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Worms: Armageddon => General discussion => Topic started by: TheKomodo on June 04, 2021, 02:11 PM
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I won't reply to a thread that specific person made up in their own private forum so i'll voice my opinion here, I want people to see the truth, not a subjective agenda:
zar / roper are of equal difficulty. I could use other words to explain the differences but not difficult.
Once you reach a certain level of skill they are both straight forward and simple schemes to understand and play.
1st off, the physics are exactly the same in both.
zar has more risk, because you will lose your turn in most cases where you fall, but it is also a lot simpler to learn and master. There are less weapons so you only have to learn and master 1 weapon, there is no parachute so you don't have to worry about a lot of potential knocks(where parachute would save you).
They are both as "difficult" as each other because the physics are exactly the same, the only way zar would be more difficult is if there was less momentum in the gravity/air resistance.
Another thing which makes zar simpler is the fact the terrain is destructable, which over time makes attacking and collecting crates a lot less time consuming which effectively gives you more confidence to successfully finish your turn.
You will learn how to rope faster by playing normal roper simply because of the time saved by having that safety net, in zar, the more you fall, the less time you are in the air, the more time you must wait between turns, so you get less practise.
This makes ZaR more time consuming to learn how to rope, but not harder, it takes more patience to rope in zar.
The major downside to roper, is when played on extremely complex maps, it's literally humanly impossible to reach crates and attack. On both schemes the further away a crate is the more challenging it is to collect and attack, however in zar roper over time the land opens up making it less challenging to traverse the entire map.
Both schemes have their ups and downs.
Trying to claim zar is harder is purely subjective and biased.
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I pretty agree on the things you point out on this post.
Still, i do play a lot more ZaR and I played Roper once, not so long ago. I did waaay better in Roper than in ZaR but I think this is only due to the 3 seconds more that regular roper allows.
Otherwise I pretty agree that both conditions of these games make them quite equal on difficulty.
Actually, i think i playd like, maybe 10-20 ropers in my whole worm life. (As if I were a worm :) )
And now, i think maybe a few hundreds ZaR since a year. So I can't compare. I actually like ZaR as much for the community as for the scheme, hard to say... I'm more used to ZaR so I prefer it. And I'm used to only zook so I prefer it. Wouldn't be bothered with 'nades or mines now. I like This simplicity of ZaR, wich is basically in the name of it
As much as in the "gameplay" of it
But I wouldn't defend what is better, easier, or whatever, i just don't give a shit..
I just prefer it :)
Why bothering about such things anyway ?
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Why bothering about such things anyway ?
To begin with, playing a roper with no parachute, 12 seconds and destructable terrain existed long before a certain person decided to name it zar, in fact I remember personally playing with no parachute and destructable terrain all the way back in 1999, the same year the game came out. Of course if I recall correctly the introduction of customized turn time seconds didn't exist until later.
So far, there is no problem.
The problem is that a certain individual has a habit of spreading misinformation on the differences between classic Roper and zar. They also act like zar is superior, which is fine if it was purely an opinion but they keep making topics writing things as if they are facts, and it's just wrong.
Here is a list of some direct quotes he said in thread debating parachute in rope based schemes, showing just how ignorant and disrespectful he can truly be:
It totally feels like trainer mode is enabled holding your hand''.
It is kind of sad, that people are so reliant on this trainer mode it is embarrassing. To be honest, parachute should only be in warmers.
When I go back to say roper, I feel ashamed over myself, and embarrassed by others, because of the freaking parachute keeps activating on every turn.
You talk about parachute as safety net, but in reality it is a crutch, a reminder that you can fail.
Safety net, like diapers, you fall safe on your ass.
Parachute makes you cast responsibilities aside and rope risk free, while without parachute you can do the same but with skills and confidence.
Majority on TuS, and legacy players are more comfortable & safe using parachute. While I, some legacy players, and new generation, are not.
With chute, it can cloud their roping, while without, you will see clearly at the mistake performed.
People are fearless without parachute, it is rewarding, and pride. They fight for it. Showing that they aren't dependent on a pillow to land on.
If you wish, you can read the entire thread here to see for yourself:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/schemes/parachute-in-rope-based-schemes-32473/
He is not only disrespectful to the classic scheme, but also extremely disrespectful to the history of roping itself and the extremely talented players who spent countless hours competing in the highest skilled leagues and games that have ever existed in Worms Armageddon history, the people who spent countless hours inspiring many thousands of players.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a fun gimmick to play without parachute, however after playing zar for a while, I found it to be too simple for my liking after spending many thousands of hours playing the original roper scheme. It wasn't harder or easier, it was boring to me personally, it lacked the skill of using parachute and other weapons, making important use of fall damage and worm placement.
I think zar is a good scheme, but it's no secret I will never get along with the person taking credit for it's existence and that alone is pretty much why I don't play it.
For the record I think the w2 guys like hULk that made their own league WR are using the best roper scheme that exists.
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dude komo
the guy is literally an internet troll, you are just feeding him attention at this point
he can talk all he wants on forums, nobody takes him seriously
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sm0k, was the first person to introduce me to Worms 2 Roper (w2roper). I was Intrigued of the difficulty, because it offered 12 second turn time per turn. To me, less turn time per turn was hard at the time. I had to push myself to the limit, preferrable without fails, to do a successful turn.
sm0k, to my knowledge, he seemed to like the approach of w2roper. I suggested the idea to have no parachute, because to my understanding at the time, the concept of ''No Parachute'' was a novelty. sm0k, he seemed to like that, and from there, Zook & Rope (ZAR) was born.
So, if I understand correctly, in the past, people have claimed or more likely stated that they have played without parachute, correct? So, I assume a few games were played with no parachute, and the novelty wore off, yes? Therefore the itinerary was not present and was never fully realized.
ZaR, the unprecedented anomaly that no one could predict, the chaos that was born from a contrived past, which itself contained elements that were discarded, now shines bright.
To this date, people are more acquainted with ZaR, and the variety of sub-scheme it has. So normally, when people join a ZaR related scheme, they know what to expect. However, there are a few exception where people start to question the scheme integrity. So for example; They can be told by me, or by others, that they have entered a ZaR scheme, in which there are no parachute. The response of the people with the inquiry, can be middling. Some immediately quits, some chooses to press on, some says ''Hardcore'', or ''Interesting''. There are noromally no debates that pursues when such inquiry takes place. It all boils down to personal preference.
One of ZaR key strength lies in its community. I have played with every single person in ZaR, and not one to my knowledge are a bad person. There are none that I can see or tell that are a troll, and noob basher. Everyone are genuinely nice people. Yes there are people in ZaR that prefer zar roper over roper, but guess what? There are people in ZaR that actually likes roper more. But who really cares?
I didn't claim anything in my original thread....
Hello....
So I am just wondering which of these two schemes is the most difficult to you? ZaR Roper or Roper?
Which one do you fail on the most?
Which one do you succeed most in?
Which one do you handle stress the best in?
Which one are you more relaxed with?
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/zar/zar-roper-harder-than-roper-33165/
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Who cares
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Who cares
People who care.
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Before i met ZaR, i almost never played Roper coz it was difficult and "boring". After getting used to a scheme with more restrictions, i been seeing Roper as a smooth sailing in comparison with ZaR's hurricane of drive, coz you have no time there to correct your mistakes, you have to watch for mines, you have to remember where new passages are open due to explosions and stuff. Maybe all this is because my low roping skill, people like Smok may not even feel any difference between the two schemes.
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you have to remember where new passages are open due to explosions and stuff.
That's a good point actually, I completely forgot not everyone uses a resolution where you can see the entire screen, I use 1920x1080, so the whole map is visible in that resolution so being able to see is not an issue, neither is being able to see crates drop.
There are people who use that wkCrateFinder(is that correct?), they must be using a low resolution.
I guess a lot of your problems, personally speaking, are solved when you play on different game settings, I strongly believe the right/wrong game settings and hardware can make the experience less or more challenging depending on personal preference.
For example, without the right keyboard, I really struggle, a lot of people probably don't even realize they could be much better with a better keyboard and making use of wkRemapKeys and wkFKeyRearrange. This difference can be looking like an average player who can fail a lot and a top player who can do pretty much anything.
The mines are one of the biggest issues for me in roping schemes, personally I believe they generate luck and should be avoided, but that doesn't affect the difficulty in my opinion. For me, every variation of roper is simple, but that makes sense since i've been doing it for over 20 years.
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ever heard of dark souls?
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ever heard of dark souls?
LMAO!
ZaR, the Dark Souls of roping in WA. :D ;D
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ever heard of dark souls?
Yes, what does that have to do with the current conversation?
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im so glad kradie got the joke
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im so glad kradie got the joke
Again, i'll ask, what has Dark Souls got to do with this conversation?
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ZaR's difficulty is equivalent of Dark Souls difficulty :P
When you fail a turn in ZaR you receive the message in blood in black and white background ''You have failed''. And when you have died in ZaR Roper you get ''You have failed for the last time!'' :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
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(https://i.imgur.com/mkEWhRO.png)
@TheMadCharles, as you can see I never read anything that person says directly, never reply to them directly, it is only via the quotes of other people or post titles that appear on the main page where their text is visible so therefor have no idea what they are saying but i'm pretty sure it's either nonsense or an outright lie.
Which is why I am asking you specifically, what the purpose of dark souls has in the context of this conversation as even if I could see their text it would mean less than nothing to me as they are completely untrustworthy.
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Which is why I am asking you specifically, what the purpose of dark souls has in the context of this conversation as even if I could see their text it would mean less than nothing to me as they are completely untrustworthy.
Dark Souls has created the entire community around highly respected games that are very difficult and unforgiving. The learning curve in such games is both challenging and extremely rewarding to the players. The workshop that you need to do over yourself is real, and pushes you to the extremes, making you a significantly better player.
The same goes with Zar. It's something that you will probably never understand, as you are limited to the schemes on Easy mode, like Classic Roper and cherishing on your ignorance. You could as well just play Sims at this point, or some kids' games with a checkpoint every 30 seconds, and I wouldn't see the difference.
What is baffling me, however, is your immaturity and butthurt about somebody's opinion (to think that you needed to make the whole forum topic, to cheer yourself up that your scheme doesn't suck, makes me feel like you are just not mentally prepared for life). If you can't even handle somebody's opinion, then maybe you shouldn't be on this forum. Seriously bruh. You barely do anything here beyond humiliating yourself and acting like a 5 year old.
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1st off, Dark Souls is easier than Worms Armageddon.
You are not TheMadCharles.
I am now ignoring your ridiculous alias account and any other future accounts you decide to make, it's obvious who you are and how full of sh*t you are.
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I can perhaps understand to some degree, and can share some sentiment provided by Jessa. However, the formulation of the post and the expression Jessa used, I do not support.
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Which is why I am asking you specifically, what the purpose of dark souls has in the context of this conversation as even if I could see their text it would mean less than nothing to me as they are completely untrustworthy.
Dark Souls has created the entire community around highly respected games that are very difficult and unforgiving. The learning curve in such games is both challenging and extremely rewarding to the players. The workshop that you need to do over yourself is real, and pushes you to the extremes, making you a significantly better player.
The same goes with Zar. It's something that you will probably never understand, as you are limited to the schemes on Easy mode, like Classic Roper and cherishing on your ignorance. You could as well just play Sims at this point, or some kids' games with a checkpoint every 30 seconds, and I wouldn't see the difference.
What is baffling me, however, is your immaturity and butthurt about somebody's opinion (to think that you needed to make the whole forum topic, to cheer yourself up that your scheme doesn't suck, makes me feel like you are just not mentally prepared for life). If you can't even handle somebody's opinion, then maybe you shouldn't be on this forum. Seriously bruh. You barely do anything here beyond humiliating yourself and acting like a 5 year old.
It appears somebody cannot handle somebodys opinion a degree more than the original somebody you are referring to
:)
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ZaR is harder
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it's difficult for the sake of being difficult
also masochism is a thing
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it's difficult for the sake of being difficult
also masochism is a thing
See there's the thing though, Dark Souls isn't even difficult to learn.
I finished Dark Souls in less than a week(not 100%, just mandatory bosses), it took me longer to master the rope well enough to finish just basic training, and takes much, much longer to compete at the top level in any roping scheme. Granted, I sit and played games for like 10 hours a day every day back then lol.
And that's just Ninja Rope... All the different schemes, weapons, maps and combinations of all these would take way, way longer to master than all the Dark Souls games combined, i'd bet my life on that.
Dark Souls is for sure more challenging than the average game to memorize the patterns, because that's all it is, patterns and beautiful visuals with amazing sound. Speed runs are brilliant to watch that's where the real skill is in my opinion.
I'd say the top level of pretty much any game takes about the same amount of effort from anyone, because they all seem to dedicate the same amount of crazy hours and practise to get there, but that still doesn't make it hard if you are having fun.
My mentality is that nothing in this game or any other game is hard to learn, if you have the passion and the time it will come naturally over time, that doesn't make it hard, it's just time consuming.
Two of my favourite quotes in life:
"If you're not having fun then it's not worth doing"
"If something is 'too hard', then you would rather be doing something else"
Every single scheme in this game is easy to learn if you dedicate enough time and enjoy doing it with a burning passion, not just "Ooo, this is fun", i'm talking about constantly thinking about it night and day, having dreams. Skills will come naturally with time and practise, that's a fact.
All the best players i've ever seen in anything don't just practise, they always raise the bar, look at people like Dario and Mablak and their burning passion/addiction not to mention fascination for the game. They didn't just get good, they took it to the next level, guys like Dario and Mablak spent time learning how the game actually works, they learned the foundations then experimented, tested, memorized and shared that information which in turn made it possible for everyone to get even better.
You don't do that kind of thing if it isn't fun, if it's too hard.
zar, w2, classic roper are all easy very simple to understand and learn, it's a matter of improving your motor skills and cognitive abilities which is a simple matter of practise and time.
If you think either is more difficult then you are simply stroking your own ego.
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If a person truly believe that anyone can master anything in high difficulty, then yes, it will become easy. This is why, video game have different difficulty settings from Easy to Expert, in which the ladder ZaR Roper stands as the most difficult of Roper, & W2roper. However, another definition can be made for example: If a less skilled person goes up against a skilled person, it will be harder by default, that holds true for any scheme.
It is only natural of a person to seek hardest challenge by upping the difficulty by choosing something more intense. In which where ZaR Roper is, with its 12 seconds turn time, 5 seconds retreat, bazooka handling, creative surgical bazooka shots made in mere seconds, and, mine & destructed terrain maneuvering. Of course, you have more to work with in Roper, but someone said that mine and grenade makes it easier to plant and deal damage, and it seems to be preferred choice by any players. ZaR, has a greater yield than Roper, and the community is a testament to that, because ZaR is both fun and rewarding.
I am proud to have been able to build great community, and I am thankful for everyone involved as member and nonmember. I think ZaR community, have made small to big Impact for all players of WA, hopefully for the best, and seen as serious business when it comes to roping. It's just a shame that a particular group of people targets one particular person to undermine ZaR's accomplishment & relevance to Worms Armageddon. Worms Armageddon is small community, we should only be so lucky that there are people active, actively trying to make good environment for people.
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Who cares
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-> They say Kradie is the troll
-> Komito outright does a personal attack without provocation disguised as a thread
What the hell?
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-> Komito outright does a personal attack without provocation disguised as a thread
Did you even bother to read the very first sentence of the opening post here?
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Did you even bother to read the very first sentence of the opening post here?
And why wouldn't I...? Though it has nothing to do with how I disagree on the way its done.
What am I missing?
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I see a choice of 3 things then:
You don't understand what the word provocation means as you used it assuming nothing was provocative.
You didn't bother to look to see what the provocative information was.
You saw the provocative information and didn't realize why it's provocative.
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Meh.
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> New member with 3 posts, all in this thread
> Immediately defending Kradie
You might want to slow down there, you're gonna run out of socks at this rate!
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> New member with 3 posts, all in this thread
> Immediately defending Kradie
You might want to slow down there, you're gonna run out of socks at this rate!
Ah I see where you're going. And I see what happens now. It's all about Kradie!!
Anyways, here's my old account, I lost the login details lol: https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/lolicon-guy/
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The purpose of this thread is to explain why zar is not more difficult than classic roper, is it certainly not about that person, it's about the schemes.
The reason why this thread was made is to counter the other thread that was made with a subjective title:
"ZaR Roper harder than Roper?"
Notice it doesn't ask "Which scheme is harder?". Notice there are only 2 options? You can either agree zar is harder or simply select no, there is no option if you think classic roper is more difficult than zar roper, there is no option if you feel they are all the same difficulty. It is a psychological trick to attempt to make one seem more important than the other.
Kind of like how Eric Cartman tries to get Butters to vote for Turd Sandwich in the episode "Douche and Turd" by asking which is better. He starts off by saying in a dull tone of voice hinting boredom, "Butters, which is funnier, a stupid not funny giant douche...", then switches to an energetic exciting tone of voice saying "Or a super funny turd sandwich!".
It's that kind of manipulative nonsense I feel I have to oppose.
This is not a direct attack on that person, i've even said it's a good scheme. My intention was not to talk about that person but someone asked me why bother with such things anyway, which was then explained using events which happened in the past as as example of why I feel the need to defend something like this.
Specific words like "ignorant" and "disrespectful" were used, then evidence shown exactly why those words were used to describe the actions by that person. Their name was even avoided being used apart from the quotes which had to be used then a direct link to the thread to show i'm not making things up or lying.
Sure, maybe no one else cares, maybe other people look at me as a sad old nerd who spent too much time in this game.
22 years of my life that i'm proud of have been spent in this game, preserving history as well as teaching potential fans of the game the truth are very important to me and I'm proud of that regardless what anyone thinks about me.
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Notice it doesn't ask "Which scheme is harder?". Notice there are only 2 options? You can either agree zar is harder or simply select no, there is no option if you think classic roper is more difficult than zar roper, there is no option if you feel they are all the same difficulty. It is a psychological trick to attempt to make one seem more important than the other.
I wouldn't want to brag about what I do and don't study or know- ...I think it's just some sort of... publicity stunt? A very basic one by the way, like openly patting oneself on the back. Reminds me a bit of the older times, UISx Clan would add a spambot for their site into #AG, and I was running xTBx at the time so I copied them, there goes a long story... Anyways, no I don't defend ads lol, but if pedantry was required, "zar roper" sounds like, well, an edited roper scheme :V
Critizing ours and theirs actions is fine (advertising has never before manipulated its public THIS MUCH, it's out of hand man), but considering earlier responses and most especially Squirminator's... I can't help but feel it's actually personal, and everyone's willing to defend this thread while pretending it's not the case, maybe pulling some advocate-level technique or something. Couldn't have worded this any better:
It's that kind of manipulative nonsense I feel I have to oppose
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If it was personal then the subject would be entirely personality based. The subject and majority of my posts here have been discussing the differences and reasons for comparisons and similarities between the schemes.
Also, if it was personal don't you think i'd personally respond to that persons posts(under their usual identity)?
I'd rather you talk about the actual subject if possible please, i'd prefer not to discuss personalities and personal feelings towards others further. I've explained my reasons and intentions so shouldn't have to any further.
I'm happy to debate about these schemes if you have any useful information or alternative perspectives.
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Hm... You know what? Have a good day.
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Hey Komo, first I'll make it clear: I didn't read at all.
But why bother with Kradie and his zar copy schemes bro? Even if you are right, it's useless to prove.
His scheme is not as popular as he makes it appear to be when posting here.
As quote by @FoxHound earlier in some topic, it's just fake news + conspiracies, maybe that's why it annoys us so much, so obvious that he's overestimating the scheme that they doesn't even try to hide it anymore lol. The guy is a full time character.
And remember: A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
- Kid Bengala
Nothing personal Kradie, I'll play ZaR when I'm in the mood. Cya. 8)
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Hey Komo, first I'll make it clear: I didn't read at all.
But why bother with Kradie and his zar copy schemes bro? Even if you are right, it's useless to prove.
Well that's fair enough you didn't read it lol, however if you really want to know the answer to that, you'll just have to suck it up and read it! :D :P
And remember: A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
- Kid Bengala
So, that's a very interesting quote, I remember reading about it some years ago, a quick google search shows this article here with some information on it:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth
Not that i'm fond of the BBC, then that's another story for another day lol.
The quote itself is false in the sense nothing that is not true by universal laws can become true by universal laws, according to our current understanding collectively. However, the illusion of truth can be used as a weapon to convince and influence people to believe and support things which are not in reality actually true.
It is a psychological effect i've paid great attention to, as well as things like mob mentality, how to identify and prepare against it. Strength in numbers is a popular philosophy which is very powerful to a certain extent when talking about things like violence and war, however when it comes to conversation alone, knowledge is power when backed up with evidence so simple to understand that even the most simple minds are able to understand.
That quote alone, is a simplified reason to explain why I bother.
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derailing af
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derailing af
If this is aimed at my previous post, it is not derailing the topic as it is explaining psychological reasons and techniques behind conversations like this. Since you didn't even bother to specify why you said that, who it is aimed at and which post, then it is assumed to be aimed at my previous post unless told otherwise.
This thread was made to literally counter such techniques, explaining these things is important so people can better understand the why and how.
For those with a thirst for information, those who are passionate about this game and have an interest in learning, to discuss these things can give insight into what people do and some reasons why they do it.
Posting "derailing af" is ironically derailing, as that provides absolutely no useful or even relative information towards the actual subject at all.
The choice to stay away is always available if you don't want to take this seriously.
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When a group of people or person suggest that I could ever be bothered to make multiple accounts to further my case, the chances that they are more likely to do it. It is inconceivable for me to do such deceitful act.
What's even more inconceivable, is the fact that it is being suggested that I am spreading false Information in regards to ZaR is being a more difficult than Roper. I simply state that ZaR is tougher than Roper, and that anyone can make up their own mind. If they wish to discuss it, I will provide reasons as to why I think ZaR is tougher. This whole ZaR vs Roper business has nothing to do with conspiracy theory. I mean like what the actual quack? It is laughable.
Also, I do believe I asked the question ''What's your thought? Is ZaR Roper harder than Roper?''
I could had asked ''Is Dark Souls harder than Super Mario Brothers (For nes).
There are NONE psychological motives here. I mean, to suggest such thing, must mean it is a conspiracy LOL. :D
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Both are equally easy/hard. It doesn't matter which is technically harder because you will apply your mastery of roping in both equally. It's like Big TTRR vs. regular TTRR, you want to go as fast as possible in both, so they are equally hard. Are you purposely roping worse in ZaR or Roper? No. The maps are even very similar, so the difference is minor. In both modes you avoid falling because it costs time and back in the days even in roper you would lose your turn with 1,2,3 fall damage (chute didn't open there).
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you guys have way too much time...
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you guys have way too much time...
You ppl getting really bored..
You boys are surely wasting time by now.
I think you guys are capable of finding ultimate answer, in few more posts.
Stop living in a bubble and let us enjoy tus silence, rather than 2-3 stupid threads every week.
You don't give the green light around here.
You're right. I'm only here to give red lights to decrease annoyance level.
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yea, nice collection of senseis posts from the last 2 years *yawn*
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for the sake of clarity, i can confirm firerat as a real person (have known him for years (more than 10), he's also terrible at answering the phone)
if you read this firerat, damn you!
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I don't like ZaR roper personally but that isn't because the scheme is bad per se, but rather I also think that old school roper is boring these days. I loved it for many years and played more games of it than I could possibly recall, but as I continued along my wormy path I came to realize that I simply prefer other roping schemes. IMO, WxW on a challenging map and hp crates instead of weapon crates is more fun - even if it's zooks only. (Although I'm unhappy without drills!) Roper is fine and all but the crate luck and wind luck is completely bogus sometimes. These days I primarily play Big RR because there's no luck involved whatsoever. I don't mind playing Big RR with no chutes either, but adding a weapon(s) in RR? No. Absolutely not.
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I don't like ZaR roper personally but that isn't because the scheme is bad per se, but rather I also think that old school roper is boring these days. I loved it for many years and played more games of it than I could possibly recall, but as I continued along my wormy path I came to realize that I simply prefer other roping schemes. IMO, WxW on a challenging map and hp crates instead of weapon crates is more fun - even if it's zooks only. (Although I'm unhappy without drills!) Roper is fine and all but the crate luck and wind luck is completely bogus sometimes. These days I primarily play Big RR because there's no luck involved whatsoever. I don't mind playing Big RR with no chutes either, but adding a weapon(s) in RR? No. Absolutely not.
facts. Big RR/WxW are the most challenging/fun rope schemes... i'd say TTRR as well on a somewhat difficult map... i always struggled to keep steady arrow control on a tight TTRR map. ropers are fun but they are cr8 luck based big time for the most part, but being able to pull off runs with a hard cr8 or bad wind is pro asf.... they are still OG though just like BnG. any rope scheme i enjoy tbh unless it's a "shoppa" lol. i'm with skunk on that one, i'm not a fan of ZaR roper myself and i'm not putting down the scheme either, just don't dig it. i sure do miss the days of when hashtag Ropers Heaven was packed with wormers, not Anything Goes. oh wellz...
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I don't like ZaR roper personally but that isn't because the scheme is bad per se, but rather I also think that old school roper is boring these days. I loved it for many years and played more games of it than I could possibly recall, but as I continued along my wormy path I came to realize that I simply prefer other roping schemes. IMO, WxW on a challenging map and hp crates instead of weapon crates is more fun - even if it's zooks only. (Although I'm unhappy without drills!) Roper is fine and all but the crate luck and wind luck is completely bogus sometimes. These days I primarily play Big RR because there's no luck involved whatsoever. I don't mind playing Big RR with no chutes either, but adding a weapon(s) in RR? No. Absolutely not.
facts. Big RR/WxW are the most challenging/fun rope schemes... i'd say TTRR as well on a somewhat difficult map... i always struggled to keep steady arrow control on a tight TTRR map. ropers are fun but they are cr8 luck based big time for the most part, but being able to pull off runs with a hard cr8 or bad wind is pro asf.... they are still OG though just like BnG. any rope scheme i enjoy tbh unless it's a "shoppa" lol. i'm with skunk on that one, i'm not a fan of ZaR roper myself and i'm not putting down the scheme either, just don't dig it. i sure do miss the days of when hashtag Ropers Heaven was packed with wormers, not Anything Goes. oh wellz...
I am mediocre as f@#! when it comes to TTRR. I am super consistent but just not fast enough to hang with the fast guys from years ago. There's also really little point in even practicing TTRR anymore because there's not much of a individual or clanner ranked scene anymore. It's been probably at least a year since I've seen a TTRR hosted in AG. I also simply prefer Big RR because it doesn't come down to having one good turn, but rather many good turns. I always thought that it sucked that I could finish all 3 of my worms and lose to a guy who plopped 2 and finished 1 with a slightly better time. TTRR is definitely an extremely challenging scheme to master and kudos to the people who are amazing at it, but Big RR is my jam.