The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: van on September 08, 2012, 03:06 PM
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Maybe you should verify the loyalty of some of your members prof, because your forum is leaking. It wasn't supposed to come to this.
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5. Kaleu, why, oh why would you edit it so fast. We barely took a screen shot!
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Respect goes to Scorp for being fair in the end:
well guys, i accepted because I know that penalty was fair. i had warned kaleu to use only one nickname. anyway i understand why Professor is angry because he had some personal problems due to the WO. so i think it would be better all stop drama here :P. roh won. Congratulations to them. But they would have lost if kaleu had not done shit!
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is this from eS private board again? ::)
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np, if u want, i can open the whole thread for everyone read. Looks that the cheats were extended to tus too.
first cheating the eS clan in WO, now cheating us in our forums. Nice "justice" lol
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Just lol.
only me didnt care who win? xD
and btw,who make this screenshots,realy interesting xD
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Nothing sooo important posted there, I posted alot in this topic, Professor could make this topic as public and nothing would happen.
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np, if u want, i can open the whole thread for everyone read. Looks that the cheats were extended to tus too.
first cheating the eS clan in WO, now cheating us in our forums. Nice "justice" lol
Kick everyone, let only you Scorpus, Jot, Chelsea, Jokako, and Tomi. :D
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Nothing sooo important posted there, I posted alot in this topic, Professor could make this topic as public and nothing would happen.
nothing so important? u talk about getting help from tag and suddenly twy appears with several alias nicks on this tourney: http://wormolympics.com/t924#results to fill up playerlist and make easy points and medals for es. i call it cheating, you call it not so important.
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Nothing sooo important posted there, I posted alot in this topic, Professor could make this topic as public and nothing would happen.
nothing so important? u talk about getting help from tag and suddenly twy appears with several alias nicks on this tourney: http://wormolympics.com/t924#results to fill up playerlist and make easy points and medals for es. i call it cheating, you call it not so important.
When Professor said that TaG could help us was not about the Chileans play with fake nick, but for beating RoH beetwen tourneys, when Scorpus said that he tried to call Zwitter, was for join eS, not for play with aliases, you understood wrong.
Noone alised in WO instead of me, i'm a villain.
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have to say sorry if it was this way, but you have to admit u joined forces. cos otherwise this tourney would have way to less players for medal points.
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I had some black power, I did my ritual before every tourney I played.
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have to say sorry if it was this way, but you have to admit u joined forces. cos otherwise this tourney would have way to less players for medal points.
accepted , in the name of tag (http://www.clantag-wa.com/forum/Smileys/default/zippyte.gif)
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have to say sorry if it was this way, but you have to admit u joined forces. cos otherwise this tourney would have way to less players for medal points.
accepted , in the name of tag (http://www.clantag-wa.com/forum/Smileys/default/zippyte.gif)
t, btw is this zlloro?
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have to say sorry if it was this way, but you have to admit u joined forces. cos otherwise this tourney would have way to less players for medal points.
accepted , in the name of tag (http://www.clantag-wa.com/forum/Smileys/default/zippyte.gif)
t, btw is this zlloro?
zlloro > (http://www.clantag-wa.com/forum/Smileys/default/ZLLORO.png)
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have to say sorry if it was this way, but you have to admit u joined forces. cos otherwise this tourney would have way to less players for medal points.
accepted , in the name of tag (http://www.clantag-wa.com/forum/Smileys/default/zippyte.gif)
t, btw is this zlloro?
nope.
that's ZTE
btw, incog got spanked lol
PD: MY 666 POST :o
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np, if u want, i can open the whole thread for everyone read.
Yeah shit you are in cant be wierder than that haha
and btw,who make this screenshots
I did them with my alias from eS ;)
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we have a spy! lol how did this pictures? o.O
about Gusanos, i still think he is actually Bryan's brother. ive played with him a few times and he didnt seems to be Bryan :P
for me the only alias is kaleu. and i had asked him to dont do that =/.
anyway, i had fun with WO. i got some medals(i thought i would never get it) and some tourneys was really fun. I wanted eS in 1st place. but ok. This is only a game and i dont like to cry about this xD
again congratulation roh :) (my eS m8(Professor) will kill me xDDDD)
Just lol.
only me didnt care who win? xD
and me xD
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Lol at Scorpus trying to be cool everytime, you shall support Professor, puto!!
Anyways, you born brazillian, even when you are cool you are not, bad start ae. XDD
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Im not trying to be cool, im just saying my thing. Professor is my friend, but i dont need to agree with him all time. I have a mind...And if we lost was ur fault and u know that. I'm zillian and i dont need to show how im cool. and u? what are u trying to be? whatever! bad start ae
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lololol... and eS wonders why they get such a bad name, and they get no f@#!ing respect...
they are the lamest clan, and all they ever do is avoid!! time after time they get caught avoiding...
the funniest part is that profess thinks its a strategy lol... ;D
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ha more avoiding strategy. classic indeed. ;D
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there arent nothing words to say. I had been talk with Casso and Van and i want to talk with Darkmaul too.
The relationship eS - RoH is nice, like always.
Unhapply the WO moderators did a huge mistake :-\. There were a few times in the history of sport where the final result was changed outside from the field :'(.
Today is a sad charpter in my Worms history. All job what i did, my clanmates did, It was wasted just because a player played using more than 1 name without bug the system tourneys. 1 "consensous rule" what even isnt written, today, took off the trophee from the real winner :-\.
Bad deal fom the "Olympic Spirit" and bad deal for the ppl who played it. But our relationship with the RoH friends keep strong and cool.
I hope my testimony keep calm the ppl here and most the troublemakers :)
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Unhapply the WO moderators did a huge mistake :-\. There were a few times in the history of sport where the final result was changed outside from the field :'(.
Bad deal fom the "Olympic Spirit"
if i were d1 i would create worms paralympics just for es and friends
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sorry Peja, we arent people with disabillty.
Keep blamming and i ll make sure to become You one. Just pay more respect here if u havent one.
Ah, i was forgetting... instead u blame here, try to improve ur skillz inside the game... my last game agaisnt You was very easy for my clan. U are losing time, man!
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joke was over the top (sorry) but it fits.
if you are not able to accept simple facts (u lost only because you are not able to play by the rules) you should make your own tourny where no "bad people" steal your trophy. so
prof, instead of blaming ffie, try to improve your skillz and stop breaking obvious rules to win next wo. scorpus already showed you the way.
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Im not trying to be cool, im just saying my thing. Professor is my friend, but i dont need to agree with him all time. I have a mind...And if we lost was ur fault and u know that. I'm zillian and i dont need to show how im cool. and u? what are u trying to be? whatever! bad start ae
HUauahua I knew you would jump liek a bitch at me again, you really can't separate joke from something serious, if you don't know I'm zillian also, bastardo.
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joke was over the top (sorry) but it fits.
if you are not able to accept simple facts (u lost only because you are not able to play by the rules) you should make your own tourny where no "bad people" steal your trophy. so
prof, instead of blaming ffie, try to improve your skillz and stop breaking obvious rules to win next wo. scorpus already showed you the way.
i am not a breaker rules, just say me where is written and np. In my last post i said: the issue is done. No more things to say.
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just say me where is written
The same place where it says "don't cheat", "don't create unnecessary work for others", etc. You know, in the common sense section.
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wow, FFie at tus :o :D
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just say me where is written
The same place where it says "don't cheat", "don't create unnecessary work for others", etc. You know, in the common sense section.
hahaha one short line and more balls and sense than whole es put together ;D
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i am not a breaker rules, just say me where is written and np.
Aliasing = being dishonest.
Being dishonest in a league/tourney = you can get punished for it.
Do we really have to spell that out for anyone who uses his head before doing something? Do we have to write a rule for every conceivable way someone can cheat?
People should own up to their actions. It's a very worrisome trend, that they don't...
BTW: the reason RoH is still on good terms with eS is cause RoH is awesome and on good terms with just about everyone.
BTW 2: WO is really FFie's show, I haven't been active with it for a couple of years (only a few things I did this year).
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i am not a breaker rules, just say me where is written and np.
Aliasing = being dishonest.
Being dishonest in a league/tourney = you can get punished for it.
Do we really have to spell that out for anyone who uses his head before doing something? Do we have to write a rule for every conceivable way someone can cheat?
People should own up to their actions. It's a very worrisome trend, that they don't...
BTW: the reason RoH is still on good terms with eS is cause RoH is awesome and on good terms with just about everyone.
BTW 2: WO is really FFie's show, I haven't been active with it for a couple of years (only a few things I did this year).
And it's funny that you punished only me and eS, in the last WO editions noone said anything even when it were obvious aliasers there, what can you say about this?
http://2010w.wormolympics.com/countries/Bolivia
WO is really a joke, anyone can host and manipulate.
You cheated, you stole our points.
Go to f@#! off pls.
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I've muted you Kaleu. This is because you insulting WO staff and you don't stop. (previously you called FFie names) If you can't talk in an appropriate manner, better not talk at all.
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good job MI, you have just did what i don't wanted to say, but hoped for. ;)
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anyone can host and manipulate.
Yea this is true, and anyone who knows WO knows also that a lot of players are playing there with aliases. You act like this were such a new thing omg :D
And I think this punishment will change nothing and you also know this.. Maybe you did now even worse..
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You guys are really ruining the meaning of the Olympics. It's supposed to promote cooperation and friendship among players, nations and in our case also clans. Your actions encourage the complete opposite. What's most sad is that you can't take responsibility for your actions.
There's a lot of work behind orginazing these two events every year, which FFie's been doing since it first started out in 2004. The least you could do is to apologize, but if that's really too much to ask for, then maybe we're all better off without WO.
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Im not trying to be cool, im just saying my thing. Professor is my friend, but i dont need to agree with him all time. I have a mind...And if we lost was ur fault and u know that. I'm zillian and i dont need to show how im cool. and u? what are u trying to be? whatever! bad start ae
HUauahua I knew you would jump liek a bitch at me again, you really can't separate joke from something serious, if you don't know I'm zillian also, bastardo.
hey bastardinho...lose weight :)
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oh sure "alias" is dishonest. But it exists since 2004. What u mods had been done to avoid it? Ur site is a joke, u rules is a joke, and WO and cheaters walking togheter since 2004. Even myself already did alias (for replace players who must to leave b4 the end of the tourney) in some tourneys last editions and i didnt get a punsihment. Everybody does it.
But for the last edition, u became after a loong time, a justicer, punishing a clan with -45 points at the end of the league.
D1, dont talk about u dont know. No one is fighiting vs RoH here. RoH is aboslutelly innocent. And eS clan has all right to complaint, unhapply TUS isnt the best place, but the supreme Olympics also doesnt have a website with some "forum" and the moderator also doesnt answer e-mails - ah may i am wrong - She just answer the her friends's emails.
I dunno why u keep feeding it, i already said: no more things to say. Wont change happen. Yesterday i was feeling sad for it. Today i am feeling much better, coz our job wont be wasted by a bad decision. What We did, will be there, even with punishmnets or not.
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Even myself already did alias (for replace players who must to leave b4 the end of the tourney)
You made fake, not alias lol
you talking about things with serious accent when on reallity you have no clue about it
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sorry Peja, we arent people with disabillty. Keep blamming and i ll make sure to become You one. Just pay more respect here if u havent one.
Ah, i was forgetting... instead u blame here, try to improve ur skillz inside the game... my last game agaisnt You was very easy for my clan. U are losing time, man!
with this words u will destroying your clan , and loose more the respect :P
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i did it. In that WO i didnt, because Jooako needed an aliaser and i couldnt play for him. Oh, FFie what u are waiting? Give me a punsihment -500 points for the next olympics! xDDDDD
I am not defending the aliasers, i am just talking about the 37.10²² fails what WO has. As i said, everybody does and i already saw others players doing this. eS clan is just the duck of the story.
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If you hate wo so much,just stop playing it (starting with next winter)
End of story :)
You whine about aliasers not being punished in the past years.There is always a start for everything,maybe they developed a new way of catching aliases this year.
You guys were the first victims...so what ? Get over it.
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there is a huge f@#!ing difference with aliases in wo, who do it just to be annonymous... with no goals to manipulate, or benefit a clan, country, or personaly..
you f@#!tarts created fake names, and represented eS with who knows how many names, and fake players and are shocked you got penalized, and your shocked no one has any respect for your clan...
lets be honest, eS sucks... the fact that you even came in 2nd place is a joke to the worms community... all you guys do is cheat, fake, and avoid...
f@#! eS
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Everybody does it.
1. no
2. if u dont like it so much dont participate in it...
3. if u dont care about it why all that bullshit to win by cheap shit?? and now whinning coz get caught haha no idea what to say, mega pathetic
4. ok make better olympics if u say no1 do anything otherway stfu maybe??
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avirex apparently you need a timeout too.
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I think WO's can be enjoyed aswell ignoring these kinda of things.
Nothing is perfect, even the league professor made, it wasnt as popular as wormolympics, you have to assume it, and that was the main reason it had not aliases and stuff.
With popularity there comes badasses, we all know it, and we should deal with it, and stop feeding it, if someone else jumps out of a window, you dont have the need to do it to win.
There will be always people trying to mess the things up...
Even Incog made some aliases, I didnt expect it, I thought we were having a good challenge, but... just dissapointed.
if eS made something bad to win, they got their slap, ok. if they didnt, whatever, this is a game after all.
Maybe no one will remember about WO's 10 years later and this will be remembered like a good moment we had in internet.
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nice words, Gab. It was smart. +1
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Lot of drama interresting topic :D.
The way I see it is like octoberfiest:
You go there to discover beer but first of all to enjoy and have fun.
Well, WO is meant to be for fun to discover new scheme and a bit of competition but a bit ! Lot of new scheme where you see new people doing great. It's meant to be an event for fun with some competition but it's not the main point of WO at all ! The way I see things is that there are some new people who came to WO trying to win it by any mean and it end up with the staff of WO being wondering if they want to stop it. If you don't see that WO is meant to be fun, fair play, where result matter just a little WO is better without you.
I think it is very sad what you guys are doing. You totally kill the spirit of the WO, but I want to say to FFie and D1 that there are still lot of people who love the WO :)
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see that video and say me about olympic spirit, i guess u can understand how someone feels when is cheated:
Vanderlei Cordeiro didnt win the gold medal even being cheated. Where is ur olympic spirit now? Is it cool? Cmon. No one plays to lose.
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lol profe!!!!! This vid. THIS VID!!! Its perfect example of how you need to be. Just look at him, they f@#! up his win, but he is still happy being not 1st and still shows huge respect to his opponent, he is a really awesome example. Now look at you, you got pretty deserved penalty but keep blaming everybody who isnt agree with your mind. And what you want to say with this vid eh?
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Vanderlei complainted many times in COI and after 6 years ~ He recieved a honor medal. He still doesnt get the gold even being cheated. RoH is innocent, i said. I am complaint vs the WO staff. But wont change nothing. U guys are feeding this thread.
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Cya in 6 years then. Case closed.
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Stop pretending like worms olympics is like the real olympics. Real olympians sacrifice, train like crazy, push themselves to the max physically, all for the possibility of representing their country. Last time I checked, Usain Bolt doesn't play for a clan. Worms olympics is instead represented by whiny players who grouse when they lose because they clearly tried to fix the results (because it means so much to win the WO anyways, lol). And aliases. You don't see a little korean man show up to the olympics with a Michael Phelps swimming cap on.
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Professor, you are making it sound like as if your clan was the only one being affected. Thing is, it wasn't. Che was punished too, -15 points, they ended up falling out of the Top5. CfC lost 30 points, fell one place back. TaG lost 105 points, RS lost 130. Yet, you are the only one being angry about it, probably because you are the only one not accepting how the system of fair play works. You do something bad, you get busted, you get punished. Sure, you lost a first place. I understand it must hurt. But what you need to understand is that this wasn't about eS at all. We checked every player who participated, we didn't make exceptions. Heck, I even inspected FFie, DarkOne, Mablak, and several other of my friends, because if I hadn't, it would have been unfair towards everyone else. And I trust FFie checked me. I know I did.
Your problem is that by punishing Kaleu, you lost just enough points to lose the 1st place. But what do you expect? Being part of a clan means whatever you do, it affects your clan. If you win medals, your clan's points rise. If you cheat and you get a penalty, your clan will suffer the consequences. Yet, you are angry at us, angry at the system, angry at anyone who doesn't agree with you, instead of being angry at Kaleu. Did you tell him he did wrong? Did he apologize to the clan for messing up your victory?
You say that just because one player did something wrong, your clan shouldn't be punished for it. Fine, but then everything positive Kaleu did during WO for your clan should also be taken away. In that case, eS would have 698 points, missing the first place by 26 points. You can't just say your clan doesn't have anything to do with its members' faults, but still get points for their victories.
Also, you mentioned us being unfair for punishing people for aliasing even though there are no rules about that. As it was said before, aliasing being a punishable fault is so much common sense, that none of thought it should be written down. Rest assured, it will be during the next WO. But you can't say you haven't been warned, as two players - sm0k and Tavo001, who later turned out to be Twy - recieved penalties for aliasing during WO. When that happened, you should have thought "Ah, apparently aliasing is bad, I should tell my teammates they should stay away from doing that!". Did you do that? If you did, then shame on you, Kaleu, for not listening to the clan leader. If you didn't, why didn't you? But anyways, "no alias" is common sense. I don't know how long have you been playing this game, maybe it isn't apparent for you. I've been playing worms online since 2005, and I never thought I should pose as someone else - whether as an existing player or someone new -, because I take pride in that I am Balee, from the clan UT. It's what I am, with all my positive and negative properties, my mediocre skills, and my undying love for justice. I, personally, have never understood why some people try to hide who they are. Why are they doing it? Are they shy? Do they want to hide that they haven't played in a while? Why? I just don't know. Aliasing is something I don't understand, and probably never will.
Kaleu, you told me in the shoutbox the other day that you did tell the moderator, while you were using an alias, who you were. I'm not saying that isn't true. But if you did tell them, why didn't they submit the results with your name? And why did you have to do it several times, with three nicks in total? And why didn't you email FFie to admit what you have done when you saw sm0k and Tavo001 getting punished for aliasing? Did it not occur to you that you may be doing something wrong? If it didn't, then sorry, but you have a lot to learn before you can call anyone names. You did something wrong while you knew exactly what you are doing. There's no escape from that. If we made a mistake, and you didn't alias, and you even provide evidence that you didn't, we'd of course reconsider. But the fact is you did. You did and you knew you were doing something bad. For that, you deserve your penalty just as much as everyone else who aliased or otherwise cheated.
I'd like to see the end of this entire charade. There was nothing unfair about this. And there was also nothing personal about this. Thing is, I don't even know you guys. I wasn't paying attention to which clan's player I'm checking, why would I? My clan wasn't in that race of yours. If it was, and you'd call me unfair, even though you'd still be wrong, at least you'd have a reason to do so. Now you don't have any reason, except the one that we busted an eS member and you lost the first place. Better luck next time.
Also, I'm just gonna leave this modified list of clans here. I calculated the average points players in each clan had. Of course, the penalties are averaged too. It basically shows the average skill AND involvement of the players in each clan. It speaks for itself, in my opinion.
http://privatepaste.com/43f24e6dd1 (http://privatepaste.com/43f24e6dd1)
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This reminds me of the mentality of some of those Brazilians in the cl2k days, competitive to the point of being unethical, and never admitting when they were wrong. Just admit your mistakes, guys.
oh sure "alias" is dishonest. But it exists since 2004. What u mods had been done to avoid it? Ur site is a joke, u rules is a joke, and WO and cheaters walking togheter since 2004. Even myself already did alias (for replace players who must to leave b4 the end of the tourney) in some tourneys last editions and i didnt get a punsihment. Everybody does it.
But for the last edition, u became after a loong time, a justicer, punishing a clan with -45 points at the end of the league.
You're completely contradicting yourself. If WO is such a joke, then why would you possibly care about getting first place? You're spitting all over FFie and D1's hard work, think before you start insulting and blaming the very people you depend on, who make this community a better place. You should know that aliasing isn't allowed, and even if you weren't aware, that's no excuse. I think it's safe to say the whole community is against you on this one, maybe something worth taking into consideration.
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TaG lost 105 points
Actually dunno why TaG was signed up in this WO, we were inactive at this time ;)
Too much drama, this is a pc game of worms... come on.
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there are too many oppinions, but we didnt move the talk from the same place. Alias is forbidden? Ok, i never said nothing against. I am just complaiting - not blamming - about the eS clan had ur points stoled because 1 player played using other names... Ok, u guys think the punsihment fair, i wont discuss about it anymore.
But when a result gained inside the game is absolutelly changed due extragame reasons... Resultas gained inside the game. Even all punishments arround the world cant erase it. eS gained 741 points playing Worms Armageddon fairly. That's all.
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sorry for offtop but who else thought thats komo`s post when looked at bale`s? ;D
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sorry for offtop but who else thought thats komo`s post when looked at bale`s? ;D
haha whenever i see a post organized into paragraphs i think of komo.
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@professor, it isn't the first time Kaleu has aliased. For example Gif (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Gif/) from Sweden was kalue which also joined ie community of yours. There's also possibility of more aliases of him in TUS. imho your first problem is internal.
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maybe kaleu plays on pc and notebook same time with 2 accounts so he can get free wins with random naps ;D
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Skipped through this, I agree with avirex, I don't play WA seriously anymore because of clans and people like eS and it's members, I am such a nice guy in real life, but my frustration and anger at clans and people like eS and many more on this game bring the worst out in me, and I refuse to let that happen anymore, I am not a f@#!ing kid anymore, I can't stand spending my time on a game with brainless evil backstabbing c@#!s day in day out.
eS, take note of this:
What you are doing actually influences other people to copy the same behavioral patterns.
I have played this game since July 1999, I was lucky enough to be a part of this game before things like YouTube and f@#!ing Facebook etc were around, back when being part of something like this was inspiring, full of so many many talented and wonderful people, right now I am almost about to become successful in music, it's been my dream since I was 5 years old, people like Link, Avatar, M3ntal, ropa, wormf00d, Mablak, OutofOrder, lalo, oldsock, avirex(back in the day), deano, Jmoberg, TheWalrus and TheFudo, dogma, Nimmer/BigC TheSheriFF, Bud, Rhy, Dw33b, fabrousse and TheClash, and many many many many more... Have made me who the f@#! I am today, they have helped shaped the nice side of my personality, the sharing funny interesting and talented side.
I was one of the lucky ones, what the hell do people have to gain from the community of WA these days? Arguements? Cheating? Aliasing? Bad Sportsmanship? Clan-Hopping and changing name every month? f@#!ing Karma?!?! Avoiding? Free wins? The list goes on and on...
Young kids in their teens are mostly at a stage in their life where the biggest part of their personalities are influenced by the people they spend time with and the activities they do, I REALLY feel sorry for the younger generation of WA addicts.
I will take this game and the friendships to my grave when I die, this goes to ALL the old timers, it's been a f@#!ing pleasure and an honor, seriously.
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Well said.
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wow, that was so true Komo :'(
(http://i.qkme.me/35qx0f.jpg)
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I don't play WA seriously anymore because of clans and people like eS and it's members
Interesting.. when we were playing clanner, you seemed to be enjoying the game and there were no problems. Just to make you remember, you had those bng problems not with us.. so I can't understand you now..
By the way anyone here could make a nice list from people he/she likes in this community, because there are a lot of nice people around here. Before W:A I played an other game online, but I stopped it, coz there were only clumsy childs playing there. When I started playing this game, I didn't take it seriously, coz it were already an old game, but I couldn't stop playing it, coz I've met a good guy every day (in last time the eS members).
To be honest, I can't remember a topic what eS started to cry about something. Maybe because we don't have any problems with the others or better: we don't open useless topics like this one, coz these topics always make this community a little bit worse.. So we usually solve our problems at our private forum, but there is always a spy (we know who made the screenshots now.. you would be really surprised guys, but I won't write his name) in our team who opens topics like this and make our reputation bad.. but who cares about that.. the worse thing that they make the community worse.
ps.: it's very funny for me that you want always a spy in our team, coz YOU are interested what we are doing. :D
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at least there is always some action and you have something to discuss :D
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Tomi, I have no problems with you, obviously there are some nice players in eS, but not many.
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What's the actual problem with someone playing under a different nickname on WO? Or even multiple nicknames. As long he/she doesn't get free wins against his/her other nick, I don't see any advantages.
Also, creating new rules to hand out punishments after the game ended is incredibly childish and unfair.
Not like I care about WO, or I think that it should be played like some of my clanmates do, but these punishments are unfair. Rules should be formed before the game starts, not after. Maybe some people should think twice before preaching about manner.
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Well said, too.
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Prankster: There are so many problems with aliasing that I won't even bother listing them all. They include, however, giving FFie a lot more work, and outright lying to others. And if lying isn't a punishable thing, nothing is.
Also, please refer to my long post where I mentioned it several times that this isn't a new rule. This is a rule that's been around for ages. But sure, let's say for a moment that "been around for ages" isn't a valid reason. As far as I know, aliasing is forbidden on TUS. You play TUS, so does most - if not all - of the players involved in aliasing cases. I kept being reminded during WO how popular and influential TUS is. "Hey, is this the TUS scheme?" "TUS rules?" I had occasions when people would tell me that something is allowed in TUS, so why isn't it allowed in WO, or why am I even complaining that they did what they did. It appeared that enthusiastic TUS players consider TUS the one and only source of rules, schemes and various other things. That being said, why is it that some people assumed the usage of Wormkit modules during WO games, even though the description didn't call for using them, was acceptable because it is in TUS, but none of you seem to have assumed aliasing may just be outruled in WO, as it is here - and rightfully so. Furthermore, again, as I said in my long post, it's not that you didn't get any warnings. Both sm0k and Tavo001 had been punished for aliasing, not entirely sure when, but definitely not towards the end of WO. Maybe even before the half point. You are saying, that none of you involved - either directly or indirectly - have ever taken a look at the player standings, notice sm0k - who was in the top 30, if not higher, so he most likely was visible for most of you unless your resolution is 800x600 -, notice him having a red score, get curious what it means, read the reason why he was penalized, and then put one and one together and think "herp derp aliasing isn't allowed"? Are you really saying that people like you guys, some of you who are so competitive it may well be unhealthy, have never did all this? I'd find that hard to believe. At least one of the eS members had to read it, and then go like "lololol sm0k got punished" with the rest of you wondering and then checking why. If you didn't, then... wow, it's a miracle you realized eS had more points than RoH, because it'd mean you were entirely oblivious to the standings.
You're saying punishments are unfair. I say aliasing is unfair. Punishments only affect a handful of people. Aliasing affects the entire community. Those who can't figure out which is more important don't deserve being part of the WA community, in my opinion.
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come on es its enough crying about this penalty. sm0k was penalized on the first week (http://wormolympics.com/t694)! even kaleus alias was removed from the list to avoid getting punished. and scorpus already said he warned him. so dont act like you are surprised. in any competion you sign in with 1 nick otherwise result gets deleted.
besides this case, you still have medal points for gusanos (who never appeared on any es rooster) and bryan from a tourney (http://wormolympics.com/t924#results) with not enough players (twy played with 2 nicks on a tourney with 16 players) . so even without this deserved penalty you would have lost the race with roh.
was damm close, you did a nice job. be happy with this acchievement and gg.
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lol @this debate :).
It takes 5 page for eS to understand alias=bad... Aww wait.. they still didn't get it :D.
I'll try to make it understandable:
alias=bad
avoiding=bad
If you bad boy and alias you get punished by evil mod.
Seriously, if we go this way one day we will have a rule like that:
"While playing a game, killing your opponent in real life does not count as a win."
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"While playing a game, killing your opponent in real life does not count as a win."
LOL :D
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Rules should be formed before the game starts, not after. Maybe some people should think twice before preaching about manner.
u speak like people who get burned by tea and make complaint coz they didint know it was hot...
maybe sm1 can say: why u didint tell me that i have to take care of my child before having sex after it is born??
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Rules should be formed before the game starts, not after. Maybe some people should think twice before preaching about manner.
u speak like people who get burned by tea and make complaint coz they didint know it was hot...
maybe sm1 can say: why u didint tell me that i have to take care of my child before having sex after it is born??
Actually, if you order a tea and the service doesn't tell you that the tea is very hot it is a valid complaint when you burn your tongue.
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Yeah, and it if happens in America you can sue the company and get millions of dollars in compensation :P
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omg...this topic is rly annoying...what are u doiing here guys? ??? ? lets play worms and be happy xD its over, we lost, roh won! lets just play :P
what would be the tus without eS? graceless :P
@Komo hahahahahahahaha xD "right now I am almost about to become successful in music" success in your life! ae hahahahahahahahah xD
EDIT: stop always say something like "to eS understand" u must remember that the clan is made up of people and everyone has their opinion. So if you want to speak their minds, define the person and not generalize to the clan! i could hate and speak ill of many clans coz i dont like they or dont agree with some. but would not it be unfair?
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lol @this debate :).
It takes 5 page for eS to understand alias=bad... Aww wait.. they still didn't get it :D.
Alias is forbidden? Ok, i never said nothing against.
I havent sure if many of ppl here know to read...
lets play worms and be happy xD
Actually even playing worms isnt enough to win, we need to have:
Better luck next time.
its over, we lost, roh won!
Yeah, first time in history (i guess) where the 2nd place won the main prize :)
Aliasing affects the entire community.
Just 1 more question supreme justicer: Can u explain me how Kaleu bugged the WO System with his alias? Well, Did Kaleu gain some advantage in game? Did kaleu playing under differents names affected the hoster to make pairings? See: i am not defending the aliasers. I am just asking because in TUS, alias really can bug (aliasing u can to get more points, u can join + 1 clan at the same time...).
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EDIT: stop always say something like "to eS understand" u must remember that the clan is made up of people and everyone has their opinion. So if you want to speak their minds, define the person and not generalize to the clan! i could hate and speak ill of many clans coz i dont like they or dont agree with some. but would not it be unfair?
Not sure if you directed this towards me as well, but if you did, I'm sorry, I didn't intend to generalize.
Aliasing affects the entire community.
Just 1 more question supreme justicer: Can u explain me how Kaleu bugged the WO System with his alias? Well, Did Kaleu gain some advantage in game? Did kaleu playing under differents names affected the hoster to make pairings? See: i am not defending the aliasers. I am just asking because in TUS, alias really can bug (aliasing u can to get more points, u can join + 1 clan at the same time...).
When writing a lot, mistakes happen. What I meant to write was "Aliasing can affect the entire community." Thank you for pointing that out.
About the effects a single case - or three cases now, more like - of aliasing are nearly impossible to guess, since it would need careful inspection of every game the player played with and without aliasing, comparing them to games outside WO, and so on. This would probably take months. As such, simplifications have to occur. In this case, everyone who used aliases was punished.
But I don't think I ever said Kaleu "bugged the WO system". But yes, aliasing certainly has at least one obvious advantage, that is having your opponent underestimate you. Seeing Kaleu as your opponent may get you bring your A-game - and please, don't start judging Kaleu's true level of skill now, there's no need for that -, while seeing an unknown player may get you think you don't have to be as careful or you don't need to work as hard for your victory. Imagine playing against a top rated player who's using a nick that you have never seen on WormNET. So, yeah, that's one of the more obvious effects.
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@Balee, to all dude ;)
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isnt it the same case if i play under just 1 alias?
example: titahemp as roladuradoce - WWO 2010 Champion and WO 2012 Player?
other example: TAG clan as MAR clan - WWO 2010
3rd example: Kitar, WWO2012 Champion
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No, it isn't.
Also, this was the first - but not the last - WO where we checked aliases. We did so because it was apparent that a handful of players were using them, so we decided to be more thorough.
I don't know who KiTar was, nor do I know about this TaG = MAR thing, but the case of Titahemp is a clear one and a good example for what I want to say: The problem doesn't come from you, Kaleu or anyone else using one nickname, during the entire WO, even if that name isn't the usual one. The problem comes when someone plays with both - or more - nicks. The case of Tita this year - I wasn't here last year, had a long break - isn't aliasing because he was playing as Rola during the entire WO, and he never hid his identity from anyone. When I played against him, I knew it was him even before the pairings were announced. But even if he would have stayed hidden and acted as if he wasn't Tita, but Rola, it wouldn't be aliasing because everyone is free to use whetever nicks they want - provided they use only one, of course.
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But even if he would have stayed hidden and acted as if he wasn't Tita, but Rola, it wouldn't be aliasing because everyone is free to use whetever nicks they want - provided they use only one, of course.
But yes, aliasing certainly has at least one obvious advantage, that is having your opponent underestimate you. Seeing Kaleu as your opponent may get you bring your A-game - and please, don't start judging Kaleu's true level of skill now, there's no need for that -, while seeing an unknown player may get you think you don't have to be as careful or you don't need to work as hard for your victory. Imagine playing against a top rated player who's using a nick that you have never seen on WormNET. So, yeah, that's one of the more obvious effects.
u are contradicing urself...
So aliasing is allowed in WO since u just do 1 alias?
So 1 alias cant confuse a player, but more of 1 can do it?
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Also, more names give us a lot more work. And we already have enough of that without them.
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Young kids in their teens are mostly at a stage in their life where the biggest part of their personalities are influenced by the people they spend time with and the activities they do, I REALLY feel sorry for the younger generation of WA addicts.
I will take this game and the friendships to my grave when I die, this goes to ALL the old timers, it's been a f@#!ing pleasure and an honor, seriously.
I feel the same way, I wouldn't have stuck around a minute if you or hhc or oldsock weren't still hanging around here when i first came back a year ago. Even though i only lasted a few months playing regularly, im sure of what the reason was. It was just a hollow feeling playing the game without the people from 10 years ago. I think your right in that we were all 14, 15, 16, 17 year olds coming of age. Everyone was starting to smoke ciggs and drink and get girls, ect ect. I remember games we had komo, 3-4 hour warmers where we would leave our computers on during a break, you would go out to the store to buy ciggs and i would sneak out to my garage to smoke weed so my parents wouldn't know. It'll never be like that again, we're adults now. Wormnet was wide open, websites and leagues were springing up all over it seemed like, the community was so alive. It didn't hurt that at that time, 90% of wormnet had the same native language. So yeah, its different now, if i had a wand id bring back dontmess, molson, quietstorm, tenchi, custick, novicane, goaty, dw33b, mojo, danceman, jmo, volrin, ect. At least it would feel the same though. The fact is Komo, our time passed a long time ago. We are dinosaurs. None of these people will really care about all these names they've never heard of that played for 3 years on this game 8 years ago. But we know. And i guess we'll always remember how great this game was at its peak.
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besides this case, you still have medal points for gusanos (who never appeared on any es rooster) and bryan from a tourney (http://wormolympics.com/t924#results) with not enough players (twy played with 2 nicks on a tourney with 16 players) . so even without this deserved penalty you would have lost the race with roh.
was damm close, you did a nice job. be happy with this acchievement and gg.
Well, that Maloyo was the real Maloyo, It wasn't me at that time :D also "Roman", there was an Argentinian Roman then I took his nickname. I will keep playing with alot of aliases (in order to just play, not to try to get points to some clan or country) unless be illegal, seriously, nobody is loosing money due that.
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Some people are losing time due to that though...
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But even if he would have stayed hidden and acted as if he wasn't Tita, but Rola, it wouldn't be aliasing because everyone is free to use whetever nicks they want - provided they use only one, of course.
But yes, aliasing certainly has at least one obvious advantage, that is having your opponent underestimate you. Seeing Kaleu as your opponent may get you bring your A-game - and please, don't start judging Kaleu's true level of skill now, there's no need for that -, while seeing an unknown player may get you think you don't have to be as careful or you don't need to work as hard for your victory. Imagine playing against a top rated player who's using a nick that you have never seen on WormNET. So, yeah, that's one of the more obvious effects.
u are contradicing urself...
No, I really don't. I was talking about the case you brought up, Tita being 3rd during WWO2011 with the nick RoladuraDoce. While he was playing with that nick, he still was open about his clan, mm, who I'm sure you know are no small fries. Just like anyone else with a decent knowledge on clans knows. As such, a player with a nick like "mm`rolamole" is still somebody players should do their best against, while "171", "Two" and "Peshoh" are nobodies when it comes to fame or apparent ability.
So aliasing is allowed in WO since u just do 1 alias?
So 1 alias cant confuse a player, but more of 1 can do it?
That depends.
If 1 alias = having your own nickname AND another one during the same WO, then no.
If 1 alias = having a different nickname than your own during the entire WO, then yes. As far as I know, that is allowed.
Also, I'm really getting tired of this. You seem to be understanding almost nothing of what I'm saying. If your idea of justice is that it's fine as long as it doesn't involve you or your clan's members, then you have a serious problem. Fix it. Until then, stop trying to be smarter than people who are clearly smarter than you. For the time being, though, I'm done explaining myself to you, even though my - and FFie's - actions were crystal clear, while yours are shady and difficult to understand.
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hehehehe i agree with You Balee, u dont need to try explain anymore. Well, u just did the easy job, RoH is more stronger than eS and They are more older, more pop, more cool. I am with You 8)
:-\ Just admit: eS did 741 points. No one of these 741 points was gained with any cheats. :-\
Cmon, dont get it tired! We are in peace! Check, my hungary friend, there are 2 things what eS clan and his players never did in Worms:
1. Win Leagues by Moderators helps - our style is win playing the game :-*
2. Cheat TUS forums to read pvt stuff and to take screenshots. ;)
eS members, that issue is done. Pls dont post here anymore. We have a not-so-much private forum to talk about it.
Cya all ae and pls i am up to play some tus, ask me in #ag soon!
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Punishments only affect a handful of people. Aliasing affects the entire community.
How exactly aliasing at WO affects the entire community? Again, it doesn't give any advantage, well, except if you got paired with your own alias - but this can only happen if you use multiple nicknames.
If the problem is that multiple nicknames generate much more work, then ban and punish multiple nicknames. Or limit the number of players (yes, I know you will). Because increasing popularity does the same. But simple aliasing doesn't have to do anything with this.
I know what's really bugging you, it's the style of playing, which is kinda impossible to punish, so you brought up this aliasing thing to punish some guys you don't like, because that's forbidden at TUS leagues (at least this is what your argument implies). But seems like you did not think through why is that so. I hope I don't have to explain the Élő system. WO doesn't run anything like that, afaik.
I never knew aliasing was forbidden at WO, because I don't see any problem with it. Also I'm quite sure there were a lot aliasing before as well. If it was such a big problem, you could have clarified the punishments already before the games started.
Make it invite only, I know FFie's planning to do it. That might solve your problem. But please. If you do so, let the players know that in advance.
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It's more about the principle here :)
FFie and Balee (really, he's done a lot for WO the last couple of editions) work their asses off during WO (and this year, till 2 weeks after it actually ends) and causing problems during tourneys, aliasing, cheating etc is basically pissing over all that work.
Nobody likes it if people do that to something they work on. You wouldn't like it either. I bet Kaleu wouldn't like it either if he ever were to do something like WO (or really anything at all). Don't act surprised when people who organise something finally reach the limits of their patience.
People should be more wise in their treatment of project organisers like FFie, or they will create another Kiros.
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lmfao
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It's more about the principle here :)
FFie and Balee (really, he's done a lot for WO the last couple of editions) work their asses off during WO (and this year, till 2 weeks after it actually ends) and causing problems during tourneys, aliasing, cheating etc is basically pissing over all that work.
Nobody likes it if people do that to something they work on. You wouldn't like it either. I bet Kaleu wouldn't like it either if he ever were to do something like WO (or really anything at all). Don't act surprised when people who organise something finally reach the limits of their patience.
People should be more wise in their treatment of project organisers like FFie, or they will create another Kiros.
That explains it all! Kiros was artificial created by extraterrestrials that tried a new prototype of android to rule a small group of human beings. They wanted to see how far they can push it before humans start to abandon the league and do their own thing. Unfortunately, after the failure, the self-destruct function was malfunctioning and Kiros raged and destroyed the small AL league with a self developed "good cop, bad cop" protocol, intruded the site by trying to help and destroy it from within. I still sometimes wake up late at night in fear of being abducted and raped by "him". :(
Sry for off-topic, and of course just kidding. :D
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Point was: even Kiros started with a positive attitude ;)
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yeeee so just stay calm or this shit will happen again...
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(...) so you brought up this aliasing thing to punish some guys you don't like (...)
I'm sorry, are you accusing FFie and me with being biased against eS? Really?
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(...) so you brought up this aliasing thing to punish some guys you don't like (...)
I'm sorry, are you accusing FFie and me with being biased against eS? Really?
Erm. No. Why do you think so? :o
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Detailed on IRC! :P