at him...
I don't think theres another single person who would think of that situation the way I did, and that isn't because of notching, that's mostly from experience of trick shots, more specifically, trapshots, something I regulary do without notching also.
There are some shots I didn't notch, such as 3s nades, I just prefer to aim these instinctually for some reason, but all the 4s fp, floorbanks, 5s LG, bunnyhops, and some others, the LG zooks, were all notched.
Basically my point is, look at how good these players are, and look how accurate my notching methods destroy them along with my tactics, some trickery and experience, knowing how to notch, isn't the danger, it's knowing what to do with it that's extremely dangerous, and that is something you can only learn by being passionate about something, and I honestly feel that no one should be criticised for that.
Without knowing "the full monty" all most notchers can do is really throw direct shots and zook, mainly 3s, 4s FP and 5s LG, only the notchers with what is imo "real skill" are really almost impossible to beat, and watching 2 people with this skill play each other is more fast-paced and interesting than watching 2 people miss for 30-60 minutes.
In the world of competition and Leagues, I would compare BnG to boxing and think of notching as like the heavyweight.
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As far as what ropa says, I think you are being quite contradictory
I don't find it contradictory, I believe that because notching is an unsportsmanlike practice that can't be helped the next logical step is to make it completely public in order to maintain an even ground of competition.
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I personally choose for the latter. Not necessarily because that makes me 'better' than cheapasses like Mablak haha :D, but because I find it more enjoyable. I don't really NEED to be the best at this game, and at the end of the day I prefer to make my shots with 'feeling' rather than with 'reason'.
Counting my angle, counting the distance to the enemy worm and just throwing nades... It's not for me.
I just like playing BnG lol, no matter what scheme, what rules, what map, what methods or techniques, for me it's kinda like how TUS Classic League has lost of schemes, for me think of BnG as the TUS Classic League and all the schemes as the different variations and methods of BnG and how it can be played.
I consider myself as a complete allrounder the way Mablak/Random are for allround schemes, I am like that, but for allround BnG.
I believe that because notching is an unsportsmanlike practice that can't be helped the next logical step is to make it completely public in order to maintain an even ground of competition.
It's just your opinion and nothing more than you think notching is unsportsmanlike, some players do actually use it appropriately and fairly, if I could discover a way to prove someone was using notching methods, I would make a rule against it in TuS(simply cuz you have to learn it and some players may not know about it or could be bothered to learn it), but I would still enjoy doing it for fun against other notchers, perhaps even start a small notch-only League or do Tournaments for those that enjoy it.
I am with you 100% on making it completely public, which I AM going to do regardless of what anyone thinks about me doing so.
I realise the way I explain some things is sometimes confusing, so once I put it together i'll show it to KRD or someone who is good at explaining things to people from all sorts of cultures and get them to "ok" it for public display.
With my methods you will all be able to play at least as good as barman/Mablak/Random and probably better, if you actually understand it and use it right.
^^ Don't you think that would be awesome? If everyone was so good actually making PO was something that took great effort and practise? Not just knowing stuff that others don't? Or by being able to playnoobs over and over going 200-0 cuz you can notch lol...
(Talking about TRL here, the BnG Season.)
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I believe that because notching is an unsportsmanlike practice that can't be helped the next logical step is to make it completely public in order to maintain an even ground of competition.
It's just your opinion and nothing more than you think notching is unsportsmanlike
Apparently, it's also yours:
if I could discover a way to prove someone was using notching methods, I would make a rule against it in TuS
edit (spoon feeding for my good friend Komodo because I don't want this to derail into a thousand page thread about the different meanings and contexts of a word) :
Just because you're such a nice guy and only notch when it's morally right doesn't change the fact I labeled it as unsportsmanlike in that context, because I've already stated a couple of times that the reason I believe it's not sportsmanlike is because notchers have an advantage that birth from the fact they knew certain people and not through experience/study. This has nothing to do with Bng paladins that only use notching to defeat greater evils.
I was quite clear with the reasoning being the term unsportsmanlike, if you don't like it, debate it, but please realize that the mere fact that you and some of your bng friends only use notching against notchers has NOTHING to do with it.
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I believe that because notching is an unsportsmanlike practice that can't be helped the next logical step is to make it completely public in order to maintain an even ground of competition.
It's just your opinion and nothing more than you think notching is unsportsmanlike
Apparently, it's also yours:
if I could discover a way to prove someone was using notching methods, I would make a rule against it in TuS
You also obviously haven't read and/or understood the thread, or you would realise I do not share the same opinion.
If you can ever figure it out, then PM me with your answer and I will let you know if you are right or not since you are such a cleverclogs.
Edit: If you don't understand, or think you are right and I am wrong, be polite and ask, and I will be happy to explain what I already have again if you didn't catch it before.
Edit again: I read your edited post after I edited mine lol, I still stand by what I said because I still feel it's fair regardless how they learned it, I feel it's better to teach others because if only 1 person knew, than that 1 person would be considered BnG God.
Just to tell you anyway, I only think it's unsportsmanship when someone uses notching against someone who isn't, or someone who doesn't even know what notching is, it's irrelevant how they came to know how to notch.
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I believe that because notching is an unsportsmanlike practice that can't be helped the next logical step is to make it completely public in order to maintain an even ground of competition.
It's just your opinion and nothing more than you think notching is unsportsmanlike
Apparently, it's also yours:
if I could discover a way to prove someone was using notching methods, I would make a rule against it in TuS
You also obviously haven't read and/or understood the thread, or you would realise I do not share the same opinion.
If you can ever figure it out, then PM me with your answer and I will let you know if you are right or not since you are such a cleverclogs.
Edit: If you don't understand, or think you are right and I am wrong, be polite and ask, and I will be happy to explain what I already have again if you didn't catch it before.
Really Komo, if you took your tinted glasses off you'd realize you're not only agreeing with me by implications (you acknowledge notching is unsportsmanlike ergo bad for the competition by admitting you would censor it if there was a definite mean) and then you go ahead and try to dismiss what I've said?
It's really confusing when you agree with someone but attempt to mask it as you proving that guy wrong.
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ropa, if you don't understand what I said, now that we've both explained in greater detail what we mean, then sorry, we'll just have to leave it at that lol.
Edit: I would obviously make an exception if the persons involved teaching/learning were keeping it to themself for means of an advantage, by what seems to be what mm done.
I am kind of guilty of doing the same thing in the past, by not sharing the information, but at the time like I said very very few people knew how to do it, and most who did know were in a sort of respectful and mutual agreement not to abuse it.
Now things have changed, I want to share it with everyone.
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ropa, if you don't understand what I said, now that we've both explained in greater detail what we mean, then sorry, we'll just have to leave it at that lol.
Dude, we're talking about different things:
a) is it good sport to not use notching against non notchers? YES VERY SPORTSMANLIKE
b) is notching unsportsmanlike (competition wise) because only some people know it for reasons alien to the game itself? YES UNSPORTSMANLIKE
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Dude, we're talking about different things:
No, you stated:
Just because you're such a nice guy and only notch when it's morally right doesn't change the fact I labeled it as unsportsmanlike in that context, because I've already stated a couple of times that the reason I believe it's not sportsmanlike is because notchers have an advantage that birth from the fact they knew certain people and not through experience/study. This has nothing to do with Bng paladins that only use notching to defeat greater evils.
And I argued that, and now you are trying to change the subject, you have tried this before and failed, please don't make the same ignorant mistake again.
Edit: Nvm, you already edited it...
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Dude, we're talking about different things:
No, you stated:
Just because you're such a nice guy and only notch when it's morally right doesn't change the fact I labeled it as unsportsmanlike in that context, because I've already stated a couple of times that the reason I believe it's not sportsmanlike is because notchers have an advantage that birth from the fact they knew certain people and not through experience/study. This has nothing to do with Bng paladins that only use notching to defeat greater evils.
And I argued that, and now you are trying to change the subject, you have tried this before and failed, please don't make the same ignorant mistake again.
Edit: Nvm, you already edited it...
Sometimes I feel like I'm the the british and you're the spanish. You just quoted me... did you read what you just quoted? In that quote, like in all the following posts I'm trying to help you with your confusion. I was clear what I meant with the term unsportsmanlike, I was very clear, most people got it straight, madgod got it, d1 got it, mablak understands what I mean, I don't think anyone that has read it doesn't understand what I'm trying to argument, regardless of if they agree with it or not.
But for some really strange reason, you want to draw a connection between me claiming notching is unsportsmanlike because you don't get that ability by gaming (how many times have I made this statement already) and the fact you only notch when you think it's moral. See? Same thing I'm trying to explain in the post you just quoted. Here, I'm going to put it here for your convenience, so you can compare and understand:
Just because you're such a nice guy and only notch when it's morally right doesn't change the fact I labeled it as unsportsmanlike in that context, because I've already stated a couple of times that the reason I believe it's not sportsmanlike is because notchers have an advantage that birth from the fact they knew certain people and not through experience/study. This has nothing to do with Bng paladins that only use notching to defeat greater evils.
Look, this is the fourth time I'm trying to get into your head that they are completely different things. You and me are debating nothing. I made a claim, you took what you wanted from it and then went on on how you're so sportmanlike because you only notch vs notchers, I even agreed to that being sport because you know, I never claimed otherwise, you just think I have because you don't read, you skip and lines and make up shit in your head, get really heat up and then come and make no sense whatsoever.
And yeah, there's little more to say, please don't drag this any further like in that other thread were you made 2 or 3 people intervene to explain to you how words can have different meanings. In this scenario, the lesson is words have different contexts: just because I used the words notching and unsportsmanlike together it has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with when and how you and your friends use notching or how moral that practice is, I'm speaking about the way people learn how to notch not how the use it.
So because I know how much you want to leave a mark in this thread, please don't waste your energy by agreeing with me by pretending to disagree, because it gets us nowhere. If you want the spotlight of this thread so everyone can pay attention on your claims about making notching public just ask me and I'll stop trying to help you out with words.
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What you said, in English words, was:
"Just because you're such a nice guy and only notch when it's morally right doesn't change the fact I labeled it as unsportsmanlike in that context, because I've already stated a couple of times that the reason I believe it's not sportsmanlike is because notchers have an advantage that birth from the fact they knew certain people and not through experience/study. This has nothing to do with Bng paladins that only use notching to defeat greater evils. "
By saying this, you just said that you labelled notching as unsportsmanlike in such context that it's unsportsmanlike to have an advantage of learning how to notch through a friend, and not just discovering it by themselves, which leaves to assumption it's ok to have this advantage if you learned it all by yourself.
I feel it is irrelevant who knows it and how they came to know it, what matter's how they use it, I feel it's ok to use it against other notchers, and it's not ok to use it against people who play by feeling.
And after I stated that, you told me I was talking about something else.
Are you still going to try and dodge this bullet, this ain't the damn matrix, you don't have special powers that enable you to avoid the truth and the inevitable.
Edit: Just admit you f@#!ed up, we both want the same outcome.
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I feel it is irrelevant who knows it and how they came to know it, what matter's how they use it, I feel it's ok to use it against other notchers, and it's not ok to use it against people who play by feeling.
Okay, so care to explain why you would prohibit notching if you had the means to detect it?
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I feel it is irrelevant who knows it and how they came to know it, what matter's how they use it, I feel it's ok to use it against other notchers, and it's not ok to use it against people who play by feeling.
Okay, so care to explain why you would prohibit notching if you had the means to detect it?
It's just your opinion and nothing more than you think notching is unsportsmanlike, some players do actually use it appropriately and fairly, if I could discover a way to prove someone was using notching methods, I would make a rule against it in TuS(simply cuz you have to learn it and some players may not know about it or could be bothered to learn it),
Edit: Also, I guess the majority of people would prefer instinctual BnG over notching anyway, notching really is hardcore man lol, least at my level.
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I can make that Notchinglist if it's needed, I have no personal interest in keeping notching a secret I don't play anymore and I'd gladly help the community to learn how to notch (even the advanced ones, with trick shots). Should I do it? I am asking because it would take me some hours to make the guide and don't want it wasted.
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I would make a rule against it in TuS(simply cuz you have to learn it and some players may not know about it or could be bothered to learn it),
So you're saying notching should be prohibited because it's not known to everyone. (assuming we had the means to)
Yet you're arguing that I say notching is unsportsmanlike for the league because not everyone knows it.
Ok. We done yet?
edit: don't care if we're not. I am. You figured it was a good idea to nit pick on a phrase, take it out of context and start a parallel argument that doesn't move us forward in the decision making and you refuse to realize it ain't. I usually have a hard time dropping it myself, but when one but three people inform me that logic and Komo don't mix together these days it's time we call it day and actually continue talking about were we were previous to your incursion and crusade against my use of semantics.
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So you're saying notching should be prohibited because it's not known to everyone. (assuming we had the means to)
Yet you're arguing that I say notching is unsportsmanlike for the league because not everyone knows it.
Ok. We done yet?
No, I am saying notching should be prohibited from TuS Leagues, as there are alot of players who may never speak the languages we use, so unless there was a fullproof way that everyone could read all the information they need before playing any League games, I would have a rule against it.
And also, if you read back, notice I said it's what I would do, I never said anyone would agree with it or like the idea, it's just my personal thoughts.
And actually, you said notching is unsportsmanlike if people learnt through a friend or clanmate etc, which kind of implied it's ok if they learn on their own because you didn't say otherwise, if that isn't what you meant, then it's ok to admit you were wrong before and want to correct yourself, I don't mind.
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I dont see a problem with notching, I dont see how it can be frowned upon as its a technique anyone can learn and it's an efficient way to predict shots. You can't whine about it when you can learn how to do it yourself, and I don't commend people for having an "I don't notch because im not lame" attitude. I've never bothered to learn how to do it because I don't like BnG.
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I can make that Notchinglist if it's needed, I have no personal interest in keeping notching a secret I don't play anymore and I'd gladly help the community to learn how to notch (even the advanced ones, with trick shots). Should I do it? I am asking because it would take me some hours to make the guide and don't want it wasted.
You should!! Keeping notching knownledge as a secret, would just make it look like something "unfair" used only by good clans.
People will choose how to play BnG that way.
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Will be funny if loads of people start notching, some get really good at notching and some random people who were never good at BnG before suddenly become BnG superstars :D
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Will be funny if loads of people start notching, some get really good at notching and some random people who were never good at BnG before suddenly become BnG superstars :D
That goes against everything that has been said by the good BnGers in this post!
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Will be funny if loads of people start notching, some get really good at notching and some random people who were never good at BnG before suddenly become BnG superstars :D
That goes against everything that has been said by the good BnGers in this post!
We'll soon see won't we. When/If Anubis kindly creates this elusive document.
My faith in BnG was lost moons ago. I will happily learn to notch and get some revenge on the notchers who have (in my opinion) cheapened the BnG experience. Maybe it will merge with my instinctive aiming ability to give me some hope of competing with the big boys.
If I was really passionate about BnG as a scheme then I most likely wouldn't do this. But hey, it's just a game, I don't BnG much anyway, I only really care for rope and sheep anyway. Meh, I'm ready to step into the darkside......who's with me????
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If anyone (who knows I'd consider them trustworthy) wants my notching notes, PM me. My only requirement is that you dont use any visual aids or notes when playing, and you don't give the notes to anyone who wouldn't do the same.
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If anyone (who knows I'd consider them trustworthy) wants my notching notes, PM me. My only requirement is that you dont use any visual aids or notes when playing, and you don't give the notes to anyone who wouldn't do the same.
No one is trustworthy.
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If anyone (who knows I'd consider them trustworthy) wants my notching notes, PM me. My only requirement is that you dont use any visual aids or notes when playing, and you don't give the notes to anyone who wouldn't do the same.
You have notes lol? I just remember everything lol.
Notes are a visual aid, and you can't tell if someone is using them unless we forced webcams or something which would be insane lol, I guess you don't use them though, why you still have them?
Btw, not directed at you now Mablak, i've already offered to make an in-depth list and tutorial but if Anubis wants to do it that's cool, he uses more or less the same method I do anyway, I think he even uses the same res, 1152?
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Im with u cue ;D
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Mab don't give a full list of notes out, you can explain the basics such as calculating your angle and people can work the rest out on their damn own. At least don't make it too easy for people, if they want to do it it takes some time and independent thought.
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Mab don't give a full list of notes out, you can explain the basics such as calculating your angle and people can work the rest out on their damn own. At least don't make it too easy for people, if they want to do it it takes some time and independent thought.
I like this idea, however, it will spread anyway, and if it does, it's more fair to have the technics in public. Everyone can decide if they want to use a full guide or work it out for themselves.
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Mab already gave the basics out here and personally I'd write a guide too if people want it. I'm well past the "omg notching has to be kept secret" time. :D
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I'd like to have a nice (and deep in detail with replay and stuff :D) guide to notch. I've never been able to fully understand how it works.
Even if I do think you can compete against a notcher without notching it feels for me like all the xspeed thingy. The community is better knowing it :)
On the topic, hhc I might play tonight and don't worry I won't ask you to bng :p
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Since I am noob in map making I just made a .jpg that you need to put in your import folder and load the map with the "disc" symbol in your W:A editor.
Place your worm like mine shown in the replay, each crosshair movement is counted as 1. This showcases 4sec fullpower notching. Like Mab already said, the weapon moves at 5,9,13 etc... this is important to memorize so you don't need to count the little tiny crosshair movements but rather the big steps (you memorize the angle for each notch with practice anyway)
Ok now for actual combat use you need to move your screen just so you can't see your worm anymore that's how you measure your distance to an opponent worm if he stands on 9 for example you can just notch to 9 (by single steps) or by going straight to the 2nd weapon movement which is 9 too.
The pixel values are roughly:
Step1: 116
Step2: 229
Step3: 351
Step4: 464
Step5: 594
Step6: 702
Step7: 814
Step8: 927
Step9: 1024 (see why 1024xxxx is such a good resolution? ;)
Step10: 1138
Step11: 1236
Step12: 1340
Step13: 1434
Step14: 1524
Step15: 1610
Since I work on 1680x I stopped there but it covers almost the entire map, you can switch to 1920 and make it cover the whole map if you want.
Also note: the further away your worm stands the least effective a 4sec FP gets, you can clearly see in the replay that the explode radius shifts higher and higher, that means if your opponent stands higher or lower than you, you have to keep that in mind, this will also be covered in the next part where I will explain 3sec nades.
P.S.: HOW THE f@#! DO I RECORD W:A? fraps doesn't work I would just comment the stuff I am doing on the fly rather then write down essays.
Keep in mind these values are not 100% accurate and the pixel values may differ approx 10 pixels around but you will definitely get the idea by watching and reading this.
I will do 3sec tomorrow or later this evening.
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P.S.: HOW THE f@#! DO I RECORD W:A? fraps doesn't work I would just comment the stuff I am doing on the fly rather then write down essays.
Press PgDn and chat with yourself :) What you write will be shown as yellow /anon messages.
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P.S.: HOW THE f@#! DO I RECORD W:A? fraps doesn't work I would just comment the stuff I am doing on the fly rather then write down essays.
Press PgDn and chat with yourself :) What you write will be shown as yellow /anon messages.
Thanks!
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Doh, these are the only things that i already knew lol i discovered them about 2 weeks ago, but i'm curious to know how can a player notch without using the full power. I saw also players that notch with strong wind using zook.
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How do you know the distance in pixel ? How do you do when there are cliff and hole ? How do you do in casso case ?
Edit: Is there map where notch is impossible ?
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P.S.: HOW THE f@#! DO I RECORD W:A? fraps doesn't work I would just comment the stuff I am doing on the fly rather then write down essays.
edit: nvm missed a post
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Playing WITH the wind:
Since I can comment in-game now I will just use that to explain it. :D
Keep in mind that I am VERY RUSTY! An experienced and active notcher can do accurate shots with any wind.
Yes, you can notch every zooka in the game, even lg ones.
Not using fullpower is to adjust your angle, if you opponent stands inbetween 7 and 8 you go to 8 and do 1 bit of less power, this also counts for zooks.
I opened the map in MS paint where I marked the #s where the impact will be, that also shows the pixel values there. :)
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Everybody notching in 3..2..1...
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RIP BnG :D
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in this thread, TUS bNg becomes a 4s full power fest.
it works the same for other shots, you will just all have to go into an offline game and test it out for yourselves.
5s lg and so on is slightly more difficult in that you have to get the correct power but after that you can determine where about they land.
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barman says:
I don't really support giving away the all the notching distances to everyone, how about letting people put some effort to understand the game physics?
I can help a little with some of game engine specifics:
The gravitational acceleration equals 600 pixels per second squared without LG and 300 pixels per second squared with LG.
There are 75 power levels, each one adds 16 pixels per second to the initial velocity.
A full power shot (doesn't matter if it's bazooka/grenade/petrol/mortar etc.) has an initial velocity of 1200 pixels per second.
For bazooka, an n-bar wind adds a horizontal acceleration of 71.4n pixels per second squared.
Everyone a knowledge of newtonian physics should be able to determine the distances on their own.
add on from bar: there are 128 crosshair positions between vertical down and vertical up
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I don't really support giving away the all the notching distances to everyone, how about letting people put some effort to understand the game physics
this. I don't do Newtonian physics but you can also work it out with trial and error in an offline game (hint: sdet helps).
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Nerd must be :D
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Playing AGAINST the wind:
The stronger the wind gets, the more angle you need, that's all there is to - wind. ;)
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I can help a little with some of game engine specifics:
The gravitational acceleration equals 600 pixels per second squared without LG and 300 pixels per second squared with LG.
There are 75 power levels, each one adds 16 pixels per second to the initial velocity.
A full power shot (doesn't matter if it's bazooka/grenade/petrol/mortar etc.) has an initial velocity of 1200 pixels per second.
lol, Im sure ill be able to hit any worm now I know this xD
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Don't think it's really needed that I further contribute to this topic since these values have been listed which are even more accurate than mine. :)
I wonder what happens with BnG now though. If you strip BnG down it's just a static plain and simple math scheme.
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notch all u want, u wont win any more bng games than before.
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notch all u want, u wont win any more bng games than before.
Why are you so defensive already?
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I am not sure why I'm being defensive, it's just me =) maybe insecure?
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barman says:
I don't really support giving away the all the notching distances to everyone, how about letting people put some effort to understand the game physics?
I can help a little with some of game engine specifics:
The gravitational acceleration equals 600 pixels per second squared without LG and 300 pixels per second squared with LG.
There are 75 power levels, each one adds 16 pixels per second to the initial velocity.
A full power shot (doesn't matter if it's bazooka/grenade/petrol/mortar etc.) has an initial velocity of 1200 pixels per second.
For bazooka, an n-bar wind adds a horizontal acceleration of 71.4n pixels per second squared.
Everyone a knowledge of newtonian physics should be able to determine the distances on their own.
add on from bar: there are 128 crosshair positions between vertical down and vertical up
Wow, that's nice! Now I only need to find that book with the physical formulas! :)
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I wonder what happens with BnG now though. If you strip BnG down it's just a static plain and simple math scheme.
I've [/beep] a young beautiful girl tonight and it was so goddamn awesome!
If you strip [/beep] down it's just a friction of two meats which results in releasing some liquids. :'(
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Edit: Is there map where notch is impossible ?
No, but, you can hide from notching, and you can use the fact your opponent is notching against you by forcing them to use shots that require actual talent and practise, but this is something you have to learn yourself.
lol, Im sure ill be able to hit any worm now I know this xD
I can bet my life that you can't lol, I ain't having a dig at you or saying it in a bad tone, it's kinda like having stabilisers on a bicycle, for example, they hold a bike straight so you don't have to worry about falling over, notching just holds you in place with the right aim for most shots, only full power shots @ worms with no cover are 100% successful, all other types of shots need extremely quick reflex skills and practise to get the power right, not to mention the fact that you can hide from any type of shot if you have alot of experience with all kinds of BnG gameplay.
For example, you can hide from notching and use trick shots, if you are good enough, if you aren't they will probably open you up or move so they can notch you, this is where I feel I have advantage over any notcher without normal BnG experience, I see things they just don't or won't.
notch all u want, u wont win any more bng games than before.
They probably will actually.
Kai, we both use the "each notch is 1" guideline, but I use a different resolution, and generally do alot of things different from how you mentioned, most of my notching is actually really instinctual compared to the way you guys all do it...
Like, full power shots is basically the same, but all the imbetween shots, I more or less just guess the notches and power difference etc, and I just know what's right and what's not because of how much I have played and my screen is f@#!ing huge, I look at the notches I have and just "know" if it will "get in" or not.
This is more than likely why I am still a really really accurate player without notching then...
Edit:
I feel you guys have gave out way too much information than you should have, the whole pixel thing etc is too much, people can write all this down and use it as a visual aid, which is cheating, and we have no proof, so, thanks for ruining that...
Coulda just told them, each notch we regard as "1" tell them how many notches make up a full screen for each resolution and left it at that...
That's all I was told, I learned everything on my own, I even taught my self more than anyone else knows (on their own), I actually feel cheated against if they have all THAT information without even f@#!ing caring or trying...
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Komo, I think nail was doing sarcasm :).
Trust me, I have no idea how to use it. For me it is just number and I don't have any idea how to use it ^^.
I guess it is the same for most of non notcher.
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Love your posts Komo.
This place wouldn't be the same without ya.
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Ah, if you was being sarcastic Nail sorry I didn't see it lol ;D
Thanks Cue lol :-[
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Edit: Is there map where notch is impossible ?
No, but, you can hide from notching, and you can use the fact your opponent is notching against you by forcing them to use shots that require actual talent and practise, but this is something you have to learn yourself.
This is why I mentioned unanchored BnG at the beginning of the thread. Because it allows a non notcher to pull off what you just explained. Doesn't take away the fact it requires skill, obviously.
It's good that a proven Bnger states it as opposed to an inactive old school troll that's up to no good.
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Yes, but at the same time, it still makes it easier for a notcher to put the pressure on a non-notcher, and limit their shots, you have to be really really good to succeed at trick shots and playing against a notcher.
But the point is, un-anchored is easier against notchers than anchored, it's harder to avoid when anchored, we can agree on this?
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That's all I was told, I learned everything on my own, I even taught my self more than anyone else knows (on their own), I actually feel cheated against if they have all THAT information without even f@#!ing caring or trying...
The point is Komo that there were already people who had that information because it was told to them (regardless of the different amount of work put in to learn/master notching amongst the different notchers). You shouldn't feel any more cheated than before, the only difference it's that it's not some people anymore, but all people.
But the point is, un-anchored is easier against notchers than anchored, it's harder to avoid when anchored, we can agree on this?
yeah of course we can
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The point is Komo that there were already people who had that information because it was told to them (regardless of the different amount of work put in to learn/master notching amongst the different notchers).
Who?
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The point is Komo that there were already people who had that information because it was told to them (regardless of the different amount of work put in to learn/master notching amongst the different notchers).
Who?
I don't know, but surely the the authors of the notching guides here shared their finds with others prior to posting here?
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Notching guides lol, I can't believe what I am hearing lol.
I have absolutely nothing wrote down, everything I know is memory...
Can't believe some people use notes n stuff lol.
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You think some guy drew a notch guide on a paper, same size than screen, with indications ? XD
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Notching guides lol, I can't believe what I am hearing lol.
I have absolutely nothing wrote down, everything I know is memory...
Can't believe some people use notes n stuff lol.
Komo for your own good put more effort into understanding people.
I'm speaking of the stuff people has written here, they are notching guides of sort to explain the details of notching to everyone, and more are coming apparently. You said you felt cheated because those people shared information that took you effort to learn, I was only highlighting the fact that you shouldn't feel cheated, at least not more than before, because whilst they have written all that down here for the convenience of non notchers willing to learn, that doesn't take away the fact that most likely they had already shared said information with their clanmates / friends, so what's changed?
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lol komo you really are the master of mis-understanding/not reading things
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Well, I know what i'm on about lol ;D
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The point is Komo that there were already people who had that information because it was told to them (regardless of the different amount of work put in to learn/master notching amongst the different notchers).
Who?
I don't know, but surely the the authors of the notching guides here shared their finds with others prior to posting here?
Actually, no, the only person I talked intensively and in detail was with DarK aka René, (that's years ago when we actually met irl) but he knew about it already so we were on an even level. Because when I was playing active I measured it as a big achievement for myself since I didn't even knew notching (the term that is) existed I just sat down and told myself: There must be a pattern in BnG so I did all kinds of shots.
I don't think it's necessary to post all shots possible to notch, that would be too much hand holding. Of course LG needs a different notch table and not the map I provided, that's a no LG map. But if you are highly interested as a BnGer to learn even more, you can go from there and find it out yourself.
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The point is Komo that there were already people who had that information because it was told to them (regardless of the different amount of work put in to learn/master notching amongst the different notchers).
Who?
I don't know, but surely the the authors of the notching guides here shared their finds with others prior to posting here?
Actually, no
You can talk only for yourself.
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Komo, I think nail was doing sarcasm :).
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This Anubis notching guide is too complicated, someone's gonna reveal "the thumb technique" for the zillians and russians under 14 yrs old? ;x
Visual aids are also very useful if you want to win league BnG game! It's all down to simple math! There's an easy way to make a visual aid with a piece of paper, I can make a tutorial how to make it right here! Anyone interested?
They say there's a rule against visual aids, but it's not valid, it's just a hoax. It's the same as if we had a non smoking rule while playing - "It's not allowed to smoke while playing hysteria"! Lies, no one can control that.
So, if anyone wants to know how to notch and to use visual aids for a certain win in bng just PM me, I sell it cheap.
Be a champion! Only 19,99$
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I tried to make a complete visual aid (with the nade curve...) in order to show everyone where the "notching" nade would go in order to avoid notcher ! Unffortunately, it is just too long to take screenshot of everynotch possible and to draw it :D.
My point was to make it public in order to better avoid it. Also, who knows we could have think of making a rule to forbid max 4 sec shot.
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You could just print out the map I made, no need to make so much effort. ;)
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avirex says:
did i really just read these 9 pages? holy shit... well yes, and no... haha there were alot of komo, and ropa posts i just skimmed through.
this pretty much confirms what i have been saying all along, ropa.. your looking for any thread you can jump into and do you usually know it all posts, and debate your ass off, as if your some no-name lawyer who just caught his career changing case!...
except you were wrong on many things you said, im really not here to debate any of that, because i dont care to hear a post back from you...
i just want to say a couple of things- everyone thinks that mm is full of notchers... (mainly because recently everyone likes to hate on mm, but thats cool, it only fuels us) everyone thinks Mablak came to mm and said ok guys, meet me in RH# on such and such time and date, and your all going to learn to notch if you like it or not, we are going to be top bng clan... "b2b who?" :DDDDDDDDDDDD
that never happened, i think it started in a game of ttrr, and i think it was free who was interested in getting tips...
Mablak made a post in mm private, and a little demonstration map that showed some angles, and distances (i would imagine just like anubis map, but i did not look at his)
mm gave it a try, we all were on the map at some point or another... i learned some of the angles, and for a very short lived moment i was determined to learn notching, but then i just decided i would rather play by feel.... (and me and shy are the best damn feel bnger team when we are feeling out game.... we almost took out komo and wormf00d in a 2v2 bng tourny.. that was epic for me... komo may not remember it tho lol)
as far as others learning, and practicing it i dont know what their reasoning was not to try it... shy was against it from the start i know that... not for the fact he is against notching, he is just more for feel bng, and laughed at all the numbers angles etc.
the only mm member, as everyone can see (yet still say all of mm is notchers) that got into notching is barman, and no1 is trying to hide that... barmans brain is like a sponge, he took these numbers and ran with them, he started posting distances and shots and crazy shit that i dont think mablak ever even considered...
in our private forum we have a bng topic that is loaded with shit 75% of this community would never even bother reading if it was released... not to mention understand.
so anyone that thinks ok that this golden information that anub released is their ticket to bng fame... guess again... im sure some of you took the map and got bored of it in 10 minutes... maybe others in an hour, some maybe will last a day....
but if you really wanna be great, be prepaired to spend a week+ and many hours dedicated to this practice, and then you earned it!! its not like anything is just given to you with notching...
you guys are comparing notching with xspeed its retarded.
i will be out of the entire community... no more then 5 of you take the time its needed to learn notching after this thread...
all that will happen is exactly what i think it was maddogg said.... its going to turn into a 4s full power f@#!fest of people now thinking they are pro cuz they can hit that shot each and every time.
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Avirex is banned for a reason Peja. Kinda circumvents the ban when you post on his behalf doesn't it?
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its about freedom of speech, you know?
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Well if he is muted or banned (would like to know why though), he probably violated his right for freedom of speech.
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Avirex is banned for a reason Peja. Kinda circumvents the ban when you post on his behalf doesn't it?
I don't think many people are going to read it anyway, I did because I have too much free (and don't play worms) time so here is the TL;DR version:
ropa sucks everything he says is wrong, mm earned the right to notch by being super cool or some shit and people don't deserve to know this because people are dumb
On a personal note, never knew avirex notched; this is kind of good news for everyone willing to get into notching, if he managed...
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ahaha just read the 1st post, so funny HHC!!! u should be out of ur legs!
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u could at least read the following 10 pages lol
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Is there a disadvantage of applying the behaviour for max power shots found in the /test mode to the actual game? After reaching the maximum power, the bar goes back to the initial position. This gets rid of notching both bazookas and grenades.
I'm personally not against notching and I know how it works, yet I think that applying such a small change would make the bng/any default scheme more enjoyable for everyone. Can anyone name any flaws of this?
It's kind of funny how notching was present in worms for years now, but the community realized it and recognized it as a problem just now.
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van it's because many people has learned it at this time.
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u could at least read the following 10 pages lol
I started but when i saw u answered, I knew it was pointless to keep reading.
Each time u write something it's out of the topic, like me I guess !
Jessica's addict! :p
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mwuahah i didnt post in this thread be4 u did héhé
btw jess got a new truck :D
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Lies u deleted ur message ! :p
a truck with free candy on it? :p
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nop, its free sodom rofl