tomorrow we finish your pick! afternoon or late night time is ok for me ~

btw: are there any rules on the site/within the league about having the freedom to pick wkterrains? can someone force you to pick standard terrains only, even if its not their pick? what about converting maps to PNG, so you can seed full objects on the map? when it's your pick you can pick any terrains and convert it to PNG, nope?

I'm not talking about the maps in general, nor their shape, only asking about the terrains and converting/not converting them

Quote from: Lupastic on April 25, 2024, 12:47 AM
btw: are there any rules on the site/within the league about having the freedom to pick wkterrains? can someone force you to pick standard terrains only, even if its not their pick? what about converting maps to PNG, so you can seed full objects on the map? when it's your pick you can pick any terrains and convert it to PNG, nope?

I'm not talking about the maps in general, nor their shape, only asking about the terrains and converting/not converting them

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Both players/clans need to agree on the map.

I've told you this before and I'm not sure why you don't believe me when it's directly from this page:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/basic-info/#107

^^ Section 4 under 'Proceeding'.

This means you can refuse any map you want for many reasons, including, but not limited to:

It's too complex. It's too simple. It's custom terrain. It's PnG converted. It's too big. It's too small. It's uneven. It's biased. You know they've played it before. You just don't like how it looks...

Yes, you can play with custom terrains if both players/clans/parties are happy, but if someone says no, then just change it and find something you're both happy with.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 25, 2024, 01:18 AM

Quote from: Lupastic on April 25, 2024, 12:47 AM
btw: are there any rules on the site/within the league about having the freedom to pick wkterrains? can someone force you to pick standard terrains only, even if its not their pick? what about converting maps to PNG, so you can seed full objects on the map? when it's your pick you can pick any terrains and convert it to PNG, nope?

I'm not talking about the maps in general, nor their shape, only asking about the terrains and converting/not converting them

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Both players/clans need to agree on the map.

I've told you this before and I'm not sure why you don't believe me when it's directly from this page:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/basic-info/#107

^^ Section 4 under 'Proceeding'.

This means you can refuse any map you want for many reasons, including, but not limited to:

It's too complex. It's too simple. It's custom terrain. It's PnG converted. It's too big. It's too small. It's uneven. It's biased. You know they've played it before. You just don't like how it looks...

Yes, you can play with custom terrains if both players/clans/parties are happy, but if someone says no, then just change it and find something you're both happy with.

what you linked there doesn't answer the questions though.. neither the terrains, nor converting to PNG is mentioned there, that's why I asked here.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 25, 2024, 01:18 AM
This means you can refuse any map you want for many reasons, including, but not limited to:

It's too complex. It's too simple. It's custom terrain. It's PnG converted. It's too big. It's too small. It's uneven. It's biased. You know they've played it before. You just don't like how it looks...

Yes, you can play with custom terrains if both players/clans/parties are happy, but if someone says no, then just change it and find something you're both happy with.

^ this is the part I was asking about, but I don't see it anywhere where the wkterrain or converting is mentioned in the league info..  and what if the picker of the scheme changes it twice or even thrice, but the other player still complains and wants wkterrains to be banned and not used? does the one have the right to ask for it? ;s this is not mentioned anywhere. doesn't the original picker of the scheme decide if they wanna use wkterrains or not, convert it to PNG or not? since u cannot beg for it forever to be changed again and again.. sure if someone has problems with the map size, shape, format etc, that can be discussed. but wkterrains do have freedom to be picked I guess - at least that's what I thought so far. and I have never seen anyone asking not to convert the map to PNG, and manually place 100% objects on the map beforehand.. this only helps the map to be better quality. and that is not called mutually agreeing to something, it's called one player complains as long as the other changes it to sth suitable.. but my original question is: is this even legit, as one player is not the picker of the scheme?

Quote from: Lupastic on April 25, 2024, 01:40 AM
what you linked there doesn't answer the questions though.. neither the terrains, nor converting to PNG is mentioned there, that's why I asked here.

It does answer the question Lupastic, it says specifically, "Both players/clans need to agree on the map.".

I'm not sure if you're aware but that means you can disagree for any reason, it means if they don't all agree on the map, then you can't use it, period. Regardless how the map is made, whether you made it, whether someone else made it.

I don't see why you don't understand this? The way it's written covers ANY reason to refuse a map. Which is why I said when we pick TTRR you can request a different map, something that you feel comfortable playing on, and that I'd rather not pick TTRR anyway since Zalo doesn't like it, but we were trying to save time.

You said Bo1 at first anyway, then changed your mind... I've openly stated I hate playing Bo3 games but I had no problem doing it for your clanner since you were in a rush anyway.

Then Zalo had to go anyway and we didn't get to play ours LOL! Which is fine by me we can play again later, it was a little annoying but stuff like this happens and we'll see you another day it's ok.

Quote from: Lupastic on April 25, 2024, 01:40 AM
doesn't the original picker of the scheme decide if they wanna use wkterrains or not, convert it to PNG or not? since u cannot beg for it forever to be changed again and again.. sure if someone has problems with the map size, shape, format etc, that can be discussed. but wkterrains do have freedom to be picked I guess - at least that's what I thought so far. and I have never seen anyone asking not to convert the map to PNG, and manually place 100% objects on the map beforehand.. this only helps the map to be better quality. and that is not called mutually agreeing to something, it's called one player complains as long as the other changes it to sth suitable.. but my original question is: is this even legit, as one player is not the picker of the scheme?

Well for starters, custom terrains are not part of the official game, you need a module to use them, you cannot force people to use things which aren't even features of the standard game.

At least you have the option to use them with other people who like using them.

As for PNG maps, my personal reason for refusing to use PNG maps that have been converted like this is because the background has weird colours and changes how the destroyed soil is displayed on screen when you use the background that I use.

I've been playing default schemes the exact same way for over 20 years using the exact same background, that's what my eyes are used to, that's how I'm used to judging destroyed soil for pixel perfect shots and bounces. Then people started using this background in BnGs and it was affecting some of my shots because I couldn't see things the way they used to be and it was offputting to me I couldn't get used to it. So I stopped playing them.

Now, I cannot remember this word for word but Sensei said he likes using PNG only when he plays BnG and other schemes because it helps him see the destroyed soil better. So clearly there are people who have issues either way. It's a shame we can't have both, so you can use PNG map and I can see it as normal.

Anyway, those 2 issues that I have with custom terrains and PNG converted maps are issues that not everyone has, which is why it's optional to agree or disagree on the map. The point is that, if anyone isn't happy with the map choice, they have the right to refuse to play.

Now, if it's 2 fresh picks and you have first pick and you have 1 scheme and 1 map in mind to play and someone refuses, then you can just abandon the match and play someone else. If you've already played their pick, and then they refuse your map, if you aren't happy you can report a free win make a complaint I guess. Though if your opponent has a valid reason for refusing the map then it's likely you will have to pick another map and play the match anyway.