Poll
Question:
More active on WA when 3.8 comes?
Option 1: Absolutely!
votes: 13
Option 2: I guess I will have a look and play a few games, but after I will go back to whatever I was doing before.
votes: 6
Option 3: WA is dead/dying it doesn't matter what they bring to it.
votes: 7
Option 4: Maybe.
votes: 14
Yeah, I am curious, will you play or be more active when 3.8 gets released?
I'd personally would hype for the 4.0 instead of 3.8 since 3.8 is too freaking insistent over the TUS forums. After all, if W:A will gain WWP Mission support in 4.0, I would make my Mission Rampage edition (based on WWPR) of the Ultimate Worms Project story build (based on W:A) obesolete. I personally am active as is (very active) on 3.7.2.1 already.
3.8 will fix all the annoying compatibility issues people have with Windows 10. It makes Windowed mode standard and Rubberworm built in so there's no more annoying tinkering or downgrading needed out of the box. Also tons of nice features and extras. That is all we will ever really need or should expect and I feel very lucky that it's happening (.gif).
Over 15 years or whatever it has been, "4.0" has ballooned into a completely ridiculous fantasy. Wayy too many features and "complete rewrites" planned.. it's not realistic whatsoever at this point, at least as laid out at https://worms2d.info/4. Also the 4.0 progress meter at wormsng.com hasn't moved in like 10 years and last I heard coding hasn't even started for it. But version 3.8 has also expanded to include many nice things originally planned for 4.0.
I do plan to play more once 3.8 is released! Good poll.
Quote from: j0e on June 10, 2020, 03:54 AM
Over 15 years or whatever it has been, "4.0" has ballooned into a completely ridiculous fantasy. Wayy too many features and "complete rewrites" planned.. it's not realistic whatsoever at this point, at least as laid out at https://worms2d.info/4. Also the 4.0 progress meter at wormsng.com hasn't moved in like 10 years and last I heard coding hasn't even started for it. But version 3.8 has also expanded to include many nice things originally planned for 4.0.
Stop lying, the progress @ wormsng has actually moved recently :p
Yes, I will be much more active trying out all the new rubberworm options!
Quote from: j0e on June 10, 2020, 03:54 AM
3.8 will fix all the annoying compatibility issues people have with Windows 10. It makes Windowed mode standard and Rubberworm built in so there's no more annoying tinkering or downgrading needed out of the box. Also tons of nice features and extras. That is all we will ever really need or should expect and I feel very lucky that it's happening (.gif).
Over 15 years or whatever it has been, "4.0" has ballooned into a completely ridiculous fantasy. Wayy too many features and "complete rewrites" planned.. it's not realistic whatsoever at this point, at least as laid out at https://worms2d.info/4. Also the 4.0 progress meter at wormsng.com hasn't moved in like 10 years and last I heard coding hasn't even started for it. But version 3.8 has also expanded to include many nice things originally planned for 4.0.
I do plan to play more once 3.8 is released! Good poll.
I swear to Godcat, you are just as obessed with 3.8 and hateful towards 4.0 as the most of this community. You are trying to pillage W:A 2 minor digits away from 3 and 8 just like you try to pillage newer games. Look at you, puny regularities, you are just built on obession and hate. The "ridiculous fantasy" claim even proves that you are obessed with only one Worms game and only one awalted patch. You are an egoistic being just like most other people - walting for one freaking update, which doesn't bring the things that WWPR offers: multiplayer missions are isolated with your claim. I don't give a damn about compatiablity - after all, we have VirtualBox and VMWare for the job. You are just lazybones for a freaking Virtual Machine which can solve problems related to compatiablity by an older version of Windows, ex XP. I don't think we'll have the rad stuff from the offical freeware for a game so similar to W:A, and yet, so isolated due to your egoism and pessimism. You are just a no to work and a yes to wit. D.I.Y. then. Who am I? Your puppet? No, I am your monolith.
We're probably forgetting the inconvenience of playing without favourite WormKit moduels due to staying on the same version for a few years. Let's see how many would break and how much of an impact it would make.
Quote from: j0e on June 10, 2020, 03:54 AM3.8 will fix all the annoying compatibility issues people have with Windows 10
Then Windows updates and you get all of that back and more!
(There were Win10-specific compatibility issues? I've heard primarily Linux stuff)
Quote from: j0e on June 10, 2020, 03:54 AM[3.8] is all we will ever really need
Yeah who the hell needs in-game kicking and a long list of other things (http://feedback.worms2d.info/forums/5998-worms-armageddon).
Quote from: lovEvilution on June 10, 2020, 08:33 AMnew rubberworm options
They aren't new and they won't even be RubberWorm options at that point, just base game options.
Quote from: WTF-8 on June 10, 2020, 12:34 PM
Quote from: j0e on June 10, 2020, 03:54 AM[3.8] is all we will ever really need
Yeah who the hell needs in-game kicking and a long list of other things (http://feedback.worms2d.info/forums/5998-worms-armageddon).
In game kick module is useful and should be default for all that hosts. It is not meant to serve as a troll tool, but rather a troll remover. How many times have games been broken because of an incompatible anomaly? A lot, and at those times having a kick tool would had been useful.
I am American Boot and I'll crash YOUR 3.8!
I am Painis Cupcake and I'll make you regret threatening 4.0.
I am Polish Soldier and I'll make your Armageddon obession go away.
Quote from: WTF-8 on June 10, 2020, 12:34 PMThey aren't new and they won't even be RubberWorm options at that point, just base game options.
There are many new options not seen before in any WK module.
Personally I think 3.8 should have been released at least 2-3 years ago to have any chance of redeeming activity.
I mean, I do still play casually from time to time, but I don't think i'll ever be 8+ hours a day active again simply because there aren't enough people playing Clanners and competitive things I actually like, if I could jump into AG and get a clanner pretty much any time of any day, or if the Darts community became incredibly active again, i'd become active again.
Which actually sucks, I got the news 3.8 would be releasing a while back and my heart actually sunk slightly because I didn't get excited, it was simply an acknowledgement :(
So I voted maybe.
No idea what 3.8 even does so nope still won't be back
Quote from: Y2JID on June 12, 2020, 08:43 AM
No idea what 3.8 even does so nope still won't be back
What's wrong with you? It's here. ::) Heck it's even on main page ;D
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/worms-armageddon-3-8-0-changelog-sneak-peek-32238/
Quote from: Kradie on June 09, 2020, 10:28 PM
Yeah, I am curious, will you play or be more active when 3.8 gets released?
Yes, definitely.
Also, I noticed a bunch of newcomers but they're playing dumb schemes and avoiding "regular players" . Tus community should be more advertised because what this game needs is new generations with true passion.
Quote from: rU` on June 13, 2020, 03:48 PM
Quote from: Kradie on June 09, 2020, 10:28 PM
Yeah, I am curious, will you play or be more active when 3.8 gets released?
Yes, definitely.
Also, I noticed a bunch of newcomers but they're playing dumb schemes and avoiding "regular players" . Tus community should be more advertised because what this game needs is new generations with true passion.
sorry but you would be like a Bible salesman for them xd
I agree 100% with ru. We need a BEGINNERS START here button. With a quick guide on how to get involved. And anything a TUS player is in Anything Goes we should have a generic text we submit into the general chat to try and draw new players in. The TUS and ONL leagues are what hooks people and gets them to come back. If we don't start now are beloved game will be dead soon.
Maybe the text reads : "Hi wormers! Did you know WA has a brilliant vast community and ranked league called TUS? We play 8 different schemes, seasons last 3 months long, and we even have Worms Olympics with cash prizes! TUS is what has held WA together for the last 10 years. If you enjoy this game don't miss out on all the fun TUS players are having! Join us at tus-wa.com/new-members!"
Then the link could be a simple, easy way to get started in TUS.
I also think all TUS players should put the TUS tag in their name as it might make new players curious.
You can't actually believe that this update or any update will bring back activity? Nice to have for anyone that still plays but the games isn't going all of a sudden get a massive stable increase in players. W:A has been been stretched to its limits, just like Komo's arse.
Quote from: Rabbzz on June 14, 2020, 07:04 AM
You can't actually believe that this update or any update will bring back activity? Nice to have for anyone that still plays but the games isn't going all of a sudden get a massive stable increase in players. W:A has been been stretched to its limits, just like Komo's arse.
WA isn't stretched to its limits. It's a phenomenal milestone that it's alive today. You can't say that a lot about other games that STILL receive updates, and with an active user base. I think the update could increase activity, by how much is yet to be seen. Only steam charts will tell.
I can assure you, my arse has plenty stretching left to do, Komo doesn't believe in limits ;)
i guess ill play here and there but 3.8 isnt going to get me online more often
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 17, 2020, 06:09 AM
i guess ill play here and there but 3.8 isnt going to get me online more often
Sad but true...
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I have to admit, some of these replies saddens me a little and here is why; Does anyone of this community appreciate the work & time put into developing 3.8? If DeadCode & Co, wouldn't had bother with anything, WA would probably be less active as it is now, perhaps just a fan game for some die hard fans. Still, for years people have been complaining on and on that the next update is taking so long, and now when it is right around the corner, people don't care? The hell?
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Of course we appreciate their effort, I think most people think them as 2 of the greatest legends involved with Worms Armageddon.
Truth is though, 3.8 took too long and by the time it's came about most of the active community here has moved on, I think there is still a big player base, but it's nothing like what it used to be, competition doesn't exist in the form it used to.
Who can blame these days, with all the shit they've been brainwashed in the past 10 years, not wanting to play a 21 year old game that doesn't have shit you can waste your money on lol.
I think 3.8 will have a big impact on WA. More new players will stay, old players will come back. There will be some degree of a snowball effect. I just don't want to celebrate it too hard until I can actually download and play it. A changelog isn't a downloadable update, and an announcement isn't either. Team17 is well capable of dragging their heels indefinitely approving the patch. They may want to wait until after Worms 2020 is released.. either for manpower or for sales reasons.
Quote from: j0e on June 19, 2020, 01:33 AM
I think 3.8 will have a big impact on WA. More new players will stay, old players will come back. There will be some degree of a snowball effect. I just don't want to celebrate it too hard until I can actually download and play it. A changelog isn't a downloadable update, and an announcement isn't either. Team17 is well capable of dragging their heels indefinitely approving the patch. They may want to wait until after Worms 2020 is released.. either for manpower or for sales reasons.
Nah, 3.8 can suck its Dic Soupcan! The underrating of Russians in Worms Armageddon is what makes you a sin-filled person, just like the rest of 3.8 patch fans. Underrate Wormix players instead, they are far worse than your favorite country of blame (Russia) in Worms Armageddon. They want high ratings, are far more quitty with and far more offensive to low-rating/low-arsenal partners. I only have 98 Rating in Wormix and that's the main reason I get quitters and offenders in Zombie Awakening game mode matchmaking in that said game (Even Rafka is better than Wormix players, despite my hatred being directed upon him after the 2019-2020 year showdown againist him). Respect Russians in WORMS ARMAGEDDON, underrate them in WORMIX.
To judge something from the changelog (which is quite outdated now and missing several things) is one thing, but to try it is something very different.
Even if you don't take into account all the extended scheme options, you will still want to launch the game every now and then due to how incredibly smooth the ninja rope now is. (especially on 144 Hz, but even on just 60 Hz the difference is huge)
Also, Deadcode isn't stopping any time soon and is expecting to start pushing many smaller updates that will take months rather than years.
Also, as announced previously on Discord, I will be sponsoring several Worms contests after the release of 3.8:
- Worms Scheme Contest 2020 - starting with a $200 prize pool with the possibility of more contributions
- Worm Olympics (Summer/Fall/Winter - TBD) - there will be a prize pool and everyone will be able to win a % based on performance. The tournament will feature brand-new schemes from 3.8. More details later when it's 100% finalized.
Quote from: StepS on June 21, 2020, 08:54 AM
To judge something from the changelog (which is quite outdated now and missing several things) is one thing, but to try it is something very different.
Even if you don't take into account all the extended scheme options, you will still want to launch the game every now and then due to how incredibly smooth the ninja rope now is. (especially on 144 Hz, but even on just 60 Hz the difference is huge)
Also, Deadcode isn't stopping any time soon and is expecting to start pushing many smaller updates that will take months rather than years.
Also, as announced previously on Discord, I will be sponsoring several Worms contests after the release of 3.8:
- Worms Scheme Contest 2020 - starting with a $200 prize pool with the possibility of more contributions
- Worm Olympics (Summer/Fall/Winter - TBD) - there will be a prize pool and everyone will be able to win a % based on performance. The tournament will feature brand-new schemes from 3.8. More details later when it's 100% finalized.
Very nice & thank you very much, StepS <333
Quote from: StepS on June 21, 2020, 08:54 AMdue to how incredibly smooth the ninja rope now is
inb4 oldschoolers boycot 3.8 because the rope doesn't feel the same anymore
Quote from: WTF-8 on June 21, 2020, 11:30 AM
inb4 oldschoolers boycot 3.8 because the rope doesn't feel the same anymore
That would actually be surprising because the new rendering also decreases input lag.
Quote from: Sir-J on June 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
Well sorry to disappoint but I'm bored to tears of this game. And 3.8 doesn't bring anything that would revive my interest at this point. I appreciate devs work though.
I think most of the experienced players feel that way. We always played for fun and for the competition, there was never a single worms professional or esports footprint though, and when the competition went away, so does the desire to get better and play more.
I still play here and there for fun, but its been 20 years on and off, thousands of games, and few new gameplay mechanics, coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase.
There was a window to invigorate the 2d worms fanatics but it seems like it has passed. Deadcode and Cyber have more than done their part many times over even if they and the other maintainers never release 3.8. The game has enjoyed several great incarnations of activity. We are in the twilight, and that is just fine with me.
It's been interesting reading these comments. I've loved Worms since the demo appeared on a copy of Amiga Format and I've watched Team17 progress the franchise over the years. Despite the time that's passed, I keep coming back to Worms Armageddon. It's a true classic. Not just in terms of the principles of the game, but in its execution. Team17 hasn't matched it since. Its old school 'pixel precision' graphics only adds to it. Hats off to Karl Morton and the team.
We have to be very thankful that Deadcode and Cybershadow are continuing to improve this classic, and that they have the source code in the first place. You only have to view the change log to see the attention to detail and the work that's gone into it.
I think 3.8 will make existing users more active, at least to see the differences particularly around the new scheme perhaps different styles of game may appear.
To attract more players and grow the community I think integrating ranks and competitive play is key. A missions editor and a Missions multiplayer channel would also be a fantastic addition. I appreciate both of these are not trivial to implement.
I know some people talk about version 4 which to me sounds like a very ambitious rewrite. Personally I'd like the focus to be on the above and perhaps trying to move from a paletted display to true colour.
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 22, 2020, 07:03 AM
Quote from: Sir-J on June 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
Well sorry to disappoint but I'm bored to tears of this game. And 3.8 doesn't bring anything that would revive my interest at this point. I appreciate devs work though.
I think most of the experienced players feel that way. We always played for fun and for the competition, there was never a single worms professional or esports footprint though, and when the competition went away, so does the desire to get better and play more.
I still play here and there for fun, but its been 20 years on and off, thousands of games, and few new gameplay mechanics, coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase.
There was a window to invigorate the 2d worms fanatics but it seems like it has passed. Deadcode and Cyber have more than done their part many times over even if they and the other maintainers never release 3.8. The game has enjoyed several great incarnations of activity. We are in the twilight, and that is just fine with me.
The league is only enjoyed by a few die hard competitive people. This alone doesn't make WA dead. AG is still filled with new and old regulars myself included. I still play cups, and tournament here and there, but even if they aren't as active as I hoped they would be, don't make WA dead.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think that's a bit disrespectful to Deadcode & team. This hardcore playerbase you speak of, is merely present, and even the developers would ''focus on the hardcore's needs'' I think it wouldn't ameliorate anything.
Still, I do believe the developers are well aware of what everyone wants and not just a set of players.
Quote from: readyworm on June 22, 2020, 10:35 AM
It's been interesting reading these comments. I've loved Worms since the demo appeared on a copy of Amiga Format and I've watched Team17 progress the franchise over the years. Despite the time that's passed, I keep coming back to Worms Armageddon. It's a true classic. Not just in terms of the principles of the game, but in its execution. Team17 hasn't matched it since. Its old school 'pixel precision' graphics only adds to it. Hats off to Karl Morton and the team.
We have to be very thankful that Deadcode and Cybershadow are continuing to improve this classic, and that they have the source code in the first place. You only have to view the change log to see the attention to detail and the work that's gone into it.
I think 3.8 will make existing users more active, at least to see the differences particularly around the new scheme perhaps different styles of game may appear.
To attract more players and grow the community I think integrating ranks and competitive play is key. A missions editor and a Missions multiplayer channel would also be a fantastic addition. I appreciate both of these are not trivial to implement.
I know some people talk about version 4 which to me sounds like a very ambitious rewrite. Personally I'd like the focus to be on the above and perhaps trying to move from a paletted display to true colour.
It's not a simple rewrite, maggot. It's what Epic Battle Fantasy series since the fourth main title and BH2 are like. It's complex, yet underrated by many maggots like you.
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It's not a simple rewrite, maggot. It's what Epic Battle Fantasy series since the fourth main title and BH2 are like. It's complex, yet underrated by many maggots like you.
Chill your boots troll boy :-X A rewrite is
very complex - that's my point. Maybe you didn't understand "ambitious rewrite". I'd love to see a shiny, modern 4.0, but I think 3.8 should evolve into it rather than a ground up rewrite if that's possible. I imagine that would be difficult/impossible with the existing code base though.... and would Team 17 allow it? You seem to think the work on 3.x is pointless, I'm glad Deadcode/CS don't agree with you.
Quote from: Sir-J on June 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
I appreciate devs work though.
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 22, 2020, 07:03 AM
I think most of the experienced players feel that way.
Quote from: Kradie on June 22, 2020, 11:44 AM
I think that's a bit disrespectful to Deadcode & team.
And the award for biggest failure to understand what was said goes to...
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Kradie!!!! WOOOOOOO!
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Quote from: StepS on June 21, 2020, 12:28 PM
Quote from: WTF-8 on June 21, 2020, 11:30 AM
inb4 oldschoolers boycot 3.8 because the rope doesn't feel the same anymore
That would actually be surprising because the new rendering also decreases input lag.
What was changed specifically regarding rope responsiveness? can you elaborate? Like a before/after comparison. And maybe some technicalities like how many ms is the difference etc. Would be appreciated. :)
Quote from: Kradie on June 22, 2020, 11:44 AM
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 22, 2020, 07:03 AM
Quote from: Sir-J on June 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
Well sorry to disappoint but I'm bored to tears of this game. And 3.8 doesn't bring anything that would revive my interest at this point. I appreciate devs work though.
I think most of the experienced players feel that way. We always played for fun and for the competition, there was never a single worms professional or esports footprint though, and when the competition went away, so does the desire to get better and play more.
I still play here and there for fun, but its been 20 years on and off, thousands of games, and few new gameplay mechanics, coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase.
There was a window to invigorate the 2d worms fanatics but it seems like it has passed. Deadcode and Cyber have more than done their part many times over even if they and the other maintainers never release 3.8. The game has enjoyed several great incarnations of activity. We are in the twilight, and that is just fine with me.
The league is only enjoyed by a few die hard competitive people. This alone doesn't make WA dead. AG is still filled with new and old regulars myself included. I still play cups, and tournament here and there, but even if they aren't as active as I hoped they would be, don't make WA dead.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think that's a bit disrespectful to Deadcode & team. This hardcore playerbase you speak of, is merely present, and even the developers would ''focus on the hardcore's needs'' I think it wouldn't ameliorate anything.
Still, I do believe the developers are well aware of what everyone wants and not just a set of players.
Sorry if that was unclear, was talking about team17 when I referenced "coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase"
DC and CS's updates seem aligned with the hardcore playerbase and have taken suggestions as so, I don't think there is any question of that
Hardcore players and the league drive TUS and AG activity, the drive-by worms players don't stop in here
So at the end of the day I think we essentially agree on this Kradie my sweet
I hope we can have a successful league season when 3.8 comes out! Or at least a cup. ;D
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 24, 2020, 08:11 PM
Quote from: Kradie on June 22, 2020, 11:44 AM
Quote from: TheWalrus on June 22, 2020, 07:03 AM
Quote from: Sir-J on June 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
Well sorry to disappoint but I'm bored to tears of this game. And 3.8 doesn't bring anything that would revive my interest at this point. I appreciate devs work though.
I think most of the experienced players feel that way. We always played for fun and for the competition, there was never a single worms professional or esports footprint though, and when the competition went away, so does the desire to get better and play more.
I still play here and there for fun, but its been 20 years on and off, thousands of games, and few new gameplay mechanics, coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase.
There was a window to invigorate the 2d worms fanatics but it seems like it has passed. Deadcode and Cyber have more than done their part many times over even if they and the other maintainers never release 3.8. The game has enjoyed several great incarnations of activity. We are in the twilight, and that is just fine with me.
The league is only enjoyed by a few die hard competitive people. This alone doesn't make WA dead. AG is still filled with new and old regulars myself included. I still play cups, and tournament here and there, but even if they aren't as active as I hoped they would be, don't make WA dead.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think that's a bit disrespectful to Deadcode & team. This hardcore playerbase you speak of, is merely present, and even the developers would ''focus on the hardcore's needs'' I think it wouldn't ameliorate anything.
Still, I do believe the developers are well aware of what everyone wants and not just a set of players.
Sorry if that was unclear, was talking about team17 when I referenced "coupled with devs that don't care about the hardcore playerbase"
DC and CS's updates seem aligned with the hardcore playerbase and have taken suggestions as so, I don't think there is any question of that
Hardcore players and the league drive TUS and AG activity, the drive-by worms players don't stop in here
So at the end of the day I think we essentially agree on this Kradie my sweet
True words my tusky intellect.
Quote from: Anubis on June 24, 2020, 01:38 PM
What was changed specifically regarding rope responsiveness? can you elaborate? Like a before/after comparison. And maybe some technicalities like how many ms is the difference etc. Would be appreciated. :)
So, the way render tweening was implemented in WA means that on average, you get to see your roping worm in its new, updated position half a frame* early compared to 3.7.2.1, all other things (like renderer, v-sync settings, number of buffered frames, desktop window manager messing with your games, etc.) equal. Some of the time it'll be exactly the same, other times up to almost a whole frame less input lag, depending on how the tween phase of the sprites works out, but distributed evenly so that it averages out to 0.5 frame. The difference from this alone isn't massive, of course, so people who aren't heavily into roping (or rope with v-sync enabled) might not even notice it. But lower input lag is just always good, and I think someone like you probably would be able to tell, actually. Although on the other hand, tweening just makes the entire roping experience more enjoyable because of the smoothness of motion, so I suppose it's tricky to say precisely what's going to be responsible for any perceived improvement.
We'll see, but I can't imagine anyone will actually want to go back once 3.8 is out. :P
Disclaimer: I'm going mostly by how I remember Deadcode explaining this a rather long time ago, in a discussion I can't find right now, so caveat lector.
*Not in-game (engine) frame as far as I can recall, but monitor (GPU) frame, where on a 60 Hz panel one frame corresponds to ~16.7 ms.
Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 25, 2020, 06:36 PM
Quote from: Anubis on June 24, 2020, 01:38 PM
What was changed specifically regarding rope responsiveness? can you elaborate? Like a before/after comparison. And maybe some technicalities like how many ms is the difference etc. Would be appreciated. :)
So, the way render tweening was implemented in WA means that on average, you get to see your roping worm in its new, updated position half a frame* early compared to 3.7.2.1, all other things (like renderer, v-sync settings, number of buffered frames, desktop window manager messing with your games, etc.) equal. Some of the time it'll be exactly the same, other times up to almost a whole frame less input lag, depending on how the tween phase of the sprites works out, but distributed evenly so that it averages out to 0.5 frame. The difference from this alone isn't massive, of course, so people who aren't heavily into roping (or rope with v-sync enabled) might not even notice it. But lower input lag is just always good, and I think someone like you probably would be able to tell, actually. Although on the other hand, tweening just makes the entire roping experience more enjoyable because of the smoothness of motion, so I suppose it's tricky to say precisely what's going to be responsible for any perceived improvement.
We'll see, but I can't imagine anyone will actually want to go back once 3.8 is out. :P
Disclaimer: I'm going mostly by how I remember Deadcode explaining this a rather long time ago, in a discussion I can't find right now, so caveat lector.
*Not in-game (engine) frame as far as I can recall, but monitor (GPU) frame, where on a 60 Hz panel one frame corresponds to ~16.7 ms.
Thanks, will thoroughly test this once I get my hands on it. :D
Sadly 3.8 wont bring activity back to WA, nothing will bring it back unless you can create and manage a time machine to make the real kings of WA back to their WA's age again, nowadays only 1 or 2 WA king still play, rest are putos and slaves!! sorry but thats the truth!!!
95,7% of new players of WA just play a bit and leave game, thats normal, cos they are living in another era of time, technology than us who used to play 20 years ago, plus we became a family who lived at same house but by the time each one had to leave, and this wont be back too.
Look, I used to w8 fridays night my parents sleep, to turn on TV and see a sensual program where girls showed tits too WANK, nowadays the kids just gets the phone, go to bathroom anytime and WANK, times changes!!
Bye putos!
Kiss, cos king!
Quote from: readyworm on June 23, 2020, 09:43 AM
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It's not a simple rewrite, maggot. It's what Epic Battle Fantasy series since the fourth main title and BH2 are like. It's complex, yet underrated by many maggots like you.
Chill your boots troll boy :-X A rewrite is very complex - that's my point. Maybe you didn't understand "ambitious rewrite". I'd love to see a shiny, modern 4.0, but I think 3.8 should evolve into it rather than a ground up rewrite if that's possible. I imagine that would be difficult/impossible with the existing code base though.... and would Team 17 allow it? You seem to think the work on 3.x is pointless, I'm glad Deadcode/CS don't agree with you.
Did I say anything about 3.x developement being pointless in general? No, I didn't say so. It's just a centrain version in the tree being so sticky in your mind that I am annoyed by its discussion. And I can't ignore it either. No matter where I go over here, 3.8 just follows me like a curse., Even the last 3.6 pre-28 version was good and not annoying to look at. Everything 3.7.2.1 and below was good and not community-pushed. You dare shriek at me just cause I hate your sticky version in the post-Team17 offical era of W:A?! I'll show you what it means to be a monolitic worm! And that beginning... you called me a troll boy... well then, no more Mr. Nice Ultimate Life Form-Based Name. After all, the guilty lassies here are the majority of the Worms Armageddon community (no developers and this site designer included).
I wish someone would just ban that Shadow-The-Worm guy because he posts nothing but nonsense.
Anyway...
I respect the hard work involved with the 3.8 update but I feel that it's far too late coming. If this update came out several years ago it might be a bit different but nowadays W:A is nothing like it used to be. I almost feel bad for those involved with making this happen because they put in so much time and effort making an update that won't be appreciated nearly as much as it should be. Rarely do I see any familiar names on WormNET unless they are snooping / afk. There's nothing about this update that I think will entice inactive veterans to start playing again, and to be honest, I don't care about playing games with random noobs; especially those who don't speak English or understand basics like scheme rules. So on one hand I am pleased to know that an update is incoming, but on the other, any happiness is instantly washed away by the recognition that the update isn't likely to bring back the "good ol' days" of W:A and the experience is essentially going to remain the same.
It's never too late for an update. Most of the ppl that left, left because of personal reasons.
Ppl that were active in ranked tus games were there just for money last few years when numbers were still good.
Did you all forget how Asbest got dozens of newbies to get involved in league and play vs him, just so he can get enough pts for spot in playoffs. All that for 10$!
I know it's Asbest and he's not a real mirror of the Worms scene, but he wasn't the only one active just because of the money prizes. And that's the truth. These ppl would leave either way, 3.8 out or not.
I'm quite tired of posts that goes like: "I'm grateful for our community devs and appreciate their work, but.."
You gotta understand that there's no "but's" when you're receiving an update for a game 20 yrs old that's abandoned by its developers for last ~18 years.
Agree Sensei. Well said. No buts... show some damn appreciation!
Well Sensei, you make a good point...
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
Happy to be part of this game and the community. Witnessing new updates, and transition into a new era of WA.
Worms Armageddon should have a timeline of its different periods. Beginning, 3.5 Update, Color update, CE league, and so on.
I call this Modern Era, ever since 3.7...
Sensei, I can not agree.
A game isn't like your typical straight-to-point software; whether you think it makes some or no sense, it's just that most people think of it as "it's just the media", with all pros and cons from the concept. If you ask me, and considering CyberShadow seems generally focused on the networking part and derivates, I would have prefered that DeadCode focused on the "visible" changes more than the internals (i.e. I get it you'd want a "clean environment" before doing "major" stuff such as WWP's backwards port, but don't forget, albeit WWP was made on top of WA, it was without DeadCode's fixes!).
The sad fact is, that unless you're making a PacMan-kind of short game, it's inhuman to be alone taking proper care of the whole codebase in a short time, and expect just everything to be nice and tight. That includes hobby projects, or else they get stuck for a long time. Compatibility on newer systems is always welcome, but otherwise, if a function works well and respecting target system/specs, you have to let it go, unless you couldn't avoid needing a speed-up or an optimization somewhere. For every game I've seen its code so far, they all have a collection of rubbish code somewhere anyway.
Not saying what DC "should" do, I'm just trying to point out a functional workflow or something like that. Please don't be pedantic at taking me literally, you know what I actually mean.
Either that and/or an artblock (i.e. lack of money, personal issues), I can't find any other reason for slow updates. I "should" be thankful that there's a dev willing to submit updates at all, butt I'm part of the public so I'm free to at least analyze whatever official info I get and maybe comment it; the self-imposed deadlines have been missed twice if I'm correct? I'm not anyone to judge because I'm being cynical AF here, but I can tell by experience that's a big no-no, feels like the dev has some serious issue and should get help, perhaps not precisely with the code. Don't get me wrong, nothing personal against DC of course, but this all is outright weird, everyone sees it, people wants to comment on it.
So yes, all together I find it completely fine to have "but's". For one, it is completely fine to question or wonder about missed promises. I can't talk for others, but when I point out those "but's", is because I actually worry. I worry when a person can't meet their own goals. The people who comments the ISSUE, deep down they worry. Everyone worry about things they love and hate, even a killer psychopath does because he needs a reason to act. See, I know I'm not entitled to anything; it's free, personal work, and I'm a nobody to him, therefore I couldn't have the same expectations as I would on a professional product. It's fully personal, even if behind Team17's curtain. But have some empathy, I don't care if none of this affects me, why else would anyone read any news anyway? And if I actually wanted to meddle, he can be found in the chat. Please don't tell me how "should" I think.
With good vibes, I hope DC gets a better time in his life.
Quote from: Sensei on July 02, 2020, 06:00 PM
It's never too late for an update. Most of the ppl that left, left because of personal reasons.
Ppl that were active in ranked tus games were there just for money last few years when numbers were still good.
Did you all forget how Asbest got dozens of newbies to get involved in league and play vs him, just so he can get enough pts for spot in playoffs. All that for 10$!
I know it's Asbest and he's not a real mirror of the Worms scene, but he wasn't the only one active just because of the money prizes. And that's the truth. These ppl would leave either way, 3.8 out or not.
I'm quite tired of posts that goes like: "I'm grateful for our community devs and appreciate their work, but.."
You gotta understand that there's no "but's" when you're receiving an update for a game 20 yrs old that's abandoned by its developers for last ~18 years.
Respectfully, I disagree on some points.
While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again. Had this update come out years ago it could have possibly enticed people to come back to the game, or stay active, or at the very least stay active longer than they normally otherwise would have due to life. My opinion on the matter is that at this point the update will do little to nothing in terms of getting older players to come back, and tbh that's all I really care about. I'd take a bunch of old buddies being consistently active again over this update any day because W:A is ultimately all about the community. No matter how well the game gets updated, it really doesn't matter to me if AG is full of afk snoopers and random noobs every time I log on.
I also don't believe that those who were active with ranked play were doing so only for the money. In fact I'd bet that the money had little to nothing to do with it, especially when we are talking about such small prizes. Besides, people were playing ranked for years and years before any sort of a cash prize was ever offered. As far as Asbest goes, who would possibly deign to know the mind of a sad, Russian troll?
I think that 'buts' are entirely permissible because we are talking about personal opinions and feelings. I absolutely respect the hard work of everyone who maintains W:A to this day. However, I think it's too little, too late. That's just my opinion though, and to state or even infer that people shouldn't be allowed any 'buts' on this topic is just an attempt at controlling behavior, or at best shaming people.
Quote from: skunk3 on July 05, 2020, 09:45 PM
Respectfully, I disagree on some points.
While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again. Had this update come out years ago it could have possibly enticed people to come back to the game, or stay active, or at the very least stay active longer than they normally otherwise would have due to life. My opinion on the matter is that at this point the update will do little to nothing in terms of getting older players to come back, and tbh that's all I really care about. I'd take a bunch of old buddies being consistently active again over this update any day because W:A is ultimately all about the community. No matter how well the game gets updated, it really doesn't matter to me if AG is full of afk snoopers and random noobs every time I log on.
I also don't believe that those who were active with ranked play were doing so only for the money. In fact I'd bet that the money had little to nothing to do with it, especially when we are talking about such small prizes. Besides, people were playing ranked for years and years before any sort of a cash prize was ever offered. As far as Asbest goes, who would possibly deign to know the mind of a sad, Russian troll?
I think that 'buts' are entirely permissible because we are talking about personal opinions and feelings. I absolutely respect the hard work of everyone who maintains W:A to this day. However, I think it's too little, too late. That's just my opinion though, and to state or even infer that people shouldn't be allowed any 'buts' on this topic is just an attempt at controlling behavior, or at best shaming people.
The particular people you miss may or may not come back, but you can still log on most times of the day and find a decent match. Your opponent might not speak English, and you might not recognize their nicknames, but there are lots of good players who still play. You sometimes have to be willing to face noobs in order to find them - there are a lot of aliasers, or simply good players with plain and unfamiliar nicknames. This is fine with me since I play for the game itself, not the social aspect. I think with 3.8 this activity can only improve. I think seeing such a big update will instill appreciation and commitment into the minds of many players, especially those who had not tried Rubberworm before.
One possible next step I've mentioned before: if someone were to make an auto-translate wormkit module using Yandex's free translate API, we could fully remove those communication barriers and really open this game up to the world. Unicode support (for Chinese etc) could be added by replacing the native chat window with an identical-looking overlay, which should be possible now that W:A is windowed. Or hot-swapping character-set sprites might be possible with a wormkit module. Either of those would be so offensively hacky they would disgust Deadcode enough that he might add it officially in the next patch :).
People looking for other skilled players can also join the Discord server https://discord.gg/8ENjbd or use Steam friend lists to organize games. Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games. Also remember that just because the game has become boring for you doesn't mean it's actually dead. This new update should spark lots of creative new schemes, especially with StepS' scheme creation contest (with cash prizes).
Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. :) Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. ::)
Quote from: skunk3 on July 05, 2020, 09:45 PM
While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again.
I don't know where you're getting all this negativity from. It feels like you, me, and couple of other ppl around here doing same conversations over and over again. "Interesting/fun/skilled players are gone" Cmon dude. What you're saying right now is outright lame! You're living in some kind of a 'last century WA bubble', not letting anyone come close to it cause it may burst eventually.. If you really believe in words you just said, then you're delusional as well.
LilScrappy - couple of weeks ago this was just a name I knew from few of our twitch big rr/aerial sessions when he would jump in and chat about WA. Then I started seeing him in games every night and we got to talk. I mentioned poker one night and he revealed he's playing poker for living. Week after I see him hosting Big RR tournament on TUS with 200$ prize pool. Not interesting enough for you?
Legion was a nick never to be seen around Wormnet, until 2019. Then he started joining community chats/games, he made a program that lets you make your own Big RR map in few clicks.. Not to mention he's one of the scariest big rope racers in the game right now, especially when it comes to challenges. Not skilled enough for you?
Cueshark is a grown ass man,40+, got kids to feed.. came back to wa recently and enjoying every minute he gets to play it. Making new schemes, posting new youtube vids.. Voice chatting, drinking beers and having good time with anyone who's online. Not to mention guy is a fkn community legend. I also bet he's more thrilled to see a total newbie getting interested in WA after 20 yrs, than to play again with any other legend from old era. Not fun enough for you?
I see you come online, host a game in 2 seconds and close it in next 10 seconds. 12 seconds of your lobby time is not actually "i'm looking for some fun time, so came to socialise on wormnet" kind of style. You keep distancing from community while also keep saying everyone suck nowadays. I don't see any sense of you keep playing WA with this attitude. Personally, I would be long gone if feeling this way.
Quote from: j0e on July 05, 2020, 10:33 PM
Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games.
We're getting some great numbers there and lot of newcomers getting interested in the game. Community is where props need to be given, not me! Appreciate your words, nevertheless.
Quote from: Sensei on July 06, 2020, 12:15 AM
Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. :) Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. ::)
Meh
QuotePlease don't be pedantic at taking me literally, you know what I actually mean.
"
Why you have to be a d"... *cough* I'm not the one trolling here.
People come and go, but the game is still alive.
The community always been great, many people bring their personal touch to it, trying to build things.
I remember worms-league.com, blamethepixel ... Many many projects has been done and many are still to come.
This is not what i call a dead game or community
I play many games, as a casual for some, profesionally for others. Worms community is one of the best when its about creativity.
cheers guys, 3.8 is coming soon :P
I've been telling people to stop living in a bubble, and just meet new active players. At first I thought LilScrappy aka DawgyStyle was just another alias, but I was wrong! Game still strong!
Back in the days when an update came, people were hyped and just happy to get it. Today, new and current people can be hyped and appreciative over new update, just like old times. So I think this 3.8 update will hold us together. So in 10 years time, maybe today's current players will complain about WA not being the same :D So who cares, time marches on.
Quote from: Sensei on July 06, 2020, 12:15 AM
Lolicon-guy, your post was quite a mess. I tried to understand it, but you were jumping from democracy in community, to DC having mental issues, to psycho killers.. :) Gotta admit, fun train of thoughts. Almost felt like you're trolling everyone who decides to read it. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. ::)
Quote from: skunk3 on July 05, 2020, 09:45 PM
While it can be argued that it's never too late for an update, as far as I am concerned, it is already far too late because the best era of W:A is long gone and the vast majority of the most interesting / fun / skilled players no longer play and likely will never be active again.
I don't know where you're getting all this negativity from. It feels like you, me, and couple of other ppl around here doing same conversations over and over again. "Interesting/fun/skilled players are gone" Cmon dude. What you're saying right now is outright lame! You're living in some kind of a 'last century WA bubble', not letting anyone come close to it cause it may burst eventually.. If you really believe in words you just said, then you're delusional as well.
LilScrappy - couple of weeks ago this was just a name I knew from few of our twitch big rr/aerial sessions when he would jump in and chat about WA. Then I started seeing him in games every night and we got to talk. I mentioned poker one night and he revealed he's playing poker for living. Week after I see him hosting Big RR tournament on TUS with 200$ prize pool. Not interesting enough for you?
Legion was a nick never to be seen around Wormnet, until 2019. Then he started joining community chats/games, he made a program that lets you make your own Big RR map in few clicks.. Not to mention he's one of the scariest big rope racers in the game right now, especially when it comes to challenges. Not skilled enough for you?
Cueshark is a grown ass man,40+, got kids to feed.. came back to wa recently and enjoying every minute he gets to play it. Making new schemes, posting new youtube vids.. Voice chatting, drinking beers and having good time with anyone who's online. Not to mention guy is a fkn community legend. I also bet he's more thrilled to see a total newbie getting interested in WA after 20 yrs, than to play again with any other legend from old era. Not fun enough for you?
I see you come online, host a game in 2 seconds and close it in next 10 seconds. 12 seconds of your lobby time is not actually "i'm looking for some fun time, so came to socialise on wormnet" kind of style. You keep distancing from community while also keep saying everyone suck nowadays. I don't see any sense of you keep playing WA with this attitude. Personally, I would be long gone if feeling this way.
Quote from: j0e on July 05, 2020, 10:33 PM
Gotta give props to Sensei for making that server and for his leadership with organizing games.
We're getting some great numbers there and lot of newcomers getting interested in the game. Community is where props need to be given, not me! Appreciate your words, nevertheless.
Those who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am
not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.
I enjoy the game itself with the various schemes, but what really makes Worms special for me is the community of people who I have gotten to know over the past 20+ years. Every time someone becomes inactive for whatever reason, I find that my enjoyment of the game diminishes little by little.
When I log onto WormNET I rarely see any familiar names that aren't snooping. Rather than join an Intermediate hosted by some unknown Argentinian, I typically just host up a Big RR for myself to practice. I'll play a few games and log off. It doesn't take long to scan the player list, so there's no need to sit around in AG longer than a few seconds. I am not distancing myself from anyone nor am I insulting anyone aside from random noobs, lol.
I used to get so sick of people spamming chat with "(fill in current league/ladder name) NE1????" and people trying to set up clanners and stuff. Ironically, I'd actually love to see that kind of commitment again, even if I don't personally enjoy playing in leagues.
QuoteThose who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.
So let me get this straight.... In skill wise, everyone has to rope super duper fast like saltyk9, Anubis, Mablak, Fudo, Noentity,, and so on to make them interesting? A human being at decent skill level can be much as interesting in WA as any other high skilled human. There aren't much ropers around with high speed as it once were, but that doesn't make people boring. Same goes for land schemes.
Instead of emphasizing how much you miss the past, wish things were like the past, try instead to be some sort of a mentor to the current generation wormers. Show interest, show moves in various of schemes that they don't know about. Impress them with your knowledge and moves. Yes it can be tiring, boring, and so on. Some might not even care and just quit, I have dealt with that a lot and it is frustrating.
Many on Worms don't even know about this update, and once it will be released, people will be shocked, that a 20 year old game got a new fresh update! I am sure it will help WA in some capacity to gain interest of others. WA still sells well on Steam too, so it's not like it is dying. So don't give up hope! Get out off your bubble and seize the opportunity :)
Quote from: Kradie on July 07, 2020, 02:45 PM
QuoteThose who still play the game on a regular basis are, on average, not nearly as skilled or as interesting as those active years ago. (Personal opinion.) I am not saying that there aren't cool and skilled people who still play the game. I am just saying that comparatively speaking, the current situation isn't even close to what it once was... and I'm not even talking about general activity level on the server. It just simply is not the same experience.
So let me get this straight.... In skill wise, everyone has to rope super duper fast like saltyk9, Anubis, Mablak, Fudo, Noentity,, and so on to make them interesting? A human being at decent skill level can be much as interesting in WA as any other high skilled human. There aren't much ropers around with high speed as it once were, but that doesn't make people boring. Same goes for land schemes.
Instead of emphasizing how much you miss the past, wish things were like the past, try instead to be some sort of a mentor to the current generation wormers. Show interest, show moves in various of schemes that they don't know about. Impress them with your knowledge and moves. Yes it can be tiring, boring, and so on. Some might not even care and just quit, I have dealt with that a lot and it is frustrating.
Many on Worms don't even know about this update, and once it will be released, people will be shocked, that a 20 year old game got a new fresh update! I am sure it will help WA in some capacity to gain interest of others. WA still sells well on Steam too, so it's not like it is dying. So don't give up hope! Get out off your bubble and seize the opportunity :)
No, that is not what I said or even inferred. Skill speaks for itself. As far as 'interesting' players goes, what I meant by that is personality. Having a cool / funny personality is far more important in other players (IMO) than being skilled is, because if someone can make me laugh or chat on thought-provoking topics, that'll keep me entertained. One of my favorite W:A players of all time wasn't a pro-level player at all, but he was absolutely hilarious and in every game I played with him I was laughing so hard that I didn't give a crap about winning or losing... that is a sure sign that one is having fun.
I have 'mentored' countless players over the years. I've paid my dues many times over as far as that goes. Hell, I even did some of that last night. However, would I rather play some matches with unknown newbies or see AG once again full of familiar names? No contest. I don't see my stance on this as being negative per se; it's more a matter of me simply being honest. No matter how much I love W:A gameplay, without the right people around it just isn't nearly as fun as it could be.
As I have said, I am glad that we are getting an update and I respect the work put into making it happen. I just think that the update isn't going to address what *I* consider to be the real problem(s) of the current state of W:A. Bug fixes and feature implementation is cool and all but until the old schoolers start becoming active again
en masse the game will remain a pale shadow of its former self. I truly hope that this update brings some people out of retirement but I doubt that will be the case.
Make new friends?
So basically if someone doesn't make it their personal agenda and also top priority to make skunk3 laugh and inspire him intellectually, they are a boring c@#! that should uninstall the game and tell their parents they did a horrible job because they failed to raise them well enough that they could entertain a lonely American :D
I haven't met a person that is uninteresting in life, the usual barrier is the language and that's why people seem uninteresting to you. In that regard skunk is right, back in the days there were far more well spoken Englishmen around. The English community has shrunk dramatically and nobody can argue against that. Naturally this will elevate the perception that you are meeting less interesting people. UK/USA W:A is the real "dead W:A", there are very few (compared to back then) players from that area.
Funnily enough, most of my time online in WA I spend with US and UK players. It's been going on for years now and never gets boring. Even if you play the game that have hundreds of thousands players online any moment of the day (CS:GO, Rocket League, Dota) you'd play it with few same ppl every night.
So don't really understand what you guys trying to say, except that you're getting old and grumpy.
Omg, Chinese and Russian are so toxic in the csgo voice chat.