Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: Crazy on May 28, 2012, 02:49 PM
Title: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Crazy on May 28, 2012, 02:49 PM
I think it's important that we preserve the different achievements and data of worms throughout the years. I don't trust the backup-sites to last forever, therefor I decided to gather information from a total time period of a decade. I've focused on the personal achievement by players and clans (Hall of Fame), staff and Awards (some are still missing here). There's been more leagues then those presented here, but these are the one that lasted longest and which have been possible for me to retrieve data from. I'm sure there's lots of data that can be added here with the help from others, please PM me and I can add it to the post.
The time of Rankings:
Wormnet Status: There are currently a total of 81489 players registered on WormNET, 64435 of which are in the amatuer league, 16112 are Pro players and 942 have reached Elite status. Dated 1999/2000.
Top 10 Overall (points): 1. Sev 4716 2. BaDcerealxDHBx 4652 3. nightcrawlers38 2963 4. MPH 2635 5. AsukaLangley 2607 6. Holeshot 2510 7. WWF 2503 8. kaya 2095 9. Menacedog 2040 10. treeb 1964 * Kaya and BaDcereal last seen during TUS in 2009, playing clanners again for DHB. DHB is also registered as a clan on TUS.
Hall of Fame - the winners for each of the 4 monthly leagues, on a month-by-month basis. These people are the best of the best in their field.
About: WACL was created on October in the year 1999. Shut down at the end of 2001. From October 1st, 1999 to August 22, 2001: 1,798,595 HITS on the site.
Hall of Fame: Month: Winner: Prize:Month: Winner: Prize:Month: Winner: Prize:Month: Winner: 10/1999 Jews Cash 01/2000 WWA 08/09 2000 HOS 11/2000 (AM) CKC 11/1999 EBL Cash 02/2000 DFA 10/2000 HOS 11/2000 (AM) MWS 12/1999 WWA 07/2000 HOS 11/2000 (PRO) TM 12/2000 n/a
01/2001 n/a 04/2001 MD 02/2001 HOS 05/2001 TEA 03/2001 HOS 06/2001 EIF *Note: CKC also won the AM league in April 2001 (12.04.01). Came close to winning the world cup against HoS the same season.
Non staff credits: Snoop, Meow, Worro, Spectre, Agent Cue.
Official Referees: Many players, those still active today: Chicken23, Ropa (under several aliases), Avirex, Dodgefreak. AWARDS:
The WA-Forum Worm Awards (http://web.archive.org/web/20010603220150/http://www.wa-forum.com/wa.swf)
CL2K - Clan League 2000:
Hall of Fame: Seasons: Clans - (1st, 2nd, 3rd) Singles (1st, 2nd, 3rd) - Div1Singles (1st, 2nd, 3rd) - Div2 Season 1: LaG, KASC, LoR Slothball, Kopite, MPH No div 2 Season 2: WEF, DID, FWF MPH, Kevin, YNWA No div 2 Season 3: PSU, SOS, WWW MPH, Devastation, Snickers (Div 1) DarkMavis, DonerKebab, WormZ (Div 2) Season 5: EiF, OSW, SFX MPH, Snickers, DarkMavis (Div 1) ShadyMilkman, Destroyer, Tjerp (Div 2) Season 6: OSW, SFX, x2x YNWA, MPH, Devastation (Div 1) EnDoxoNe, Dodgefreak, 187 (Div 2) Season 18: WWA Data lost Data lost Season 25: DT, x2x, CKC Mablak, Almog, Nino KRD (Rotated league)
Staff: PooMachine, UltraViolent, MrLee, MrBishie, Thorask, DirtyRat, Liberty, MPH, EviL, Zepho, DeathRaven. * Lots of data missing
WL - Worms League:
About: Worms League was founded February 2001 by HereHeComes. The aim of this league is to provide a gaming platform in which there is nice competition for the best allround woms players and, more important, to provide some of the very best fun.
Hall of Fame:
Season winners:
WA singles: Razor, Link, HHC, IBB, IBB, Volcom, Volcom WA clans: HoS
About: First edition - First Blood! is in association with the clan Citizen Erased. Originally coded by X101. Many thanks to Kiros, DarkOne, Syc0, Fredalot, and everyone who posted suggestions on the Q&A forum for their help.
Hall of Fame: Seasons:Winner:Runner-up:Activity Award: Season 1: Mablak Ramb0 Dibz Season 2: TheXpert Season 3: Franz IllBeBack uLeaD Season 4: uLeaD Ramb0 uLeaD Season 5: darK franz Season 6: Franz, Dibz, Wiz, Ramb0, BlAzE, Guardian, ownless, wza will be in the playoffs. Season 7: Ramb0, Crash Clans (1st, 2nd): pL dT Season 20: Ramb0, Crash Season 21: Mil2, Husk Clans (Final: pL - sL, cancelled) Season 22: Ramb0, Random00 Staff: KRD, DarkOne, Kiros, TSR, X101, Lex, Mablak, Flamie.
* LOTS of data missing, I need help from others here. * FB closes September 1st 2006. * FB returns 29th December 2006. * D1/KRD might provide with information?
AL - Armageddon League:
Hall of Fame:
Season:Single: Single runner-up:Clan ladder: Runner-up: Season 1: dibz Deano x2x nD (dt/sL 3rd) Season 2: Deano Shark (Alfrog/Ropa 3rd) x2x dt (cB/sCa 3rd) Season 3: wza Doritos dt nD
XTC - Extacy League:
Hall of Fame:
Season: Winner:Runner-up:Winner:Runner-up: Season 1: dibz benz Data lost Data lost Season 2: dibz unique yL sF Season 3: Mablak ramb0 CKC SiX Season 4: dibz SpideR CKC cFC Season 5: Leroy SoLo dt pL Season 6: MaStE Crazy dt pb Season 7: MaStEr Chicken23 CKC iR Season 10: Random00 MaStEr b0r CF
Staff: Admins: Veg, Chicken23. Frank, Anubis, Liberty (WA moderators). Sm0le, Solo (WWP moderators). Coders: Veg, Mil2. Honorary member: m0nk (designed XTC Website). * Data missing on a few seasons
Sources:
www.worms.team17.com
www.wa-forum.com
www.xtcleague.com
www.worms-league.com
http://www.laene.nl/fb/
www.first-blood.co.uk
http://www.armageddonleague.com
www.cl2k.org
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Peja on May 28, 2012, 02:50 PM
omfg thanks crazy :-*
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: darKz on May 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
I won FB Singles season 5, runner-up was Flow/franz. My only real singles achievement up to this day. :D Also, sCa won cl2k clans 2 or 3 times in a row, but I don't remember what seasons those were.. Pretty late for sure, like half a year before it died.
Nice going Crazy! :D
Edit ASL Season 1: Champion: Dibz Runner-Up: Deano 3rd/4th: Mablak/Aragorn
ACL Season 1: Champions: x2x Runners-Up: nD 3rd/4th: dt/sL
ASL Season 2: Champion: Deano Runner-Up: shark 3rd/4th: Alfrog/Ropa
ACL Season 2: Champions: x2x Runners-Up: dt 3rd/4th: cB/sCa
ASL Season 3: Champion: wza Runner-Up: Doritos
ACL Season 3: Champions: dt Runners-Up: nD
Source: Armageddon League (http://web.archive.org/web/20061220012217/http://www.armageddonleague.com/league/index.php)
Will see if I find more. :)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 28, 2012, 03:19 PM
Thought IBB founded worms league, not HHC. Or maybe this is just a misconception I've had all these years.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: HHC on May 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
misconception ;)
I did, but IBB soon took over website design/coding. I was limited to keeping track of the standings, handling complaints and fighting with ropa on the forums :D
cos noob at code.
btw crazy, as much as it is brave and desirable, it's gonna be a disappointing experience too. I remember a lot of things, but it's all mixed up and I wouldn't be able to put a time-tag on it. It's unfortunately an illusion that we can get an anywhere near-complete overview of worms history. Only thing we have is a few fragments of sites and countless stories without any real facts or figures.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Crazy on May 28, 2012, 03:42 PM
Thanks Dark! I'll add it to the post asap :) I understand what you mean HHC, but atleast if we can get hold of the league-winners from most of the seasons for every league, I'm satisfied ^^
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 28, 2012, 03:43 PM
I did, but IBB soon took over website design/coding. I was limited to keeping track of the standings, handling complaints and fighting with ropa on the forums :D
cos noob at code.
btw crazy, as much as it is brave and desirable, it's gonna be a disappointing experience too. I remember a lot of things, but it's all mixed up and I wouldn't be able to put a time-tag on it. It's unfortunately an illusion that we can get an anywhere near-complete overview of worms history. Only thing we have is a few fragments of sites and countless stories without any real facts or figures.
yah, i feel like some players have been forgotten too, low how dominant volcom became in a very short time. Prime t5x scared me.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Impossible on May 28, 2012, 03:47 PM
well done at all this!
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: StepS on May 28, 2012, 03:57 PM
cool story man. good job! 8)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on May 28, 2012, 04:37 PM
oh god i remember that ropa, nice find. i wasnt even active on those forums but ive definitely seen that flash video. And tom is in the credits, haha.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on May 28, 2012, 05:46 PM
the awards 3 of WACL (the one that was all blue flash with the boxes for clear display) was available a few years ago, but it seems that is down for good now
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: avirex on May 28, 2012, 06:07 PM
i was an official referee for WACL?
i dont remember that at all... cool
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 28, 2012, 06:11 PM
Quote from: ropa on May 28, 2012, 05:46 PM the awards 3 of WACL (the one that was all blue flash with the boxes for clear display) was available a few years ago, but it seems that is down for good now
a lot of the flash awards things were hosted on lordelectro's worms center i think, might be able to wayback them...
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: barman on May 28, 2012, 06:13 PM
I'd like to watch some replays of playoff finals in the old leagues (both singles and/or clanners). Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 28, 2012, 06:14 PM
lex or franz has some of these, bart. i forget which atm though.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Husk on May 31, 2012, 08:33 PM
replays came 2004 O= oldest playoff final replays there were, would be in cl2k?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Phanton on May 31, 2012, 08:57 PM
no exist cla MLP ?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Shifty on May 31, 2012, 10:53 PM
Where did u find list for players who reached elite? think my name was XxPrOdiGyxX back when had elite rank. had to have x's in ure name back then :P was great to see all the names of past wormers i had forgotten. thanks
lol if not prodigy might been spaz2000...stfu don judge me i was 13!!! hehe
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 31, 2012, 11:11 PM
Quote from: slacker on May 31, 2012, 10:53 PM Where did u find list for players who reached elite? think my name was XxPrOdiGyxX back when had elite rank. had to have x's in ure name back then :P was great to see all the names of past wormers i had forgotten. thanks
lol if not prodigy might been spaz2000...stfu don judge me i was 13!!! hehe
slacker are you blazed brah?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Crazy on May 31, 2012, 11:13 PM
This was the top-100 at that time atleast. Indeed, many were wanking of too the x's :P Same was with AIM-accounts
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Shifty on May 31, 2012, 11:18 PM
wally i am past blazed and gone an burnout :P there is no comming back once your here...hehe
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on May 31, 2012, 11:43 PM
seriously, who is sev? i recognize 7/10 of the top 10 from back then but i dont remember the guy in the top spot? Did he hack it like Kufner?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheKomodo on June 01, 2012, 01:14 AM
This is hardly history by the way, but a very very small percentage of heroes of WA.
And that list is somehow wrong, I have been playing WA since July 1999, and I was heavily involved in the ranks before they went down and badcereal for starters was 1st when the whole thing went down, I remember cuz that guy was like an idol of mine... I always pictured him as some brazilian gangster.
Who the hell is sev cuz I really don't remember that name ever being on the list of best players...
There are several winning clans missing, some of which I have been a part of myself, amongst alot of my old friends who haven't been mentioned :(
Still, fantastic to see some of the results, thanks for your time Crazy.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Dub-c on June 01, 2012, 01:37 AM
Se7en?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: ANO on June 01, 2012, 07:42 AM
wow, vgj Crazy! Yee could someone attach some replays?!
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 01, 2012, 08:33 AM
BADCER3AL TOP BRAZIL
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on June 01, 2012, 09:17 AM
Quote from: Komito on June 01, 2012, 01:14 AM There are several winning clans missing, some of which I have been a part of myself, amongst alot of my old friends who haven't been mentioned :(
People mention me all the time, brah! Everyone knows teh walrus. :P
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Random00 on June 01, 2012, 12:08 PM
I remember playing a league called TPL for a few months. I think barman was the admin. Does anyone have any data from this? And I also remember the last Playoffs on FB. I finished 2nd. Ramb0 beat me 3-1 in the playoff final.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Statik on June 01, 2012, 12:34 PM
barman has all replays of TPL but he is too newb to restore and upload them somewhere :D
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: DarkOne on June 01, 2012, 01:18 PM
Found a couple of playoff threads on ye olde fb forums between the spambot threads :)
Season 19 playoffs (cancelled - names in bold won their games)
[1.] fr4nk vs. [16.] Alex13 [2.] Ramb0 vs. [15.] NvM [3.] Dibz vs. [14.] crash [4.] Benzine vs. [13.] Wyvern [5.] Volcom vs. [12.] Face [6.] n4no vs. [11.] Killger [7.] uLeaD vs. [10.] Gonzo [8.] Random00 vs. [9.] RoQQo
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: StepS on June 01, 2012, 01:36 PM
ye, i visited fb.laene.nl two years ago i think, and it was still alive. do you have any other backup rather than this (http://web.archive.org/web/20090304202132/http://fb.laene.nl/forum/index.php)?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: rU` on June 01, 2012, 01:55 PM
very good initiative Crazy! :-*
also good stuff Crazy, Darkone and Co.
RoQQo aka Gonzho lol that dude was funny as hell, wonder where he gone
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 01, 2012, 02:30 PM
The polish Gonzo ?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: rU` on June 02, 2012, 09:42 AM
yea Pirian!
It was Gonzho though, not to confuse with the German Gonzo.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: theredi on June 02, 2012, 10:22 AM
RoQQo aka Gonzho lol that dude was funny as hell, wonder where he gone
he works as flight attendant now ;] i think no time for worms for him ;/
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Chicken23 on June 02, 2012, 10:38 AM
excellent post Crazy
There was a WL awards tourney that was sort of the best of the best. It happened twice as their were two WL awards. I remember because the first one IBB beat me by playing lame in bng.
The second one i reached the final and lost to Volcom, on quater finals i beat templest, semi finals i beat MPH and then Volcom won the deciding pro (i won bng, him roper) on a 2 level carvern t17 map lol.
I was also staff at cl2k but got booted when i decided to start AL league with anubis, deano and mini.
I may have some records from xtc winners and AL as was admin of both leagues..
I've never deleted a replay, it would be interesting to see whats on my very old pc that sits in the attic.
Crazy, have you spoken to KRD? He started working on a similar project of acheiving the WA history? He may be able to help, also. Maybe we should start a database to compile this information? We could have confirmed stats from web achieves and hard evidence, compared to unconfirmed results from people's stories etc.. if someone said they won a season, its going to be fairly easy to prove as can research into it...
Also, what about WEL results?
ps. any chance of getting the runners up to wacl? That season win by EiF, we lost to them in the finals, mrraja used silkworm bng cheat to win :( I remember CKC making a few other WACL playoffs vs HoS and TEA.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Chicken23 on June 02, 2012, 05:27 PM
Also
What about getting some results for wwp? Plenty of leagues like cbc and season winners for clanners and singles!
I think TuS could create a new tab of 'community history' and all these accolades could be compiled into an awesome achieve of champions and season winners ;D
I'd be happy to help the research.. as many tournies as possible and everything could be found.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 02, 2012, 06:32 PM
the best part of the FB forums is that you can read their private forums (or could last time I checked)
Their staff was way off in their alias realizations, though.
chicken if you never deleted your replays could you do a search for "ropa" and make me a .rar pls bro
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: rU` on June 02, 2012, 07:00 PM
What about getting some results for wwp? Plenty of leagues like cbc and season winners for clanners and singles!
I think TuS could create a new tab of 'community history' and all these accolades could be compiled into an awesome achieve of champions and season winners ;D
I'd be happy to help the research.. as many tournies as possible and everything could be found.
Good idea Pollo23
Although it's gonna be hard, try to get in touch with Nephalim. As you may remember, he was the owner of CBC.
His email used to be nephalim[at]hotmail[dot]com
CBClans was ruled by KTC and LoR mainly. There were also some good clans which deserve to be mentioned, such as FeW (Lalo and other Americans), wQw (I personally didn't like most of them... sorry Dulek<3) and pB; Mast3r, Alias, Flori and me xD (we won a couple of seasons) I also remember a clan called wA which were formed by w:a players who tried to conquer the w:wp streetz, muaahah. In the end they didn't. Probably because they were more focused on w:a...
CBSingles was ruled by SoLo, Lyte aka Slaw, Oso and me on their last days :-[
Also, Glady might have some info from ktc clan site, as this clan earned the most achievements in w:wp.
The competition was too low compared to w:a. One thing is for sure, w:wp players always prefered to play funners over league games. I remember playing Ropers only zook (OZ) on Fabrouse and Aenemic maps. When I first came to w:a, I got annoyed by its players due to taking ropers way too serious. They used only mines and grenades, even in funners! At this point, we can't compare both communities since w:wp died long time ago, plus it got merged with w:a... what I wanted to state is that the Freestyle and "play for fun" spirit comes from w:wp. I realize that I'm generalizing here, but that's my opinion /offtopic
That's all I managed to get so far... some CBClans winners of 2007, which were the last w:wp sessions... it died in October'07
first time I'm using this wayback archive tool... it's cool but I don't know how to handle it
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: DarkOne on June 02, 2012, 11:15 PM
More worms history not included in the first post: http://wormolympics.com/previous
The attached file has txt files of all but 4 of the RRkit tourneys. I also have a bunch of rating calculations (for the first 20 or so tourneys at least), but not sure if those are interesting enough :)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Rok on June 03, 2012, 11:53 AM
Here's everything that's been captured about cbc, if someone wanna browse through it.
What about getting some results for wwp? Plenty of leagues like cbc and season winners for clanners and singles!
I think TuS could create a new tab of 'community history' and all these accolades could be compiled into an awesome achieve of champions and season winners ;D
I'd be happy to help the research.. as many tournies as possible and everything could be found.
Good idea Pollo23
Although it's gonna be hard, try to get in touch with Nephalim. As you may remember, he was the owner of CBC.
His email used to be nephalim[at]hotmail[dot]com
CBClans was ruled by KTC and LoR mainly. There were also some good clans which deserve to be mentioned, such as FeW (Lalo and other Americans), wQw (I personally didn't like most of them... sorry Dulek<3) and pB; Mast3r, Alias, Flori and me xD (we won a couple of seasons) I also remember a clan called wA which were formed by w:a players who tried to conquer the w:wp streetz, muaahah. In the end they didn't. Probably because they were more focused on w:a...
CBSingles was ruled by SoLo, Lyte aka Slaw, Oso and me on their last days :-[
Also, Glady might have some info from ktc clan site, as this clan earned the most achievements in w:wp.
The competition was too low compared to w:a. One thing is for sure, w:wp players always prefered to play funners over league games. I remember playing Ropers only zook (OZ) on Fabrouse and Aenemic maps. When I first came to w:a, I got annoyed by its players due to taking ropers way too serious. They used only mines and grenades, even in funners! At this point, we can't compare both communities since w:wp died long time ago, plus it got merged with w:a... what I wanted to state is that the Freestyle and "play for fun" spirit comes from w:wp. I realize that I'm generalizing here, but that's my opinion /offtopic
Wow, old stuff, just read I won PO in october 2006, who the hell remembers that lol
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 07, 2012, 12:04 PM
Quote from: Leroy on June 02, 2012, 07:00 PM CBClans was ruled by KTC and LoR mainly. There were also some good clans which deserve to be mentioned, such as FeW (Lalo and other Americans), wQw (I personally didn't like most of them... sorry Dulek<3) and pB; Mast3r, Alias, Flori and me xD (we won a couple of seasons)
What the heck ?! How dare you forget kF ! Seita, Adam, Redspider, Neo, me and some inactive. :p
There were also AoD (Sly8/Muad'Dib, Master, Alias, Razor, me and some other I can't remember atm), but we weren't that active in Cbc.
Anyway, WWP was hundred time better than W:A tho. ^^ We had no trolls at all (or very few) and our games were freaking awesome.
Lyte was kinda overall (that guy rocked. :o), but dissapeared in the middle of Cbs.
For the others, I can't remember.
And my poor little me was standing top 3 in default schemes. ;( I really can't remember who were my opponents (others in top 5) in defaults, if someone remember, I'd like some nicks plz. :)
PS: And I won't tell about our funners Tower. :p Some awesome BnGs with Future also, anyone knows what happenned to him ? And same for Wyvern, I know he sometimes play, but so hard to catch him..
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 07, 2012, 12:10 PM
To delete. :-X
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: darkmaul on June 07, 2012, 12:53 PM
Well, if we leave subjective issues aside, like ToP having, by quite some difference, the best collection of skilled players in one same WWP clan, it still remains as the only clan to have an unbeaten perfect season in a clan league. And that was accomplished not one but two times.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 07, 2012, 02:33 PM
About ToP, I don't even remember that clan. Who were in ?
I tried writting a list because I figured I'd remember but turns out I don't...
from the currently active players, besides Komodo I recall avirex and chicken... and um, shady and lordy with someone else were founders... hmm, AnimaL was in, anubis too, volcom... and obviously the legendary YaKuZa... there were many more, someone might remember better
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Free on June 07, 2012, 03:59 PM
Well, if we leave subjective issues aside, like ToP having, by quite some difference, the best collection of skilled players in one same WWP clan, it still remains as the only clan to have an unbeaten perfect season in a clan league. And that was accomplished not one but two times.
Well if we leave the subjective issues aside, dt is still the most accomplished clan ever. CF and mm (because of mm is kind of dt) is getting close.
And who gives a shit if you go unbeaten on WWP, do it on W:A like HoS did and you have some srs propsö
:P
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 07, 2012, 04:44 PM
Well, if we leave subjective issues aside, like ToP having, by quite some difference, the best collection of skilled players in one same WWP clan, it still remains as the only clan to have an unbeaten perfect season in a clan league. And that was accomplished not one but two times.
Well if we leave the subjective issues aside, dt is still the most accomplished clan ever. CF and mm (because of mm is kind of dt) is getting close.
And who gives a shit if you go unbeaten on WWP,
:P
dt was never in WWP so I don't understand how you managed to bring that into the discussion...
Quotedo it on W:A like HoS did and you have some srs propsö
you speak as if I didn't...
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Dub-c on June 07, 2012, 05:02 PM
Since when is wwp relevant?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Dulek on June 07, 2012, 05:37 PM
It was for 2 years, most good players from WA moved and it was the worms game. Then came the betas.
Ah, I get it, you didn't realize an actual answer existed eh.
yeah, true, it didnt seem like 2 years even. most people i played with came and went in less than a year, many of us came back well before the beta. so many people didnt even make the move, the only time wwp was ever loaded was when it was brand spanking new, once that wore off, people came back to wa.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 07, 2012, 09:45 PM
Those shitty color maps destroyed WWP. Well, they aren't bad, just sad they killed WWP. :'(
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 07, 2012, 09:45 PM
Quote from: Leroy on June 02, 2012, 07:00 PM CBClans was ruled by KTC and LoR mainly. There were also some good clans which deserve to be mentioned, such as FeW (Lalo and other Americans), wQw (I personally didn't like most of them... sorry Dulek<3) and pB; Mast3r, Alias, Flori and me xD (we won a couple of seasons)
What the heck ?! How dare you forget kF ! Seita, Adam, Redspider, Neo, me and some inactive. :p
There were also AoD (Sly8/Muad'Dib, Master, Alias, Razor, me and some other I can't remember atm), but we weren't that active in Cbc.
You're right, Pirian! kF, killing Frenzy. It was a great and cool CBC clan. Sorry, I'm sure I've forgotten a lot more successful clans/players.
@ropa: I remember ToP clan, but I don't think you guys played too much w:wp. I recall ToP as a two-man team (you and dev-h?) which played a couple of clanners and then never showed up again. I recall wA being much more dangerous than ToP. And yeah, wA won a CBC season.
Anyway, WWP people ftw! What would w:a be nowadays without them? :-[
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Abnaxus on June 07, 2012, 10:32 PM
Quote from: Leroy on June 02, 2012, 07:00 PM CBClans was ruled by KTC and LoR mainly. There were also some good clans which deserve to be mentioned, such as FeW (Lalo and other Americans), wQw (I personally didn't like most of them... sorry Dulek<3) and pB; Mast3r, Alias, Flori and me xD (we won a couple of seasons)
What the heck ?! How dare you forget kF ! Seita, Adam, Redspider, Neo, me and some inactive. :p
There were also AoD (Sly8/Muad'Dib, Master, Alias, Razor, me and some other I can't remember atm), but we weren't that active in Cbc.
You're right, Pirian! kF, killing Frenzy. It was a great and cool CBC clan. Sorry, I'm sure I've forgotten a lot more successful clans/players.
@ropa: I remember ToP clan, but I don't think you guys played too much w:wp. I recall ToP as a two-man team (you and dev-h?) which played a couple of clanners and then never showed up again. I recall wA being much more dangerous than ToP. And yeah, wA won a CBC season.
Anyway, WWP people ftw! What would w:a be nowadays without them? :-[
you're talking about the remake not the original clan
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheKomodo on June 08, 2012, 01:28 AM
I was in dt too xD
I really wish Deano still played.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Chicken23 on June 09, 2012, 10:26 AM
There were also some successful clans in wwp before some of those 'wwp born pro' of today are doing well.
This is before cbc, and clans like HDI, KTC, vP etc.
What was ownless and fox's clan that won some leagues?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Husk on June 09, 2012, 10:45 AM
I believe it was dr
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Anubis on June 10, 2012, 10:25 PM
The first clan I joined when switching to WWP was eN, with Wurzel as leader. I think we had IrwlZ and Pitchblack as members, can't remember the rest. Reddeath was also ToP, Novicane and/or Vantage too, The Sherriff and BigC or something. Basically it was an allstar team of that era current best wormers. I also recall Griffix on the roster on ToP... but it was at a later stage I think.
Btw, what was the name of Tjerps brother? Never figured out after he became inactive.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
Novicane... :(
Why are there no more cool wormers nowadays
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on June 12, 2012, 02:17 AM
Dennis? Hes still working at UPS (7 years) when i last talked to him, he plays call of duty on the xbox nonstop. I went over to his house years ago, was going to go 1 or 2 years ago but we lost touch for the most part, i stopped playing xbox. Dennis is the man. :)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Anubis on June 12, 2012, 02:47 AM
Now I imagine him as Doug from King of Queens. :p
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on June 12, 2012, 02:49 AM
Haha he doesn't wear the outfit though, he works in the warehouse.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Crazy on June 12, 2012, 08:17 AM
I'd love to see DwI back. Someone should get in touch with Flipzter, ME or novicane. Maybe they'd return if they knew that WA is active with a new league
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on June 12, 2012, 09:06 AM
Quote from: Crazy on June 12, 2012, 08:17 AM I'd love to see DwI back. Someone should get in touch with Flipzter, ME or novicane. Maybe they'd return if they knew that WA is active with a new league
They'd last 2 days.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Random00 on June 12, 2012, 11:26 AM
I like your optimism, ropa.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on June 12, 2012, 05:45 PM
Quote from: Crazy on June 12, 2012, 08:17 AM I'd love to see DwI back. Someone should get in touch with Flipzter, ME or novicane. Maybe they'd return if they knew that WA is active with a new league
They'd last 2 days.
Well, ropa is right, Dennis said him, xMEx, and pitch came back in like 2009 or something and lasted a week. It takes a certain type of player to stick around this game for so long.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: HHC on June 12, 2012, 07:52 PM
oh yeah Tjerp, that wasn't good for people's stereotypes of the dutch :-[
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: puma on June 27, 2012, 03:24 PM
Reading this had been a nostalgic over load. Great times.
I saw ropa ask c23 for replays. If anyone on here had some replays with me I would love to get them.
Good to see people are still playing this game.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Twyrfher on June 27, 2012, 06:50 PM
Cool thread, I'd not seen it. ??? For the romantics: "Every past time was better...". Don't get fooled by your noobish eyes of those times.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Chicken23 on June 27, 2012, 09:32 PM
I saw ropa ask c23 for replays. If anyone on here had some replays with me I would love to get them.
Good to see people are still playing this game.
sexay'puma 8) hows it going?
I'll try and find the very old computer, but its in my mums house. I know it will have replays of SilientMime when he was in CKC so probably some when we were playing qp and others like NBR id imagine.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: puma on July 02, 2012, 02:19 PM
That would be awesome.
It's going great. Life makes it a bit harder to play video games now a days. Browsing this site makes me wish I had never stopped playing this one.
Would be pretty entertaining to see SilentMime troll the shit out of people.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Kaleu on March 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
What's the profile of this 'BadCereal' guy here in TUS? I can't find it, I wanna watch some replays of him. I know Kaya, he often hosts intermediates, it's weird that old and good players like them act like random players on wormnet.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: MaStEr on March 14, 2016, 12:35 PM
wow crazy.. i didnt remember that i played XTC league lol.. anyway amazing job mate.. i'm still thinking about wwp time.... :-[
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 05:21 PM
I wanna know where this data came from. I won BNG league sometime back in 2000.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 05:34 PM
It was such a trip reading through this thread. It's kinda sad though. Countless hours spent playing with people and really getting to know them, only for them to move on and lose touch. There are some names in this thread that I had completely forgotten about. I dunno how anyone could be super active in a game and then just 'retire.' Even though I take breaks from W:A sometimes, I could never just stop playing completely. I wish we had the contact info for all of these older players so we could get them back. Modern games blow, and W:A these days just isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. It's dull. 99% of the funny/interesting/rad people are gone. I'd love to see weirdo like MrE, Goaty, SilentMime, erod, and Fizix trolling the f@#! out of people. I wish there were more uptight buttholes like CheechLizard to harass. I absolutely hate the fact that almost everyone I knew is gone.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 07:07 PM
Quote from: Kaleu on March 13, 2016, 02:14 PM What's the profile of this 'BadCereal' guy here in TUS? I can't find it, I wanna watch some replays of him. I know Kaya, he often hosts intermediates, it's weird that old and good players like them act like random players on wormnet.
I haven't seen BadCereal on in ages. I was a noob last time I saw him on. All I know is that he was a Brazilian W2 player that came to W:A after it launched. I seem to remember that he was really good, but then again I sucked. The only thing I was decent at back then was BNG, which is ironic since I am terrible at it now. (But at least my rope is still good!)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Y2JID on May 10, 2016, 07:29 AM
And that list is somehow wrong, I have been playing WA since July 1999, and I was heavily involved in the ranks before they went down and badcereal for starters was 1st when the whole thing went down, I remember cuz that guy was like an idol of mine... I always pictured him as some brazilian gangster.
Who the hell is sev cuz I really don't remember that name ever being on the list of best players...
There are several winning clans missing, some of which I have been a part of myself, amongst alot of my old friends who haven't been mentioned :(
Still, fantastic to see some of the results, thanks for your time Crazy.
so true
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Y2JID on May 10, 2016, 07:39 AM
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM
First some background. Most of you won't remember me, but I once ran a fairly large worms website called "Joe's Worms Page for Dummies". This was a pretty big deal to me in my pre-adolescent non-existent life. I looked at the site's stats compulsively every day, and almost considered myself some kind of worms celebrity. I specialized in providing worms programs - everything you could think of - grave changers, a HL2 mod, up to and including full versions of Worms 2, WWP, and the Korean/Chinese/Japanese Worms games. I was on an obsessive all-consuming mission to collect everything, public and private.
Over the years I've done a lot of things in service of that mission which I am not proud of. Basically everyone who was my friend I betrayed in some way. To everyone I was an asshole to, I am very sorry. This was all at least 10-15 years ago, but I have never forgotten. I feel that these things should be added to the history books.
In no particular order:
-I sent Deadcode a program I 'wrote' in visual basic which had a hidden freeware component that i downloaded from a website for 'script kiddies'. That free script let you browse a target's hard drive and download things. The visible part that I wrote was a simple form where you click on a gif of a fat kid repeatedly to make him dance. My goal was to steal WA's source code. This was when I had access to various beta builds via the alpha testing group and spoke with DC regularly. DC was too smart to heed my repeated advice to leave the program open (and download winsock dll's), but I am certain he knew (or later discovered) what was up. Good thing I was unsuccessful - probably would have released it and destroyed WA. I never really spoke to DC again after that.
-I sent the above program to TonY (author of RRkit) and stole his private build of 'batty ropes' back when it was still exclusive. I shared his copy with a friend and that friend distributed it widely. TonY got blamed and basically disappeared from WN after that.
-Using above program also stole good buddy (S.K.)'s private copy of Silkworm 4.13f (very powerful cheating abilities) which had "For XXXX" (buddy's name) plastered in the popup. I shared his copy with one or two people. Somehow fortunately it didn't get spread much beyond that. Shortly after this guy disappeared from WN forever. The real shitty thing is I had my own private watermarked versions of both batty ropes and silkworm, but I didn't want to risk sharing my copies.
-Me and above friend tried to trick totomds into sending us his private build which enabled global SDET mode and some other goodies. We posed as a fake webhosting company selling dedicated servers, offering one to totomds in exchange for the build. I pressured this friend to give toto his phone number (mother's house phone #) as the 'sales rep' because i had a squeaky child voice still at that point - lol. Toto played along for a while and then called us out on it - i guess it was too obvious!
-I extracted the database from my former worms site to get all the hashed passwords. I recovered some of those passwords, using them to gain access to admin accounts on other worms sites, from which i downloaded the databases/hashed passwords. I also stole the databases from a few sites which I hosted on my web server. RRkit, and Syc0's Anubis/Deano/Mini/Chicken23's short-lived league called AL, and maybe a small forum or two. Had a list of over 2000 people's decoded passwords at one point. Ultimately gained admin access to cl2k with a friend's help, got the database, and friend deleted the whole site. Cl2k never really came back after that. That sucks - cl2k was a great site. We very nearly did the same thing to blamethepixel.
-After meeting qp`Pure/Magic IRL decided i was too "cool" for my good online worms buddy Lex (who we had both also met previously), since he had a bunch of programming books and stuff at his house. Badmouthed him to Magic and worse still i told a bunch of people that Lex was weird and uncool (which was completely and objectively not true). Reading the above, was i cool? f@#! no, i was a pale faced geek/nerd/insecure asshole, 100%.
-Long after the above events Lex put his neck on the line to share a very exclusive gamebreakingly-powerful (now defunct) WA mod with me. I broke his trust once again and shared it with someone. Luckily this was a better person than me because afaik he never shared it or even used it.
This was back in a time when I only had a few real life friends. Worms and most of these people were all disproportionately big parts of my life. I have never talked about most of these things or apologized to any of these people. Too late now - just adding it in case people find it interesting.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Husk on October 23, 2016, 11:20 AM
have u thinking of getting professional help xD
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Free on October 23, 2016, 12:05 PM
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM First some background. Most of you won't remember me, but I once ran a fairly large worms website called "Joe's Worms Page for Dummies". This was a pretty big deal to me in my pre-adolescent non-existent life. I looked at the site's stats compulsively every day, and almost considered myself some kind of worms celebrity. I specialized in providing worms programs - everything you could think of - grave changers, a HL2 mod, up to and including full versions of Worms 2, WWP, and the Korean/Chinese/Japanese Worms games. I was on an obsessive all-consuming mission to collect everything, public and private.
Over the years I've done a lot of things in service of that mission which I am not proud of. Basically everyone who was my friend I betrayed in some way. To everyone I was an asshole to, I am very sorry. This was all at least 10-15 years ago, but I have never forgotten. I feel that these things should be added to the history books.
In no particular order:
-I sent Deadcode a program I 'wrote' in visual basic which had a hidden freeware component that i downloaded from a website for 'script kiddies'. That free script let you browse a target's hard drive and download things. The visible part that I wrote was a simple form where you click on a gif of a fat kid repeatedly to make him dance. My goal was to steal WA's source code. This was when I had access to various beta builds via Team15 and spoke with DC regularly. DC was too smart to heed my repeated advice to leave the program open (and download winsock dll's), but I am certain he knew (or later discovered) what was up. Good thing I was unsuccessful - probably would have released it and destroyed WA. I never really spoke to DC again after that.
-I sent the above program to TonY (author of RRkit) and stole his private build of 'batty ropes' back when it was still exclusive. I shared his copy with a friend and that friend distributed it widely. TonY got blamed and basically disappeared from WN after that.
-Using above program also stole good buddy (S.K.)'s private copy of Silkworm 4.13f (very powerful cheating abilities) which had "For XXXX" (buddy's name) plastered in the popup. I shared his copy with one or two people. Somehow fortunately it didn't get spread much beyond that. Shortly after this guy disappeared from WN forever. The real shitty thing is I had my own private watermarked versions of both batty ropes and silkworm, but I didn't want to risk sharing my copies.
-Me and above friend tried to trick totomds into sending us his private build which enabled global SDET mode and some other goodies. We posed as a fake webhosting company selling dedicated servers, offering one to totomds in exchange for the build. I pressured this friend to give toto his phone number (mother's house phone #) as the 'sales rep' because i had a squeaky child voice still at that point - lol. Toto played along for a while and then called us out on it - i guess it was too obvious!
-I extracted the database from my former worms site to get all the hashed passwords. I recovered some of those passwords, using them to gain access to admin accounts on other worms sites, from which i downloaded the databases/hashed passwords. I also stole the databases from a few sites which I hosted on my web server. RRkit, and Syc0's short-lived league called AL, and maybe a small forum or two. Had a list of over 2000 people's decoded passwords at one point. Ultimately gained admin access to cl2k with a friend's help, got the database, and friend deleted the whole site. Cl2k never really came back after that. That sucks - cl2k was a great site. We very nearly did the same thing to blamethepixel.
-After meeting qp`Pure/Magic IRL decided i was too "cool" for my good online worms buddy Lex (who we had both also met previously), since he had a bunch of programming books and stuff at his house. Badmouthed him to Magic and worse still i told a bunch of people that Lex was weird and uncool. Reading the above, was i cool? f@#! no, i was a pale faced geek/nerd/insecure asshole, 100%. Lex was actually very cool in that he gave no f@#!s and did his own thing, which i did not understand at the time.
-Long after the above events Lex put his neck on the line to share a very exclusive gamebreakingly-powerful (now defunct) WA mod with me. I broke his trust once again and shared it with someone. Luckily this was a better person than me because afaik he never shared it or even used it.
This was back in a time when I only had a few real life friends. Worms and most of these people were all disproportionately big parts of my life. I have never talked about most of these things or apologized to any of these people. Too late now - just adding it in case people find it interesting.
How about you would start your career by appreacting the art of worms instead trying to be a scrpit kiddie on a mission on our lovely game ;[ Sucks man. I know your site, played korean worms from it, wouldn't thought you liked also doing stuffs like this.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on October 23, 2016, 01:15 PM
j0e - a few things:
1. Good job coming clean on your ridiculous behavior, you were a bit of a megalomaniac
2. Whatever happened to Ryan Brummit?
3. I'm glad that DC saw through your bullshit, because you would have ruined any chance of updates to the game going forward
4. For a player with one of the biggest worms sites ever, you sure seemed to hate the community, were content to watch it burn
5. Hopefully you have changed, I've always been friends with you, and never suspected any of this
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: ANO on October 23, 2016, 01:29 PM
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Deadcode on October 23, 2016, 01:49 PM
Wow JoE, I never knew about this side of you. I hugely respect that you're finally coming clean about it though. That takes guts.
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM -I sent Deadcode a program I 'wrote' in visual basic which had a hidden freeware component that i downloaded from a website for 'script kiddies'. That free script let you browse a target's hard drive and download things. The visible part that I wrote was a simple form where you click on a gif of a fat kid repeatedly to make him dance. My goal was to steal WA's source code. This was when I had access to various beta builds via the alpha testing group and spoke with DC regularly. DC was too smart to heed my repeated advice to leave the program open (and download winsock dll's), but I am certain he knew (or later discovered) what was up. Good thing I was unsuccessful - probably would have released it and destroyed WA. I never really spoke to DC again after that.
I have no memory of this. I don't remember you sending me any programs, don't remember you asking me repeatedly to keep one open, nor talking about winsock DLLs. I have pretty much always been cautious about such things, though.
Maybe with further details my memory could be jogged. I'd be quite curious to know. Do you remember the approximate date when this happened, and what means you used to send the program to me?
I'm guessing that if you did send me this program, I either ran it under a VM or never got around to running it at all.
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM -I extracted the database from my former worms site to get all the hashed passwords. I recovered some of those passwords, using them to gain access to admin accounts on other worms sites, from which i downloaded the databases/hashed passwords. I also stole the databases from a few sites which I hosted on my web server. RRkit, and Syc0's short-lived league called AL, and maybe a small forum or two. Had a list of over 2000 people's decoded passwords at one point. Ultimately gained admin access to cl2k with a friend's help, got the database, and friend deleted the whole site. Cl2k never really came back after that. That sucks - cl2k was a great site. We very nearly did the same thing to blamethepixel.
Wow. I don't want to make you feel more guilty than you do already, but of all the things you've listed, this is probably the worst. The worst part about this is that there was no backup, and all the cl2k forum posts were lost forever. Although I did save some threads on my hard drive (mainly ones where replays were being shared).
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: j0e on October 23, 2016, 02:32 PM
Last I spoke to him was 10+ years ago - he was moving to the state of Washington, driving all the way from Missouri. He was emphatically done with worms at that point.
Quote from: Deadcode on October 23, 2016, 01:49 PM I have no memory of this. I don't remember you sending me any programs, don't remember you asking me repeatedly to keep one open, nor talking about winsock DLLs. I have pretty much always been cautious about such things, though.
Maybe with further details my memory could be jogged. I'd be quite curious to know. Do you remember the approximate date when this happened, and what means you used to send the program to me?
I'm guessing that if you did send me this program, I either ran it under a VM or never got around to running it at all.
A very long time ago on AIM - roughly 2003 or 2004. This was the gif: http://giphy.com/gifs/fat-11pVPEm3W6QS7S. I don't know if you ever opened it, but I definitely sent it. Figured you probably took precautions like that. The script added "|COMPLETE|" to the end of all the files it downloaded. I don't have regular access to my old worms files or I might be able to come up with a more exact date. I don't have the cl2k db anymore.
Quote from: Deadcode Wow. I don't want to make you feel more guilty than you do already, but of all the things you've listed, this is probably the worst. The worst part about this is that there was no backup, and all the cl2k forum posts were lost forever. Although I did save some threads on my hard drive (mainly ones where replays were being shared).
Yes. That was a very major loss. I do feel worse now.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Husk on October 23, 2016, 03:07 PM
ae good to hear j0e, we all have our skeletons in closet so who am I to judge ur post =P
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Anubis on October 23, 2016, 03:23 PM
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM -I extracted the database from my former worms site to get all the hashed passwords. I recovered some of those passwords, using them to gain access to admin accounts on other worms sites, from which i downloaded the databases/hashed passwords. I also stole the databases from a few sites which I hosted on my web server. RRkit, and Syc0's short-lived league called AL, and maybe a small forum or two. Had a list of over 2000 people's decoded passwords at one point. Ultimately gained admin access to cl2k with a friend's help, got the database, and friend deleted the whole site. Cl2k never really came back after that. That sucks - cl2k was a great site. We very nearly did the same thing to blamethepixel.
Wow. I don't want to make you feel more guilty than you do already, but of all the things you've listed, this is probably the worst. The worst part about this is that there was no backup, and all the cl2k forum posts were lost forever. Although I did save some threads on my hard drive (mainly ones where replays were being shared).
Can you share the replays please?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Senator on October 23, 2016, 04:37 PM
FB had these schemes earlier: Battle Race, BnG, Pro / Elite, Fort, Roper, Rope Race, Shopper, Team17
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Tomi on October 23, 2016, 06:22 PM
Sick story there j0e, but nice that you have changed and regret those things, however I am sure not everyone can forgive you easily.. I guess there are some people who better not read that post. Anyway the moral of the story is still the same: don't use the same password for a game and for your bank account and it is very dangerous to open a non-trusted application.
By the way a tell your worms story (/ apologize) topic could have some interesting writings I guess.. unfortunately I would have to add there some words too, because I ruined the hungarian league anno with really stupid things I regret already. Ah and I also had access to things I shouldn't have (since I also had some worms sites), but I never abuse that situation for bad things. (nothing related to GS here, don't worry guys :D)
Little on topic: I have the source code and the db of the hungarian league still, but this might be interesting only for some hungarian players. And this topic has convienced me that I should backup the nW site also, because it is a nice memory for some people I guess.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: darKz on October 23, 2016, 07:57 PM
So that's where cl2k went.. Damn. Bold move to come clean about it Joe, mucho respecto.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Anubis on October 24, 2016, 12:58 AM
I also did lots of silly things, one was to send MrE the logged static IP on AL from ropa to him. I think ropa lost his stuff and all, he hates me to this day and would never play with me agai... wait.. :O
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Y2JID on October 26, 2016, 06:55 PM
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM -I sent Deadcode a program I 'wrote' in visual basic which had a hidden freeware component that i downloaded from a website for 'script kiddies'. That free script let you browse a target's hard drive and download things. The visible part that I wrote was a simple form where you click on a gif of a fat kid repeatedly to make him dance. My goal was to steal WA's source code. This was when I had access to various beta builds via the alpha testing group and spoke with DC regularly. DC was too smart to heed my repeated advice to leave the program open (and download winsock dll's), but I am certain he knew (or later discovered) what was up. Good thing I was unsuccessful - probably would have released it and destroyed WA. I never really spoke to DC again after that.
I have no memory of this. I don't remember you sending me any programs, don't remember you asking me repeatedly to keep one open, nor talking about winsock DLLs. I have pretty much always been cautious about such things, though.
Maybe with further details my memory could be jogged. I'd be quite curious to know. Do you remember the approximate date when this happened, and what means you used to send the program to me?
I'm guessing that if you did send me this program, I either ran it under a VM or never got around to running it at all.
A very long time ago on AIM - roughly 2003 or 2004. This was the gif: http://giphy.com/gifs/fat-11pVPEm3W6QS7S. I don't know if you ever opened it, but I definitely sent it. Figured you probably took precautions like that. The script added "|COMPLETE|" to the end of all the files it downloaded. I don't have regular access to my old worms files or I might be able to come up with a more exact date. I don't have the cl2k db anymore.
By the way a tell your worms story (/ apologize) topic could have some interesting writings I guess.. unfortunately I would have to add there some words too, because I ruined the hungarian league anno with really stupid things I regret already. Ah and I also had access to things I shouldn't have (since I also had some worms sites), but I never abuse that situation for bad things. (nothing related to GS here, don't worry guys :D)
Little on topic: I have the source code and the db of the hungarian league still, but this might be interesting only for some hungarian players. And this topic has convienced me that I should backup the nW site also, because it is a nice memory for some people I guess.
What do you mean you ruined it? Thought it just died because of lack of interest. I'd be glad to see some history :)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: MonkeyIsland on December 29, 2016, 06:01 AM
@Deadcode,
Does anything ever get deleted in your territory? :)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Nix on December 29, 2016, 04:05 PM
Greetings! I was hoping to find the old top 100 rankings for W:A; even a screenshot will be fine. I've looked all over the net and can't find it anywhere. Thank you!
I started reminiscing of the old days of competitive worms and roping, those were the good days. I think I was in EiF, Ropin' Raja (?) and maybe DFA but I can't really remember. I recall playing with MaxDamage, MeNaCeDoG, NRGSpoon, Zippo, Hamster, Jmoberg, Jubei (great maps!), SuperSheep (?), FnB, and losing to the top Brazilian player, I cant remember his name, but I did win once or twice!
I was primarily a standard competitive player and made it to the top 50, I think, before they froze the leaderboards. I then moved to roping and loved it. I probably put years into this game and probably over a 1000 hours of game time. This game was easily in my top 5 all time favorites, even today.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Aerox on December 29, 2016, 04:52 PM
you got caught with auto aim am i right?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Korydex on December 29, 2016, 05:29 PM
Quote from: Nix on December 29, 2016, 04:05 PM Greetings! I was hoping to find the old top 100 rankings for W:A; even a screenshot will be fine. I've looked all over the net and can't find it anywhere. Thank you!
I started reminiscing of the old days of competitive worms and roping, those were the good days. I think I was in EiF, Ropin' Raja (?) and maybe DFA but I can't really remember. I recall playing with MaxDamage, MeNaCeDoG, NRGSpoon, Zippo, Hamster, Jmoberg, Jubei (great maps!), SuperSheep (?), FnB, and losing to the top Brazilian player, I cant remember his name, but I did win once or twice!
I was primarily a standard competitive player and made it to the top 50, I think, before they froze the leaderboards. I then moved to roping and loved it. I probably put years into this game and probably over a 1000 hours of game time. This game was easily in my top 5 all time favorites, even today.
Quote from: j0e on October 23, 2016, 10:03 AM -I sent Deadcode a program I 'wrote' in visual basic which had a hidden freeware component that i downloaded from a website for 'script kiddies'. That free script let you browse a target's hard drive and download things. The visible part that I wrote was a simple form where you click on a gif of a fat kid repeatedly to make him dance. My goal was to steal WA's source code. This was when I had access to various beta builds via the alpha testing group and spoke with DC regularly. DC was too smart to heed my repeated advice to leave the program open (and download winsock dll's), but I am certain he knew (or later discovered) what was up. Good thing I was unsuccessful - probably would have released it and destroyed WA. I never really spoke to DC again after that.
I have no memory of this. I don't remember you sending me any programs, don't remember you asking me repeatedly to keep one open, nor talking about winsock DLLs. I have pretty much always been cautious about such things, though.
Maybe with further details my memory could be jogged. I'd be quite curious to know. Do you remember the approximate date when this happened, and what means you used to send the program to me?
I'm guessing that if you did send me this program, I either ran it under a VM or never got around to running it at all.
A very long time ago on AIM - roughly 2003 or 2004. This was the gif: http://giphy.com/gifs/fat-11pVPEm3W6QS7S. I don't know if you ever opened it, but I definitely sent it. Figured you probably took precautions like that. The script added "|COMPLETE|" to the end of all the files it downloaded. I don't have regular access to my old worms files or I might be able to come up with a more exact date. I don't have the cl2k db anymore.
Very nice detective work. You must have a great backup regime. Your post inspired me to go digging through my old computers/hard drives looking for the client program (file explorer/downloader) that goes with those programs. Couldn't find it, but I did find a backup of the AL (Armageddon League) forum database, and an old Coca-Cola commercial supposedly starring Deadcode with an enormous red afro.
AL database: http://www40.zippyshare.com/v/fDUbrvv0/file.html Deadcode video: http://tinypic.com/r/2rf6n9z/9
PS: Insignificant distinction and doesn't make a difference - of course I was hugely in the wrong - but those weren't viruses. It was a plain old remote file sharing program which didn't do anything malicious - it closed when closed by the user, didn't make copies of itself, alter any other files, or set to run automatically, or anything sneaky whatsoever.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Korydex on January 16, 2021, 11:01 AM
Worms League (Team17) by Syc, Hulk and Zemke
Results: https://kingbird.myphotos.cc/c1627cb9d01f77729b6eafb3e5535936/WL_player_stats.html (thanks Deadcode and Dario) Replays: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-K1B3iukzsYurMf2r4hMCDJKYj8XXN0t 683 games from 2020.09.05 to 2020.12.12 (thanks Deadcode and Hulk) The best turn: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531932112668983306/792108382642634762/2m26s_419_dmg.WAgame (in my opinion)
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheKomodo on January 16, 2021, 04:36 PM
What's the points1-points 5 all about?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Dario on January 16, 2021, 05:00 PM
Users are not supposed to see all those rankings/points, just the last one (in this case the 5th). Each ranking corresponds to one iteration of the algorithm. Once the ranking reaches a stable state, then you got a good ranking. This usually happens after the 3d iteration, so only the ranking manager needs to see all those rankings to make sure that the ranking is reaching a stable state, and see how many iterations it is taking to stabilize.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheKomodo on January 16, 2021, 05:58 PM
So what do all the iterations change? What is happening from the first to the last iteration?
Now I know what's going on, would like to know why and how it's going on.
Also, for example, blitzed, how come his doesn't change? And some change more than others? Is that due to activity?
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Dario on January 16, 2021, 09:31 PM
It is hard and actually not useful to get lost in the details of why someone's ranking changes between iterations. Basically, in the first iteration all players start with the same amount of points, so as a result of the first iteration the players will be ranked mostly according to the number of opponents they've faced and the win ratio against them. Then the second iteration starts with that ranking, and now players can be rewarded according also to who they beat, obviously beating someone from the top will get you more points than beating someone from the bottom, but who was at the top and who was at the bottom at the start of the second iteration depended mostly on their activity and win ratio and not at all on whom they beat, so perhaps the result of this second iteration is not quite reliable yet. On the third iteration you start from a ranking where win ratio matters, activity matters and who you beat matters. And so on, until the ranking is stable.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Korydex on October 28, 2023, 04:08 PM
WSL was a league / tourney site for both WA and WWP. There were some clan games too despite the name. Looks like there were a lot of technical problems and site was rebuilt a lot of times. There you can see how design changed: 1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20030601162306/http://www.wsleague.com/), 2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20031014030306/http://www.wsleague.com:80/), 3 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040429072213/http://www.wsleague.com/), 4 (https://web.archive.org/web/20041207220621/http://www.wsleague.com/index.php). There were atleast 7 seasons in 2003 and 7 seasons in 2004. The numbering was reset to zero after one of the rebuilds. When WormsVille was created there was also WormsVille Clan League (WVCL).
Season 5 playoffs from here (https://web.archive.org/web/20030805031121/http://www.wsleague.com:80/): From the Hall of Fame page as of 11.04.2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040411121839/http://www.wsleague.com/index.php?show=halloffame) Season Winners: Season 1 WWP: Sleep Season 1 WA: ? Tournament Winners: Rope WWP - Spalding Elite WA - ?
From the Hall of Fame page as of 15.12.2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20041215104112/http://www.wsleague.com/halloffame.php)
A lot of info missing :( Btw anyone knows Worms Ville domain name? Full web archive download attached.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Korydex on October 28, 2023, 04:29 PM
WCL (Worms Clan League) [2003] - wormscl.com "Welcome to WCL, the newest league for the worming community. Currently we only offer leagues for clans left without a league since the death of WLCL and WACL. Perhaps as time goes on, a singles league will be added."
League founder: BenServ WA mods: boba, shark, HHC WWP mods: blackhawk, TheReaper, HHC, Guy, ispec Judges: Dw33b, al2cane, HHC Tournament mods: deano, Guy Site admin: ZoGgEr!
WA results from here (https://web.archive.org/web/20030417052706/http://www.wormscl.com/WA/oldseasons.php)
WWP results from here (https://web.archive.org/web/20030417054921/http://www.wormscl.com/WWP/oldseasons.php)
Source: Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20031012150048/http://www.wormscl.com:80/WA/home.php), full download attached
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Free on October 28, 2023, 06:54 PM
f@#! j0e
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: TheWalrus on October 28, 2023, 09:18 PM
Hmm I don't remember playing WCL but my old clan was #4 in standings so I guess I did Nice blast from the past
Tried to webcrawl the website but there is nothing there, sad
also to a link to an email i didn't know i had, walrus@iamwasted.com , lol what a dork
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Korydex on February 25, 2024, 04:51 PM
remember the allotment, it WAS the best wa site, had like 10x the content any other website had back then. I remember it being short lived though, sad when it went offline.
Awards are kinda lol though, nothing like hosting an awards show where you award yourselves. Reminds me of corporate awards shows.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Free on February 25, 2024, 08:19 PM
TEA had amazing site, WormNet copy and it was well done. Wish I could see it again.
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: Y2JID on March 06, 2024, 04:47 AM
i miss alot of the players from cl2k :(
Title: Re: Worms History - From Rankings to the birth of TUS
Post by: BConly on March 14, 2024, 01:52 AM
What a fun post -- have not seen this before and brings back so many memories. Cheers everybody hope you're all doing well.