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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: THeDoGG on December 16, 2010, 12:32 PM
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As suggested Dub-C in another thread, it would be so cool to have a Roper League here!!
This poll is to know if a roper league would work or not in TUS. Please vote !
Edit :
Please, tell us YES or NO if you would register/play in a roper league. We want to know if this concept would work, and if such a league would be active. Hosted by TUS or somewhere else.
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No ;)
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No ;)
NO
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yes ;)
o/ my fada bitch dogg turdy
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I voted no, and no offence by my vote mate, I explain why with paste from other thread:
I think it should stay the way it is, it's a good idea from Johnny absolutely nothing wrong with showing enthusiasm and respect for a scheme, but surely we can't have single scheme leagues popping up everywhere now can we?
Classic League - For All-Round competition with single scheme statistics/standings, the most common and most popular on Wnet, always will be in any league.
Free League - For all those less popular and uncommon yet still challenging/interesting and competitive schemes, some people take it serious, which is good, but the majority who play it, just enjoy the less popular schemes at a more relaxed yet competitive level.
Elite League - The most popular scheme on TUS, with such global interest and challenge, this scheme deserves to have it's own league.
This is all we need in my opinion, things are running smoothly and extremely active at the moment, all 3 of these leagues see constant activity, even Free league is picking up, I don't see why Roper League is relevant, sure, people will play it, but nowhere near as much as Classic/Elite Leagues, I honestly think it's time to put the foot down and say no more new leagues.
It'd be a shame for all the people who really enjoy Free League and Elite League if you were to change them/get rid of them.
I honestly don't see why we need anything else really, does anyone else?
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I voted no, and no
+1 for you :)
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I voted no, and no
+1 for you :)
LOL, nice play on words xD
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Fake quote !!! xDDD
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no, can't u play ur god damn roper in classic league ffs!
oh and for extra in worms community we have had elite league aside from the classic league and everyone's been happy, so dun drag elite league into this
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Actually, I also voted no, not because I wouldn't like a Roper League, it's because I don't think TUS should host it, TUS is good as it is.
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yea, actually my post was abit half way, thats what i ment aswell, i dun mind having roper league unless it affects tus classic, tel or freeleague, but as its alrdy been discussed tus is good with 3 leagues
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Humm I should have ask another question then "Would you play in a Roper league"..
Because I want this poll to tell us how popular would be such a league, hosted by TUS or somewhere else.. I'd just like to know if it would be active or not !
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yea definitely should had named it like that and ud got more yes votes
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yea definitely should had named it like that and ud got more yes votes
Just edited the poll. Should I reset the votes ?
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Reset ? LOL
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Reset ? LOL
What is so funny ? Stop spamming !
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yes :D
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I voted Yes, why no?
There are Elite League, why no Roper League?
I have sure that the ropers lovers deserves ur own league 8)
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I voted NO, i don't like Roper^^
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I dont think its fair to say elite is more poplar or loved then roper... I would say they r even.. Elite and roper are the 2 most played schemes on W:A.. To have seperate leagues for these both would be great... Now if u started a thread about a t17 or bng league i wouold say thats silly.. But for sure.. Roper ftw.
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Now if u started a thread about a t17 league i would say thats silly..
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Would be silly delete the free league
Why not add trl and let the free league normally?
MI is a nice webmaster he can do it!
TUS suddenly becomes lazy!
They took the TNL and put the TEL, and now they want to do another exchange. That is amateur!
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of course yes.. shut up chelsy :D
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of course yes.. shut up chelsy :D
if free league will stay - YES !
if delete free league - NO !
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This poll and whether tus should have a roper league should have nothing to do with if you like roper or not or if you are good at it or not. And confusing people whether they are going to lose their free league just further complicates things. That is just f@#!ing stupid to say no because you dont like roper. This isn't a is roper your favorite scheme poll.
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Actually, I also voted no, not because I wouldn't like a Roper League, it's because I don't think TUS should host it, TUS is good as it is.
??? So you would like a roper league, but not a tus roper league?
I would rather not fragment the community and play the roper league on tus. Whats the difference besides playing it on another host or playing it under tus?
I don't see what harm a roper league could do.
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I dont really like roper that much, I voted yes.
Let people have a roper league, wouldnt affect activity elsewhere, would only be a good thing, would make tus bigger and better!
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no, can't u play ur god damn roper in classic league ffs!
oh and for extra in worms community we have had elite league aside from the classic league and everyone's been happy, so dun drag elite league into this
No I can't play roper in classic league, the same way you can't play elite in just the classic league. Wow, what a stupid post, can't believe its you that wrote it.
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of course yes.. shut up chelsy :D
if free league will stay - YES !
if delete free league - NO !
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Indeed roper league would give more activity to TUS, if some1 makes it on another host well obviously that will bring inactivity to this league, roper and elite are the most popular schemes they both diserve a private league...Like dub said this is not a thread about if u like or not for those geeks that were saying I dont like roper so I say no...DOH!
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Stop getting greedy, lucky enough to have a league as it is as good as this...
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Stop getting greedy, lucky enough to have a league as it is as good as this...
Who the f@#! is getting greedy? Were the elite guys greedy when they asked for their league?
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Elite is MUCH more active and played more than Roper, Elite replaced Normal league, it wasn't anything entirely new, it just replaced something that wasn't really being used.
A roper league won't happen, I like Roper, I love Ropers in fact, its where I started in WA, but I see having a Roper league as being pointless.
We seriously have enough "Leagues" in this League lol.
Next people will ask for TTRR, then ask for Hysteria league etc...
I respect you like Roper enough to want a seperate league for it, but I honestly think it won't happen.
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From what I gathered, the league wouldn't necessarily be on tus. I don't see what the problem would be one way or the other. There is a classic league, free league, elite league, bng league, intermediate league, a spanish league, and most recently a kaos league. I don't see how roper, being as popular as it is, should be rejected. A lot of people don't even know there is a kaos league... just goes to show how the addition of a league doesn't necessarily make things inactive elsewhere.
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Elite is MUCH more active and played more than Roper, Elite replaced Normal league, it wasn't anything entirely new, it just replaced something that wasn't really being used.
A roper league won't happen, I like Roper, I love Ropers in fact, its where I started in WA, but I see having a Roper league as being pointless.
We seriously have enough "Leagues" in this League lol.
Next people will ask for TTRR, then ask for Hysteria league etc...
I respect you like Roper enough to want a seperate league for it, but I honestly think it won't happen.
Roper is different from those schemes because roper IS CLASSIC. Its the first scheme that leagues were made for. Many people like roper but dont play tus because they dont want to play all those other schemes.
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Right, even ur bng league has activity komo so a roper league would have obviously more activity yeah f@#! tus just make it on another server doggy.
FTR as the votes are we have 21 players already... hehe good enough.
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Right, even ur bng league has activity komo so a roper league would have obviously more activity yeah f@#! tus just make it on another server doggy.
FTR as the votes are we have 21 players already... hehe good enough.
That is silly talk Dev, tus has awesome leagues and a roper league on tus would be way better then having to have another site. If its not much extra work to make.
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Well for sure dub but check the votes ... We are not getting anything here, I tried before u tried before and was useless, so time to move on.
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Yeah Shyguy, you are right, but, a2b NNNL LW etc are on different websites meaning less work and effort by MI and his team, if someone made a Roper league elsewhere and not in TuS, I would probably participate :)
And Johnny, what you say about "Many people like roper but dont play tus because they dont want to play all those other schemes." you could the exact same thing for so many other schemes.
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Well for sure dub but check the votes ... We are not getting anything here, I tried before u tried before and was useless, so time to move on.
People who voted no, simply voted that they would not play in the league. Not whether there should be a roper league or not. Many people I talked to felt there should be a roper league but voted no because they wouldn't play in it.
Others voted no because they were afraid they would lose the free league.
Ray voted no because he thought the league should be outside of tus, which is silly.
I voted no there shouldn't be an elite league as part of tus because people simply could pick it in tus classic. I was wrong and TEL is a big success. I feel roper would be a success much like TEL. At the very least it would be more active then the free league.
This vote is flawed and is not a determinant of whether or not there should be a roper league. I see no harm in having a roper league and could only add to the activity level of tus.
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Yeah Shyguy, you are right, but, a2b NNNL LW etc are on different websites meaning less work and effort by MI and his team, if someone made a Roper league elsewhere and not in TuS, I would probably participate :)
And Johnny, what you say about "Many people like roper but dont play tus because they dont want to play all those other schemes." you could the exact same thing for so many other schemes.
If its a lot of work I will moderate it or do whatever I can to help.
Why would you participate in a roper league if it wasn't apart of tus? But not participate if it is a part tus. Your reasoning is severely flawed and that makes no sense.
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I never said I wouldn't participate if it was on TuS.
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if someone made a Roper league elsewhere and not in TuS, I would probably participate :)
But lets not make this thread about you. K.
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And where in that sentence does it say I wouldn't participate if the league was made in TuS?
"elsewhere and not in TuS" means a website somewhere else...
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But lets not make this thread about you. K.
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Aw give it a rest please Johnny, I never said that and you know I didn't... Gimme a break ffs...
People constantly barrade BnG and I don't speak to them this way, I put together my reasons in a fair honest and I think respectful way...
Why make a poll if you can't take some criticism?
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i feel like no matter the discussion, komo will form an opinion, and then put together some long post supporting his opinion, he is a very passionate person, no matter the topic. :D
i think roper league would be plenty active... i also think i would be rank 1...
i also think that if its the work going into making this roping league that monkeyisland is worried about that, then we should make it on another server... which would suck, because it would split the community a bit (not as much as you would think though, as shyguy pointed out)
but if the work to make the league is not a concern for monkeyisland, then lets atleast give it a try.. like dub said, it will be more active then free league, thats a given.. wil it be as active as TEL? im not sure, thats up for debate... but instead of talking about it (sorry sir) lets just see for ourselves... and make the TRL :(
its more then obvious ROPER, and ELITE are the main schemes of W:A... so why should elite have a seperate league and not roper?? :(
and yes, i said i think ill be rank 1 !! huaha :D
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oops sry, wrong topic.. I wanted to post this here: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/which-schemes-should-die-a-painful-death/75/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/which-schemes-should-die-a-painful-death/75/)
Edit: cmon don't smite me now, I haven't even voted! ;x
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i feel like no matter the discussion, komo will form an opinion, and then put together some long post supporting his opinion, he is a very passionate person, no matter the topic. :D
i think roper league would be plenty active... i also think i would be rank 1...
i also think that if its the work going into making this roping league that monkeyisland is worried about that, then we should make it on another server... which would suck, because it would split the community a bit (not as much as you would think though, as shyguy pointed out)
but if the work to make the league is not a concern for monkeyisland, then lets atleast give it a try.. like dub said, it will be more active then free league, thats a given.. wil it be as active as TEL? im not sure, thats up for debate... but instead of talking about it (sorry sir) lets just see for ourselves... and make the TRL :(
its more then obvious ROPER, and ELITE are the main schemes of W:A... so why should elite have a seperate league and not roper?? :(
and yes, i said i think ill be rank 1 !! huaha :D
Yes having the league on a separate place would really suck. Being number 1 on tus roper league would mean more then number 1 on some place no one knows about. I have no idea how hard it would be hopefully Monkey can fill us in on the difficulties. Monkey please dont make me have to www.igl.net.
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W/e avi.
I added up the 3 most popular schemes on TuS.
1st: Elite - 6740 picks (give or take around 10)
2nd: Hysteria - 6000 picks (give or take around 10)
3rd: Roper - 5780 picks (give or take around 10)
You can see this, by going to recent games, overall seasons (all), and picking the individual schemes, each page holds 20 games, so just add up the number of pages.
Hysteria is more popular than Roper, and you don't see people asking for a Hysteria league.
Now I know Roper is still active as hell, now while I sit here saying I wouldn't like a Roper League on TuS, I would probably play it now and again if it was available, I wouldn't be super active, but i'd still play some games now and again as Roper is my 2nd favourite scheme, I know Roper is a classic scheme, but that was back then, this is now, it's not as classic as it was before, although it is still an extremely important part of Leagues.
I honestly think adding Roper league, as well as having Elite league already, it wouldn't decrease or split the community, but it would somewhat take away the point and usefulness of having the original All-Round league, what would be the point in playing an All-Round league when everyone could play their favourite scheme instead?
And Johnny, you say: Being number 1 on tus roper league would mean more then number 1 on some place no one knows about.
It should only matter to you and the people involved, no matter where it is hosted, the fact that if it were to exist, should satisfy you enough?
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Ya but I really like tus, tus' setup and everything about the tus leagues. The convenience of everyone already signed up here would be a huge plus for activity.
Popularity of a scheme going by activity level in tus is also skewed. People pick for points as well as their favorite scheme. Almost 6000 picks is still amazing though and correlates well with reasoning that there should be a roper league.
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it amazes me how passionate you are when debates come rolling around...
hysteria is as active as it is, because weaker skilled players pick it so often, they feel that have a better chance at beating an oldschooler/pro in hysteria then anything else..
and how do you say roper was more classic back then, then it is now?? things become classic with age, not activity... c'mon...
anyway, this is my last post here, i dont wanna to debate with you..
my opinion is there should be a roper league, as well as an elite league.. bye
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Yeah, I feel the same way about TuS, it has a really nice setup, friendly enviroment (most of the time lol), it's full of extremely talented/ambitious and cool people.
I just feel like if we were to add Roper League as well, we should do it for all schemes, but how could we do that without taking away the whole point and original idea of TuS being All-Round?
Avi, will you stop focusing on what I say and do and how often I do it, or whatever, just concentrate on your side of the arguement without bringing up the past, or your feelings towards me as a person, I don't do it to you.
I say it was more classic back then, cuz that's how I feel, it WAS the most popular scheme years ago, now it isn't, in the last 4-5 seasons, Roper is like 3rd/4th most popular scheme, it is very very slowly kinda dying out or at least being replaced with newer more exciting schemes, which is obviously a shame but that's how life is.
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Yeah, I feel the same way about TuS, it has a really nice setup, friendly enviroment (most of the time lol), it's full of extremely talented/ambitious and cool people.
I just feel like if we were to add Roper League as well, we should do it for all schemes, but how could we do that without taking away the whole point and original idea of TuS being All-Round?
I see your point and I feel Roper differentiates itself from every other scheme by it being the most classic scheme and that makes it more deserving then those other schemes. But whether those other schemes should have their own league is another debate. Lets talk about a roper league.
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But see, that is your opinion, that Roper is the most classic scheme, I don't see it that way, but I do see and respect your opinion.
I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.
I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.
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If the concerns about adding leagues were
1. the scheme has to be active/popular/whatever
2. don't wanna make too many leagues for schemes that are in the classic league
(these are the 2 points i have been seen thrown around)
then on those 2 points, the bng league would be replaced by the roper league... I don't see how you can argue that adding leagues for schemes in the classic league will make the all-around league pointless when you run your own bng league.
I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.
I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.
We have an elite and bng league. roper is more popular than bng, so if there is only room for 2 schemes, then logically bng league should get the ax, unless you concede to making room for 3 leagues
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a2b has nothing to do with TuS and has nowhere near the amount of activity, most of the people who play a2b don't even play TuS really.
^^ We just have forums here because M3ntal won't make them on a2b. This was a favour from MI.
There is no BnG league on TuS, so why are you saying BnG league should get the axe lol?
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But see, that is your opinion, that Roper is the most classic scheme, I don't see it that way, but I do see and respect your opinion.
I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.
I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.
Roper Circa 1996. More classic. I don't see how a roper league could do anything but ADD more activity to tus. You have no proof that this league is at its optimal level and its an ignorant comment to make for a reason not to have a roper league.
If you don't think its a bad idea then please leave it at that and don't speculate whether this league is at its optimal level or not.
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I would be ok to open a league on another server, but for example it would take 1 month of full work to get it working (+a team of people ready to work on it), and it would take like 30 minutes of work for MonkeyIsland to open it on TUS.
And I agree that we better not split the community.
So, MI, maybe you could just try to open it, and see how it's going to be, active or not.
That's the best way to see if the idea is good or not. Instead of talking and talking on the forum.
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Roper Circa 1996. More classic. I don't see how a roper league could do anything but ADD more activity to tus. You have no proof that this league is at its optimal level and its an ignorant comment to make for a reason not to have a roper league.
If you don't think its a bad idea then please leave it at that and don't speculate whether this league is at its optimal level or not.
If I want to think TuS is in it's prime right now, I am free to feel that way, there is nothing you can do about it, there is nothing ignorant about praising this league the way it is right now, it's a compliment if anything.
I don't think a Roper League is a bad idea, but I don't like the idea of adding one to TuS.
Am I not allowed to have my own views and opinions about this? After all, you did create a poll and a post about it...
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a2b has nothing to do with TuS and has nowhere near the amount of activity, most of the people who play a2b don't even play TuS really.
There is no BnG league on TuS, so why are you saying BnG league should get the axe lol?
I know it has nothing to do with tus, but whether the roper league would be on the tus website or not, the only difference it would make would be what dub already said (ppl already registered, etc). If the elite league was on a different website, it would be hardly any different than it is now. my point is, I don't see why hosting a league on tus would make the all around league pointless.
I was just counting all of the schemes in the classic league that have a league now, hosted by tus or not. you argued we have enough leagues. I said bng would get the ax because you said we already had enough leagues (which is currently at 2).
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ok, komo does not feel there should be a roper league on TuS....
moving on.
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Komo we've all been on TUS for longer than you. And I think we get your opinion about the subject. So please don't pollute this topic, and let debate here the people really insterested about this league.
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I was just counting all of the schemes in the classic league that have a league now, hosted by tus or not. you argued we have enough leagues. I said bng would get the ax because you said we already had enough leagues (which is currently at 2).
a2b is totally different because we are a completely different community from TuS, we don't really care about activity and how classic something is, we enjoy BnG in a different way from this community which is why we setup our own thing, and after a whole year of a2b, we haven't even had 1 single complaint from any participant.
I wouldn't want a BnG league on TuS, and i'd actually vote against it if someone suggested it(not that anyone would lol) believe it or not.
So I agree with you there, if that is what you are implying.
Dogg, I have been on Wnet longer than you, what's your point? Time played is irrelevant.
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but I am trying to say whether or not a league is hosted on tus or not is irrelevant. when it is on tus that just means they are taking advantage of an already coded league and it was convenient to add it. if a league is on a different website, that is fine, they just decided to put it on a different website. so whether or not it is on the tus site is irrelevant... a league is a league, and right now we have two leagues that showcase a scheme that is in the classic league
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Hey, following the community more or less inactive again but I wanna add that I'd say that it could be very nice to have finally thrown away the all-around league idea. I mean if we are honest most popular schemes are so different that they surely deserve their own league. I would keep all schemes in classic, just that when you meet to play vs. each other you agree on 1 scheme which you play bo3. I mean surely people that have different tastes won't play as often anymore but to start off: Where is the point when Player 1 rules in rope and player 2 rules in elite for example? They can just simply report the game without playing because most likely they will win their favorite scheme 99%. It will take away noob bashing, because simply when you play vs. someone that actually enjoys the scheme chances are higher the person is more skilled.
I for example won't play the all-around league simply because of hysteria. I know it has skills in it but I just don't like the scheme, and I don't want to be forced to play a scheme I don't like. No problem with that, I don't complain about that, just tossing in an idea why this all-around league thing is probably too old fashioned, we have a lot more schemes to consider and you can't (or maybe shouldn't) enforce everyone to like all schemes and play them. It doesn't show real 'overall' skill as well, I am sure many competitive players learned some schemes just to be a better player. But the fun should be first priority not the competition. Especially in a fun league like this, we don't have prices or anything, everyone should be able to play, and ONLY play what he/she wants.
Just my thoughts on this.
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That's a good point, but instead of killing the overall league, we should :
- Simplify it
- Create a ladder system for each scheme; get rid of the point system for those, and just count wins/loses. Like this we could have a separate standing table for each scheme :) Would be some kind of "mini-league". It could work without PO and just be a continuous ranking.
What do you think about this ?
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Nah dude tus system it's just fine...Having a roper league will only bring more activity to TUS, already 28 players man.
Nice idea too simon only count win or loses on roper league and make it one month to play, best 6 players got to fight for the first place. 1-2 3-4 5-6.
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Nah dude tus system it's just fine...Having a roper league will only bring more activity to TUS, already 28 players man.
Nice idea too simon only count win or loses on roper league and make it one month to play, best 6 players got to fight for the first place. 1-2 3-4 5-6.
Ah true, didnt see the YES raised that much !
MI, I think that's enough to give a try ?
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The poll should be "would you play a roper league" or no poll at all... It's dumb to say "I dont want a roper league" because you dont like the scheme. I'm not into elite that much and I couldnt care less that there is TEL, I mean if you're not interested just move on.
A roper league would bring more activity, and some "oldchool" players would get more active I think
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The poll should be "would you play a roper league" or no poll at all... It's dumb to say "I dont want a roper league" because you dont like the scheme. I'm not into elite that much and I couldnt care less that there is TEL, I mean if you're not interested just move on.
A roper league would bring more activity, and some "oldchool" players would get more active I think
Ya the poll has some obvious flaws.
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Nah the poll should be "do you want a roper league". Most of the people who wont play a roper league are going to vote no, although this way the people who would play can vote yes, and the people who wouldnt play but would still like to see a roper league (like me) can vote yes as well. Its open to more yes votes the way it currently is.
Its true that its silly to vote no simply because you dont like the scheme. The question we need to ask is would having a roper league benefit TUS? In my opinion the answer is yes, unquestionably. There is significant interest already (50/50) and there are still many people who would like a roper league that havent voted yet. Having a roper league wont affect activity in the other leagues at all, the only thing adding a roper league would do is INCREASE overall activity, which is a good thing!
The thing is, if we have an elite league and a roper league, I dont see why we couldnt have an individual league for every other scheme too. Id like to see a roper league, Id also like to see a ttrr league, id also like to see a Team17 league! I dont know what happened to the plans for a rotated league, but maybe we could have a rotated roping league switching between ttrr and roper every two months. Or even better have both a roper league (TRL) and a ttrr league (TTTL)!
...but right now we're talking about a roper league, and I see no good reason not to add one to TUS. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it proves to be inactive then you can simply get rid of it.
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*bump* good post NAiL
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i voted no, cos i wont play a roper league xDD
but i think it is nice to make a roper league, too many players for this and it is as popular as elite imo.
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let's make a poll about the poll!
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Nah the poll should be "do you want a roper league". Most of the people who wont play a roper league are going to vote no, although this way the people who would play can vote yes, and the people who wouldnt play but would still like to see a roper league (like me) can vote yes as well. Its open to more yes votes the way it currently is.
Its true that its silly to vote no simply because you dont like the scheme. The question we need to ask is would having a roper league benefit TUS? In my opinion the answer is yes, unquestionably. There is significant interest already (50/50) and there are still many people who would like a roper league that havent voted yet. Having a roper league wont affect activity in the other leagues at all, the only thing adding a roper league would do is INCREASE overall activity, which is a good thing!
The thing is, if we have an elite league and a roper league, I dont see why we couldnt have an individual league for every other scheme too. Id like to see a roper league, Id also like to see a ttrr league, id also like to see a Team17 league! I dont know what happened to the plans for a rotated league, but maybe we could have a rotated roping league switching between ttrr and roper every two months. Or even better have both a roper league (TRL) and a ttrr league (TTTL)!
...but right now we're talking about a roper league, and I see no good reason not to add one to TUS. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it proves to be inactive then you can simply get rid of it.
lol yea, thats why i voted NO, since i wil not play...
but if u ask, 'do u want a roper league' i would vote yes ofc
change it!
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Wtf guyz you should have vote YES then !!
Should I make a new poll "Would a roper league be benefit for TUS" ?
MI, could you tell us what you think about this :)
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Right now, I didn't think it would be like 50/50. I thought the NOs would be like 90/10.
Last time I checked the vote log and it was all clean, I'm impressed :)
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:D
I say you must try it, and as NAiL said, if its not working then just remove it =)
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MI let me change my voto, cose 'Would you play in a Roper League ?' i wouldnt thats true, but i would like to see a ROPER league on tus.. diferent things. u asked in dumb way dog fuk u!
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I voted 'no' too, but that's because I'm inactive. Generally I don't see how a roper league could turn out bad for the site.
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If all inactive people vote no there's no wonder it has more no's auha
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Changing vote enabled. You can remove your vote now and vote again.
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cmon guys. lets vote yes.. if u dont will play, juz dont play.. lol.. but have a lot of players that want... will be very nice a TRL
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i voted yes, i want roper league!
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me too, yea! I want it ;D
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gogo lets recall xtc roper league ;d
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Gogo.
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I guess I won't play in a roper league. But it doesn't matter what I think.
But there are a lot of people which just love roper. So give it a try. :)
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Btw I don't think the No voters matter at all, if we have 500 people voting and 400 vote No and 100 vote Yes. That would mean 100 people would most likely play the league active, I think that's more than enough to maintain a league with activity, right?
And MI, can't you enforce people to vote that visit your site when they log-in? You would get better results, I know some sites that, when you login, basically force you to vote. It really doesn't take a lot of time for someone to read 1 sentence and then decide yes/no. I think you should work on such feature for important votes like this.
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sure, the league have to be made for the players that want to play , lol.. like "DeathInFire" said
if we have 500 people voting and 400 vote No and 100 vote Yes. That would mean 100 people would most likely play the league active,...
like TEL, i really never played, and dont have any interest to play, but i agree that has for the players that play enjoy. =P
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del
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No :/
Nice first post. Who are you and why are you even voting?
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No :/
Nice first post. Who are you and why are you even voting?
Nice way 2 get yes votes ;p
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Edited out
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You better focus on your YESes than insulting other people who vote no. Everybody is free to share their opinion and I never said if this poll is gonna make the Roper league.
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I never said if this poll is gonna make the Roper league.
Could you expand on this further please?
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I won't play a roper league but since there is an elite league, ropers should have their too. :)
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Hmm u better tell us soon so maybe we can think on how we make it on another host.
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You don't want to split the community MI, I know you don't !
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For me the poll shows that a roper league is a good idea.
Monkey, could you tell us what you think about it, do you plan to host it on TUS ?
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There are very fewer people who like to play a roper league and imo they are mostly ex-w2 wormers. Like you or TitiO.
And I don't think adding another league to our 3-league collection would be such a good idea, unless we change TEL to TRL (Rotated league) where we could change the scheme time to time, but I'll be assassinated by Elite-freaks as soon as I change Elite.
Hopefully he puts a little more thought into it now that it has been debated.
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This discussion should be more friendly but it's understandable that Dub gets pissed, when you see people making petty posts. As I said why even bother if you're not interested :D
I guess I won't play in a roper league. But it doesn't matter what I think.
But there are a lot of people which just love roper. So give it a try. :)
This for exemple is the right attitude
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I'm trying to keep it friendly, definitely holding things back and not saying everything I would like too lol
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If you could give more input on your worries or your opinions on a roper league MI I think it would be very helpful moving forward with this. I believe your previous worries have already been settled.
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I, personally say no too. TUS is as good as it is. Of course, some changes are always good, but why do everyone want to change everything? I mean everything, what it as good as it is? Ok, I understand your point, that some changes would be nice, also maybe a try would be ok, but I don't want.
EDIT : Let's do a TSL (TUS Shopper League)?
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I, personally say no too. TUS is as good as it is. Of course, some changes are always good, but why do everyone want to change everything? I mean everything, what it as good as it is? Ok, I understand your point, that some changes would be nice, also maybe a try would be ok, but I don't want.
EDIT : Let's do a TSL (TUS Shopper League)?
Your opinion has already been discussed in the previous 7 pages. This isn't changing tus, it is adding to it. Roper since the beginning of worms history has been the overall most popular scheme in league games. TEL is really popular right now and is a huge success. Its my opinion, that a roper league would be similarily successful.
Not to knock the shopper scheme or the people who love shopper, but, roper differs from shopper in many ways. Roper is the oldest and most classic scheme in tus, roper is picked more often then shopper. A roper league would encourage more oldschool wormers to play again. In my opinion roper is more deserving of its own league.
If you want a tus shopper league I suggest starting your OWN thread and poll and try to make it happen. A tus shopper league has nothing to do with this thread or this poll.
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Word !
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my vote is yes ;O
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havnt read this thread, but its something i would like to see.
always thought tus would be better with individual scheme leagues instead of an overall league. its why i dont play tus cause i cant be arsed to play other people schemes or play people that cant play for shit in my choice.
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play more games and u see thats not the case in classic league (;
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I think the classic league is great, but Madog just showed one example of how a roper league could bring more activity and be successful.
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I dident bother reading trough 8 pages and my vote dosent matter,but i'll support Dub for his initaive to get a rope league and why not? TRL!!! xD
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I am sorry Johnny, but I honestly couldn't disagree with you more, and I honestly mean no offence.
Your opinion has already been discussed in the previous 7 pages. This isn't changing tus, it is adding to it. Roper since the beginning of worms history has been the overall most popular scheme in league games. TEL is really popular right now and is a huge success. Its my opinion, that a roper league would be similarily successful.
Sorry but, if you add to something, you change it, if you take away from something, you change it, etc.
Roper has only been the most popular scheme 'overall' for one main reason, because it looks cool and is fun to play even when you suck at it, the effect of rope is now wearing off, and people are starting to enjoy more tactical and consistent games, the Roper scheme we have now is seriously flawed and you should really considering anything possible to come up with a more efficient scheme IF TRL actually takes off.
Not to knock the shopper scheme or the people who love shopper, but, roper differs from shopper in many ways. Roper is the oldest and most classic scheme in tus, roper is picked more often then shopper. A roper league would encourage more oldschool wormers to play again. In my opinion roper is more deserving of its own league.
Roper is just as old and classic as Elite/BnG/T17 (in TuS), they all share the same status when it comes to describing schemes as "classic".
While a Roper League would most definately be really active and alot of fun, I don't see any reason to believe it would encourage more oldschool wormers to play again, what do you base this knowledge on? I think most oldschool wormers that don't play anymore stopped playing because they either found better games, got bored, or personal life became too busy with careers or whatever not because TRL wasn't invented yet
Even if oldschool wormers decided to come and play(which if they did, would be nice for sure), I really really doubt any of them would last, they might play for a few months, get bored again, and get back to their lifes.
I agree that TRL would be much better than a TSL though lol.
If you want a tus shopper league I suggest starting your OWN thread and poll and try to make it happen. A tus shopper league has nothing to do with this thread or this poll.
I agree they should start their own thread, but, you must appreciate/respect and understand their side of the debate, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm going to change my vote to yes, while I don't think TRL would be the best thing ever, I would still like to play some games against really good ropers now and again and see how far I can get, considering I started out on Wnet with Ropers, I actually feel like I should support this, I have alot of great memories with this scheme and played with some talented and very nice players, and besides, the world won't end if TRL starts.
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Ok, I'll do something about this league.
Please answer this, (not Johnny, anyone who is really dying to play in TRL)
A league is basically some series of games getting played, then best players of that season go to PO. What is the difference if we have scheme playoffs inside classic league? On this theory, if people reach enough games for a specific scheme, Roper in this case, they go through playoffs. How this idea is different than a total separate league? Before you say about opponents "pick", we could set a rule about being able to play one scheme only. I've seen many people already ask for single scheme tus. Like "TUS Hysteria ne1?"
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MI, that is an excellent idea, Would it be possible to have Scheme Playoffs for other schemes also?
Or is this what you mean?
This idea, along with being able to single pick, I really like, but, wouldn't it stop people from the whole "all-round" thing?
Does anyone even care about all-round anymore?
Or are people happier playing the schemes they love more?
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humm i'm not sure about this, that mean we would have to play much more games. And if we keep picking always the same scheme, it's going to be more and more risky for our overall rating (much points to lose in case of lose and only a few to win).
To reach 50 games in roper for example, that mean we would have to play a total of 100 games (supposing I always pick roper, and my opponents always pick another scheme).
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Ok, I'll do something about this league.
Please answer this, (not Johnny, anyone who is really dying to play in TRL)
A league is basically some series of games getting played, then best players of that season go to PO. What is the difference if we have scheme playoffs inside classic league? On this theory, if people reach enough games for a specific scheme, Roper in this case, they go through playoffs. How this idea is different than a total separate league? Before you say about opponents "pick", we could set a rule about being able to play one scheme only. I've seen many people already ask for single scheme tus. Like "TUS Hysteria ne1?"
lol I'm not allowed to answer? What did I do?
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humm i'm not sure about this, that mean we would have to play much more games. And if we keep picking always the same scheme, it's going to be more and more risky for our overall rating (much points to lose in case of lose and only a few to win).
To reach 50 games in roper for example, that mean we would have to play a total of 100 games (supposing I always pick roper, and my opponents always pick another scheme).
I think you are confusing yourself Dogg lol, whether it's picking same scheme(Roper) in Classic League, or playing TRL, it'll be risky for your overall rating either way as it's the same system.
And MI did say this:
Before you say about opponents "pick", we could set a rule about being able to play one scheme only. I've seen many people already ask for single scheme tus. Like "TUS Hysteria ne1?"
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lol I'm not allowed to answer? What did I do?
I meant the question is not directed to you, but to anyone.
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No your TEL rating doesn't effect your Elite rating in classic league.
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lol I'm not allowed to answer? What did I do?
I meant the question is not directed to you, but to anyone.
To just start having playoffs for an individual scheme like roper how would you deal with people's existing ratings in that scheme.
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No your TEL rating doesn't effect your Elite rating in classic league.
I meant same system as in, the way it works, my bad, should have pointed that out.
To clarify, If you are worried about picking rope all the time in classic because you might get a very high rating and chance losing alot of points, this is exactly what would happen in TRL too, so either way this would happen if this is what you are worried about.
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To just start having playoffs for an individual scheme like roper how would you deal with people's existing ratings in that scheme.
Does it matter? because if it had separate league, after the first season, we'll have the same thing.
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I'd just say "yes" to this 8)
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To just start having playoffs for an individual scheme like roper how would you deal with people's existing ratings in that scheme.
Does it matter? because if it had separate league, after the first season, we'll have the same thing.
I'm really glad that thought is being put in to this. I'm just trying to figure out how it would work and how well ;D
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Hmm. I tried asking people for just a tus roper and I think that is going to be a problem unfortunately. Getting people to agree to just one scheme will be hard since it will effect their overall rating. When it is going to effect their overall rating I think people are going to want to pick a scheme of their choice either based on points or on the scheme they will get the most points and they will have the best chance to win. May also lead to people picking and choosing who they decide to play only roper with.
For example: spw is 100 times better then me at elite. There is no way I'm going to agree to only play a tus elite with him when I'm 90% sure to lose. I'd much rather pick another scheme that I still get good points on and have a better chance of winning.
However, I will play TEL with him whenever I can. Losing against him in TEL is only going to effect my TEL rating and not my overall rating. I have no other way to get points in TEL unless I play him in TEL.
This example assumes that the player cares about his overall rating.
Does this make sense? I'm trying to think it all out.
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i cant even be bothered reading all of ur post komo....
i scanned some of it, i noticed u said roper scheme itself is flawed, but needs a change, but when i was trying to do that...u were the main person there making long, boring posts about how its classic and does not need a change...
get lost dude, seriously... TUS does not revolve around u... ur a f@#!in bng rat, go stick to bng topics... every f@#!in topic and debate that gets brought up on tus, no matter how small it is, our how little you are effected by it, your right there to debate, and 90% of the time you disagree with the idea... whats with you dude? get a f@#!in life.. seriously.
if people want a roper league... and obviously enough people do.. why are you here to down it???
if 50+ people wanted a bng league.. i would be confused by this.. but i would not say "NO NO NO!!! NO BNG LEAGUE!! TUS IS PERFECT!!!" its just stupid... you have no buisness here...
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Oh no, not again avi!
I predict at least 5 pages of avirex vs Komo debate comming next.. ;x
Ok bets in, 20 points for 5 pages, 30 points for 8 pages, 40 points that someone will get muted or banned!
Any1 in? :P
@topic: I don't mind roper having a separated league.. In fact I think that every scheme should have a separated league.. But that would imply a complete change of league system, and I ain't a geek revolutionist enough to push this idea.. ;x
Whatever U do, don't forget to enjoy it..
hf hf
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Just goes to show how ignorant you are avi, if you had actually read everything I said you would notice that I actually support TRL now and changed my vote from No to Yes, why do you even bother arguing with people when you don't even read EVERYTHING they say?
All you ever do is swear and act like a child, you act like no one is allowed to give their opinion, everytime someone disagrees with you, you swear and them, insult them and more or less tell them how they don't deserve an opinion, and you have the cheek to talk about me???
I am not the only person who gets involved in alot of debates on TuS, but I seem to be however the ONLY person you NEVER agree with, heck i've even agreed on some stuff you said recently.
I get the fact you don't like me, the rest of TuS obviously knows you don't like me, but I was talking to and debating with Johnny, i've been following this topic and everything Johnny has been saying and it was HIS words that inspired me to change my vote to yes, and you don't even realise this, all you see is that I started out with a disagreement with a side-topic Johnny said, something that isn't even insulting or rude and you decide to barge in and start trouble again.
avi, I have not even directly spoke to you for how long now? And you still come at me insulting me for no reason whatsoever.
The things I said here are my opinion and I am entitled to that, when will you learn this?
I have not been insulting anyone, so why do you always have to interupt other peoples debates and start swearing and losing your temper.
I mean wtf... I changed my vote to yes, I showed some support to this idea, and YOU ARE STILL INSULTING ME EVEN WHEN I AM ON YOUR SIDE!!!
Grow up and stop holding a grudge ffs.
And I actually did agree Roper needs a change, I just didn't agree with the change you suggested, what's wrong with that? Present something everyone likes, and then we're laughing :)
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I dont understand why dont you just make the same system as TEL, but for roper ? :O
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I may do it as TEL, but before I wanna clear everything out. Since we have separate league for Elite, now suggestions for Roper ... this will open door for other schemes and there's possibility we torn classic league apart, so doesn't hurt to discuss it before, huh? :)
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Hehe I understand MI you don't want to see the classic league losing some activity, but I don't think this would really happen. Other schemes are not that popular =)
Btw good idea to put that poll on the sidebar 8)
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ok komo, like i said i did not bother reading your long boring post, and i do apologies, i see you did change your vote to yes... it only took 9 pages of 'debate' for that to come...
one minute u say u would never play a TRL, next minue u say its a great idea, and would enjoy playing some skilled ropers... lol...
well im glad you support TRL, thank you..
and monkeyI, i think its safe to say that roper, and elite are not only the most played, but also the longest running schemes of this game... the best combination of a clanner game, and i would bet 75% of people will agree, is a roper and elite... so having a TRL would be great... plz :(
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Was Elite at classic league affected after TEL release? Less activity?
just asking.
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Hmm. I tried asking people for just a tus roper and I think that is going to be a problem unfortunately. Getting people to agree to just one scheme will be hard since it will effect their overall rating. When it is going to effect their overall rating I think people are going to want to pick a scheme of their choice either based on points or on the scheme they will get the most points and they will have the best chance to win. May also lead to people picking and choosing who they decide to play only roper with.
For example: spw is 100 times better then me at elite. There is no way I'm going to agree to only play a tus elite with him when I'm 90% sure to lose. I'd much rather pick another scheme that I still get good points on and have a better chance of winning.
However, I will play TEL with him whenever I can. Losing against him in TEL is only going to effect my TEL rating and not my overall rating. I have no other way to get points in TEL unless I play him in TEL.
This example assumes that the player cares about his overall rating.
Does this make sense? I'm trying to think it all out.
Opinions?
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It's cool avi, don't worry about it lol, but did I really say I wouldn't ever play TRL? I don't think I did, i'm sure I only said I didn't see the point in it at 1st, but if I did then fair enough, I support it now anyway that's what matters :)
Yeah it took some time for me to change my mind, cuz I seen how many people I respect really hoping for this league and Johnny said some things that got me thinking, and I also feel I can't turn my back on Ropers lol cuz if you think about it after all it's where WA all began for me :)
As for Johnny, either TRL or what MI suggested, either would be fine for me, TRL would be more special though.
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Was Elite at classic league affected after TEL release? Less activity?
just asking.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/)
According to this, activity of classic league as a whole wasn't affected.
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1 more thing i want to mention: komo, i believe it was you that said there is no chance that an oldschooler will come back just because of TRL, like Johnny had suggested is a possibility...
but i dont believe thats true.... there is a good chance somone will come back, or just start to play tus in general..
for example, mablak never played a tus single... but check him out on TEL....
flex is hardly active on tus, but ill bet he will pop in slightly more for TRL....
and im sure there are others i can think of.... just sayin.
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When the TRL will start ? :D
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Yeah but Mablak will get bored of TEL soon enough lol, ask anyone who knows him well, he always goes through phases like this, he'll probably even admit it himself :)
I hope he sticks with it though, and I hope I am wrong about the "oldschool" thing, I really do, I would love nothing more than to see all the old names and people I played with through my teenhood, heck it might even make me make a serious comeback.
I only really stopped playing Ropers because I got so angry with myself, I don't play schemes alot that annoy me easily, if you look at the TELs I played with os, god damn it was so much fun, but I got so angry at times lol, and those games with chuvash I just played, I actually slammed my head on the desk I got so annoyed at some stupid mistakes I made, I should have won those games with the advantages I had, like the last game, he tele'd and had 2 worms with 4hp, all I had to do was rope up and sg both, and I totally rushed it being overconfident I shot the 1st rope in the wrong place which was a slap to my own face lol, I had alot of fun though also but I suck at Elite and I know this, I do come out with great ideas though, and my BnG knowledge helps alot at times, but I am starting to enjoy Elite alot now, I just panic too much and don't know what I am capable of yet, I wish someone could train me a bit in Elite, i'd love to learn how to play serious, instead of just messing around hoping BnG can help me most of the time lol.
Anyway, to get this back on track I think TRL would really work and yeah, it could raise a few oldschoolers eyebrows at the least.
avi, I gave you +1 xD
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If TRL comes I'll buy a kb :D.
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buy some skills too my bitch :p
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i changed my mind, i said i wont play it, but i cant w8 to own u noobs xD
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omg guys... tus classic ok, elite ligue ( eh ok ) but no more! roper ligue? meaby ttrr ligue? , hysteria ligue, t17 ligue. Plz thats ShiT
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No need to buy em if I play against u maybe to other players, but u're always be my only bitch only till u go to the shadow tho some n@#!!! will smash ur ass out of me.
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auhauha
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as well as TEL, WHY not be TRL ;)
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No ;)
NO
NO ;D
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omfg, lol @ tita Reputation: 73,
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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No ;)
NO
NO ;D
All of You vote No, cuz you can't rope lol, if someone propouse a TUS HISTERIA LEAGUE , You will be the first people in vote with a yes.
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All of You vote No, cuz you can't rope lol, if someone propouse a TUS HISTERIA LEAGUE , You will be the first people in vote with a yes.
I agree.
o/
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TUS Hysteria FTW !
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Let's add THL :) (I feel I'm going to be smited a lot of times for this, lol)
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TuS Comet Dodging Leauge ne1 ? :D:D
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No ;)
NO
NO ;D
All of You vote No, cuz you can't rope lol, if someone propouse a TUS HISTERIA LEAGUE , You will be the first people in vote with a yes.
yes, i agree hysteria. roper sux for me ok? thx.
For roper i vote no again!!!
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yes, i agree hysteria. roper sux for me ok? thx.
For roper i vote no again!!!
u can only vote 1 time (:
cmon guys, hysteria league? cmon cmon sux a lot
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Yeah but Mablak will get bored of TEL soon enough lol, ask anyone who knows him well, he always goes through phases like this, he'll probably even admit it himself :)
Actually I still find TEL interesting, I've never been that bored of elites. But I have been bored of ropers for years, just because the skill level can only get so high. I'd much rather just warm when I'm in the mood to rope.
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lol Mablak that asshole, he just joins leagues, win it all then advance 2 the next one! :D
ahah j/k Cody! :p
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Yeah Mab cuz TEL is still fresh lol, I think in 1 year you will be bored of it ;)
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No ;)
NO
NO ;D
All of You vote No, cuz you can't rope lol, if someone propouse a TUS HISTERIA LEAGUE , You will be the first people in vote with a yes.
yes, i agree hysteria. roper sux for me ok? thx.
For roper i vote no again!!!
Lol and u smited me for that .... kid
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vote yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees pls :D
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But I have been bored of ropers for years, just because the skill level can only get so high.
Can someone explain this part, I don't understand what it means
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Lol and u smited me for that .... kid
tita kid xDDDDDDDDDD
50 years old almost hahahah
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I am gonna take a guess, and say I think he means he got as good as he thinks he will get, while Elite is still a challenge for him because it's a game consisting of everchanging events.
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Ok thanks
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YES : 100
NO: 100
Total voters 199
:o
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fail xD
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n1 are shitting the poll.
we have a hacker. :o
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Yes 113 (51%)
No 105 (48%)
51%+48%= 100? :D
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Yeah but Mablak will get bored of TEL soon enough lol, ask anyone who knows him well, he always goes through phases like this, he'll probably even admit it himself :)
Actually I still find TEL interesting, I've never been that bored of elites. But I have been bored of ropers for years, just because the skill level can only get so high. I'd much rather just warm when I'm in the mood to rope.
That's what I have been doing for some years now, I just log in, have a warmer with a person I know and sign off until I am again in the mood to rope. :)
It's not really that crucial to not rope for some months in my opinion than not playing stuff like BnG/Elite I have lost more skill there. Though it was really funny when you and me both were in dt, I think we never lost 1 clanner.
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TUS on path of derivation of leagues under each scheme.
Why is not present tus t17 leagye? ::)