old drowning bug

twistah · April 10, 2012, 09:42 AM

so i've played an tus elite vs franzbob. well, i did kami down to drown his worm and make it a draw. now once again my worm plops (u even hear the drowning) but his worm stands above the water. i know this bug for ages and it's so old. i'm wondering it didnt get fixed yet. it's even worse. back then the worm standed on the water. now theres pretty much an inch terrain untill the water. such games, is it a bug or did i lose now? kinda irritated

NAiL · April 10, 2012, 04:04 PM

pics or it didnt happen

StepS · April 10, 2012, 04:36 PM

post a replay. maybe some little pixel was still remaining under the enemy worm (which I'm assured)

Statik · April 10, 2012, 04:38 PM

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-106667/

last turn, 16:25

Peja · April 10, 2012, 04:52 PM

theres much more then a pixel left

KoreanRedDragon · April 10, 2012, 05:03 PM

This one is documented pretty well on the wiki: http://worms2d.info/Kamikaze_drowning_glitch

It's not so much a bug, just the way the weapon works. Fixing it would mean having to find a new way for Kamikaze to work, which is probably why nothing has been done about it. Personally, I'm not even sure I'd want it fixed because it's something that can be planned for (i.e. it can be considered a skill to avoid it), but then I'm weird like that.

Cool to see so much of the terrain stay, though. But bad luck that it should happen at such an important moment.

lacoste · April 10, 2012, 09:46 PM

Its indeed a good thing to have it. 1 more detail you must be aware of - you either dig a straight tunnel being sure it will work or explode to make a plop hole before triggering this glitch. Not to mention situations where you can force opponent for kami-plop knowing it wont plop you (rare, but possible and fooling like that must feel great xd). The only bad thing i can think of is having tiny land (like for example on roper) on the water and making kami from high distance, then you can count on luck.

twistah · April 10, 2012, 10:28 PM

i don't believe that you can do that move on purpose, lol. well, on the other hand i didn't really try it. i mean how often do i need to kami down like this in an elite? not so often, and if i do, sometimes it happens. not sure, but of course frustrating if you lose a game like this. specially if it happened like a douzen times already XD

lacoste · April 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

Its a nasty thing if you forget about it, still its easy to avoid if you know kami distance well. Activate kamikaze and press continously "S" button to see how far it goes every frame - its constant since kami has the same speed all the way. If theres land all over the kami distance and you activate it in the correct position, the last frame move will be "fake" in that way that it wont open the land and explosion should happen in water but worm will plop instead (leaving that x pixel distance from last frame). Hope you understand.

Edit: Dario made a picture in his guide explaining how it works:

Statik · April 10, 2012, 11:34 PM

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

twistah · April 11, 2012, 08:29 AM

alright. what about the kami distance in general? i remember from back then that it's not always the same range. sometimes it's even twice as long as kami down for example

NAiL · April 11, 2012, 08:37 AM

somebody needs to brush up on their kamikaze knowledge

damn.. what happened to NNN forums? Dario had a weapons guide that explained how kami works in great detail, anyone got a link to it?

Peja · April 11, 2012, 10:10 AM

sure: http://www.normalnonoobs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3&sid=03107e65a80b3369d20afd07bc7ed7d3

NAiL · April 11, 2012, 10:45 AM

^ good lad